Giant Revolt Advanced vs Giant Contend AR vs Giant TCX Advanced - Episode 1 | Geometry Breakdown
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2020
- This is the first of a small video series I will do breaking down the difference between Giant's three most popular gravel bikes. This video focuses on introducing the bikes and doing a quick geometry break down of the bikes to better understand how they may handle. Future videos will be on tire clearance, gravel rides, road characteristics and road group rides.
Link to the correct Geo for the Contend AR: cyclingtips.com/2019/07/giant...
Giant TCX Advanced: www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bik...
Giant Revolt Advanced: www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bik...
Giant Contend AR: www.giant-bicycles.com/us/bik...
I actually own the Giant Contend AR and the Giant TCX advanced and I have access to a Giant Revolt Advanced that I can use for awhile during this series of videos.
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Really appreciate the details shared here and how it translates. Done in a better way than most here. Thanks.
Thank you for watching and glad you found it beneficial. I'll have my video on the tire clearance of the bikes uploaded in the next day or so.
Hey brother, you’re the man👍👍🙂🙏🤙I noticed all the videos you guys put out dedicated to this comparison series all the way down to tire clearance!! That’s a lot of work and I’m sure the community appreciates the comprehensive review of all 3 bikes👍👍👍A++
Thanks man! I really enjoy tinkering with bikes and I am always doing stuff like this so I figured, why not make a CZcams channel dedicated to my tinkering. Thanks for the positive vibes.
Nicely explained. Thanks👍
My pleasure
Great video. Learned a lot. Thank you
Thanks! Glad it was helpful!
Hey dude, just stumbled on your channel and I really appreciate your in-depth look into giants line up. I am a giant dealer and love learning from people like you! Definitely subscribing and hope to see more Giant content to come! Stay healthy out there dude!
Thank Devyn for watching. I will definitely have more content to come on Giant bikes and more. My family and I actually got into a car accident back in the beginning of March so I've been busy dealing with insurance and new car stuff so latest videos have been a bit delayed but will have more out this week. Stay healthy and take care. 👍
@@BlackWaterCyclist Sounds like everyone is okay though which is good! I actually have a question for ya though. I am getting my girlfriend an 2020 Liv Avail 1 equipped with Sora and rim brakes. What do you think the max tire clearance is for that bike? She does not like the AR models offered by Liv so I was just curious. Thank you!
@@devynshaver7489 Yes everyone was ok thankfully. Usually the largest tire a rim brake bike can take is about 28c due to the brakes having to go around the tire to compress the rims. Sometimes a 30c can fit in the newer shimano rim brakes if the frame allows it. With disc brake, that limitation is removed and it only comes down to the fork and frame clearance. I hope that helps.
thank you, i work in Giant shop and information is very usefull for me
That is great to hear! Glad it was beneficial for you. Thank you for watching.
Excellent video. You should have more like this for other manufacturers
Thanks Richard. I hope to in the future. As the channel grows, I should be able to increase the bikes I am able to test. What other brand should I do next you think?
@@BlackWaterCyclist I would like to see a video on Trek or Specialized. If you did one specific to gravel bikes comparing Trek Checkpoint, Devinci Hatchet, Specialized Diverge, Giant Revolt, etc. You would get a tonne of views.
Great video. I stumbled across your video and it was perfect.
I currently have a 2018 tcx slr with g one tires 35c and a 2019 giant revolt advanced with 38c tires. My question is would the new AR 1 be worth it as far as gaining speed on the road and going up hills than my other 2 bikes? Not sure it it would be enough of a difference or thinking about selling the tcx to purchase the AR. I would continue to use the revolt for all around riding and AR for 75% road, would it be faster than the tcx on the road?
On a side note I just bought my son the AR 2 because of other video, he loves it and the blue is gorgeous
Thanks,
Matt
Hi Matt, Glad to hear you enjoyed the video and found it beneficial. Since you already have the Revolt Advanced, I would lean towards the Contend AR as a "road" bike compared to the TCX SLR.
That blue is just awesome, one of the best colorways out there right now.
If you could go with the Contend AR for not much more money than selling the TCX SLR, then I would go with the Contend AR.
