Vettel & Leclerc Crash Analysis: Onboard Ferrari’s Styrian Double DNF
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IS THERE A FERRARI DOUBLE STANDARD? The point was simply to 1. show the onboard 2. challenge why standard Ferrari holds. Worked really hard to get F1/YT to not block this one. ACTUAL footage starts at 1:34 if you want to skip. Share the video & Subscribe if I earned it & you want more F1 videos: bit.ly/CYF1Sub
Yes there is
They let Charles say the car was trash but got mad at Vettel when he did it
I can only comment by saying "no comment"....
Double standard has been obvious for awhile. Hell Even Brundle went off on Seb for about 20 seconds because he got that mixed up, that’s a Croft’s level blunder right there. I would give Charles more leeway initially because he does have less experience than Vettel, but he’s been in F1 2 years now so I think it’s time we hold him to a higher standard.
Yo are you Russel Wilsons cousin or something
Agree with everything. Binotto publicly blamed Seb in Brazil but he says it's not the time to point fingers now. What I think is happening is that they knew since Brazil that they were gonna drop Seb and extend Leclercs contract so Binotto was just talking shit.
I didn't even bother going too deep there. to say it infuriated me is an understatement. once, okay maybe. twice, meh. but this multiple times he can't hold the same standard. If i was a ferrari fan I'd go crazy haha
it's not the same situation. brasil was a duel, with nobody around. here it is a start with a lot of car. leclerc fault, yes, but not a try to put his teamate in a bad position.
@@CYMotorsport ferrari fans blame seb for everything because he fucked up 1/2 championships in 2017 & 2018. that's why they turn a blind eye to all the good things seb does and bad things leclerc does. but they forget the problem is in Ferrari management. when alonso, Kimi and Vettel fails means there's something wrong in the management. not the drivers
@@mrnamlik1 its literally in the video, he publicly blamed Seb for the Brazil incident in 2019, but now that it was Charles' fault said that its not the time to point fingers. That clown will go and publicly blame Seb but not Charles
its obvious that binotto destroyed ferrari, 2 years and they are getting slower and slower.... its a joke. Binottto is going to get kicked pretty soon.
I feel sad for Seb, even if he does a lockup people will mock him, make fun of him and when he is involved in a crash its mostly him who will be blamed by the f1 community, as you said, turkey 2010 was a decade ago and people still mention it, the same with 2013 malaysia. Seb is just haunted by people who just hate hate and hate. All of these incidents and hate probably made him think twice for staying in F1. To be honest, its actually very very sad seeing all the time a 4 time world champion made fun of by cringy 11 year olds in the internet. Leclerc is a very great driver and is easily one of the fastest in the grid but he is going sometimes for moves that wont work.
I have (i think) a perfect explanation for that. The crap Seb keep getting from f1 community is bcos Seb is included in the "its cool to be hated" group. No matter what he do ppl will hate bcos its trendy to hate him. Other examples of that group are imagine dragons, golden state warriors, manchester city, christian laettner, cris collinsworth, novak djokovic etc. Now of course some of the names i mention have reasons to be hated but sometimes if ppl love them, it wont matter. For example, ppl hate Seb red bull dominance but very few complain about early 2000s schumacher and marlboro era mclaren. Opposite example: zlatan, chad 85 and t.owens (NFL) are loud mouth cocky bastard with big ego but ppl love them simply bcos they are popular and its not cool to hate them. Conclusion: ppl are sheep that follows the trends
Even i don't know what was in horner's mind in 2013, I mean seb was ahead of webber in championship, he was 3 times world champion, and he was faster at the moment. Why was they ordered vettel to back off instead of webber? It's still strange for me
Considering how much Hate Seb get I’d be worried of his mental health
Bowen Z everyone puts on a smile for the public.
@@vachangiriyapur6224 Dont worry to much. As long as his family life is healthy and we dont hear anything from that side, we dont have to worry too much about him.
Lewis on the the other hand who is also "trendy to be hated", if he ever loses his ungodly permformance he will get shit on from so many sides. With him being super active (and also dependent with his brands) on social media, it gets kinda serious.
Another Driver who is like Seb, in that regard (shit luck and family man), and who I worry a little more about is Grosjean.
Thirty seconds in and I’m already massively impressed by the video quality....brilliant job Cranky,keep it up mate!!
glad to hear my friend! had to switch it up they'd never in a million years let me show you this much onboard haha
@@CYMotorsport Yeah I'm subscribing this is a quality narrative of this incident. Hope more analysis videos are on the way. Keep it up !!
