FEAR is haunting the left
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- In this video, we will take a look at the dialectics of fear and security, and how fear and distrust are used to divide the working class and bolster the position of capitalists.
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What are YOU afraid of?
The future
Not seeing the end of capitalism in my lifetime
Capitalism, Fascism, and the contradictions that arise from them, like climate denialism.
Eco-facist
not finding a way to be happy under capitalism :( it doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon
"Capitalism", "Imperialism" and "Fascism" are by far the scariest horror films of all time. No other trilogy even comes close
Feudalism, and communism are worse.
@@acousticmario6109 yeah man, remember that time Stalin and king George the fifth started a world War.
@@acousticmario6109 feudalism was worse. Communism has never occurred in the modern era.
@@franglish9265 To be fair, I'm not sure which is worse between Fascism and Feudalism. Probably fascism, in my eyes? But its difficult to measure "evil" on any objective scale anyhow, in terms of how "bad" it is.
@@franglish9265 Feudalism evolved into Capitalism when the nobility ran to the rich merchants in their bid for continued power. Our feudal lords are the billionaires.
I'm terrified of how great your videos have been recently.
😱spooooky solidarity❤
truth. I didn't want this video to stop!
My father used to say "varas varasta pelkää", which literally mean "thief is afraid of thief", but what it really means, is that people who do wrong against others, are afraid that other people do to them as they did... Kind of projection, if you end up blaming others... (White afraid of genocide, or men afraid of gay men (afraid that there would be men, who would threat them, as they threat women..), etc...)..
Wise father!!
@@NonCompete He had many other similar sayings. Other he used in context of politics (=after watching news) was "ei korppi korpin silmää noki", which means "raven won't peck raven's eye". What he meant, is that corrupted people, people who benefit from other people's problems or miserables, they wont be hostile against each others. They will find way to agree and compromise with each others.
@@fallenswan1670 Aye, my father had a couple of pretty relevant gems to offer, too.
They weren't so succinct, though.
One was mostly for spiders, but I found it very useful for understanding power dynamics and fear of retaliation. "They're more scared of you, than you are of them"
Basically I might fear the pain of a spider bite, but the spider fears death and will only bite me if I make it. Oppressed groups are more afraid of the violence of the hegemony than the hegemony could ever be of the violence of the oppressed, but the violence of the oppressed is in defence of their lives, and rarely does more than hurt enough to convince you to leave them alone.
@@fallenswan1670 That and "predators will always seek to protect themselves and gain access to easy prey." in the context of why hierarchy must always be held in question.
He's not great politically, but sometimes he really hit the nail on the head. Just need to convince him to stop being generally a useful idiot for fascism 😩
The thing about false consciousness is that nuance is discouraged, and unnuanced statistics can be twisted to back up all it's arguments.
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Thanks for spreading the awareness, Emerican and Luna!
You are doing the tough task of educating the irrationally scared!
Much love!
The dehumanisation aspect you spoke about here, EJ, reminded me of ThatDangDad's video, where he talked about being a cop, & the manner in which they spoke about the people they came into contact with...
Most cops in my view are predatory subhuman barbaric savages mentally if not physically, with co-occuring raging sociopathy, so that most certainly never surprises me. I'd be surprised if they didn't speak in derogatory ways regarding ANYONE of color, or who isn't themselves. Something like one out of every four Pigs commits repreated DV.
PDs are human cesspools and homing beacons for the amoral and functionally illiterate and the anti-social true-scum™️ worst dregs of humanity.
Like I always say, the only good role for MOST cops is in the graveyard, the hospital, the prison yard, or the unemployment line.
I'm a transwoman who is in the tech field and I can say without question that being in tech is very much an interesting experience. For me to get a job just being a woman was unbelievably hard and I have to be better at my job than basically everyone else. They keep me around just because they get bonus points for "Diversity" in the work place but the moment they find a cis white dude who can do my job I'm going to be yeeted for "Under performing" even though my metrics are always higher than all but one of my co-workers who is also a minority worker. There is someone on our team that constantly says stuff like "Never ask a female how she's doing, she'll talk your ear off" etc etc.
It's almost impossible for me to move to a new position because unless there is a need for a minority to make that team "Look better", and those positions will not have any power, I can assure you of that.
I've also heard that I have it pretty good compared to most women especially transwomen in the tech field. I've heard of repeated sexual harassment in what is essentially a "Frat boy" mentality. Most of my co-workers are decent people, it's really just the one in our small team.
I can say without a doubt that I would like to unionize and would like to raise class consciousness, but I cannot think of anyway to do this easily. You get stuck, while I recognize that there is no safety here, I cannot get easily make any moves without being replicable. It's especially hard for someone like me because I don't have anyone to fall back on. I'm ultimately alone, by myself, I survive or I end up homeless again. I can live frugally but the ultimate truth is that I feel like there isn't much that can be done. To be frank, I feel like I'm one of the lucky ones. Yeah there are others who didn't have to experience what I have, and I'm not just talking about homelessness, but at least I can afford to eat, at least I have a place to stay, and while it might not be perfect, and it's always at risk, this is where I am now.
But this leads me to my question. What would you suggest I do comrades? Can I do anything given my current position? What steps need to be taken if so?
Hey, thanks for sharing your experiences, I think that's very important and the more people in situations like yours who do the better!
I don't have a ton of specific info but my general advice is to seek comrades. Perhaps, for one thing, there is a trans org you can join. Perhaps if there are any other trans folks in your org you can start some kind of secondary power structure with them, or you can start something like an (at least at first) informal women's committee.
You should also join IWW, if only for the training and solidarity they give you. You don't have to disclose membership to your employer.
Stay safe, and solidarity!
@@annaclarafenyo8185 In general, trans-women are more discriminated against than cis-women. Though I don't know about the tech field specifically, I can say from experience that me being hired depends on how well I pass.
I can pass pretty well when I try, but the few interviews I didn't try to pass I was not hired even though I did perfectly well on all tasks and was one of the only people qualified for the position.
The interview where I did pass I was hired so...
@@cyansius3950 Just a heads up, I think you made a typo at the end of your first sentence :) might wanna edit
@@mikkykyluc5804 Sorry, what was the typo? I wrote my comment after waking up and watching the video.