03:39 looks like old Hwy 20 @ Horse Ridge in Central Oregon
What size shoe do you wear and do you have an issue with toe/ front tire overlap?
Great content ! I'm 5'4 " 130 lbs. thinking about getting AR 1. You recommend getting XS or S ? Can I go wrong picking either or ?
Hi Thomas, thanks for watching. I would lean more towards the small with your height. Do you have a local shop that has any in stock to try or maybe they have a small Giant Defy to try since the geometry is pretty close.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Yes, we have couple bike shop here. I'm debating on which local shop I should go to, since one sells Giant and the other sells Specialized. I'm looking for a home shop with a nice family atmosphere. With that I will pick, which brand I should go with I guess. I new with all this, so it's all kind of intimidating. Some one have to teach me how to properly ride. I will be "that guy". Thank you for your advice. Keep up with the great content !
@@th0masvu Yeah I was going to say make a decision on which shop has better customer service and reviews because they are going to be the ones that will help you the most. Both bikes are so close that I would say lean that way on your decision. As far as being new, I was there as well in the past. I was so nervous to go to my first shop that I read up on what all the parts were called and everything so I didn't sound like an idiot. Looking back, I should not have been so intimidated and just ask questions. If the shop treats you like an idiot, don't give them business.
Hi! Do you think a defy advance 3 2019 will fit a 700x38 rim? Greetings from Colombia
It will not. I've tried at my local bike shop. 35mm is the widest you can go.
Hey what about the Toughroad GX? Does not qualify as gravel bike?
That is definitely a Giant Gravel bike. I am limited to the number of bikes I have access to so I could not get that one in on the video as well. As the channel grows, I may have more resources to add more bikes to videos like this one. Giant makes so many bikes that can be used a gravel bikes so I apologize for leaving that one off. I may get a review of it in the future.
Great video. Would you compare 2021 Contend AR 1 and Contend AR 4? As there is a $600 difference in pricing. Would of make sense for someone who is just starting in biking to go with AR 4 and upgrade later if continues either the group set or trade to a better bike?
I would recommend someone just starting to go with the AR 4 just because it is hard to spend $1650 on a bicycle when you do not know if you will like it or not. If you have some experience and you absolutely love cycling, I would go with the 1. I hope that helps.
Black Water Cyclist thanks for your honest feedback. Does it worth looking at used bike. I am coming across with two 2016 Cannondale synapse 105 vs 2014 Raleigh revenio ( in new condition) bought a couple of years ago and stored. Asking price is 1200 vs 1000 respectively. Online research suggest should go for Cannondale one. Any thoughts on it.
Sorry for the delay. Yeah used bike deals are really good most of the time. Occasionally you will encounter a problem when going with a used bike. The Synapse sounds like an amazing deal to me and I would lean towards the Synapse. The resell value will be higher with the Synapse as well. I hope that helps.
Black Water Cyclist no worries. I went with Cannondale synapse 105 alloy one.
@@bklynwam good call. How is it? Do you like it?
The tcx looks a lot like the new propel, i can see the new version of this bike going full aero gravel racing
Which one do you think will do the best for a gravel race?
Hi Manuel, sorry for the delay. That is a great question! It really depends on the type of gravel racing you will be doing. If you were doing something like the Dirty Kanza, I would say the Revolt hands down. If you are doing shorter Gravel races that are pretty smooth with some rough stuff but not too gnarly, the Contend AR. If you had a race that was shorter and had some real gnarly stuff, maybe the TCX with some 45c tires in it. There are so many different gravel events that it really depends on what you ride mostly. All three of these bikes could get the job done, just depends on the feel you are going after.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Well since I can't afford multiple bikes and the fact the wife won't allow it, I guess I need to focus on the Revolt as it appears to be the best of all worlds. Does that sound about right?
@@manuelespinosa8781 I would probably lean that way honestly if you are planning to do some longer gravel events or you plan to ride some really rough terrain. The Revolt probably spreads out the abilities a little more but will suffer a little on the road due to that. But yes I don't think you can go wrong with the Revolt.
Which Giant gravel bike do you prefer?
I would love to get the Contend AR.
