Why Palpatine Always Wanted Darth Malgus As an Apprentice [ANALYSIS]
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So you think Malgus would beat Vader? I think you should make a video on topic wich one of them is more powerful.
And what you said about ROTJ at the end here is why it’s my second favorite movie in the series 💪🏽💯
Yes
Liked this format, good vid as always
Out of all the ancient Sith Lords, I think Darth Sion is the one Vader would most align with since he often used his own suffering to fuel his connection to the Dark Side.
Darth Sion is so badass man … truly great
what about if Nihilus took him on as an apprentice? the outcome in my opinion especially if he were to live through to the other side would be incredible… but not to mention, unbalanced.
I agree man. Sion and Vader were fueled by self hatred.
He literally kept himself together.😮
Malgus killed his wife so he would hate himself thereby fueling his anger
Something I found about Malgus, from what I've learned about his story from his appearances in SWTOR, is that he very much embodied the last line in the Sith code, "The force shall set me free." So much of what he did was to secure and preserve his freedom, especially when he was under the control of Darth (or empress) Acina, but also with the Dark council as well as Tenebrous/Vitiate/Valkorion.
I also think that if Malgus and Sidious were in the same time period, and were to meet, Malgus would hate Sidious for his lust for power. He would sooner kill Sidious than agree to learn from him
I’m pretty sure that Malgus would have hated Sidious more than even the Sith Emperor considering that Sidious could be even more petty and unbelievably cruel compared to the Sith Emperor. Malgus in a weird way was a ultranationalist in the sense that he believe those who are strong in the Force should be in the Sith Order, while Sidious was a hoarder of power who didn’t believe anyone should have this great power except only him.
Sidious wasn't against having a sith order tho. He was only against those in the sith (or dark siders in general) who he considered weaker than himself, but who wanted take his position as sith emperor. Examples of this are maul and savage, and helmet vader. However, sidious was seemingly excited af to have a full potential anakin take over, same with luke when it appeared that luke could be swayed to the dark side. Basically, he was a staunch believer in the sith rule of 2, and as long he or some dark sider greater than him was leading the sith he didn't care. Sidious was all about advancing the sith empire, not just himself. Vitiate on the other hand was motivated purely for his own selfish goal of becoming immortal and living to the end of the current universe and beyond.
Stayed til the end, y’all, and LOVED it! I would love to see a psychological breakdown of Palpatine choosing, training, using, and destroying all of his “apprentices.”
The jedi and sith are so similar in terms of not letting emotions stop them from gaining more power but the difference how they ise the power and in this case anakin was bad at using his power to its full potential on both sides because of his emotions so its kind of funny that anakin is used as a device to show us the light and dark is the same(this is what im thinking the writers are trying to teach)
I actually really love the concept of how close the Jedi and Sith are in their ideologies. It’s something have always said that The Jedi preach not having attachments, and yet they’re strongest attachment is the Padawan and master yet if you want to see true detachment look no further than hell the Sith operate with master apprentice. Yes, in many cases, especially some of the earlier rule of two there is a stronger bond between them very much akin to the master and Padawan in the Jedi but as the set apprentice gets older and grows in their power, they become more detached as opposed to attached to their master like the Jedi Padawan.
"You failed to see what was right before your eyes. Darth Nul was no Child of the Emperor. She was the first. The Mother of them all. Darth Nul created the Children of the Emperor. She hunted the quarry, broke them. Indoctrinated them. His power, his will, but her methods, her inventions… until the Emperor no longer found her useful"
Malgus regarding the former jedi master Raniah turned sith lord Darth Nul who had a unique ability to form mental connections to other force sensitives across the galaxy, she believed that anyone who could feel the Force deserved to be trained in its use and alongside her follower were expelled from the order due to her ideas being deemed dangerous, unfortunately she mistakenly made contact with Vitiate who sent his forces to pursue her and bring her to him where he eventully turned her.
Malgus had a similar belief in what become of the sith as Bane did in his era. Similar reaction too.
Revan saw it before
I love Darth Malgus he is one of my favorite characters in star wars i really want to see in the acolyte series
Please NO !!!!!
I would hate to see what Disney would do to such a awesome character.
@lordofpain3476 .beo completely agree and is also the reaon why idont want DISNEY to do a palps origins or him.and Plagueis in a movie or series
They wud destroy .Malgus would probably be chsbgwd from a bad ass sith warrior to aome over emotional idiot who is in the middle of a crisis where hes wants to be a woman or some BS
Darth Bane and Darth Malgus should be 100% hands off .
Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if they use a story line from revan and ruin it..
No Malgus, no Revan and no Bane. None of these where around at the time the Acolyte plays in
I think that your points on Vader’s power and focus were really interesting. I always knew that internal conflict weakened a Jedi’s connection to the Light Side, but lately I’ve begun to feel that there is actually a set of mindsets (and maybe emotions) that dampen one’s overall connection to the Force, regardless of alignment.
The true reason for the ceasefire was to advance Vitiate’s ultimate plan. His real goal was to replicate the ritual of Nathema on a galactic scale. The war was always a vehicle for accomplishing that. So when the war effort began to stagnate and then drain resources away from his real plans, Vitiate switched tactics. He brokered an advantageous truce that allowed him to consolidate and get closer to his goals. That’s the big reason Malgus went rogue. He realized that the Empire was all just a sham to feed Vitiate’s ambitions for godhood.
Ah! Thank you!
Do we think Sidious knew what happened to Darth Malgus' wife? Because if Vader says he couldn't find the info on her fate, it would have had to be because Sidious didn't give him that knowledge. Which would be the antithesis to what he was trying to do by giving Vader his journals
It doesn't really matter , she was not worthy of a Sith Lord .
New drinking game every time wave says “…right” take a shot good luck
Brilliant video 🎉
huh 45-min video about ancient Sith Lord?
YES! 🤩
What would have become of Anakin/Vader if he had died on Mustafar? Given what he seems to have become in Ahsoka, could he have done the same if he had died earlier? If so, what would he be like? If not, what would have happened to him?
I’d love to see a video exploring this.
Great content Stupendous. Your energy is a little different when guests are on, but I'm feeling because the conversation is fluid and you both wanna be thorough on your responses to one another. Definitely didn't feel scripted, Felt more cerebral. Nice.
Oooh, a big 1 this time,
I'm looking forward to this! 🍿
So for those like myself who are still playing SWTOR, with what we know in the rest of Legends, what do we think will be Malgus' ultimate fate in Lagacy of the Sith? Other than his most likely death.
I reckon their going to milk Malgus for as long as possible.
well, he wanted Nul's holocron for a reason. If he doesn't divulge his intentions himself, they'll probably come out some other way
I absolutely LOVED this format! Most SW CZcamsrs bore me with this format, but y’all are absolutely perfect for my personal Star Wars tastes!
Yay! Thank you!
greeat vid. Vitiate wanted the peace ttreaty bc of revans influencee on him@@TheStupendousWave
I love this new format for y’all. It is oddly refreshing. I know I mentioned doing a similar analysis video to Cus like y’all did for Yoda and I do truly look forward to that. Another interesting video that y’all might consider doing is possibly comparing the views of, Qui Gon and Obi-Wan regarding the Jedi and the force. Because Obi-Wan is much more loyal to the Jedi order whereas Qui Gon was much more loyal to the will of the force. it would be neat to look at how, especially after the clone wars we see e-become a lot more dejected, and it takes the events of the Obi-Wan show (regardless of views or opinions on that show) to regain a love for the Jedi and the force, yet still be completely opposed to the idea of Anakin being the chosen one. I think back to the scene and reels where Darth Maul is talking to Obi-Wan and they both think that Luke is the chosen one and even up to return, Obi-Wan does not believe that Vader will ever turn back from the dark side.
Amazing video!
In my opinion I also feel the reason Vader went from I want to rule with my son to a part of him accepting that he will be killed and replaced by Luke is because He found out what Palpatine was doing with cloning and Realized how much bigger Palpatine’s plans were for the galaxy and the universe as a whole
Would love a longer discussion on Boba Fett or anything Mandalorians in general
Darth Malgus essentially went to Coruscant , beat up the jedi , took their lunch money and their bikes then stole their girlfriend and knocked her up .
The the Emperor says , ok that was fun............ now give it all back .
I can see why Darth Malgus got a little upset about that .
Keep making these. They are amazing
This was pretty dope you guys, keep em coming!!!
Thank you! Will do!
Loving your videos Stupendous! How do you think Kyle Ren would fair against his alternate brother Darth Caedus?
Thanks so much! I think Caedus would wipe the floor with Ren, we have a video planned talking about just how strong Caedus was!
Kylo would have been slaughtered and left for the bugs and birds to feast on .
Fascinating video!
These analysis videos are incredible
Really like this style of video. I still enjoy your normal videos a lot though, so don't stop doing those.