@@NonCompete Hey, thanks for the advice. I might try the IWW route as I am pretty sure that in my current job state due to covid, I don't think I can safely create a secondary power structure without it getting found out immediately. (They watch everything we type on our work laptops.)
What kind of training does the IWW have?
I already didn't think much of Destiny after watching the debate you had with him a few years back, but saying, "The riots need to end!" because someone broke a window at Starbucks is so stupid it takes my breath away. It's like getting mad at the Rebel Alliance after the battle of Yavin IV because they destroyed the Death Star.
Destiny has a consistent moral principle that property should always be defended, violent means if necessary.
My stance is that only PERSONAL property should be defended if it is necessary to life, i.e. food pantry items and car to drive to work in the US.
@@james_chatman True. Liberals believe in property rights so much they support reactionary violence if they deem it necessary to defend it.
@jstevinik3261 :: Yes ! Your point is right-on ! The Founders of the United States understood your message well.
Been watching you and Luna for a while now; love when you go “my wife Luna” 🥰
they're such a cute couple
@@daniel6678 goals, i swear
"Tightly packed holes"
Everyone else: 😳😳😳😳😳
Me: 😏
I am deeply concerned about liberals nowadays. They seem to have the same talking points as rightwingers just 4 years ago. This country is moving towards fascism and rapidly so. That is truly terrifying.
I have literally never been afraid of "reprisal" from POC or anyone, even way back in my shitlib days, because reprisal is a stupid idea that can only come from a highly ignorant mind conditioned into zero-sum thinking. As a trans person, I don't want cis people to suffer; I want them to stop hurting me so we can peacefully coexist. Hurting them as retaliation would just keep the cycle of violence going. (Besides, some of my best friends are cis!)
Many people in in-groups, it seems, are so incapable of imagining an egalitarian relationship between their group and a marginalized group, they can only project their own assumptions onto what people in the marginalized group want. Many anti-feminists fear feminism because they mistake it for some kind of bid at female supremacy, whereas in reality what feminists (usually) want is fairness, for feminism to be obviated, for the attitudes that lead to such us-them mentalities to go away.
When I was a kid, my mom recorded an episode of Oprah with Jane Elliot. She conducted the experiment with the audience & the brown eyed white people LOST THEIR SHIT!! When Oprah & Ms Elliott explained what was going on, the look of amazement on these people's faces was unreal. To see grownups not understand what was happening until the end was striking. As well as disheartening. I highly recommend looking it up. Great video EJ. Happy Halloween
(I forgot to say it was my mother who recorded it)
big ups for not putting up a pic for trypophobia. usually the creator will just throw the damn thing huge on the screen
Ikr! I'm not phobic of such images but they are nasty as hell lol
The intro made me think of good ol' Phil Ochs:
"I love puerto ricans and negros
As long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, i'm a liberal"
Many people like the idea of, let's call it diversity, but only do so from a distance and only within their own class.
Potent. Thank you for sharing!
Its like a line in a film I heard once tho now I can't remember the name of it, from a Black protagonist (I think it was played by Queen Latifah): "in the South they don't care how close you get so long as you never get too high; and in the North they don't care how high you get just as long as you don't get too close"
An incisive skewering of the differences of functional prejudice culture as passed down amongst the dominant W populations across the regional spectrum. Different ways of exemplifying the self-same old race prejudice.
My cat hunts cockroaches. She lies flat, watches them crawl in front of her… then pow. She slams it into wall like an ice hockey puck. It’s awesome. Don’t see roaches in my house much anymore…
lolol that's legit something I miss about having cats!
😂😂 I've had cats all my life but they've never done that. My god they can be such good murder machines 😂
I really like that talk in the middle
There is a difference about being in a country ---- and being in a country as the oppressors
We'd have less hate towards seeing certain faces in our communities if we didn't see/know they were there to leech off us and live well while we starve
Thank you for this video. And thank you for talking to our situation here in South Africa as well. Nobody as far as I can tell wants to kick white people out entirely. All we want is liberation from racialized capitalism and proper decolonization. The masses are very divided at this point though and your point on class solidarity gives me a lot to think about. But I will say that socialism is a really popular idea among even young leftists. You wouldn't tell that if you just looked at South African media alone. Thank you!
At the end of the day, I think most colonised people just want equal footing and their sovereignty protected. Like in Australia we mostly just want a proper say in government (which we're getting soon I think, the new PM-as of last night- has said he wants to honour our people's request for a voice to parliament so we can have a say for ourselves and rights over important lands to us. That's really the common wants among communities of Aboriginal people. That and some restorative justice. Get the Aboriginal people who were dumped in the city centres at the end of slavery (in the 1970s, far later than most places) some land and properties and compensate them for the extreme exploitation they experienced just one generation ago. Stuff like that.
Amazing work comrade, truly inspirational!!
i love your fish. the world needs anarcho-fishies to take on those damn illinois nazis.
"Tightly-packed holes," huh? Does this include Congress? Seems perfectly reasonable to be afraid of those, um, fine people.
I like me some tightly packed holes :p
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
“Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall” - A Day In The Life by The Beatles
Thank you for speaking on the mistrust that black people have for white people and not downplaying it, especially in regards to recent events that I really do hope doesn't effect you too negatively. As a black viewer of leftist content you are one of the few white content creators I still follow and sub too the rest especially Kevin and Vaush you showed I left behind after they showed their ass on how they felt about people like me which happens way too often in leftist spaces. And it seems it only became worse for Kevin. Which again isn't surprising to me because as I've gotten older I've noticed a lot of white people never properly confront their fear of minorities which is why we got stuck with so many white centric conversations that led to this fear resurfacing.
