Cheap Carbon Handlebar - COMPLETE FAILURE in under 300 miles!
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- My pair of cheap carbon handlebars from Toseek failed catastrophically in less than 300 miles, so let’s check out the break!
The pair of Toseek carbon aero handlebars that I have fitted on my bike, have been rock solid for over 8000 miles. BUT another seemingly identical pair that I featured in my first video on the topic ( • CHEAP CARBON HANDLEBAR... ) completely failed in under 300 miles.
The bars seemed to be good quality, but when my colleague Tom fitted them to his bike, he noticed that they had begun to BREAK IN HALF during his Sunday ride!
Cheap carbon bike parts from the likes of eBay and AliExpress are always super appealing. You can pick up some absolute bargains, but breaks like this just go to show that these cheaper parts can’t always be trusted.
In this video, I show the break in detail, discuss why this may have happened, and what do to if you have bought these handlebars yourself.
Got any questions or comments, stick them below 👇 and I'll try to get back to as many of you as I can!
Also, MASSIVE thankyou to Siroko for sponsoring this video!
They honestly make some wicked cycle glasses, and if you want to receive an additional 10% off your order, use my link below:
srko.co/tracevelo
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Siroko Sponsor Segment
04:16 - Broken Bars
06:00 - Broken Bar Autopsy
09:04 - Gambling with Cheap Carbon
10:55 - Self Quality Control
12:55 - Wrap-up
Intro roll:
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Music:
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Lakey Inspired ( / lakeyinspired ) - In My Dreams, The Process
About Trace Velo:
I love cycling, and I love getting pro cycling kit for less. If it’s cheap, from China, and made of carbon fibre, I’m interested!
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Email:
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Please note:
With the exception of Siroko (and their products shown), all products demonstrated in this video have been purchased by me, and I have no affiliation to any of the sellers or vendors shown.
In addition, I am not a professionally trained bike mechanic. There can be risks associated with using products that are unbranded, untested, or come from sources where the provenance is unknown. Please talk to a qualified bike mechanic if you are in any doubt.
In essence, be careful, do your research, and cycle safe!!! - Sport
Glad to see Luke has hit the big time so that he can finally afford a bookcase in the background.
Thanks thetien! Those super basic IKEA bookcases dont come cheap! :P
@@TraceVelo and you actually figured out how to put them together which is probably harder than assembling an integrated stem on a Modone
@@TraceVelo can you please cut the bars up? Would love the carbon layup on the inside
Totally flexing
A few more subs and he'll be able to afford some books.
i do have the same handlebars, with more than 4000 km mileage, no problems so far, and im pretty heavy, around 105kg right now, was at 120kg when i mounted the handlebars, gotta say the bars handled themselves very good.
Congrats on the weight loss! That is seriously impressive!
Amazing weight loss, congratulations! Keep it up!
Congrats on the weight loss! I had these handlebars when I was also around 105kg and no problems for around 600km. Then I got a new bike with better handlebars and never switched to these.
I think it's a QC issue, like he said in the video if they have lasted that long they probably are OK. Too risky for me, this _specific_ component.
My dad has the same handlebars as well. So far with 1000km on it and it still runs very well.
Looking at the failure, the design isn’t great either. To minimise stress raisers, the bars need a more gradual transition from round to flat. The cable feed hole is right at the high stress area, perfect crack propagation point!
If we’re to buy similar I the future, I would check the design more thoroughly. Thanks for the video, great job!
Yes, those shapes are "counter intuitive" when you look at it with a designer / CAE eye. But 3T is making flawless handlebars, so it's possible.
@@stephanelouvet1113 Many things are possible but you need to put an effort to it.
@@stephanelouvet1113 it's because they copy the shape from a brand like 3T but have none of the layup design that goes along with it. In some case they just throw carbon into the mold, I had a friend who had a knockoff wheel delaminate and it turned out they were actually glass inside even. That's what makes these things so sketchy.
I think you've actually id'ed the problem there. The feed hole was the final nail in the coffin. The transition is too fast in the shape as you say.
To be fair, they were probably weakened from your immense strength whilst showing how strong they were
Hi Luke. Just a quick note to say how much I enjoy your channel. Your attitude and enthusiasm are refreshing. Too many people these days are squeamish about risk. Riding a bike is inherently risky, and you're far more likely to get flattened by a truck, than to come to any harm due to a failed component ! Keep up the good work.