Agreed, first time viewer and definitely subscribing. This is quality.
The commentators definitely made things harder on VET when they mixed up the two cars in the initial broadcast. Plus, I think there’s a narrative here that is simply too tantalizing to pass up. That narrative: hot shot youngster Leclerc is the future, while Seb is an old man who’s skills are declining and is unwilling to yield. Never mind that Seb is not that old and his skills are not declining (IMO). I think that narrative plays into some of the criticism.
100% this. 1st race Vettel spun his car avoiding a crash in Turn 3 after coming in too fast, and wrecked his own race. The C4 experts (Coulthard & Webber) took it as proof that Vettel was 'checked out for the season'. After the first race.
2nd race in and Leclerc does an almost identical mistake, but wipes out himself and his own teammate in the first sector of the first lap. The only analysis of the crash was a half-hearted attempt to ask the question, was Vettel to blame for it..?
@Norfolk Enchants Once Brundle realized his mistake of mixing up the drivers, he (very sincerely) apologized at least twice more during the race broadcast. And he specifically said he owed Sebastian a huge apology for that mix-up. I agree that the initial mistake by the commentators was harmful and the impression it gave some viewers (i.e. “another screw-up from Vettel) probably won’t be undone by apologies, but you can’t just twist the truth and pretend the commentators didn’t realize their mistake and profusely apologize for said mistake several times during the race.
i think some of you are way too sensitive about whatever the commentators say about some of the drivers, they are paid to offer opinion in the heat of the moment and i don't think seb feels like they are purposefully slagging him off to the public or anything. in fact to the contrary i know seb has a good rapport with most of these guys and understands they also have a job to do which benefits them all as a whole even though he might frequently disagree with their opinions.
Agree to some extent about the overdone narrative, but Vettel had always sort of leaned into the narrative that he and his ego come first, regardless of the consequences. He's in relatively good company in that regard; Prost and Alonso come to mind. And Verstappen for sure.
there is definitely some Leclerc biased, and you can hear it they way they talk about him on media. it just sucks for vettel right now.
Seb's start was definitely not helped by him starting on the mediums compared to everyone around him starting on softs.
And you can see that he was being extremely careful to avoid issues.
Mattia Binotto is at fault, without question. Bad leadership, ambiguity within the team and drivers, endong up taking crazy chances... New team principal needed!!!
He was not meant to be a leader. He is a great Chief Technical Officer but I don't think the same about team principal. They should bring back arrivabene.
I usually don't come to that conclusion, but this time, I'm leaning towards it being nearly exclusively on MB
I still remember when Mattia came to the position, he said that the team was on an upward trajectory, especially in terms of closing the performance gap to Mercs. And in hindsight, we all knew what happened in 19 and what trajectory they have taken. All kinds of embarrassing mistakes, backlashes, and technical infringement. If 19 was still barely acceptable, and people could still defend MB for "giving this guy sometime to materialize his vision", then I think Austria 20 is suffice to defund that argument.
He is in over his head. He will get replaced after this season, watch.
T makabu Before the end of the season?
One thing I would also like to point out is that leclerc would always be mid pack on alfa and since that was 2 years ago its not like he had no recent experience of racing mid pack.
that's true. he knows how to get his elbows out and had a great record there
I mean its a Ferrari with what we've seen this year it might be a midfield car
@@DevinEMILE might be? well they were 1 second slower than last year so they are the 6th fastest car so far, thats obviously midfield.
@@PrefoX Hey man never know, maybe a magical oil drip will return
I think with this one, it's pretty clear cut that it was Leclerc's fault. Was too overly ambitious on the first lap and it cost him and Seb's race, not to mention all the race data Ferrari could have gathered that is desperately needed right now to somehow improve that car. I do think Leclerc immediately accepting the blame and trying to take any off of Seb is good, but I don't think either of them can afford any more of these incidents. I guess we'll see how much Leclerc did learn from this over the season.
He handled the damage very very well too. Very happy to see that. If seb was given the same grace, this may be a different team.
Obviously he was ambitious but there two things to noted that.
1. The real reason he was so despo is also because of a slow car. He knew his only way to gain some ground from 14 was the starting lap, where had he come out clean on 10th or higher he could have had good finish.
2 ) these guys at the top often do such mistakes when they start at the back ...they are so used to start from within top 5 and then accelerate quickly that when the strat from back with so many cars around and they try to act too smart . Not everytime but very often.