Anyways sorry for this long paragraph so I'll end it with a Happy Halloween to all of you.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Oh shut up. The clip is even in the video showing Vaush is being a complete baby and screaming about a hypothetical ethnic cleansing that most likely will never happen. Go touch grass and stop defending white men who don't care about you.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Vaush’s point was clear to an objective listener. To a biased (possibly bigoted) listener…not so much. If you notice it’s Vaush himself who gets attacked, never his argument.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Yeah like me so buzz off!! 😝
@@annaclarafenyo8185 The problem is that Vaush's hypothetical was about the colonized using genocide as a method to decolonize themselves, which a very specific scenario that is almost unprecedented. The idea of the hypothetical plays into conceptual Fear of Retribution however that colonizers often had, the sorta idea that if they lost power the people they oppressed would want revenge, operating under the idea that that conception wasnt just a paranoid fear but an ever present reality this lead to literal massacres (Jallianwala Bagh massacre in India is a good example) because any challenge to colonial rule, even peaceful protest, was seen as an exististental threat. In the modern context you'll often hear Israelis cite a similar concept as justification for trying to wipe Palestine off the map. The concept of genocide isn't an idea that should be enetertained on the left, but its also a topic that needs to be handled responsibly
And that's also why Rwanda/Uganda don't actually fit that well as examples, unless your boiling it down to basic race essentialism like "see black people shouldn't make decisions on anything because these black people done did the genocide", because the genocides were in the 70s and 90s, but the nations were decolonized in the 60s. Like for this to fit in the context of decolonization you'd need to argue that colonization was good and that black people shouldn't get to rule themselves, which would he racist, and that's kinda the point.
If it isn’t acceptable for white people to distrust minorities, then why is it acceptable for minorities to distrust white people? EDIT: nevermind I understand.
fear is the mind killer
You and Luna are some of my favourite Commie content creators out there
As a native person, thank you for speaking up about this. It has honestly been making me deeply uncomfortable in (white) leftist spaces to see so much anti-native rhetoric but it feels like no one really speaks up about it to the point these spaces can be actively racist.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 The Rwandan genocide was not committed against the former European colonizers in fact it was instigated by them, the colonizers used a divide and conquer strategy against the native ethnic groups and pitted them against each other as they always do in order to more easily be able to control them. They placed a minority in power over the majority and stoked ethnic hatreds, as they also did in places like Myanmar and countless others, a state of affairs specifically designed to prevent de-colonization movements from emerging and succeeding. The resulting ethnic violence was a direct continuation of the colonial violence inflicted on the native people by the Europeans.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Vaush is a white supremacist, a transmisogynist, and an ableist. He is not a leftist he is a liberal and a racist, his disdain and hatred of every existing socialist country (all of which are non-white) proves this.
@@transsylvanian9100 I FOUND THE TANKY
@@transsylvanian9100 Uh oh the libs are out! Vaush is a spook for sure. Lenin said it best, (bad paraphrase incoming) they either don’t know what they are talking about or they are agitators meant to confuse, either one is damaging to the revolution.
@@freelance_commie Exactly right.
Hey, this is a really good video, thanks for making it! I've felt really uncomfortable for a while with the "proletarian patriot" types for a while but I've been struggling to put it into words as to why, and this really helped me figure out what the deal was.
I love that you guys use different structures to share these important messages. You're one of my fave channels!
14:11 from a global south perspective, I struggle to grasp the bad blood between communists and anarchists.
17:56 what capitalism gives it takes away. I remember entering the job market back in 2007, the following year all of our jobs were at stake and pay was late. Of course making less.
Yup... some of it could be ruses to confuse people observing?
Some people believe that Marxism and anarchism are based on the same principles and that the disagreements between them concern only tactics, so that, in the opinion of these people, it is quite impossible to draw a contrast between these two trends.
This is a great mistake.
We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies. Therefore, it is necessary to examine the "doctrine" of the Anarchists from beginning to end and weigh it up thoroughly from all aspects.
The point is that Marxism and anarchism are built up on entirely different principles, in spite of the fact that both come into the arena of the struggle under the flag of socialism. The cornerstone of anarchism is the individual, whose emancipation, according to its tenets, is the principal condition for the emancipation of the masses, the collective body. According to the tenets of anarchism, the emancipation of the masses is impossible until the individual is emancipated. Accordingly, its slogan is: "Everything for the individual." The cornerstone of Marxism, however, is the masses, whose emancipation, according to its tenets, is the principal condition for the emancipation of the individual. That is to say, according to the tenets of Marxism, the emancipation of the individual is impossible until the masses are emancipated. Accordingly, its slogan is: "Everything for the masses."
-Stalin, Anarchism or Socialism?
@@EggEnjoyer @CrunchyWolf the term "tankie" was invented by other Marxists and was created to describe members of the communist party in the UK who supported the crushing of the Hungarian revolution by the USSR (with tanks, hence the term).
The claim that anarchists call all Marxists "red fash" is a strawman. Anarchists (and other communists, see above) level such claims at a particular brand of authoritarian socialism that celebrates highly oppressive regime while ignoring, or even justifying, human rights abuses. See, for example, the kinds of people who are trying to whitewash China's treatment of Muslims.
As for the whole "giving liberals a new talking point", I hear this a lot but I've yet to see any actual liberals use 'tankie'. They usually prefer just 'communist/socialist' and can't really tell the difference between the many different schools of leftist thought
@@supermichelangelo5763 that's a whole lot of words for "I have no idea what anarchism is".
@@SpoopySquid First of all, calling it "the Hungarian revolution" is inherently dishonest and deceptive, it was not a revolution but the precise opposite, a counter-revolution and attempted fascist coup. The groups involved were literally openly pushing anti-semitic fascistic talking points and very much anti-communist and pro-liberalization. They attempted to destroy the socialist economy and essentially do what Gorbachev would eventually do to the Soviet Union which destroyed it and left its people in utter ruin and devastation for the next decade and more. The reaction from the Soviet Union was entirely justified, and in fact the world would be a better place today if they had done the same to the other so-called "revolutions" in eastern Europe that happened in '89...
And by the way, i despite Khrushchev, i think he was also a revisionist, a murder and a filthy liar who himself usurped power in a coup when it should have been Beria, a true communist and loyal to the revolution, who took up the leadership mantle of the CPSU. Khrushchev was the start of the process that led to Gorbachev destroying socialism, but nevertheless the action that the Soviets took in regards to crushing the Hungarian reaction in the 1950s was correct.
As for anarchists, they literally spread CIA and State Department propaganda talking points about socialist states (much the same as Trotskyites and other left anti-communists do) and have been historically used to confuse, divide and weaken the left against itself. This may not be true of all anarchists but it is for a majority of them.