@@argeelearner3978 it's a pretty amazing bike. Thanks for watching.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Can you discuss the CONTEND 3 road bike?
while I really would love the Contend AR, I think my budget only allows for the entry level bike, do you have opinion on that?
@@argeelearner3978 The three is an amazing beginner bike. The main differences in this build compared to the 1 and 2 is that it has the alloy d-fuse seatpost, mechanical disc brakes, and it does not have tubeless compatible wheels and tires. As far as those things, they can all be upgraded later so I would get it and slowly upgrade if you are tight on funds, or just keep it as is and just ride :).
I got the Contend AR after watching your full review on it. I've already out a Ultegra RX rear mech on it for more "graveliness" and plan on 37c WTB riddlers to get the full dual surface setup
How much is the weight of Giant Contend AR?
Hi Arif, in my longer review video of the Contend AR 1 I did a weight comparison from stock to a full build with different components (Sram Red 22). I am going off memory but I think it was around 21 lbs stock. I was about to get it around mid 17 lbs with lighter wheels, components, and groupset. You can save a lot of weight with different wheels. I hope that helps.
@@BlackWaterCyclist , Thank you very much. It will help.
Super bike Giant Contend AR . Thank you . CHICAGO 🇵🇱🚲🇵🇱🌍🇵🇱
Thanks for watching!
I have been looking at getting a bike to commute to work and back on, and do some dirt roads etc. never ridden a road bike b4, always had mountain bikes. I test rode a revolt advanced in a Large, and it felt too small, and the store owner said it looked too small for me, and I also test rode a Contend SL in a Large and it felt like a good size to me it felt quite a bit larger than the revolt Adv, so I ended up ordering a Contend AR in a Large (because the dimensions for the SL and AR were the same in the book). I'm 191cm tall, with an inseam of 90cm, and weigh 98kg. So I'm right between Large and XL, do you think the Contend AR in Large will be correct for me? I'm worried now knowing that the SL and AR are actually different dimensions.
Hi Jesse, Actually the large SL and AR are pretty close in dimensions and the AR has a very slightly longer top tube, only by .5 cm, which is good for you being 191cm. I'm 187cm and ride the Large so I think you are good with your sizing. You could have gone with either size. The revolt is the one that is very different than the others so you are good with your decision 👍. Let me know what you think after getting it.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Got told the Contend AR 1, was going to be another 6 weeks wait due to delays caused by CORVID19, so lost my patience and bought the SL1 in Large, very happy so far the bike store even fitted it with the AR 1's 32mm tyres for me, so its a little more like the AR 1, looks like there is clearance for a little bigger if I ever wanted it. Might get a professional bike fit so that its set up right from the start.
@@jessecooper6310 I understand and cannot blame you :). That is super interesting as far as it clearing 32c tires and maybe a little more. If you can, send me a DM on Instagram of a picture of the bike and also the tire clearance, would love to see it.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Yeah Ill send some pics, but will be from my wife's instagram account, I dont have instagram. I measured and the closest the tyre comes to the fork and seat stays is 6mm, and the chain stays is about 5mm, but its harder to measure accurately.
@@BlackWaterCyclist I wonder, did you also tried M/L ? Would it be too small, for you, or also ok ?
Hey guys what are your thoughts on Revolt 1 over Revolt 2?
Hi Safina, the 1 has Sram 1x11 set up while the 2 has the Shimano 105 2x11 set up. I would say that the 1 is strictly for gravel mainly due to the 1x set up. If you plan to do road rides with your revolt where you may throw on some other wheels with smaller road tires, I would say go with the 2 so you have the wider range of gears with tighter spacing between gears for those faster road rides. I love 1x on dirt but when speeds go higher, the 2x set up is much better in my opinion. I hope that helps.
Black Water Cyclist thanks for the info sorry but I meant between the regular Revolt not the Advanced line up
@@safinas5805 Oh I gotcha. Which country are you located in so I can check it out for you? In the states they only have 1 model for the regular.
@@BlackWaterCyclist I'm in Canada, here's the two links = www.giant-bicycles.com/ca/revolt-1-2020
vs
www.giant-bicycles.com/ca/revolt-2-2020
I was wondering if the Revolt 1 was worth the extra few hundos, I wanted something reliable, gears and brakes especially. But something that could easily be transformed from a gravel/offroad bike to a road bike by switching tires. But I'm also not sure whats the max mph the Revolt 1 could reach?
