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SPECIALIZED vs. TREK (MADONE vs VENGE) WHICH IS THE BETTER AERO ROAD BIKE?
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Trek or specialized???
Specialized
specialized all day
Trek. On my second one but if I hadn’t went for it it would have been the venge. Let’s face it either bike and you are a winner. My madone is 7.8kg. Lighter tires, inner tubes and only 5g bottle cages. The madone would have been lighter on the smaller frame.
Specialed looks Badass... Would much rather ride the Specialized hands down👏😎
I have both 🤪🔥
Hi mate, a quick go through through the Trek range from a Emonda SLR owner, hope that it will help you a little bit:
frame material:
- AL/ALR -> Aluminum frame
- SL -> Carbon, OCLV 500 layup, similar to fact9/10r: same stiffness but heavier
- SLR -> Carbon, OCLV 800, older models with 600/700, highest grade layup, similar to S-Works
meaning of the number behind the frame type (like Émonda SLR *9*):
2 -> Claris
3 -> Sora
4 -> Tiagra
5 -> 105
6 -> Ultegra mech.
7 -> Ultegra Di2/Force eTap AXS
8 -> Dura-Ace mech.
9 -> Dura-Ace Di2/Red eTap AXS
note:
al/alr: 2-5 (idk the details there, sorry)
sl: 4/5/6-7 (only the domane has the 4; madone sl has only 6 and 7)
slr: 6-9
the domane & emonda have a sl6 „pro“ tier which comes with lowest grade carbon wheels (details under „wheels“)
(fun fact: there was a 10 in 2015-16: only in the emonda range as a 4.8 kg hyperbike but they ditched it.)
Wheels:
Aeolus xxx: equivalent of the roval clx, top tier
Aeolus RSL: equivalent of the roval alpinist clx, new 37mm wheel, was presented with the 2021 emonda
Aeolus Pro: equivalent of CL‘s, but wheels have a heavier carbon layup
Aeolus Comp: similar to Pro, but worse
Paradigm: Alloy Wheelset
Afftinity: Alloy Wheelset, worse than Paradigm
hope this helps :)
Thank you so much for this i will put this in some notes!!! you are alegend!!
@@GCPerformance18 not a problem, i renewed some points so it would be cool if you can use the newer version 👌
One thing that’s changed since is the “Aeolus Elite” wheelset, our base level carbon wheels available in 35 or 50 depth. These fall between the Aeolus Pro carbon wheelset and the Paradigm alloy wheelset currently.
Super helpful info 🙏🏿
"If you have enough money to own this bike".. crosswinds won't affect you. LOL. Great video, love how you keep it rolling with the distractions.
hahahahhah thank you so much!!!
Of course there's a dentist next door hahaha, must be half of your clientele
hahaahhahahha I never thought of that, not once in my life but now its dead ass funny
they should’ve kept rim brake versions of these. You could shave a good 500g off the portly madone. and it would be more aero.
yea I agree
You can still buy the Rim brake Madone as a frameset here in the UK though it still has the BB90 bottom bracket so guessing it is the last batch to be made. I am sure it tested faster in the Tour Magazine Aero tests than the disc version.
500 grams isn’t enough. Rather have the safety of disc brakes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣… the pause, then panning to the dude at the trash can... I’m dying.... 😭😭😭😂😂😂😂
lmfaoooo he didnt give no shits
He got work to do. Don't care about the CZcams LoL 🤣
@@GCPerformance18 lol. Zero!! Lol
@@salsalawyer 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao I had an ad for furniture just after the noise 😂
Trek fan boy here. Madone!
comfort has a price and the price you pay is in grams:)
lmao this is true!!!! but they do look really good
Nice comparison. I m a big fan of Trek and Specialized 😉. I have owned the Venge S-works and did like it a lot. I didnt find it too harsh to ride and definitely a very fast bike. But I did set it up tubeless with 25mm GP5000. I havent tried a Trek Madone yet 🤔. Project one from Trek is a huge plus for me 👌. Their paintjobs are just the best you can get.
yea you cant compare any bike to treks paintjobs they have so many companies beat with that one..... I always loved my venge as well but I have not rode a trek just have had tons of consumers who have gave me there feeddback
I've ridden both and these are my post-build first spin verdicts:
Specialized Venge (2019 Venge Pro, FACT 11r): Direct bike feedback, harsher than a regular carbon road bike (like the Tarmac SL6), quick to accelerate (thanks to the Roval CL 50 Discs).