This is what a real leftist sounds like, not these asshole debate bros. This person is an actual intellectual and not a pseudo intellectual. Just because you can debate doesn’t mean you’re smart, it just means you’re good at arguing which should not be important.
Fear and desire are powerful things. Study how they work, because you're definitely not immune.
Happy Halloween comrades!
Hey man. I just want to say that you are honestly great. Despite me being an ML I see you as one of the best leftists on the platform and I will never forget how you initially radicalized me and ultimately changed my heart and mind for the better. If it weren’t for you I would still be a social Democrats rotting in the “new atheist skeptic movement” still unsure if I should even support Bernie at all. Either that or a literally insane David Icke supporting nutcase (not a nazi though, I intentionally rejected all racist rhetoric and saw Alex Jones as the loon he is) but I got out of that via different means and I think that was caused by a mental breakdown more than anything. Because of you, I can proudly call myself a socialist and a supporter of change and I thank you for that.
Hey that's really wonderful and touching to hear, I'm glad we were both able to make it out!!! Thanks for sharing, and solidarity ❤
As always- love your work and what you do, comrade.
“The oppressed suffer from the duality which has established itself in their innermost being. They discover that without freedom they cannot exist authentically. Yet although they desire authentic existence, they fear it. They are at one and the same time themselves and the oppressor whose consciousness they have internalized.”
- Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed
Really need to read that book!
I love how Kobra Commander is the default scary voice
Retreeeeat!!!
@@NonCompete peace from SC by the way!
This pairs great with John the Duncan's newest video
trypophobia feels irrational at first but is it tied to rot and decay? That's the feeling I get after learning about it, like it's a pretty rational phobia to me!
I read it at Transphopia and I was like what is this guy talking about 🤪🙄
Trypophobia is apparently not a real phobia, at least in the sense that a phobia is learned and can be unlearned. (I haven't read anything on the topic in full yet, though.) I do have it and regularly looking at pictures that trigger it for a couple of weeks has actually worked as some kind of exposure therapy for me.
@@camelopardalis84 yeah, that’s part of why I was so confused
@@robertoleary5470 I mean, trypophobia is a real thing that exists and it's called that. It's just technically not a phobia, apparently.
Maybe I misunderstand your reply?
@@camelopardalis84 I just mistook the actual phobia for the word describing the discrimination against trans people
EJ, great as always!
A minor quibble with the statement that no US-American soldiers "switched sides" in the American War of Aggression against Vietnam -- how do you classify the soldiers who participated in fragging, and other forms of violent and deadly disobedience against their commanders, rather than continue fighting the war? (There were also strikes by sailors who refused to ship out from America, but I can see that not counting, because just like the conscientious objectors, they didn't actually make the trip)
I think those were acts of resistance which deserve recognition, but they weren't acts of defection and enlisting in the Vietnamese resistance directlylike French-employed/Japanese soldiers explicitly performed
What a coincidence that you postet this on Halloween
a li'l spoooooky 🎃
The channel "Maya Ben David" has an upcoming video on Platform Capitalism, i just saw it in my feed
very good video!!
another interesting point is how profitable commodifying fear is and how easy it is to radicalize people towards fear. especially social medias like facebook and tiktok that take "common fears" that are simply based on the lack of information/awareness like transphobia and feed people content of creators who are actively transphobic. pretty much always are they dehumanizing more than one marginalized group so the road to becoming reactionary is paved
I collect my roaches and smoke them in a time of need. They don't scare me at all.
Honestly, it is not as much as fear (I fear being alone). It is more or less I hate more is the feeling of being on the brink all the time.
All your videos are straight bangers!
Loved the nuance in this essay. Much 💜 comrade ✊
So a spectre is haunting the spectre that is haunting Europe, Good God, ITS GHOST CUBED
thank you for calling out Vaush on his bullshit.
This was an amazing video
I honestly think the Vaushes and NonCompetes of the world are somewhat talking past one another.
I watched the Professor Flowers thing with Vaush shortly after it first came out. The overall conversation started really amicably. When the convo turned to the Land Back movement in South Africa, that's when two rhetorical styles clashed HARD.
On the Vaush side, you have a guy who is used to dealing directly with squirmy fascists, etc, by forcing clarification when something sounds even remotely suspicious. "What do you mean by that? Tell me exactly what you mean, answer direct questions with direct answers, or I'm going to be forced to believe you are dealing in bad faith, and I will act accordingly."
On the Prof Flowers side, you have a leftist activist who is ALSO used to dealing with false consciousness, bad faith interlocutors, etc, who go out of their way to bait out talking points and force lines of inquiry that are nothing more than quagmires of wasted time and effort. "Oh you're trying to get me to say something in the language you want me to say it? I'm not going to give you what you want, I'm going to answer these questions in my time and in the manner I choose, thank you very much. If you won't accept the dialogue as I've laid it out, I will be forced to consider you a bad faith interlocutor" sort of thing.
You can see why this might go badly. Both sides are trying to dictate the terms of the discussion and will not cede territory. A conversation became a contest of rhetoric.
That's what I saw, and still see, regarding this whole thing.
Vaush and Prof Flowers both extended olive branches multiple times during the early conversation, charitably interpreting one another and mutually requesting and receiving clarifications. But it broke down at the land back thing.
As someone who sees value in all kinds of leftist activism, it hurts to see fellow leftists fall into mistrust with one another. As much as it tried to be inclusive, I feel like this video is only adding fuel to that fire. Instead of trying to understand where folks are coming from, it claims to know what the other side is thinking and why. And unfortunately the Vaush side is doing the same thing.
I wish sometimes we could view incidents like this as failures of communication, instead of jumping to scathing indictments of the side we do not prefer.
But trust is low on the Left. Maybe we've all been burned and gaslighted a bit too much for a bit too long. I don't know.
The debate honestly just should not have happened. Vaush mentioned that after the debate some of his audience were considering leaving the left and he said that he was gonna stop criticizing the left for a while because he didn’t want to give the impression that the left is full of people who are just itching to become genocidal given the first inch.
@@nervousbreakdown711 well I guess that's the thing though, right? I think things like this don't need to be debates, they can be conversations, even public ones.