Any chance we could get a deeper dive on Rey in a video like this?
Great Video keep up this content
Very impressive!
Absolutely! You're the man for doing this!
i love these talks. love all the stuff
That speaks greatly of Malgus potential and current power level if he wanted Malgus as his apprentice around the empire maybe only surpassed by Galen Merek And Luke Skywalker yeah.
❤ Like this format. Discussion
This video was awesome the long format is really interresting and i have an idea of a character that you can speak of for your next long format video wich is count dooku
This discussion is Golden 👍
Mabe a little off topic comment but, i really enjoy your casual speaking voice here. As opposed to some videos when you have more time to add emphasis on certain things, can be a bit "grating" I recognize this is a backhanded compliment but... oh well. I still really e joy your content ! Your so knowledgeable and i appreciate!
Thanks for the tip!
Darth Malgus is the true Sith Emperor!
Wow!
Vader would never become like Malgus for the simple fact that their experiences were completely different. Malgus, when push came to shove, Malgus was able to what was necessary as Vader was not that's the gulf that's separates Vader from reaching that point and going beyond that point and further.
I always took the concept that losing a limb caused a loss of power was ridiculous. Why? Because of Mortis. The Ones never paid any attention to his cybernetic arm, his dominant arm, and on Mortis he performed his greatest feats. Likewise, Palpatine never considered that arm a limitation. Now, his injuries on Mustafar diminished him... but I think that a lot of his power was directed to keeping himself alive and mobile and functional. The focus and mindset angle, that's also important - he spends a long time drifting until he realises he has a living child.
As for Palpatine, I always wondered why he was so bullshit powerful, so much of an outlier without being the Chosen One/related to the Chosen One, or a mix of Light and Dark in the way that Revan was, or a world-eater like Nihilus and Vitiate. I think he was essentially a Meetra Surik gone rotten, naturally very powerful, but far more so by feeding on others on a vast scale; it fits thematically with his politician persona, his role as Emperor, his proclamations recently about how the hate of others feeds him... because it literally does. Hell, it fits with Byss, where he's doing literally exactly that.
a new suit like one of those neat tuxedo t shirts?
And what you said about ROTJ at the end here is why that is my second favorite movie in the series 💯
The old republic: deceived was a great star wars novel to read. Especially the story arc of Aryn Leneer, Ven Zallows apprentice, & wanting to avenge his death
Ont tho my about the Endor Vader Luke talk. Study the words Vader uses and what Luke says. Also read the comic where Vader learned about Luke from fett and goes to watch Padme’s death recording, her last words “there is still good in him” Vader heard that. Then when he talks to Luke on Endor Luke says “father I feel the good in you, let go of your hate” Vader not wanting to hear the exact words Padme said in her final breath changes the conversation. In psychology this is a known thing when someone his feeling lots of emotions but can’t process or doesn’t want to process them and has gotten used to pushing things down try to change a subject. Vader does this to a T. He changes and asks about the lightsaber, which is another rabbit hole once he puts it together that it looks like Obi’s 😢. Then they leave. It’s my favorite scene in all of filmmaking, and the comic where Vader here’s those words make it so powerful. They didn’t know then in the 80s to do it but Vader pausing and then changing the conversation make me think Vader is thinking about Padme and seeing her through his son and he doesn’t want to because he’s about to sacrifice Luke.
I love ❤️ this video this was amazing nice job very well done. On this Star 🌟 Wars Video good explanation too.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TheStupendousWave Thank you
I find it interesting how Yoda, Obi-Wan, Sidious and almost every one have told Anakin that he needs to let go of things but on opposite ends of the spectrum but for the same purpose. To be greater.
I totes dig this kinda discussion content without all the fanboy whininess. 🎉
I always thought they signed the treaty of courassan because the emperor never wanted to conquer the galaxy. He wants to prolong the fight so he can feed off the death and suffering.
while you spoke on injuries. He gave Maul his little respect for surviving bring cut in half by Kenobi on Naboo.
I've been a HUGE fan of Darth Malgus for years now!