I'd have been more impressed if he'd managed to mention Seb in his apology. It seemed very weird to Voldemort Seb whilst keep apologising to team. Seb really needed a finish in Styria.
Maybe the oldest saying in racing, you can't win a race on the first lap, but you certainly can lose it. Where did LeClerc think he was going to be if he got alongside coming out of that corner?
LeClerc is a true politician on wheels. Just Like Senna and Hamilton. They talk with entirely different manner in the radio and in the interview. And they always manage to paint themselves as a hero.
Which I don't want to take anything from them because this is actually a very extraordinary skills and tallent as well
rockzs74r I don’t think he was trying to paint himself as anything here, everything he said heaped the blame on himself. I also think that every driver is much different in the car. Seb is a great guy but sometimes he does stupid things on the track (Baku). Not because he’s malevolent but because he’s caught up in the emotion of the moment. I believe we should give drivers a little leeway in their radio interactions because of that.
I remember in Seb's heyday, when he would seem to be on the top step of the podium after every session of every race weekend. He was a brilliant young driver in an Adrian Newey bullet. The only thing he seemed to lack was the ability to engage the fans positively. As his championships grew, it became fashionable for people to dislike him and when he got the Ferrari ride, he got another round of "you'll never be like Schumacher" hatred.
It really is sad, Sebastian is on the list of best drivers of all time, yet he has spend his career being hated and dealing with BS like this because he lacks the skills of fan engagement. There is no denying that Seb has done some stupid things (Multi-21, tire bump in Baku, etc) but he does get hate and does get knee jerk called out (like he was this weekend) because of who he is, and because of his dream to be Schumacher v2.0
I think you will be surprised to see how many true fans Seb has. Just because he isn't on social media doesn't mean he doesn't have fans. In fact, no driver spends as much time and effort as Seb does in engaging with fans on the paddock and through his mail service. Every fan of Seb Vettel is with him till the end. No keyboard warriors and fake fans at all. In my opinion, having a set of loyal people who love and appreciate the man and human being he is, trumps having a large fanbase. Lewis himself said that Seb is the guy he respects the most out of anyone in the sport.
I think Seb is a great guy, who like pretty much every champion gets cocky on track. But I think, because he cares a lot and loves what he does a lot, the hate and the more hostile environment that come with being a Ferrari driver, hurts him.
Vettel gets harsher criticism than damn near anyone on the grid (except maybe Grosjean). Drivers make mistakes all the time, so why overemphasize on Seb specifically, is what I always find myself asking.
Even the commentators are doing it.
ALL THE TIME. i just dont get it. I'm harsh myself on them all. Brazil was stupid but they both had choices. I just can't stand this whole he said sorry he's new blah blah. none of it matters if it keeps happening. at some point we have to question leclerc's choices in these moments. and then react appropriately.
Because he won 4 championships?
@@CYMotorsport
Especially since he's been given this contract. If Ferrari has put all their resources into Charles, then constant mistakes like this should not be so easily forgiven.
Conspiracy theory here:
I think this is in part due to him being German. As F1 media is very British they tend to have an Anti-German bias, Martin Brundle is a very good example for this; he is still butthurt about Schumacher in 92 and to this day claims to have beaten him that season.
Another example is how in British media it is always emphasized that Mercedes is a "British" team despite this matter being far more complex than that.
Vettel gets it extra-hard because he completely outclassed Webber who for some reason has a lot of fans.
@@TheYoshi463
I've seen this around. I won't say it's true, but if it was, I wouldn't be surprised. There's a vid on the F1 channel about Seb's Ferrari career and damn near all of it is focused on his fails.
I think LeClerc saying he got hit in the back is because his floor gets lifted up by Sebs tire and thrown into the rear of Sebs car. If you only feel the car move and not see the incident it's not that weird to think someone hit you in the right rear instead you hitting someone on the left.
totally can see that!
@@CYMotorsport You are drunk, aren't you?
People seem to finally understand what Seb is going through and I’ve seen much more sympathy after this.
Yes this really did a number to help people see this. I tried to touch on this with my 2017 video.He's trapped in a cocoon of controlling a narrative. we'll see what mattia finally says this week about it all. probably will be shitty.