Trek Madone (2021 Madone SL 6, OCLV 500): Noticeably more compliant (IsoSpeed decoupler slider wasn't even halfway up front), heavy to accelerate (the Bontrager Aeolus Comp 5s are to blame).
The cons:
Venge: Electronic groupsets only (thus requires a lot of money to build one up), harsh ride isn't for everyone (I actually kind of like it), might look quite ugly if you run other cockpits (yes, you can run any stem you want. It comes with a headset cover with three holes for the hydraulic hoses and one wire to come out of), BB30 (for PressFit haters)
Madone: Shift housing stops at the control center inside the down tube (will drop out of it if you accidentally yank the shift housing) (if you run mechanical), requires slim 5 mm hex bits to torque the seat mast down (regular ones are too fat and will mar the recessed section), shortest cumulative cockpit reach with the Madone's own cockpit is 173 mm (80 + 93 mm, too long for short-bodied riders like me, or at least that's what I think for me), bad front derailleur clearance (chain rub is inevitable), horrible rear derailleur hanger clearance (impossible to realign with any big-headed hanger alignment gauge like the Park Tool DAG-2)
Between these two aero bikes, I'll take the Venge any day.
Edit: The updated version of the Madone (with a T47I BB shell, Madone SLR only as of the 2021 model year) can run full-length shift housings, all the way to the derailleur. (if you run mechanical) However, this means mechanical groupset builds are only for Shimano groupsets since only their current-gen front derailleurs (ex. Shimano Dura-Ace FD-R9100) can seat the shift housing directly at the derailleur body.
thanks for the info on it!!! makes a lot of sense!!
@@GCPerformance18 You're welcome.😅 A bike must have no basic flaws for said bike to be in my watchlist and constant chain rub is a big no-no.
Thank you for info!
@@stanislavkindiakov6334 You're welcome. I've added an edit at the bottom, you should take a look if you want to pull the trigger on the Madone.
My 2020 trek Madone projectone SLR 17.5 pounds. That Madone needs to lose some weight lol. Isospeed make the Madone a smooth riding bike! Cross winds doesn’t bother me at all It handles it very well!
lol makes no sense i know
Would be good if you could have weighed them under equal conditions; trying compare a 58cm Trek with a tool bag on it and lower spec Force components to a 54cm Specialised with no bar tape and high-end components isn’t relevant or very informative... The Trek is still probably heavier but not by that much. Trek’s frame tubes are wider and the bike is more aero.
Great video though, thank you for posting it.👍
I would take the Madone...even though it's heavier and not more aero, I think it looks better, with a better integrated system. And cherry on top, it uses a T47 BB which is *miles* better than OSBB 😅
But I think I would take an Émonda over the Madone. Just so I can do a little bit more of everything.
Just so you know GC, the IsoSpeed system doesn't use an elastomer but it uses a separate seat-tube with some kind of bearing and that slider under the top tube allows you to soften or make the ride stiffer...
The madone is faster than the venge.
@@jaspreetsidhu5708 Both are extremely fast bike...But I don't think you'll fell a difference between the two...Only way to tell would be in a wind tunnel and even then, not sure you would see the difference.
And they are not the fastest bike out here so...(that goes to the new Canyon Aeroad, the SystemSix and the Cervélo S5). In Tour magazine reviews, both bike do about 210W in their test, while the others mention above do around 205 and less (202 for the Aeroad).
2012 and beyond Specialized road bikes run BB30, not OSBB anymore.
@@yonglingng5640 It's exactly the same thing....Both are bearings press-fitted into an alloy sleve, with a nominal diameter of 42mm, 7mm in thickness and 30mm in internal diameter. Both are very well known to creak and to create more problems than the PF-30 or BB386 EVO standard. In summary, BB30/OSBB is trash.