Malgus is the best and he was the reason many started playing Swtor because he was so cool, thank you for the amazing discussion ☺
Hey stupendous wave i love your videos and in your opinion who would win fully turned dark side Yoda or full potential Anakin/ darth Vader? from what we know in legends
Malgus seems like very interesting character. He was a warrior. True warrior. He respected dark side,had enourmous success as military commander. He was extremely intelligent and capable. This is based on what i know watching your videos,listening to you all these years. I believe how much he hated bickering,behind back politics,weaklings and traitors in politics. We have those problems in our world too. He wanted complete win. You have to respect it. Despite dark side. Your comment of him conquering and looting Coruscant reminds me of Messi when he won World Cup. He worked so much for it. To add this😊Vader wasn't really fighting Luke on Death Star. He was going through emotions I agree. He was completely in conflict. When they're speaking on Endor you feel Vader's love towards Luke. And softness. Vader was full of pride towards Luke when he took his lightsaber. He complimented him. Very emotional, powerful moment. I liked it😊Watched for 16 mins. Then went to five mins to the end,curiosity. Yes, I think Vader is failed Malgus. Your next topic could be Yoda. Was he good or bad Master? I think he was good in general. Very good. He had his flaws,but the grew,learned from his mistakes. He saw what happened with Anakin,he sees what's happening with Luke. Beru says Luke is alot like Anakin. Luke becomes so much more like Padme later. Leila was always more like Anakin😀May the Force be with you too
Aryn Leener was Ven Zallow's apprentice.
I seriously have always wondered how Vader felt when he saw his son use Anakin's lightsaber and how he felt when he saw 3PO and if that had anything to do with how he fought.
In a comic, he remembered the time he built C3-PO when he saw him dismantled by the Ughnaughts
This exploration of Vader's inner turmoil really highlights the beauty and intricacy of the OT...
I never quite understood why Sidious didn't seem to give a kriff who lived and who died at the climax of Episode VI. But honestly, if Luke had merc'd Vader, new impressionable youthful apprentice. If Vader nerfs his boy, that would have proven his true allegiance to the Dark Side, as Malgus had.
Bloody brilliant, Papa Sheev Palps was. It's no surprise that he returned, somehow...
I would love a battlefront game but as the high republic era. And would love Malgus as a playable character
Is Malgus’s story expanded a lot in swotor? Or does the bulk of his story really just happen in “Deceived”?
And being that I’ve read “Deceived”, what’s the best way to learn more about Malthus? Unless it is only by playing SWOTOR?
Most of his story is in the game; however, there is a short story called “The third lesson”, that takes place an hour or two after the fight against Satele Shan and Jace Malcom in the cinematic trailer. There is also “The Book Of Sith” which has some pages of malgus’ war journal. The Book Of Sith is what links Darth Malgus to Vader and Sidious. The other book I can think of is, “The Old Republic encyclopedia” (well worth a look). I think the encyclopedia has things like the journal of Jedi Maser Gnost Dural, which contains insights of Satele Shan towards Darth Malgus, such as, her fear of Malgus and his power. You probably already also know of the 4 cinematic trailers and carbonate teaser trailer. There are a few videos on CZcams that cover most of the in game stuff along with everything else. Kind of like a malgus life summary. Lastly, currently waiting on the conclusion to Malgus’ story in game.
@@klue507 awesome! Thank you! I own book of the sith but have only read the first few chapters or sections. So basically swotor is the answer, got it. And u say there is a new game coming out with him?
And I’ll definitely check out that encyclopedia
@@Ethan_Lipsky no, not a new game. “Knights of the Old Republic II”. I think that’s what it’s called, I don’t actually play the game either, I do like malgus enough to hunt down his material though. Anyways his story is still current, I think the latest game up date was about Shae Visla and her nemesis. Shae visla is the mandalorian lady helping malgus and the Sith sac the Jedi temple in the cinematic trailer.I think I heard the conclusion to malgus’ stor will be early next year.
@@klue507 ah ok. See I’ve only played KOTOR and KOTOR 2 on the mobile version from the App Store, so I didn’t even know there was more to the story than that after Meetra Surik defeats Darth Traya
@@Ethan_Lipskymalgus’ story takes place after Treya, scion, and nihilis. The game is called “the Old Republic”. Good luck with your search. Malgus is the true Sith emperor!
So Satalie blast him..such huge Kotr fan and being her great grandaughter or whatever . Old palpy wanted Vader to be more like him.❤
This is great, I love Malgus and his Lore and Sidious admiration of him. I agree with your assertion on Sidious's feelings towards Anakin/Vader, they was definitely those of a proud creator towards their creation and him seeing Vader not able to get over the "Wall" and embrace the Dark Side fully was the final star for him to look to replace Vader. I think Sidious would be more skilled in utilizing the Force than Vader overall which would keep him ahead of him, even if Vader fully embraced the Darkside.