Yeah, I feel like he’s held on such a high pedestal and people just don’t want to give him a break. I hope he joins Aston Martin and shuts everyone up
I'm a new fan, have been watching since last year. And idk what Seb has been going thru. Last year he received preferential treatment throughout, as he was the #1 driver. When Leclerc clearly was the faster driver. For instance Brazil, that was Sebs fault and he took no accountability at all. While here we have Leclerc stepping up and acknowledging 100% that this is his fault. And that's coming from a guy who is way younger than Seb, but still has the wherewithal to take responsibility.
I don't see anybody picking on Vettel. What he did at Canada last year, what he did in Russia last year, and ultimately what he did in Brazil. Leclerc is young racer, and sometimes as in Monaco can make some not so great decisions. But when it's all said and done Charles has been a team player, and in the Styrian GP he stepped up and took responsibility. Which are things I have not seen from the veteran Vettel.
@@doubleboy2388 Did u watch Last season then? Seb helped leclerc in spa to win the race. Leclerc screwed him in quali. In singapore sebs outlap was just mindblowing and leclerc was crying about it. In russia they screwed seb with the switch again. So i honestly dont know what u are talking about
Bobby Bonilla Bobcat lol you’re definitely new......
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@@CYMotorsport yeah feel you man as a Ferrari fan it sucks to see that they are underachieving
Binotto is at fault, along with his bad leadership and the fact that he hasn't led the team to produce a better car. The drivers can't be in that position, Vettel shouldn't have a car that gets passed by a Williams at the start and Leclerc shouldn't be forced to make every move possible to pass other drivers. I think that, while the contact was surely Leclerc fault, this wouldn't have happened without the pressure he is in every session. The car is slow and he has to try everything to move up in the grid. When you are desperate you do unexplainable mistakes and this is just what happened.
Vettel is easier to vilify due to his history as you stated with his RedBull days against Mark Webber. So yes, people will be quick to point the finger at him.
The whole incident was just bad circumstances really. Demoralising to watch the sport now with how its going.
especially ferrari. I'm not a fan of Ferrari so it's to look from the outside in and can see the pain this is causing and how it's truly avoidable
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In my opinion this was Leclercs fault.
100%
same mistake as Vettel last week
I would agree
I mean Leclerc made a dive and got inside, just kinda dumb to do it lap one when Seb has no room to give him space
@@DevinEMILE Yeah but he still can't even grow proper facial hair yet as he's still just a kid really. Hamilton was always a mistake waiting to happen in his early years so let's point out when he is in the wrong but also understand that at this point in his career he is going to make stupid mistakes. Hopefully he grows into a top driver who can challenge for World championships in the future.
I mean from what I've seen Charles definitely hasn't escaped any criticism. He's getting a lot of hate, not as much as Seb but that's because british media especially have turned a large portion of British fans (arguably the loudest fans) against Seb over the years. I feel like Mattia isn't as critical of Leclerc in this situation also because, well he's probably more hung up on keeping his job right now and fixing that car and avoiding getting fired, so his mind is probably always on moving forward as quickly as possible to save his job that new rumours suggest might even be gone next week in Hungary if he can't get a better result there.
Seb gets the criticism he deserves most of the time, he just won't admit it which doesn't help his cause, He was totally blameless in this incident and gets a fair reaction from racing fans who can judge each incident on it's own merits. It was Charles fault this week, Hamilton's last week, no need to take sides or you learn nothing in understanding what mistakes cause incidents.
@@mercian9425 yeah and I'm Irish so I'm stuck with only British media too. It's mostly sky that are very bias against vettel, lots of short films about his failures almost every week recently. And I'm not here to have a heated argument like you seemingly want, I'm just giving my opinion on the situation. So I'm not trying to "chat shit".
@@zoundsic I'm not taking sides, I'm just giving an opinion on the whole vettel situation in general
Seolferwulf there are a lot but your inherent British bias keeps you from seeing it
I just don't understand why people start hating like crazy when Seb makes a mistake and don't even care when Leclerc makes one. Not saying Leclerc is a bad driver, in fact I do think he's a great driver and a potential world champion if Ferrari can give him a car to work with but Seb just gets way too much hate than he should be getting.
Yeah, they have their nose upto leclaire's butt. Takes time to get out of it they say.
that's life at ferrari though, one minute you're a national hero the next you are the worst thing to ever exist lol.
It’s simple. Leclerc has a pass for being young and unexperienced. Vettel lost that pass MANY years ago. Just compare Vettel’s run at Ferrari with Alonso’s. Both failed to win the championship but the later didn’t screw up his chances as Vettel did SO MANY times. That’s the only reason why he is being replaced by Sainz.