(Btw, it's called BB30 OSBB for a reason....). Anything else?
thank you so much for that explanation of the iso speed I will use it for the nxt video
If I didn't live in 10buck2, I'd have the specialized, but since our paved roads are basically as bad as gravel washboards, me gonna have to go with Trek, I think their product engineered better.
lmao and yea the treks do, do a lot= of great engenerring
I was just looking at the Trek like oh another bike . That was then. But now I'm looking at Trek like dang 😍. I like that " not looking like all other aero bikes" out there. Nice upper tube slightly bowed. On a heavy side is not that big of a problem. Keeping the speed on flats is when get the most of it. Both are nice but there a lot of people with Specialized bikes. I like being apart. Great video man.
yea it looks sick the trek madone is stil one of the best aero bikes out
@@GCPerformance18 yeah.. Did you checked the Look Blade? that's another sick one. And not having the same lower seat stay tube like others
About the weight: Different frame sizes. Not sure from videos about the tires and wheels. Also what’s in the seat bike bag? Could account for some of the Wright difference.
Most riders aren’t racers. Most want to go fast but also go long. In the real world: the comfort factor is more important than a small weight difference. Certainly most riders can stand to lose a few pounds which riding longer will facilitate. Also here in Florida a hill is a bridge. A mountain is two bridges. Weight isn’t felt once you are at speed, whatever that is depending on your fitness and age.
Nice video. By the way I’ve an SLR7 Domane. Really comfortable.
I'd be interesting to ride these back to back on an undulating course to see whether you can detect the 1.5kg weight difference.
to be honest, same thing here I wish I owned both these bikes
When I told my local bike shop owner about the Madone, he replied, “Why would you spend that much money on a Trek?” That Madone weights almost as much as my Guerciotti Brera!
the madones are pigs on wheels
I know the bikes have various extra bits hanging off them, but msn that Madone is heavy! I honestly believe that all the aero tweaks does not overcomes a bike that is 1.5- 2.0 kg heavier than a classic climbing bike would be. The thicker tube section are actually more draggy once their is any crosswind to deal with. It’s a fact. Hambini actually crunched the numbers on a recent video.
To an extent the Aethos has shown what modern composite developments can achieve. For the average person, I believe this would be a faster package, particularly when there are any hills.
If had to choose one here, it would have to be the Venge....
ill tell you this these companioes can run the numbers all day and also enginers..... but I promise you these aero bikes where I ride at will 100 percent make it easier to carry top end speed easier much more ocmpared to the aethos
@@GCPerformance18 in the hills as well?
No bar tape on the Venge? Haha. That said, I think we know the Venge should be lighter...
lol waiting for the customer to bring his tape in he has
And a back pack on Madone ;) I suppose in fair conditions difference is one kilo, not 1.5
Venge, i like the tube shape and how it look. Its really missing a nice paint job tough.
Yeah I agree
Trek if it’s an Émonda, specialized if it’s a venge🤷♂️ maybe I’m just used to the Émonda but the one time I felt a madone it was way too heavy for me personally
those new emondas are amazing I love the revampp of them
I've ridden both of them. The madone is a lot lighter than that I've weight a 58 frame myself and it came in at about 8 kg. The madone is a LOT stiffer and a LOT more comfy than the venge
really good to know!!! sounds good
can you make a video about Colnago v3rs ?
good shout johnny.........gotta love colnago, i personaly love the c64 in the limited black and gold paint job
@@mincehogan9508 yeah. We have a team member that rides one.
I would love to have one I need to make a couple drives to some stores
I have that same Venge only difference
is the Groupset got Ultegra Di2, Crank, no TT handle bar nor Ceramic speed got the NovaRide OSPW instead I believe it's about 16.5 pounds love riding it even for long ride no issue with stiftness is fine with me
nice build!!!!! sounds great
that is damn heavy madone …. my Madone SLR 7 Pro 1 with Ultregra group set & Bontregra Aeolus Pro 5 weight incl 2 bottle cage & ultregra Pedal is weight 8.4kg
yea I know I dont know why it happened like that
I like that handlebar on the venge
yea it is nice and plus an extra position for the rider to enojy
Based on the reviews, which bike is stiffer, it is known that the weight loses the trek when it comes to racing, does the trek accelerate blockily ?
venge is stiffer all day to me, it accelrates quicker and picks up speed easier
Madone🤩
it sure does look pretty
That Trek Madone looks a lot like the early 2000s first- generation Specialized Tarmac, esp with that sloping top tube
yea trek and emondas still have thoise large sloping top tubes
Bad comparison- venge is without bar tape! Just joking I am trek guy. Thanks for video, you doing great! Regards from Moscow, Russia
lmfaooo and hi from florida thnak you from watching all the way over ther???? what is the weather like? snowing?