@@safinas5805 I see now. If you were to go with the Revolt 1, I would just go with the Contend AR 2 which is the same build but it has a carbon seatpost verses the alloy on the revolt which adds comfort. It can clear 40c tires and it has a little bit more of a road Geo that's great with road tires and with the larger tires it adds stability. The revolt 2 has a very basic crankset and groupset. I think the reliability will be similar between all the models honestly as long as you take care of the bike. I know that's not a definitive answer but in my opinion the higher end revolt is not worth the extra money. If you go with the high end revolt, then I would just go with the Contend AR 2. Does that help?
I’m new rider and new subscriber. How do these compare to giant tough road slr gx1
Hi William, so these three bikes are 3 gravel bikes that lean more towards a mix of road and gravel while the Toughroad is purely an offroad bike where it has longer chainstays and built for more stability. The Toughroad can obviously be used on the road as well, it just won't feel as quick or efficient as these bikes or road bikes. Does that help?
Black Water Cyclist wow. That’s interesting. That does help. I’m just confused on what need the toughroad satisfies. I was hoping I bought more of a gravel bike with 50 50 road and trail capabilities
@@wmendez3 I think the Toughroad is geared towards someone who rides on really rough roads, or is new to riding and not as confident with handling on rougher roads. I believe it also allows for more mounting points for things like luggage for bikepacking and more adventure style riding. So you are currently riding a Toughroad SLR GX1? Giant really has so many bikes that are considered gravel that it can get confusing. Maybe I should do a video explaining all the different gravel bikes Giant offers.
Black Water Cyclist thanks so much for the quick replies. There are a few of us that picked up riding this month. I’m going to highly recommend ur channel. I bought a 2019 giant slr gx1 for 750. I bought it with the intention of it being a 50 50 gravel and road bike. Is there anything I can do to make it more neutral to those conditions? I can always sell it and go for the revolt 2.
Black Water Cyclist also in addition to my last question. I just wanted to let u know that I’m brand new to riding. I haven’t been on a bike since 2002. I plant on using the bike probably a little more for road than trail. About a 60 40 split. I was looking to be under 1100. The 2019 slr gx1 prices new at 1300 I believe. Thanks for the feedback.
Heres a link to the 2020 Giant Catalog issuu.com/gfort/docs/giant_my20_sourcebook?fr=xKAE9_zU1NQ&fbclid=IwAR1BO99kvf7l3yU5oq90Yk998vPVq-vyC08OBqFwJXxGAHxvdOuWiH9EiD8
Hey John! Thank you so much for the link! I will add it to the description.
Bought a giant content 2 the tyres were crap had to buy new tyres contental.
That is the best upgrade for the Contends. How are those Continentals treating you?
Good but I don't know why there is a vibration still on gravel roads
I don't really like that bike makers have moved to carbon or aluminium frames. To me the good old chromoly steel is the better material, cause I believe it will last longer
Yeah I actually like all sorts of materials but yes Steel and Ti will last the longest and be able to withstand side impacts better than carbon or aluminum. That is a big reason I like my gravel bike to be titanium.
Without coming off as condescending or even insulting, why should we be concerned with a 4mm difference in the geometry of the bikes. It seems such a minimal difference.
Just genuinely curious
Hi Javier, that is a great question and I appreciate you asking. The main reason I went over the geo of the bikes was just to discuss the background of how they handle. The TCX has a 20mm taller bb than the Contend AR. That's pretty significant when it comes to pedal strikes. Also the chainstay is about 8mm shorter on the Contend. The Revolt has a slack 70 degree head tube angle vs steeper 72.5 of both the tcx and contend. So there are some differences in there that may rule one bike out for someone based on those small but important differences. The reach and stack aren't much different between the three bikes but I was focusing more on the other areas that I have mentioned. Does that help? Thanks again for asking and you didn't come off condescending or insulting.
well I'm a little disappointed to see what they've done for the 2020 models... a single alu frame revolt model.. everything else is the carbon frame revolt advanced models :-/
Yeah I'm actually very surprised by that because usually giant offers many models for alloy and carbon.