It's Ferrari's fault they don't manage their drivers like Mercedes does even if Ferrari had the best car on the track you're still talking about two alpha males in the same car, Senna and Prost, Hamilton and Rosberg how did that work out.
agreed 100%. You already know my position on 2 #1's Paul haha it can totally be done but with the correct leadership only.
@@CYMotorsport you have an aging but capable driver on one end, and you have a young fast driver that in my opinion just as fast as Verstappen and yes the new generation of Formula 1 drivers. Vettle when you think of it his decision to go to Ferrari would not have mattered, he could have stayed at Red Bull both cars would not have been fast enough to get him another championship, Leclerc he's at Ferrari Ferrari Ferrari how many drivers get to say that the pressure on him to succeed is nuts.
But Hamilton rosberg worked at the end, Mercedes did win the WCC.
@@klyplays Not really they had the dominant car they would have won the Constructors title anyway. You can say they were cool in 2014 but after the hat throwing incident in 2015 they were not friends, but that wouldn't matter either the car has been and still is dominant..
Hamilton and Rosberg where good together in my opinion, I don’t remember when but I think it was Chainbear. He made a video and in it he says that Ham and Ros scored more points and more 1-2 finishes then Bottas snd Ham
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100% agree with you. This is all Leclrec and funny it reminded me of Monaco 2019. This entitled young man who has his head full of the air Binnotto and his people blow into it cannot handle being in the midfield as a Ferrari driver. The team needs an overhaul and I don’t see them coming out of this in a while. TBH I have been a Ferrari fan since the 90s went through the ups and downs. Disappointed in the Alonso years and with Seb things got better. The way that they have treated Sebastian over Leclrec just shows me they are looking for a a brand driver, who they are lucky is a talented one (but still has A LOT to learn). Dispatching Seb with no negotiation when he’s the driver that has brought them closest to the title in years shows the ungrateful culture of the scuderia. I’m taking off the red shirt this season.
They want to be the best, but are giving the drivers either, if you believe the rest of the field ' illegal cars' or just flat out slow cars, that have little to no chance to win especially with Merc just dominating all aspects of the sport
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Leclerc might be a good driver however he seems prone to getting involved in accidents,i am not saying he is to blame for them all just that he is prone to getting into them.
Verstappen was too his first seasons, they didn't call him Crashtappen for no reason :)
@@Moribax85 The judges are still out on Max lets see if he can get through this year without having a stupid accident that can be avoided,so far he has done okay the move Bottas put on him a few years ago would have ended up in a crash.
@@dantheman9228 that's exactly the point: they're young and lack experience, so stupide accedents are somewhat normal, give them time and they'll mature :)
You could say the same for vettel. Sainz crash 2020 Austrian GP exact same place and same mistake as leclerc. 2019 silverstone where he punted max. 2019 monza where he spun and then hit stroll. 2019 brazil where he hit leclerc after moving across into him. 2019 bahrain where he spun after being overtaken by Hamilton
Excellent breakdown
I also noticed the Monaco similarity. He also did it in the virtual racing series where - granted, the impacts weren't as big, but I still think it shows his racing personality. When starting from a position lower than he'd like, he's very, very eager to pick up positions in any method possible, which leaves him susceptible to collisions or issues.
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Great video bro. Also I heard Sebastianight go back to Redbull, is this true.
Now that’s a format I really like! Short, concise, with the onboards and everything 👌🏼 To add my thoughts, yes he messed up and he’s a fault, even though Seb did have some space left to the left, and you can see him abruptly turn his wheel to the right, on purpose? What’s he got to lose? If you remember him at RedBull in his winning years, he was a pretty harsh driver, even salty, maybe some of it is coming back now that he has nothing to lose at Ferrari. Anyway, Leclerc will learn that when he’s going all in from the back, to judge situations better, he’s only starting his career and has proven many times he has the skills needed to perform when needed to, just like in the first Austrian gp. Ferrari doesn’t have a double standard since Leclerc has brought way more to the table since 2019, plus they don’t have the performance they need anyway, desperate times require desperate measures
Good job 👏🏾 was thinking the same about leclerc in monaco 2019
I leaned my lesson from my first F1 wars in Suzuka haha but Monaco is always a good one. I’m considering doing my favorite races but when I’ve done them in the past they don’t do well. I don’t think people care too much about older events unfortunately
You see, the main problem is that Binnoto just does not live up to the standards. The best thing they can really do, is bring back arrivabane. Why? Because he delivered championship winning cars. Yes maybe 2016 wasnt great, but 2015 brought back 3 wins, so as much as its oviously leclercs fault, it should also be Binnoto to blame to. ( BTW, i subbed to you on 2 different accounts Nick, thanks for the uploads, and your 2017 reveiew was AMAZING)
I think we should all remember that Leclerc is still growing as a racer. That was obviously a stupid move considering it’s on lap one but all of the greats have made such decisions at some point in their career. I’m not defending Charles, I’m just saying he shouldn’t be overly criticised. Loved the analysis as always bro 👊
I dont know, Seb is still being blamed for 2010 turkey to this day... that was his 3rd season in F1 and people are making it look like he killed Webber, i think Leclerc isnt getting as much criticism as some other drivers would.