@@GCPerformance18 ah Florida... how far is it). Back to Moscow- thanks god, not snowing, but still ice on the roads and just start melting, probably few weeks and we are ready to roll
Depends what is in the saddle bag, not a very fair comparison.
I’d say it’s a pretty fair comparison with the venge having the aero bar. I’ve also felt a madone and it’s a tank
It should be around 8.3kg with pedal n mount
And the venge has no bartape on ....
yea I mean the venge has those aero bars that are for sure heavier then that bag... the bag just had a co2 tire leevr and tube
@@GCPerformance18 Biggest difference is the frame sizes.
The rear light is mounted incorrectly, it's mounted back to front that's why it's sticking out so much.
lmao what a duck, ima laugh at him
These Bikes makes me feel good about my bike build. My Bike is sitting on 7.6kg and cost under $3000 and It's on a Shimano 105 Groupset.
What is it?
@@mrnimby1 Delihea Rest with Prime Primavera Cockpit and Prime RR-50 Wheelset.
very nice build!!!!
@@GCPerformance18 thanks!
I've been waiting this content for so long
thanks so much!!!
I still ride a 2006 Orbea Orca with Sram Red Mechanical (7.8kg) and was looking to upgrade to a Madone. But, with that large of a weight difference - wondering if it's really worth it?!?
if it is flat over there the new aero bikes are in a league of there own, weight is th enot the biggest deal if the course it is right for the bike, the aero bikes over here are a must on the group rides, they help riders maintain so much energy when riding at those fast speeds
Madone looks sick! But once you go down from 54 cm the frame looks ugly
I think a smaller bike always looks better the 58 doesnt look that god
Yes u r right. Mine is 52 n it looks less aggressive
your definitely right...i have a size 56 it looks gorgeous and balanced...but the size 52 down looks funny, like the rear wheel will hit your butt😂...
I like the look of the Trek better, personally
I like the colors and paint schemes too but frame I might have to go with specialized but I am biased lol
I like the Trek, but I'm going with the Venge. I have those same clip on aero bars. Mine are Controltech Sirocco that clip on to the stem. Great when riding solo. 99 percent of my rides are
Good choice!
dream bike is that Venge YUMM
that venge is tooo hawt
Cannondale SystemSix hi-mod is best!
I always wnated to see those in perosn they look so good
@@GCPerformance18 So true, sexiest aero-bike out there, at least for now...
One chance only, I choose Venge, lighter and looks more fancy
the venge always looks nice
@@GCPerformance18 it is only because this is a big ass trek madone frame size, the smaller the frame size on roadbikes the better the aesthetics
Have to agree about crosswinds, people make too much of them. Just don't ride in gales and you'll be fine.
yea I have never got that, there has never been a time in my life where I looked at a bike or a wheel depth and was like shittt im going to get fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that normally, they're not going to be an issue, but If you need to take your hands off the bars for some reason (opening food packages, etc.) and a cross wind catches you, it can be much worse if you have all the aero goodies.
Can you pls make a video comparing to factor one?
I would love to see one person, I have not see one yet
THE VENGE IS 54cm COMPARED TO MADONE 58cm. Da ya think that maybe frame size has anything to do with weight? No kidding!
Of course. And I think I mentioned that too
the trash can has been proven to be more aero than both of these bikes with that massive and loud cover LOL
lmaso
Exactly as described
I’m looking for “porker” in my bike manual. can you help me and let me know what page that was in?
fat fucking bike lmao
Hi! Is the S-Works aerobar fit in the tarmac sl7? Would you make a video for it? Thank you. Your videos are super good
I would think so even though the tarmac stem is smaller, it should have the same clamping power and it shouldnt rotate.... so I would say 99 percent sure it would work no problem
@@GCPerformance18 If the stem size is slightly diffent it will be better to just change also the stem to the venge one, even if is heavier. Can you recommend any clip on aerobar that could suit the aerobarfly II or the tarmac stem? Thank you
Everyone is so concerned about weight. If you are not a pro does weight really matter? Geez!🤦🏾♂️
hahahah I know but people neeed to have something to complain about or tell there friedns how much there bike weighs
0:16 sounded like you said power "meter" saddle?
hahahahha I talk like an idiot I try to talk slowly but it doesnt work lol
Great review! You should remove the lights and saddlebags next time.