But maybe I'm just being optimistic.
Your comment will not go unnoticed.
It is a dirty shame that the rhetoric clashed on South Africa because decolonization barely ever happened there, to the point that the soc dem African National Congress is accused of doing next to nothing.
It is true Vaush's demand for clarification is partially inspired by Desitny's (though unintentional) "unmaksing" of JonTron. He is trying to emulate this even when dogwhistles are not even being used.
Professor Flowers was in the right to dismiss the hypothetical that has no material basis in the goals of decolonization movement. She stated hat colonized should do whatever they want as an implication that reverse genocide is not a goal.
Because of the unmasking style, Vaush is not the type of person to concede unless the ppl he trusts disapproves a take. Flowers does not like to concede because she not willing to compromise on a person she deemed to need correction.
This debate of #land back added feul to fire in other leftist groups. Marxist-Leninists, such as Infrared and Caleb Maupin, think that supporting #LandBack would alienate convertees, which caused push back from the likes of Jason Unruhe and Luna Oi. BadEmpanada has been having a field days on his stream clips channel, making fun of Twitch streamers who oppose decolonization. There has always been mutual leftist distrust because of natural disagreements between Marxist-Leninists, Anarchists, and Social Democrats, etc. These are on topics, such as trying appeal to conservatives, US interventionist policy, whether to vote for lesser evilism, vanguardism, markets or planning, etc. Decolonization is just another source of drama that will be added onto the list.
The two have been talking past each other, true.
The mistrust is understandable given that the drama causes their viewer communities to act toxic in comments and DMs, even to the point of harassment.
Vaush ostensibly brought Flowers on to talk about her critiques of him (that's even the title of the video on his channel) then spent over 3 hours battering her relentlessly with white genocide hypotheticals. She had every right not to engage with those, and repeatedly said she wouldn't support genocide, and as I explained in the video the only rational response to such a vague hypothetical question so far removed from reality is "maybe."
If Flowers was "talking past" Vaush it's only because he refused to drop a very gross battering ram of a talking point which is lifted straight from the white nationalist playbook, and this hypothetical moralizing has since been used to completely vilify Flowers among scared white kids who are comparing her to Hitler (literally following Vaush's lead). Comparing black people to Hitler for saying "we should listen to colonized people" and hammering them for hours over white genocide paranoia goes well beyond what I'd consider acceptable discourse by any measure.
@@NonCompete Indeed. I recommend the discussion between Professor Flowers and President Sunday, which was not a debate but a rather civil discussion on her genuine stances. I wish I can include the link but CZcams does not like this for some reason.
Great channel. I've always been skeptical of any political/economic/social systems ; few, if any, really care about their populations, but your analysis of class-solidarity is the only solution, an almost impossible solution, at least in the United States.
You needed to say "closer" one more time, Dr. Lecter.
I mean, I think that's kinda sad, but I'm not even black (I'm mixed race) and fear white cis heterossexual people, more specifically blondes, idk why, I just have some type of distrust and fear over these people, I know it's irrational but it still happens
also I'm trans and bissexual
you just need to go outside and touch some grass
@@idkdk569 what
I keep seeing people say that and it's annoying how they just expect everyone to understand what they mean.
I hope someday you are able to overcome this fear. Don't be too hard on yourself. We experience tons of stuff, even in movies for example, that can shape you at an early age and that stuff can be hard to recognize and then come to terms with. Even if you do that's just half the battle, you then have to somehow "correct" your thoughts/feelings, which takes time and persistence. The fact that you are able to admit it though is a great sign. It's the folks who don't care are usually the ones too far gone to do anything about.
@@LukeMcGuireoides :: Yeah, me too ... these social media terminologies are a big pain ! I went to Google after reading your concern. Your comment was a year ago ... so I'm sure you know now you need to go outside and ...
Highly recommend "The Progessive Plantation" by Lorenzo Komboa Ervin for critique of the western/predominantly white anarchist movement in the US
Ok but hear me out. I had this huge phobia of bees. After 3 decades of intense fear I finally started talking to someone about my anxiety. Years of therapy medication and I was finally getting over my fear of bees. Last week a bee went under my watch band freaked out and stung me right on my wrist. This was the first time I had ever been stung but I swear that little dastard knew I had my guard down. X(
When I saw the clip when colonizers French throw money to the ground, it’s make me angry and sad. And that’s only just a fraction of what they did to our people. I don’t have to go through thing like that, but it’s our đồng bào, so it’s hurt. When the oppressor did that to our people, they think that they won’t face any consequences? Y don’t yt leftists put themselves in our shoe to see how we view the world, than just worry about the wrong thing.
phammy :: Never let them know "it hurts". It encourages the dehumanization. That's how they get their "kicks" ; kicking others down.
Amazing video!
"Eyes" on potatoes freak me out. I don't know if is because of the name which confused me as a kid, or just the groody ass nature of creepy roots growing out of my yummy potato
ZillMob :: Yes ! I get those "eyes" off as quickly as possible !
Much more informative and important video that it seemed to be in the beginning. I was expecting something more Halloween-y, which was probably your intention.
Cuts at the heart of a lot of the defensiveness from white "leftists". Great video EJ and Luna.
It's the same as in so-called Australia where many left groups do not have Indigenous sovereignty or land back as a part of their platform as they see it as dividing the working class and say that placing the "settler-colonial" moniker on the current country is not accurate. I'll all for having the sharpest analysis possible, but when you have blockers set up against Indigenous people expressing their demands for decolonisation, that is fear and chauvinism.
I was class conscious before I was a tech worker.. and now I kinda just dislike the whole industry
Very good video. Thank you.
Can you enable clipping of the video, so we can make smaller segments to share, or can you cut some of this up into shorter bits, for easily sharing on social media? Some of your examples would work really well as stand-alone quick bits, i'm thinking of the segment that begins roughly at 16:20
I will look into it but I don't think clipping is something I can turn on or off, I think only certain channels have access? But feel free to use jdownloader or OBS to cut out clips and share!