The juxtaposition of the failure - in relation to the "QC Passed" sticker is priceless!!! Perhaps the early shakedown testing on safety-critical items - such as bars and wheels - is best done on a turbo trainer.
"QC Passed" stickers are a lot cheaper than actually testing
I've had a pair of these for a few years now and am really pleased with them. I'm a fairly big unit and they suck out a lot of the bumps of the road.
Did have them slip in the stem until I used carbon paste, though. (and I had the same problems routing the cables as you had... all good now, though)
Love your content please don’t ever stop whatever you’re doing. Cheers
Love the content and the quality of yours videos. Happy to hear you have a sponsor and i hope your channel continue growing up!!!
Oh, this is so funny. I just received the exact handlebars you are showing. Didn't even had time to install them and yes I bought them after seeing your previous video. I knew what I was getting into and I appreciate your effort you put into these videos. Thanks for your honesty.
As I've said in previous comments to your channel. You inspired my own cheap Chinese Carbon build for my own channel. Thankfully the only real issue I dealt with as of today was a slipping seat post. I've also had several sets of cheap carbon rims without issue. But I am constantly expecting something to fail and so are all of my friends. But I am glad I built the bike. It was a great learning experience if anything. Congratulations on your first sponsor btw! That's a big step for your channel. Thanks again for your inspiration and your continued content. I appreciate you.
Thank you for risking your life testing these products for us. You are a true hero Sir
It’s nice to know his name is still Luke
As always!
Hi dude!
Actually I finished my "Alibike".
Like you, I tried to buy parts with low cost and good reviews from sellers.
I managed to ride a bike with the Groupset Sensah Empire.
I am almost completing 500 kilometers without major problems, except for a small gap between the stem and the handlebars.
Congratulations on your videos!
We're always enjoying your episodes Luke
Great video once again Luke. Great to see you have a sponsor at last - hopefully the first of many, as your video quality/content is good. Appreciate your honesty with these busted handlebars too - just shows you need to aware of what you are actually buying, and take the risk with it.
Thankyou!!!!! I was just about to buy a pair of sunglasses! Cheers mate, really appreciate it😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Great content by the way! Love from Hong Kong
I love how the sunglasses are a spot that he doesn't want to risk, but the critical parts of a bike, those are fine 🤷♂️
especially since most cheap sunglasses offer UV protection just fine, and you can check it if you want to be sure.
Pretty much all plastic and glass stop most UV rays...
You don’t cheap out on glasses. Your body has only one set eyes. So don’t break them.
Testing cheap critical bike components on the other hand is the main point of the channel.
If a bike part breaks, you can replace them. Your body however is irreplaceable.
So like he said. You really have to test it yourself and manage the risk. If you’re uncomfortable with using cheap bike parts. Then go for the well known but expensive brands who stand by the quality of their products.
@@iMadrid11 I'm sorry, but in my opinion, I'd rather take my chances with eye wear than my chances with a frame or bars or some other component. The risk that I see in a component failure is much higher than the risk in eye wear imo.
Why try questionable glasses if you have a legit sponsor?
Great work as usual! I just took my semi-cheap bike for it first long distance check ride and it was great with the same handlebars too ! 😎
You're spot on at presenting and cover a niech topic 👍 Congrats on sponsorship
4000 miles on my Toseek Carbon aero bars now. Don't forget, even the big expensive brands also fail, spending big bucks is no guarantee you won't get a lemon.
A guy I used to ride with had a new stem break and it was from a premium brand. He crashed as was pretty badly injured. The company paid his hospital expenses and the damage to his bike as a result. That is one difference. You can hold a reputable company liable. The cheap knock off stuff, you are on your own.
@@DaveCM what company was it
They do, but the reports of failures on these are much too high for such a critical component for my taste. One really odd thing on AliExpress about carbon bars is that all the listings are new. It's of benefit to the sellers to leave a SKU up if it's a popular product, if it has a history and good reviews it will sell better. But most of the carbon bars up there are no older than a few months, and even then you can find reports of breakage (make sure to look at "Additional Feedback"- that's where they are, even on existing 5 star reviews). I suspect what happens is they take down and re-list when they get too many reports.