Thanks so much!!! I appreciate it
Love the vids bro
Thank you so much!!!!
Venge. I loved mine and miss it some days.
hell yea!!! I hope they bring it back
Definitely the Madone in the SLR9 model (equivalent spec)
yea I wish I had one to compare side byu side I have not seen one in person yet to be honest alwaysd this tier
Venge still is the most beautiful bike for me
I agree I hope they bring it back so bad I miss it too
@@GCPerformance18 Im so happy I found the purple '19 pro model last year
This is like iphone or apple
Hey awesome review bro, I have the trek and it’s really noisy in the front end when I hit bumps or uneven tarmac. Is this normal?? Thanks!
it shouldnt be, it could be cable rattle in the front of the handlebar or something else but I would have it looked at
Did you feel any free play up front? If you did, your headset is loose and needs to be preloaded.
What’s that aero bars called?
I think they are called the uti bars on specialized.com or you can just call any spec store and be able to get them
I love your videos!
Thank you so much!!!
Does he run the Venge without bar tape?
no I just havnt ran the tape and I had to get ready to close the store down lol so I just did the video bare tape l;ol
I went with a Emonda over a Madone. I couldn’t justify paying 7 to 8k for a 20 pound bike. I don’t understand how as a top end bike manufacturer that has a world tour team can have a bike that’s so heavy. I had a 2014 Madone in a 58 that weighed 15lbs.
emonda all day
I guess they put all their emphasis on aero, I would like to see both weighed standard no pedals
The older madone rim is better its claim to be more quick than newer but from those 2 ill take the venge even tho i own a Madone
I had the madone rim brake in my store for a little but I wasnt a fan of those brake flanges opening up alot
@@GCPerformance18 I have the rim brake which is lighter
And ill tell you another tip i kept that rim brake instead of the 2019 cervelo s5!
How can I get my vibrations to trickle out?
lmafaooooo
Another point about Trek is their amazing replacement policy on wheels.
yea I thikn roval has the same policy.... it happens program and lifeitme warranty
Venge is a dish best served aero.
lol very well said
Got any recommendations on bottle cages GC? Looks like the Venge has the Specialized rib cages on it?
Are carbon cages worth it for anything besides weight savings?
I love the sworks carbon cages but also I do like supacaz cages they look really nice
That Madone is way too damn heavy?! That's mountain bike territory?
yea thats a heffer, I mean there is no excuse even with a full saddle bag
Venge. Easy choice
my kind of guy
Venge for the win.
your a man of extreme quality
@@GCPerformance18 😉
I have Madone and coming from a mid-range very stiff Fuji aerobike, Madone sucks!
did he just said, Fast and heavy ? isnt the contrary ? its fast and light
yea someimtes I am really dyslexic and kind of dumb I am sorry but I mix up words all the time
@@GCPerformance18 lol happens to me all the time, i feel you bro xD
damn my bike weighs around 9 or 9.3kg with pedals, lights and phone mount + phone. I thought my bike was heavy now I realize other aero bikes can go up to those weights too
It should weight around 8.3kg with pedal n mount, without lamp n bag. We don't know how much the bag n what inside
@@azk_182 well sure but my weight is estimated with a rear light and a sp connect front mount with a cateye gvolt70 and an iphone xr + the sp connect phone case. the package in the front alone is something like 500g. without it I'd sit at something like 8.8kg or so, wich is not too much heavier, especially since my bike was 2000€, still has aluminium stem, handlebar, seatpost and rims meaning I could save another 300-400g, if not more. and it has "just" 105, wich does weight ~200g more than ultegra.
I just think it was interesting to see where even very top-of the-line bikes can sit at, you know? makes me feel better hahaha
edit: and I still forgot about the saddle, tires and tubes. I mean this is all very much some weight-wheeny stuff, but I mean weight is weight
why my madone is 8.45kg everything in
and its on sram red...that force groupie is 500g more 😂
@@densyoh i have an SL version, xxx6 wheelset with pzero velo clincher 700x25, ultegra 8020 (but da sprocket n rotors), ultegra pedals, aeolus pro saddle, SLR handlebar-stem, garmin mount, it is 8.4kg
Wheres the bartape on the venge
waiting for customer to bring it in he has gold supacaz tape
Specialized. On the weight basis, could easily go for either both flat or climbing. Besides, powermeter is included and with ceramicspeed bearings on hubs and crank. Totally, worth.
