And you Dan. People who can't match pitch. Sometimes making growls while speaking. I say it's more Voice Doctor than vocal instructor. But then I love teaching jazz improv and finding different tones. Experiments I did myself. I'm so happy to refer to you Dr Dan for ideas and comprehensive exercises too
I zoned completely and missed it :( Oh well. I found this live hang-out interesting. The topic is one that is tossed around a lot. I'll have to disagree about blaming the record labels and recordings for placing the image of "can't sing" in the heads of people. Professional singers have been around for ages, and there is always the great ones that are spoken off and emulated. Singing, like artistry, is seen as a profession. Yes, people have a problem comparing themselves to others, but that is a personal issue to overcome as singers. I have seen people also say they "can't draw" as well. Drawing and painting are just as old as singing (though I think dance has the right to say it came before all this). But people who are insecure, who have been shot down and ridiculed use the talent of others as a crutch. They aren't really saying "I can't sing" (or draw or dance） but more like "I can't sing/dance/draw like THAT." Things like saying someone has talent is another crutch used to avoid the hard work required to sing the way they want to--like someone else. Every creative thing I have learned has come down to learning not to try and be someone else--to find your own voice (figuratively and literally). But it takes work and dedication. People also seem to confuse the fact that just because people don't like your voice doesn't mean you can't sing. Entirely subjective matter there. There are some singers whose voices grate on my ears, but other people love them! In order to improve, or to gain confidence, you gotta let go of those thinking patterns (hey...isn't this that whole growth mindset thing? XD) You can't blame the record companies, or the professional, or the people who work hard at it to sell records and have a whole marketing team making them look good. There are hundreds of amazing singers (and artists, dancers, etc) who never get seen by the public for want of proper marketing strategies. There are mediocre creatives who are making billions. It is unfair, but realistic. If you aren't looking to sell records and make millions as a cookie-cutter artist, then you shouldn't worry so much about not sounding like Ariana Grande or whomever is popular now. If you want to sell your story---get the fundamentals and basics down, learn and train yourself (get a pro). If you just want to have fun--then have fun! It all comes down to your goals. I do hope this video helps people stop saying "I wish I could draw/sing/paint/dance/play like that" and start saying: "Wow! I found a new hobby! I hope I can learn that technique/movement/song".
You date people's inhibitions about singing to the advent of recordings. But I work in one of America's oldest synagogues and I think historically we can date the founding of choirs here to 19th-century genteel women's uncomfortability with the screeching of boys (probably adolescent boys whose voices were changing). I'm not sure exactly how 19th-century Victorian "properness" and coddling of these genteel women's sensitive ears (lest they faint!), but the history of this is much more complicated. And although it is not politically correct to say this, there are many issues of bias (as you mention) involved. Church and synagogue politics and "reformations" of worship were very much involved in the formations of these attitudes.
Thanks folks.
You're welcome VIDEOHEREBOB. Thanks for watching.
Wow Nancy. It's exactly the same for me
Really enjoyed this one
I'm glad you enjoyed the video gene bradley. Thanks for watching.
And you Dan. People who can't match pitch. Sometimes making growls while speaking. I say it's more Voice Doctor than vocal instructor. But then I love teaching jazz improv and finding different tones. Experiments I did myself. I'm so happy to refer to you Dr Dan for ideas and comprehensive exercises too
I'll look up Nancy now
I'm glad you enjoyed the video Irene Robbins. Thanks for watching.
I zoned completely and missed it :( Oh well. I found this live hang-out interesting. The topic is one that is tossed around a lot.
I'll have to disagree about blaming the record labels and recordings for placing the image of "can't sing" in the heads of people. Professional singers have been around for ages, and there is always the great ones that are spoken off and emulated.
Singing, like artistry, is seen as a profession. Yes, people have a problem comparing themselves to others, but that is a personal issue to overcome as singers. I have seen people also say they "can't draw" as well. Drawing and painting are just as old as singing (though I think dance has the right to say it came before all this). But people who are insecure, who have been shot down and ridiculed use the talent of others as a crutch. They aren't really saying "I can't sing" (or draw or dance） but more like "I can't sing/dance/draw like THAT." Things like saying someone has talent is another crutch used to avoid the hard work required to sing the way they want to--like someone else. Every creative thing I have learned has come down to learning not to try and be someone else--to find your own voice (figuratively and literally). But it takes work and dedication.
People also seem to confuse the fact that just because people don't like your voice doesn't mean you can't sing. Entirely subjective matter there. There are some singers whose voices grate on my ears, but other people love them!
In order to improve, or to gain confidence, you gotta let go of those thinking patterns (hey...isn't this that whole growth mindset thing? XD) You can't blame the record companies, or the professional, or the people who work hard at it to sell records and have a whole marketing team making them look good. There are hundreds of amazing singers (and artists, dancers, etc) who never get seen by the public for want of proper marketing strategies. There are mediocre creatives who are making billions. It is unfair, but realistic.
If you aren't looking to sell records and make millions as a cookie-cutter artist, then you shouldn't worry so much about not sounding like Ariana Grande or whomever is popular now. If you want to sell your story---get the fundamentals and basics down, learn and train yourself (get a pro). If you just want to have fun--then have fun! It all comes down to your goals.
I do hope this video helps people stop saying "I wish I could draw/sing/paint/dance/play like that" and start saying: "Wow! I found a new hobby! I hope I can learn that technique/movement/song".
Yes, Michelle. You don't need to be the best at [type skill here] to participate and enjoy its many fruits.
What is your thoughts on phrase people say tighten up your buttocks when you sing
You date people's inhibitions about singing to the advent of recordings. But I work in one of America's oldest synagogues and I think historically we can date the founding of choirs here to 19th-century genteel women's uncomfortability with the screeching of boys (probably adolescent boys whose voices were changing). I'm not sure exactly how 19th-century Victorian "properness" and coddling of these genteel women's sensitive ears (lest they faint!), but the history of this is much more complicated. And although it is not politically correct to say this, there are many issues of bias (as you mention) involved. Church and synagogue politics and "reformations" of worship were very much involved in the formations of these attitudes.
Yes, Ira. We may have over-simplified it to the point of error...certainly not our intention.