Honestly, I don't think the Empire could function with Darth Vader in control he doesn't feel like the type who could handle it at the top.
I hope you do a Marka Ragnos Analysis, he's one of my all time favorite Sith Lord's.
Disney needs to draw inspiration from the EU. There's so much material to work with. Id love to see a trilogy on Bane. I think it would sell well. Then again this is Disney, so Im sure they'll blow it. Smh
I always wondered why do sith lords always want a apprentice that is stronger than them or will be stronger than them just to try to kill them later if they get too strong and are scared that they will be overthrown
It's kinda a balancing act: it forces the Master to be as strong as they possibly can, otherwise they'll be immediately overthrown, while provoking their apprentice to do the same, or be replaced with one more powerful if they never reach a level above their Master.
Basically they're both always striving for more power, because if they aren't both constantly on top of their game, one will kill the other. Iron sharpens iron.
@@OctopusWithNoFriends but if they reach a level above their master they get killed anyways so you kinda just brought back up what I said
@@OctopusWithNoFriends ok
@@luiszx1385 Strength and Power are the end justification for the Banite Sith line. Survival of the strongest for the simple sake of power itself. If the Master isn't strong enough to be all powerful and nigh immortal, then the lineage of the Rule of Two continues. Long live the Dark Lord of the Sith.
I think Anakin is like Revan and Malgus.
Malgus been a terrible rule of 2 era Sith Lord. He doesn’t adhere to secrecy treachery or patience he would loudly establish himself the first chance he got. As far as his relationship with Palpatine it would go one of 2 ways Palps kills Malgus or Malgus kills Palps he would never submit long enough to be an apprentice. He is a warrior juggernaut that follows his own will.
To be fair Raven was using force manipulate against and trick valcoron into a treaty as the best solution
The Qui Gon Jin of the Dark Side.
Palp tricked Anakin/Vader. Palp sold him that he could save Padme from death, that was the main reason Anakin turned to the dark side. And after that happened, Obi Wan beat him, Padme died because of a broken heart.
Afterwards, Palp told him to get over it and learn from Malgus. Vader was like, "F U! I'll do what I want and keep grieving"
What if Vader were as big as Warb Null, but hits harder and faster than Malgus?
I really can't believe that Darth Sidous would want him to be his apprentice
I don't know jack about Star Wars since I've read nothing. I'm just old enough to have seen the originals in theaters.
Anyhow, much of what I'm hearing sounds like what's also been said here about Qui Gon Jinn. Even the setting of a flawed system that he's apart of is similar.
Maybe I'm just completely wrong but whatever.
In Swtor, I have my character show a lot of respect to Malgus.
This archivist would have a good voice for the videos
Stupendous Podcast?
I agree part of what makes Palpi such a dangerous sith is that he has a vision without end
but i disagree that palpatine cared about the dark side
I think Palp only valued personal gain and the dark side served that purpose
I feel like palp would have prefered malgus only because he was easily manipulated in how single minded and careless he was
Because vader was conflicted he was more difficult to manipulate
My friend unless youre gonna put a gif of aayla secura gyrating her hips for 45 minutes youll find it difficult to keep me sitting here for that long
Never get enough Malgus.
Malgus is a beast. Definitely one of the coolest books I’ve read
Who is Malthus ?
@@lordofpain3476 oops 😂
23:55 Sidious has the enthusiasm of the best hype man for Vader… But the worst methods… Lol…
No background music???
Summary. Vader needs counseling 😂
To be more clear, it seemed like he wanted a Malgus like apprentice. He pretty much wished for Vader to be Malgus 2.0
Enough legends lol
Day 336 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Here's a topic for you: is niman an incomplete form? Did the jedi order intentionally gimp niman out of arrogance after the disappearance of the sith?
You sound different. But in a good way.
Day 1 asking for a plagies and sidious discussion.
Maul vs dooku
😂😂😂😂 Funny thing tho is that Darth Malgus would kill sidious.
But the Jedi temple built on top of sith. Apology I'm annoying 😅
I prefer Darth Raven 🐦⬛
Malgus wouldn't put up with Palpatine.
Is it wrong that I want a long ass kriea discussion video
NNNNNNOOOOOOO
Palpatine and the Jedi order both became too politically involved. Doing so resulted in both republic and empire downfalls.
But That Sith Lord Was Way Before Palpatine Time As A Sith
Lies
He didn't want him as an apprentice becase they lived 3700 years apart 😂