You do not see anywhere near this level of breakage reported on name brand carbon bars, you just don't.
@@jackenoph6422 expect no reply forever :P urban legend.
@@888899999888 No company will EVER EVER pay your hospital bills. Thats a complete hogwash story. If they did, they'll be accepting liability and opening themselves up for bigger claims and lawsuit. Not even after a crash, which is of course human error.
I've had these bars for about 300 miles or so now with no problems. I'm heavy at 200 lbs also. Torqued to just under 5 nm. Love the feel of them. Hope I live more...
sir is it still good until now?
@@unknownjyra1356 Yes, is still strong.
@@DirtyCityMick how about now? im going to buy 1. Is that still good?
@@hunghaviet5040 Yes, it's still going strong.
Yes that's good that is the limit of the carbon drops 5nm torque
Highly anticipated video installment. Ride safely on the road bro.
Nice work on the sponsorship!! The specs look good! Also, another great, honest video!
Thanks Alex, much appreicated!!!
Thanks for the review mate! My dad recently bought a Toseek handlebar as well and I appreciate it for you giving a heads up and honest review :)
Edits: More gratitude :)))
one of you, Adam in Pembrokeshire ... wait thats me! woot! 15 seconds of fame.
Adam, my man! Thanks again for the email about the bars!!!
Different brand of Chinese Carbon bars, but I had the same issue with 2x sets that I ordered. Friends have had similar issues. But then other sets have been perfect.
Classic hit and miss due to them having poor QA/QC!
Pembrokeshire is an amazing place to cycle
Mate you’re not a loser, your videos are super quality and very funny!
for this, I like your channel you show me what cheap parts are good to buy
I have had those Toseeks for 2 months and about 1100km and no issues so far, maybe I'm safe! Can confirm they increased the comfort and agility of my bike quite noticiably (not gonna lie, average 1,5-2kph more) so very happy with mine! I did put some really spongous and fat bar tape to help mitgate the bad roads we have here so not all the stress is filtered by the bars!
You're a cheap bastard. Purchase some actual handlebars. FSA.
@@ReneeNme i see no reason right now. if they ever fail me I'll just go back to the old aluminium ones.
Plus marks for the honesty and the follow up on previous recommendations. Part of the cheapness is the buyer beware but its good that you brought that out.
So glad you have a sponsor. Keep up the great work.
I always enjoy your videos Luke 😀
I genuinely love the content! Keep it up luke :)))
I love this channel now. saves everyone whole lot of trouble!
Your videos have opened my mind to Chinese parts, and are also very informative. Keep up the great work.
the second failure happened to me too. 4nm and cracked where stem attached. so sticking with name brands within uk shops now.
I commented on your other video because I've got the same bars, rock solid still I might add. The gamble with all carbon/thermoplastics is the same no matter whether they're made by a reputable brand or not. Because of the nature of their construction there will always be units that have defects. The main thing is that no one was injured.
In addition, there are 4 bands of protection on sunglasses, UVa, b, c and bluelight.
I bought a pair of them K3 chromatic lens and I bought them at 10am on the Wednesday and they arrived in Ireland from Spain on Thursday at 1pm ....... I've had them a year and they are brilliant and cheap .... the packaging is truly awesome
Of course this video comes out a week after I’ve ordered my Ali Express handlebars, stem, seatpost, and skewers! Love these vids btw
Bought the Specialized Short Reach handlebars (with 65 mm Reach) to compensate for my small hands and short upper body and honestly, ordinary aluminum handlebars are incredibly light.
I think it’s due to the damping properties and flex the bars give over rough ground rather than the weight. Good carbon bars are usually more comfortable over longer distances and make you feel less fatigued
keep up the good work and good luck in your new studio
Thanks for the tip very helpful
Yet again again an informative and entertaining vid. Well done! ( still think you're as mad as a box of frogs). Keep up the excellent work.
Oh noes Luke !! thank God you're alright :D I love the new K3 glasses :D
Glad you have a sponsor. 👍👍👍
Well done on the Sponsorship Luke...a guest slot on GCN and now sponsorship.......what next for Tracevelo?
me, watching this when mine come in tomorrow:
👁️👄👁️
How are they going lol, did they break?