glad you liked it! I think it's an honest assessment - and if applied to Seb I'd agree but it never is. I would call any racer in Formula 1 mature as a driver. Seb was in F1 as long (just about) as Leclerc at the time of Turkey. Didn't read one article white washing the incident due to his inexperience. "Whataboutism" is a shit argument I'm the first to admit so i'm not proud of my own angle here but I have to in order to hopefully snap Ferrari fans out of this lull. Neither driver is bad or damaged. They should have stuck with the line up but the last thing was to create enemies. this stuff will persist now. Binotto faning the flames allllll the way!
Wakanda Foreva Firstly love the username 😂. And secondly really? I haven’t heard of it a lot recently. If so then we should also look at how they reacted to the incident. Leclerc accepted responsibility for his mistake whereas Seb made gestures towards Webber basically saying he’s crazy.
CrankyYankeeF1 You’re assessment is spot on Nick. Apparently Briatore was saying that he would have fined both Charles and Seb for that incident even though it was Charles’ fault. But I think that has to do with more than just that incident. He said that the team comes first.
@@BMPHF1 How the hell is Seb supposed to avoid that though, to me he was just a passenger! Also his slow get away is because he was on the medium tires, which are much harder to get upto temperature and offer less grip than the softs. Infact I feel Seb would have had a brilliant race just because of the advantage he would have had with the medium tires!
I don't think Seb actually ever saw Leclerc coming. Seb's slight turn back to the left was more likely a reaction to a bit of oversteer. This is quite feasible because its the opening lap, with full fuel and traffic so Seb was probably still getting a feel for the car.
It's like what Driver61 (another channel) said, Seb was probably focused on the apex at that point of the turn so he never had a chance to see Leclerc coming.
Other than that, completely agree with everything you said. Great analysis.
Driver 61 is phenomenal. I usually would just say go with him haha but of course I’d have to see his take. To your point it doesn’t change the narrative. Thanks for the input and the view!
@@CYMotorsport I think the narrative is more messed up then people are willing to admit. Most of Seb's mistakes seems to be small lapse of focus, hence the spins ,lock ups or small contact at almost 300 kph, yet he receives so much hate. Whereas Leclerc's mistake seems to be an over aggressive nature when he is trying to prove himself, hence the risky moves in Monaco and now where he is desperate to prove a bad quali was just bad luck. Leclerc's mistakes are probably a lot more avoidable yet he only receives a fraction of the blame compare to Seb. Yep that's double standards, both in Ferrari and the f1 community in general.
I'd love to hear your opinion on Albon/Hamilton touch from Austria 2020 (round 1, obviously). Keep up this awesome content!
I think the whole environment at Ferrari needs to change in order for them to succeed. They are to resistant to calling out problems where they exist and put far to much stock in only one driver, and their response to this incident is just an extension of that. While I believe the main reason they are off the pace this year is because of their deal with the FIA about their engine, everything about the team seems too rooted in tradition and they are unwilling to change for the modern realities of F1.
A very good comment, but there's an inherently shit strategy in Ferrari which I fear will always stay, created by Enzo himself since the days he fitted tractor clutches in his road cars...... underhanded cheaters from the beginning.
I love you man! Great content and the video is on point and shows how everyone is thrashing Seb for every single mistake! I’ll be counting Charles’ this season!
Nice break done of the torpedo,,Very clear,,
I don’t always agree with you bud but excellent work from you always and on this one, you’re spot on.
I can explain why there is the double standards.
Vettel crashed into his team mate both times.
His car was competitive both times.
Leclerc on the other hand either crashed into his team mate or had a competitive car.
Moreover, for Leclerc, Monaco was seen as him trying to make up places quickly and go up the field. Whereas for Seb, they were already as far up the field as they could be and there was not a lot to be gained for the team.