*watching this in february*
Happy Halloween! 😌😌😌
Happy Halloween 🎃
NonCompete. Some ass whip deleted their comment (saying Vaush was 100% correct, accused you of using "liberation movement" to divide, accuse you of unconscious racism for you supposedly implying only white people are capable of crimes, claimed that South Africa can turn bad like the Rwandan genocide, citing Rwanda and Soviet class warfare against Kulaks as examples a decolonization to prove that reverse genocide is "not hypothetical") before I was finished writing my reply.
Since I wasted over an hour writing. I am going to post this because I do want to waste my effort. Here it goes:
"I think this warrants a response.
The ethnic distinctions in Rwanda were social constructs invented by the Germany and Belgian colonizers to divide and conquer between people who indigenous to the region. This was not a decolonization project because it did not involve Belgians and German descendent people. Also, the inspiration behind the Rwandan genocide took DECADES and not just 4 weeks.
The African National Congress has been in power for 20+ years and to say their policies can change within four weeks is about unfounded. You unintentially sound borderline Lauren Southern on South Africa. This is because the Africa National Congress has not implemented land reform, which is more on class lines instead of ethnic lines because they are mostly just soc dems who would not want to nationalize and collectivize industry and land. "Revenge" was never a goal of the ANC and its supporters. To say that the ANC would turn genocidal "within four weeks like Rwanda", or ever, is almost borderline something Lauren Southern would say.
The Kulaks were not an ethnic group but an economic class (same ethnicities as landless peasants) that would rather destroy their products the second they could no longer make a PROFIT off of food production and had to turn their land into mostly co-ops. It was a class war, which cannot be like a dinner party, not decolonization, but false equivalences are expected at this point.
The distinction point is meaningless because Non-Compete pointed out examples of white people who are tolerated in Vietnam, such as himself and French defectors because they do not seek to benefit from economic domination, unlike, say, the majority of white voters in Apartheid era South Africa.
No. He is saying that the MATERIAL CONDITONS, i.e. population of indigenous to non-indigenous people and actual goals of indigenous movements, would make genocide as an unrealistic/idiotic goal for indigenous movements.
President Sunday and BadEmpanada pointed out Vaush's errors. Vaush comparing white South Africans to Jewish ppl in N@zi Germany is one of the most idiotic false takes I ever heard in my life (and I am familiar with talk radio and conspiracy vids on FaceBook, not by choice btw), so he is far. This is because the JQ is unsubstantiated bs while it is an empirically verifiable fact that many white South Africans are capitalists who openly voted for Apartheid (i.e. restricting Black ppl doing business and land ownership). Another dumb take was that Professor Flowers' analysis would be laughed at a college classroom when he graduated with honors and never laughed at when discussing race relations.
However, I think there are only several leftists I completely endorse (not even 10). Vaush is too friendly with liberals like Dylan Burns. I will give him props for raising charity to Palestinians (but this mostly though his audience instead of his checking account as he is planned to save 250k for a future Dem pac), but he rarely promotes co-ops (his only distinction from social democracy to barely pass as left).
Right wingers oppose liberation and never use liberation as a tool to divide people. They oppose every single liberal, let alone liberation movement, including antifa, defend Columbus Day, the LBGT+ movement, BLM, #landback, etc.
Vaush associated with Destiny until several months ago instead of 3+ years ago, and they had a very civil "debate" at a libertarian convention with Dylan Burns and Baisait. Vaush is heavily influenced by Destiny where their primary differences are that the former is into co-ops, single payer healthcare, and free public college for all (instead just for poor ppl).
Professor Flowers sometimes participates in panels with indigenous and black people on the subject matter. Obviously, I do not agree with her lack of Marxism (unlike Frantz Franon) and to but say she does not take these movements seriously is an erroneous take."
I maybe be harsh but the false equivalence and ignorance on surface level South African politics ruined my patience and diplomacy. Good riddance, I guess.
“Dialectical thought starts with the experience that the world is unfree; that is to say, man and nature exist in conditions of alienation, exist as “other than they are.” Any mode of thought which excludes this contradiction from its logic is a faulty logic. Thought “corresponds” to reality only as it transforms reality by comprehending its contradictory structure. Here the principle of dialectic drives thought beyond the limits of philosophy. For to comprehend reality means to comprehend what things really are, and this in turn means rejecting their mere factuality. Rejection is the process of thought as well as action. While the scientific method leads from the immediate experience of things to their mathematical-logical structure, philosophical thought leads from the immediate experience of existence to its historical structure: the principle of freedom.
Freedom is the innermost dynamic of existence, and the very process of existence in an unfree world is “the continuous negation of that which threatens to deny (aufheben) freedom.” Thus freedom is essentially negative; existence is both alienation and the process by which the subject comes to itself in comprehending and mastering alienation. For the history of mankind, this means attainment of a “state of the world” in which the individual persists in inseparable harmony with the whole, and in which the conditions and relation sof his world “possess no essential objectivity independent of the individual.” As to the prospect of attaining such a state, Hegel was pessimistic: the element of reconciliation with the established state of affairs, so strong in his work, seems to a great extent due to this pessimism-or, if one prefers, this realism. Freedom is relegated to the realm of pure thought, to the Absolute Idea. Idealism by default: Hegel shares this fate with the main philosophical tradition.
Dialectical thought thus becomes negative in itself. Its function is to break down the self-assurance and self-contentment of common sense, to undermine the sinister confidence in the power and language of facts, to demonstrate that unfreedom is so much at the core of things that the development of their internal contradictions leads necessarily to qualitative change: the explosion and catastrophe of the established state of affairs. Hegel sees the task of knowledge as that of recognizing the world as Reason by understanding all objects of thought as elements and aspects of a totality which becomes a conscious world in the history of mankind. Dialectical analysis tends to become historical analysis, in which nature itself appears as part and stage in its own history and in the history of man. The progress of cognition from common sense to knowledge arrives at a world which is negative in its very structure because that which is real opposes and denies the potentialities inherent in itself-potentialities which themselves strive for realization. Reason is the negation of the negative.
Interpretation of that-which-is in terms of that-which-is-not, confrontation of the given facts with that which they exclude-this has been the concern of philosophy wherever philosophy was more than a matter of ideological justification or mental exercise. The liberating function of negation in philosophical thought depends upon the recognition that the negation is a positive act: that-which-is repels that-which-is-not and, in doing so, repels its own real possibilities. Consequently, to express and define that-which-is on its own terms is to distort and falsify reality. Reality is other and more than that codified in the logic and language of facts.”