How are your bars going?
SAME LOOOL
Are you still alive? Planning to get this. But i think its not a good idea? Lol.
@@ziggyzig5666 still holding strong! I've had no issues. I used a proper torque wrench to install - highly recommend.
Man, congratulations for the sincerity. Impressive.
I will stay away from cheap carbon steams and handlebars.
Well, that was a cracking good point of view. Thanks for being honest though.
Keep up the good informative videos...Aidan in Ireland 🇮🇪...
Balls. I was inspired to purchase these bars after your earlier video!
Hello Trace and followers. I built the same bike last winter (same frame, FarSport Wheels, bars and Ultegra group set). Happy to report that I have put 3000km on the bike and it has performed well. I do inspect the bike regularly and do my own maintenance.
NOICE! Good to hear some more Chinese carbon success stories! Glad you found my stuff useful :)
Your videos were terrific and inspired me to take on the project in a long cold Canadian winter. I'm glad I did it last year because prices of components and shipping have gone up significantly.
Winning ! Thanks for sharing.
Got the same bars (and same bike lol) and my bars have been great for 1000+ miles now, I'm 70kg so not so much POWAH as you guys probably. Good video though, love watching them :)
Man I‘ve been watching your content for around a year now and I‘m really happy that you‘re getting sponsorships now and features on GCN
Your content is super entertaining, informative and funny, you really deserve it!
Pete, thank you so much. I put alot of effort into these vids, and comments like this make it totally worth it!!!
Love your videos, more please 👍
After a few carbon bar failures of my own, I have gone back to trusty and reliable aluminum bars. The weight difference is really minimal and I actually like the more ridged feel. Yanking on carbon bars has always made me feel uneasy under hard acceleration, but with aluminum I can pull as hard as I want without concern.
had the same exact bars put on the chinese bike i ordered a while back after 8 years off the bike.as a born again noob i crushed them a little with them stem but i was still able to stand infront of the bike and lift all 210lbs of me off the ground with the hoods so how those bars broke under a fraction of the force.shows a huge spectrum of quality.
Awesome to see another quality upload Luke! Your vids gave me the confidence and know-how to put together two bikes this season.
At 12:00 mark, did you intentionally leave the shifter cables out for easier servicing or another reason? I'm installing my bars and considering just leaving them out as well.
It is the difrence on where the cables come from
Some stick out from the inside of the shifter but some from the back that can be wraped by the handlebar tape
Yooo, very interesting sponsor segment. I genuinely like that.
Thanks Yvan! I really tried to make it interesting, rather than a bog standard RAID SHADOW LEGENDS bit..
I just purchased k3 photochromic glasses. :) I never thought it would be cheap. Thanks!
This is why my toseek fork stays on the shelf and not on my hardtail.
I'm super sceptical about the quality.
Great video as allways!
I would be terrified of any carbon fork off road. I wonder about all these gravel bikes too.
I have Toseek bullhorns and 2 seat posts and I’ve had no issues. In fact I was surprised at how much stiffer these bars are compared to my last set of carbon bars. I think they make a nice product and the price is right.
Yeah I still have alot of love for toseek parts. All of the stuff I have ever fitted to my bike from toseek has been totally solid.
Awesome video! Scared the shit out of me as I bought these 😂 then remembered that I’ve done about 1,300 miles brakeless and fixed (meaning I’ve put alottttt of pressure on then) and I’m all good! I would recommend checking your stem as having as much surface area on the faceplate is great (I used a Thomson x4)
LOVE YOU LUKE
(Where the stickers at??)
Would love to see more videos on these handlebars as there's a range!
Congratulations 🎊 on a sponsored vid! I’ll check out the glasses 🤓
I can vouch for your sponsor, I've been using Sirokos for a few years they are great. I bought 3 pairs, 1 grey & pink and 2 all black....2 because I left my first pair behind in a train somewhere in Germany so I bought a second pair. And me being notorious with losing sunglasses, it's definitely a good thing that these cost as reasonable as they do. I'd cry if I had lost a pair of 100% or Oakleys.
However I do struggle quite a bit more than you seem to do with swapping out lenses, so I must say you have some skillz there.