However, I completely agree with you. No excuses. Mistake is the same.
Thank you🤟
Glad you enjoyed!
Glad I found you. This is really good stuff even though I’m not Ferrari fan lol
Glad you’re here!
Charles is a talented driver and he and max will give us years of battles to come but right now needs to deveople some maturity. I feel he is the cause of the rift between him and seb and if he had just accepted last year as a learning year at Ferrari they could have avoided the driver issues.
Seb is crazy to think that a competitor wouldn't go for the opening he left trying to keep cars on the outside. We're talking midfield first lap, where desperation reigns.
That is an interesting point. I’ll tweak it to say where desperation reigns in a winners mentality. Otherwise it’s a vicious cycle of “mediocrity” that serves matching driving skill. But when talents exceeds machinery, it’s a death kiss.
Drove Alonso to scandal after scandal. Drove Hamilton to tweet telemetry data. Michael nearly killed Barrichello. Prost retired all together for a season. Kimi left the sport for a bit. Nando then Quit outright and came back. Corroded Seb. Nearly ruined verstappens career. And seems to have been hitting Leclerc now. Some of the most competitive people on the planet in a car they KNOW they can’t win despite driving perfectly. That’s kinda wild haha
LeClerc was absolutely off the pace in qualifying and he must have thought he had something to prove. As the Ferrari this season has both no speed and no grip in the corners, something that in my opinion tells how much Ferrari was cheating with their engine/hybrid systems, LeClerc didn't want to play the catch up game and went for a gap that was always going to disappear. One look to the left of Vettel would have shown LeClerc that there were two cars beside Vettel and Vettel was always going to be squeezed into the corner.
As to Ferrari's malaise: it's kind of obvious the last seasons Ferrari was depending heavily on sheer engine/hybrid power, at the cost of grip and/or aerodynamics. If you have ample power, you can run high downforce settings and thus create grip, something Mercedes did for many seasons when they had the upper hand in engine/hybrid power. As the other engine manufacturers caught up, Mercedes concentrated more and more on mechanical grip and aerodynamics. Ferrari never expected to get caught cheating, so they didn't much prioriotize developing the mechanical grip and aerodynamics of their car. But they were caught, first with the double battery system that allowed them to employ way higher levels of electric power than the rest and last season with the fuelflow irregularities. So now they've lost a significant part of their top end power and the car shows it's severely lacking in both mechanical grip and aerodynamics.
This is Binotto's shitshow, something he in my opinion deserves for his backstabbing of Arrivabene. And Binotto can't shift responsibility, because he's both teamleader and Technical Director at Ferrari.
I appreciate that you take the whole context into account. Seb's poor getaway put him in a position where he was trying to avoid trouble in the hornet's nest he was stuck in. Still Charles's fault for putting into a gap that would always disappear. Definitely admit I thought more about Brazil 19 than Monaco 19, but your comparison is apt. Thanks for that perspective.
Good analogy brother, I agree with you
Brilliant analysis as usual and excellent visual quality.
Is LEC panicking under the pressure of Ferrari leadership? 🤨🤨
I fear it's going to start to ware on him. This is precisely how it started for Seb. Leclerc is world class. I hope he can find a way to flourish
@@CYMotorsport yeah... I doubt it.
My prédiction? He is going to overdrive the car and try to put the car into dicey positions because he feels the pressure to "Alonso" his slow machinery into a competitive position to validate his undeniable talent in a shortened season against far faster cars.
Also he knows that he only has 8 races to establish himself before ANOTHER young, fast, talented driver with all the potential and none of the expectations for leadership rocks up to the team...
He would have benefitted from a wise, fast, highly experienced team-mate who can help diagnose the car's issues, share the burden of slow machinery and maximise results in what seems more and more like a trash season.
But as the golden child he is putting himself under trenendous pressure, as we saw from his post race comments.
Unless he chills out and avoids the hot blooded errirs like Baku and Monaco 2019, it's gonna be a rough year for LEC...
Yours is Easily the best F1 content on the Web.
Bravo!
The fact that you make an analysis with such breadth of perspectives, so quickly and impartial after the incident, warrants an award. Keep up the efficient and quality videos!
EDIT: By the way, I think that Leclerc was at fault. Not 100%, as discussed by Vettel's start in the video, but definitely too little too late for Leclerc. I'm glad he admitted it and took full blame, however I don't want him to sweep it under the rug either.