The weight of the Trek isn't even a player in the high end bike game at that weight. I know it's an aero bike, but for that money Trek should be able to deliver a bike that is AT LEAST under 19 lbs WITH pedals and bottle cages.
tea I agree with that I think for sure they should be lighter
Trek😀
nawwwww
how the hell did you get both of those?!
lmao customers bikes lol
@@GCPerformance18 I thought this are yours, already got envy, haha
The Trek branding is way too small.
lmao
Venge all day long GC.............
agreeeed
20 LBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop the Madness!!!!!
lol
hahahahhahah its the MAD-ONE it is super heavy though and there is no excuse for that
@@GCPerformance18 😂
The venge all the way, the overall standing off the bike looks so muchts better then the trek.
There is only one point thats not oke and that is the price 🤑
hell yea!@!!
Aero and gravel... those two somehow contradict each other anyway. The „aero“ term is just for marketing purposes
yea I mean but i have felt the difference between the aero bikes
Is that a Trek? I wasn’t sure. 😅
hahhahahahha the label must not have been big enough
@@GCPerformance18 😂
how much the frameset of the venge
I think 5k but they are not avaible right now in the states to buy
thanks
The cost of project one custom paint I would have thought you could get the specialized painted by a custom paint shop.
you can but I hope they do it from manufactorer
Come on man, what is with the saddle bag LoL 🤣 Trek is almost always going to be heavier. Different engineering philosophy. Trek is still tubeless compatible.
hahahahah like 1 co2 and the tube and tire lever
1:13 and 1:52 hilarious
Lmaool
Whats your opinion on orbea road bikes ?
honestly i have not seen one in my shop yet but I know they look good
I’d take that stupid Aero bar off the venge toot-suite.
lmao I like it
Man, get rid of those crappy tri bars.
he likes it, its ocmfortable to him
Specialized Madone versus Trek Venge. WTF???
hahahhaha that is just how you see it as the title
@@GCPerformance18 😀👍
Venge every time .
yes yes!!!
Wow 20lb
yea its a fuggin tank
who would actually buy these? people are gullible. 2023 SPECIALIZED SL10 made of military grade LEAD 15kg but super aero.
9,30 kg !!! Pesa di meno una MTB !!!
jajajajja
heavier than my 2009 Pinarello FP5 with aluminum wheels
lol I know
20 lbs. 8g? 😂
lamoo
Lol, These bikes are both fat fat whales, and they are DISC, which are less aero! And then there is the price. These bikes are NOT fast. Well maybe down hills. Lol
WHAT, wide down tube, vibrations trickle out! What the hell are you talking about! I think you need to do some research on composites, or don’t make tech comments on thing you are not up to speed on.
I understand where you are coming from... you have your bike you love your bike and you see no reason to upgrade and etc. I have been in this industry for the longest time. I have seen bikes go through the works the revisions mountain bikes go from v brakes to discs, 26 to 29 wheels rim brake to disc brakes. There is no stopping it and there is no reason too, iots just the industry and allows these companies to make these high end bikes..... if you want a rim brake regular road bike there are companies out there..... PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS GLORIFY when there is a rim brake win and be like "see thats why there better" and not even flinch when the world champion has won on rim brakes the past like 6 times or how many stages were won on disc brakes.... its jsut insane to me. it might not make sense to for you to have these bikes where you live.... but 100 percent for sure there is a difference riding these aero bikes and we have felt these differences of them being able to carry speeds on flat roads.....
@@GCPerformance18 i understand you are promoting new tech, but physics doesn't support the marketing claims. THE TRUTH! many experts wil agree. The move to disc was because of carbon clincher failures due to the resin going soft with continuous braking and the tyre being blown off the rim. The manufacturers tried different resins but were either too expensive or didn't work, so they moved to disc. I have no problem with this safety move. BUT to say they stop better or are more aero is just a flat out lie!
The two most important things on a low energy vehicle is weight and wind drag. Disc brakes offer niether. I am sorry that is just the facts. For ultimate road bike racing performance, a rim brake bike is still superior.
@@louispastore7301 sorry physics does not support that. If you think having a higher spoke count and a spinning disc on your front wheel is more aero and having more "power" and heavier bike stops you quicker. Enjoy the kool aid.
I did a detailed vid on my channel explaining all this.