Another cracking video Luke, really appreciate you adding a well balanced opinion and not just pushing an agenda like many others do.
I hope now that you've made it and are a glasses sponsored millionaire you'll keep your feet on the ground and keep looking for those bargains! Ps are this bottles of 'No more dirty bike' on your new shelves?
Congrats on the sponsor. Man’s gonna make bank.
Another banger! I had just bought some Vision Alloy handlebars ($20 US) for my new unbranded Chinese carbon bike, when I revisited your videos on your carbon bike build. I was then sad I didn't go for those Toseek bars, but now I feel much better about the situation. Congrats on your sponsorship, but let's keep those glasses stems OUTSIDE of the helmet straps. That's pro (so I'm told #allthegearnoidear). Also, as of this writing, 20 comments, but only 10 likes? Let's hit that Like button people!!!!
Thanks Luke! For carbon,I recently bought a 2022 Canyon Endurace roadbike. Great bike,love it!......I watched a video about what goes on at their headquarters in Germany. I'm pretty sure Giant builds Canyon's carbon frames. Giant scans carbon parts twice for any inner weakness.............and Canyon spent 500,000.00 for their own scanner and they re-scan EVERY carbon part and frame they build bikes with..... Canyon does all assembly of bikes in Germany. Frames come from Asia and Canyon then builds bikes.....so yeah,there IS a difference between generic-ish parts out of china,and buying from a bike maker who is dead serious about quality....and yet,Canyon bikes are known as a very good value for what you get.
I have a pair of sirokos as well and I'm really liking them so far!
Great you got a sponsor after all the hardwork. BTW, recommend to wear the glasses over the helmet straps coming from real experience when I hit the deck in the past.
Dude you deserve a lot of subs.
Got to get me some of those ks3 Wanaka specs
I like how the frames match your shirt nice match 👍
I just realized why the intro sounded familiar! Never knew you were into CSGO as well!
Lolol, you are literally the first guy to notice that, high five! **Flashbangs own team**
Congratulations on the sponsor!! Now you’ll look more like a cyclist and less like a lab nerd!😅
Thanks Bria. I spent ages waiting for a decent sponsor. I have had some really naff offers, from like VPN companies and stuff, but Siroko are a budget oriented cycle brand, so i kinda thought it would atleast be of interest to some of you!
Trace Velo I’m proud of you! This is right up my alley because I, too, wear lab glasses as cycling glasses🤓 I hope you get more and more sponsors because you produce such quality content! Thank you!
@@Bri-bl2nc THANKYOU SO MUCH!!! What an awesome comment, you've geniunely made my day!
@@TraceVelo Why is my reply with nuanced review about the siroko glasses hidden to other users? Just because I pointed out some negative experiences with them? Are you really censoring me?
Weird, I don't ever delete any comments, I always like to hear both sides of any argument. No idea why it wouldn't appear... ???
My personal favorite QA/QC sticker placement was on a Fatbike fork that had not one, but two sheared off bolts clogging up mount points. I am surprised whoever wrapped it didn’t flay their hand open on the thing jutting out. You’d think it would be a cheap brand, but it was on a $1400 Salsa frameset, so it can happen regardless of price point.
lol that was the best and most entertaining click-bait ever. Nice one. :D
Heat treated alloy is real! 😁
I will never buy a carbon bike or bike parts but I do enjoy your vids!
Can u do a review on cheap bike chains on AliExpress !
Please do a video on your two tone grips they looks awesome 👌
Congrats on the sponsorship!
Thanks so much Hardlydan!!!
I've had my pair of K3s for almost 3 years. Lenses are almost bulletproof. Great system.
I had a pair of k3s. They broke before the second ride while I was swapping lenses. I followed the directions and they snapped at the nose piece. I glued them back together to be able to ride that day. They wouldn't warranty them because they were "altered". Didn't matter that they broke first, the warranty was voided once they were glued back together. Terrible company, flimsy product.
Glad to see he's still Luke
Great you're getting a sponsor! You are afraid of wearing cheap chinese glasses, but not using cheap chinese handlebars? I'd probably suggest handlebars that fail catastrophically are more of a safety risk than glasses that don't filter UV! lol Love your videos, Luke! Keep making them!
my boi trace velo finna got that sponsoring dough! hell yiss!