Racing incident ultimately, but with that large gap that Seb left on the inside it is easy to see why Charles was tempted to drive up the inside, but the other cars were always going to turn in so it was an unnecessary risky move for lap 1, but also when your fighting in that position down the grid you are eager to make up the places!
Am I forgetting something here? Did Seb apologize to any of his mistake? At least here Leclerc accepted that it was his own mistake, yes that doesn’t make everything ok. But it’s something. Taking responsibility and accepting the consequences always helps with how the public perceive a driver. Why should Binotto address it the same way when Leclerc himself said it’s his fault. No point trying to blow this out of proportion cuz it’s anyways gonna be a horrendous season for Ferrari.
Can I point out as a Kimi fan that this boneheaded move also pretty much screwed Kimi's race too? He had to come to a stop to avoid them both, car went into antistall and he ended up right at the back of the field. He got back to 11th but if he hadn't gone right to the very back he could well have scored some points.
Arguably hurt Kimi the worst. His radios after were depressing haha
The reason vettel moved his wheel to the left at the corner was not to avoid leclerc. It was to avoid his front wing being taken off by the Williams, which is also the only reason why there is a gap, because he doesn't want to damage his wing.
I'd be curious to hear your take on the recent F1 channel piece on Seb and his "situation". Comments argue it's biased as a British channel and that they didn't highlight his achievements, rather focused on his crashes and the ensuing drama. Your perspective is fair and honestly refreshing.... Maybe a future video could detail this out?
Didn’t think I’d enjoy this vid as much as I have
So glad to hear Eli!
This was clearly Leclerc's mistake, but it's not really comparable to the Brazil incident. Here, the two drivers were in a complex situation involve at least five other cars and Leclerc got it wrong. In Brazil it was just Vettel and Leclerc and they collided on a straight! Not even in a corner! What's more Vettel is a four time World Champion who, last season, was 2nd highest paid in the field and this season is likely 3rd highest. It's right to expect more of the highly experienced, four times World Champion, demanding absolute top dollar over the guy in his third season.
It was what I was thinking too when he said "He'll learn from this", that he didn't learn from Monaco 2019. As for Brazil 2019; if you have been paying attention Vettel always goes for a little squeeze/dictates a line after he passes someone so he isn't compromised in the next corner & after, usually the other driver complies since they are the car behind and Charles didn't comply that time. I haven't saw anyone warn Vettel that what he's been doing all this time was dangerous until when it ended up in a collision and everyone blamed him.
Great editing. Just wanted to give a shout out for that. Good to see at least one high quality Williams around.
Thinking about it some more, I think there are a few points that you didn't bring up.
First of all, the Styrian incident is not exactly the same as the Brazilian incident. Leclerc crashed into Vettel trying to overtake in a corner. Vettel crashed into Leclerc after overtaking him on a straight. Now how you crash into another car on a straight is beyond me.
Secondly, the analogy to 2010 was obvious because it was a carbon copy of the Brazilian incident. In Monaco, Leclerc had a much better opportunity to overtake than in Styria plus he had pulled of that move earlier that race. So I personally think drawing an analogy between the Monaco and Styria incidents is kind of a stretch. I certainly didn't summon that particular memory, even though it's a much more recent accident. Plus, cars crash into each other while trying to overtake in a corner more often and it's not a Leclerc signature move. Verstappen crashing into Raikonen in Spa last year comes to mind; an equally dismal attempt. You may see the pattern, I personally don't.
Imagine being kimi watching that shit happen in front of him.. wonder what’s inside his head.. 😂😂
"Bwoah! What are you both doing, get out the way!"
Or something along these lines.
I said it right after the race that it was double standard. Not only from Ferrari but from fans as well. Binotto himself binned Vettel last week for his mistake but on Sunday he was chilled. I also did not hear many people jumping on Leclerc for being desperate (again, as you show it as well in your video) but I am sure that if it was other way around everyone would be all over Seb. Excellent video by the way keep 'em coming. You got yourself another fan 😅
The real reason Charles was so despo is also because of a slow car. He knew his only way to gain some ground from 14 was the starting lap, where had he come out clean on 10th or higher he could have had good finish.
this is also true. I believe it comes from a good place. Good racers think like this but good lord you can't do it at the expense of everyone else especially on a limited season. he knows that though its mostly for fans who keep saying he apologized. and? villify neither. just hold them to the same standard. I bet my channel leclerc wouldn't have done this if the transition was better. Binotto shitting the bed here.