-Marcuse, “A Note on Dialectics”
This is awesome, thanks for sharing!
I FFFFFFFFFUCKING SCREAMED AT THE VOICE EJ WAS DOING AT THE START, FUCKING HUGE POTION SELLER ENERGY
Edit: This is a positive, by the way. It was incredibly funny.
Take this, it will help you on your quest! 🗡
I once had this discussion, with an older German and a younger white South African (irl), about what it means to send the white people back from where they came from as an act of radical decolonization. I started by saying that it is our (Germanys) responsibility to not only pay reparations to the Nama and Herero people, but to also publicly admit the genocide we committed and maybe pro-actively de-Germanify (?) Namibia. All German Namibians can be traced back to their country of origin, many still have the German Passport and most even have Family in Germany. What would be left over is a mainly white Afrikaans speaking population (
FYI: I absolutely do not believe in the "White Genocide" rhetoric that is spun amongst white South Africans. I am aware who the organizations and people are who try to further divide the people with their Racist bullshit. It should be each white South Africans responsibility to stand next to the colonized and fight for liberation.
EJ should be able to deal with the word "Volk". He knows some German, and he has used Nazi propaganda posters in videos to illustrate things, and not few of those contain the word "Volk". Also, "Volk" is simply "people" where "people" is a noun in the singular form. "One people" is "ein Volk", "several peoples" is "mehrere/diverse Völker". I am not entirely sure, but I think the first three words in the US constitution ("We the People") translate to "Wir, das Volk" and not "Wir, die Leute".
@@camelopardalis84 yes!! The We the People makes sense. I always get so picky with translations because I'm scared that they can be interpreted differently.
I'm having a hard time understanding what the critique is about the Vaush and Professor Flowers exchange. I'm gonna rewind and watch that part again but if anybody feels like helping me understand, I'd appreciate it.
Never mind, I think I get it now. Haha
I don't really think it's fair of him to characterize Vaush's disagreement with Professor Flowers as an irrational fear of white genocide. The likelihood of that actually happening is irrelevant because they were talking about whether it's ever okay for one group of people to remove another group of people from a country, by whatever means. Flowers believes it is okay, and Vaush thinks it isn't.
I think it's a very difficult subject, and I feel like everyone is taking a side and acting like the other side is just crazy or something. I would love to see more nuanced discussion about it.
@@joshuakb2 But one side has already done the genocide, is continuing to do it, and these debaters have actively benefited from the imposition of white supremacy as my family has.
There's deep concern about "violence," as millions of bodies are buried and millions more are held in cages. White people like Vaush aren't interested in ending deportations, they're afraid of the violence in the decolonization process and will use leftist's disgust with the US border patrol to draw a false equivalency between the people commiting genocide and the victims of genocide. It's not a matter of "is it okay to kick someone out of any country" because countries are different. That's an idealistic framework which presupposes colonized nations like the Haudenosaunee Confederacy have the same history and philosophy that the British or Americans had, which they don't. They just want to practice their traditional beliefs and ways of life.
Again, deportations happen every day but I don't see these debate bros calling Democrats fascists, they only ever call Chinese people and Native Americans who insist on national sovereignty and independence from white colonization fascists.
@@ferrousjoy and they still do the genocide! And won’t stop. They despise humanity.
@joshuakb2 :: This may be insignificant ... but as Norman Finklestein pointed-out ::
_Do concentration guards have a right to self-defense ?_
Didn't violent Slave Rebellions terrify the Slave-holders ?
It's hard to be "nuanced" with the kinds of dynamics discussed in this video or Professor Flowers & Vaush.
Are you open to having a debate with this Vaush character? I feel like it could be an absolute waste of time and could contribute to the further division of the left but I would also love to see it. Like I would pay to see it.
Sorry. I just really don’t like the guy
Heya, I did actually talk to him a few weeks back and it went about like you described. Definitely a counter-productive waste of time!
Driving out occupying armies isn't the same as kicking everyone out...
In Vietnam they kicked out every French colonist (even colonists who were born and raised there) and every USAmerican imperialist (including civilians and their families) who didn't join their cause for liberation, not just soldiers.
Thank you for providing the Vietnam example. I didn't realise how effective that white nationalist rehtoric was at giving me, a white person, brain worms, till you pointed out how silly it is.
Was that a Coffin Joe inspired performance?
Yaknow what, I had never heard of Coffin Joe until just now, but after looking it up... I'll take this as a high compliment lol
where did you come from, where did you go?
Where did you come from, Coffin Joe?
It's almost like the much feared Ghost Dance was a big scary metaphor that broke the minds of the uppers.
C'mon we want that 101k :/
Hey is that tech worker apocalypse you predicted happening now?
It seems to be starting, earlier than I expected!
I kinda like what Zac from The Vanguard had to say on the subject. He was addressing the immigration/asylum seeking issue. His view was - when it comes down to it, we may just have to take our lumps. Yes, it would deplete one's share of resources to distribute them equally. So it will affect everyone of privilege in at least some small way. So what? To have a more just society/world, it would be well worth it.
I was really surprised at Vaush's sharp turn. Destiny always seemed to be leaning that way, so not a big shock.
I feel like Vaush flips back and forth on stances and doesn’t have a real grasps of what he’s saying just that he’s gotta “win” the debatw
Vehicular manslaughter is not an appropriate response to noninjurious arson.
EJ and I have even more in common, I also have a pretty big fear of cockroaches.
FEAR is still my favourite FPS, its the game I've most often replayed
The girl was cute
@@tommj4365 good cast of characters, for sure.
I was just watching an FD Signifier video im which he made the observation that the debate bros seem just as toxic as the people they oppose.
Happy halloween 🎃 I'm afraid of abattoirs
We talking German roaches or those big ones? Spiders for me, but only big Australian ones.
I don't discriminate, I hate all roaches lol
@@NonCompete I looked them up when you said you wouldn't show pictures, and the ones from North American are so much bigger than the German ones!