I already bought my handler bar. It is in transit from China now. :( Thanks for this video I will check the status of the handle bar every ride.
Yeah just take it easy for the first few miles, and keep an eye on them like you say!
Love the QC sticker,made on a Monday perhaps
A while ago they compared original ray ban with copies in different price ranges. All were 100% uv protective. Difference were in the quality of the frame. Don’t be scared by sponsored UV anxiety.
Ok fair enough, interesting to hear!
@@TraceVelo Actually all polycarbonate glasses are UV safe due to the natural property of polycarbonate to absorb UV light.
Care about the real glass glasses from china as those are known to not use UV filters to save cents and are therefore a possibly dangerous product.
View the chart in the link to see how different plastics do in the UV range.
i.imgur.com/XLFeP6D.png
I bought same bars for two carbon bikes.. Haven't rode them yet, so so far so good....
Your bar broken yet?
Me too, I bought a set of Chinese carbon bars, that seemed not to bad and indeed, I rode them for quite a while, then one day, I was on the hoods and my front wheel went into a small pothole.. The bars snapped off on both sides of the stem and down I went. By sheer good fortune, I wasn't going fast and fell off to one side but still sliced up the inside of my left forearm badly, had I gone straight down, it would have been far worse. Next step was a new Ritchey WCS alloy stem and bars... Spare a thought for my mate he had a carbon seat post let go on him... 2 1/2 hours in surgery picking all the carbon out and patching up a certain area of the body...
Jees that does not sound pleasant, sorry to hear that. What make were the bars?
Thanks for your concern, no I wasn badly hurt, but certainly shocked...Who knows.. lol.... They were badged as “Time” carbon bars, and I thought them not bad ... but... always had that thought in the back of my head about if they ever let go.
And carbon is really sharp! No stitches but some long deep gashes inside my forearm.
Never carbon bars or stem again!
I wonder if toseek have become so popular that other manufacturers copy them.
phew was going to order these but ended up buying ec90’s off eBay- stress tested them and rock solid 👍
I've got a set of these and have been using them for the last year on my commute road bike. So far these not shown any signs of a problem after around 2000 miles. I'm not the most abusive to them, but I'll keep an eye on them.
These Siroko glasses are really worth their money,cycling fanatics guy recommended them a year ago!🤙 🍀
See if Siroko will let you test out a couple of their jerseys. They make some really cool looking ones that I've been tempted to buy.
I am owning one of them and I can say I am super happy with the quality and the fit. Especially when they are on offer like they are almost all the time.
very incredible about te sensah levers.
i got a pair of Micronew Levers and, i almost have them around 2 years with no failure yet.
congratulation on your first sponsor
I've bought some Toseek non-aero bars. Let's see how the quality is... My celeste coloured frame is on delivery now...
I ordered a set direct from China and were fine.... bought a second set from amazon and I could break them by flexing them.
You could argue that china has more QA than Amazon these days. Amazon will gladly sell you scam products with matching high reviews to go along with them.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I only wanted to replace the original set due to a crash... they didn't break but I just wanted to be sure. When I flexed the amazon ones I heard a loud crack. I eventually bought the original 3t bars as I love the profile of them and wanted piece of mind. To be honest tho the toseek copies I got from China are still in 1 piece and seem just as strong
@@billpickle2875 Yeah. People often think that branded carbon fiber is better than the Chinese stuff when...They're all made the same. Only difference is QA. A Chinese carbon fiber part that was well made will be as good and durable as a brand one. Difference is, you're paying for the brand on the latter.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino it seems to be the case. I have wheels and a frame that are excellent. However after hearing a loud crack I decided to remove the worry id spend the extra on the bars. I would have re ordered the toseek but the seller disappeared from ebay. I then saw all the rest of them as a risk due to the amazon set i got. Bars failing would be a complete disaster.
I bought the same bars. Put over 400 km on so far all good. Tried to flex and break them after putting them on and I still give them a test when I think about it. I think they're the most comfortable bar I've had so far. I also have used a carbon stem. They have a bigger clamping area than your average aluminum stem. I don't care what brand of part, I put on my bike, I will inspect it for imperfections. I think it is important, if I want a safe and reliable bike.