Me and Luna have the same fear lol 😨
I do too, even saying what it means makes me queasy
@@Illstatefishing whatever you do, don't look up "how to overcome fear of holes" because I made that mistake before
@@YanickFM Thanks Yanick I try and stay away from anything related to that
@@YanickFM When I found out I had that problem, I actually did look up pictures that trigger it regularly for a couple of weeks some years ago. Eventually, the pictures stopped triggering me as much. This has remained that way to this day.
@@camelopardalis84 that does make sense tbh. I just wasn't prepared 😂
Thank you for this.
We have an example of landback happening, after the Mexican revolution the land the means of production was taken from the Spanish. It was given back to the indigenous people who worked the land. To this day there is a Spanish minority in Mexico and they are just as Mexican as everyone else. Yet the indigenous population still faces a lot of prejudice and even tho more than half of Mexico doesn’t speak Spanish the culture and the language associated with Mexico is still European it’s still Spanish
@@DevinMacGregor literally how we got our ranch dude. :/ read about expropriation please :(
Howdy, been watching your channel on and off for a while now, I participate in mutual aid and work with a lot of ancoms, in a hypothetical anarchist society, would you respect other ideologies? Specifically individualist and mutualist (me)? Many ancoms that I talk with on the surface say yes but when you boil it down they insist that you become communist, while I'm a mutualist I respect the ideology but I feel like supporters of communism themselves are kinda socially authoritarian many say that they "encourage" and "insist" that you change your ways to theirs, do you think there would be skirmishes of ideologies for domination? Would anarchist really be what it is?
Anarchism is always optional. You choose what kind of anarchist society you want to be part of.
I don't think there's a one size fits all solution, and I have a lot of latitude for who I'll work with. I'm gonna do a video on this pretty soon but for now, the short answer is, yes, as long as you share our vision of ending all forms of oppression and you're not a shithead, we can probably comrades
The revolution needs to be united, we cannot be all pulling in different directions, we need to act with common purpose and coordination. Any and all divisions will be exploited by the enemies of the revolution and they will attempt to drive a wedge between us. This insistence of anarchists of various flavors on individualism and independence is counterproductive. The revolutionary movement needs to adopt democratic centralism as its guiding organizational principle: vigorously debate internally until a majority decision is reached but act united externally. If we fail to do this we are surely going to be defeated as we will be ineffectual in our actions and the enemy will adopt a divide and conquer strategy.
@@NonCompete "yes, as long as you share our vision on ending all forms of oppression"
so what you're really saying is no, "ending all forms of oppression" is subjective, you've said it your self money, markets and property of any kind, including ones based on property and use, and usufructs principles are oppressive and thus implying we would have a problem, resulting in skirmish and "liberating" those who disagree
Edit- look at the comments, this isn't the only one I've seen. Your fans aren't anarchist, they're tankies, this is my main problem with your channel larping as a tankie with tankie imagery and retorhic
@@transsylvanian9100"This insistence of anarchist of various forms on individualism and independence is counter productive"
"The revolutionaey movement needs to adopt democratic centralism"
Wait? What? So being consistent with your principles and insisting individualism, autonomy must be preserved is bad? You say it's counterproductive and we should put aside our differences and work together but at the cost of sacrifices our principles to serve yours? You take about everyone working together along with democratic centralization, why centralization? That's not very anarchist, have you've never read about the spanish civil war? Several left leaning groups working together ended up causing massive problems and eventually collapsed.
No no ... after trying to figure out what Trypophobia was, I was treated in my google search to a bunch of really creepy photos that brought to mind things crawling out of the skin. Totally get why someone would be freaked by this. My skin is still crawling.
Great video.
Spoopy
glad you actually put a vid clip in instead of just vageu-booking
WTF is it with lotus pods?! I am not bothered by *all* trypophobic triggers, but those are full-body nauseating.
EJ, are you having insomnia? You seem like you need to sleep for days. Don't forget to rest!
I DO have insomnia and permanent dark circles but I emphasized the look with white face makeup and black eyeliner for this vid, but yeah! I will try to catch more z's, thanks for the concern 🥰
Somebody who deals drugs should sell a drug that suppresses fear. I think weed already kind of does that though.
Sure am tired of those Left-Aesthetic Chud Incendiaries. Yeah, LACIs. That works.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Vaush isn’t a leftist, and you don’t have to defend him. White debate bros like him aren’t worth a damn.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 What's it like being this brainwashed?
@@annaclarafenyo8185 That’s a pretty bold statement to make, because leftist history has people like Marx, Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Kropotkin, Malatesta, Engels, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Che, Fred Hampton, Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Rosa Luxemburg, Arundhati Roy, Assata Shakur, Salvador Allende, Patrice Lumumba, Kim Il-sung, Eugene Debs, MLK, Malcolm X, Kwame Ture, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, and more who have done or at least represented more than what Vaush does.
And no, it’s not against leftism to point out his whiteness (I’m white too or at least could pass off as white). Calling that out isn’t a smear in any way, especially in the western world where whiteness is and has been beyond dominant. Sitting in a gaming chair and debating Nazis and other leftists his community doesn’t truly care for (especially black leftists) still isn’t worth a damn. I genuinely don’t understand what you see in him, because he makes a fool of himself about topics he doesn’t actually understand (black nationalism, anti-imperialism, Democrats vs Republicans, etc.). You’d be better off if you get your online content from other sources. I’d even be happy to recommend a few. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ANNA CLARA Fenyo while I agree that 95% of the criticism Vaush receives is for stuff he doesn’t actually believe, he is not a “better leftist than any other.” That’s insane.
@RedGambitt_ if someone who exposes tens of thousands of people to the harm done by states and capitalism isn’t worth a damn then how much more worthless are you?
Great video
It is not a coincidence that one of the most talented horror writers in history was a massive racist and scared of fucking everything.
I used to be afraid of cockroaches too and I used to call me mother in law. I caught one and really looked very closely at it and now I’m disgusted by them but I can stand them. But the cockroaches in Asia are something else man
32:26 even Taliban collaborated with the US to help soldiers leave Afghanistan peacefully
Have a good day
In our current political climate more people should be horrified of billionaires influencing public policy. That's just about the scariest thing in the MODERN world.