The Emissions Cheating Scandal goes Deeper than You Think
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Dieselgate- Volkswagen’s emissions cheating scandal- was a huge deal. But It turns out VW was just the beginning. How far does the rabbit hole go? And will anyone face the consequences?
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When VW got found out, the silence of every other manufacturer said so much!
Exactly. There's no way that every single car manufacturer (and any other massive corporation) isn't cheating the system in some way. It's just whoever has the best engineer dedicated to covering it up.
Maybe it says more about the emissions standards that instead of just meeting them everyone tries to cheat it? Is it because it's easiest or because the standards are unrealistic and ever changing?
@@DriverDGaming Don't make excuses for multi billion dollar corporations who are too cheap and reckless to meet emission standards. Modern Diesel engines are perfectly capable of meeting those standards. It's just expensive.
@@DriverDGaming exactly it’s kind of impossible. Cargo Boats and planes cause lots of pollution as well
@@Tjz30 you think we don't have emission standards on boats and planes? Car manufacturers aren't making them, there's no need to deflect away.
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Yes
James don't read the comments. But Nolan does
This is a car channel.
@@aborted4196 up to speed on the rocketbunny which is a litteral body kit
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“Or does someone hate Jettas that much?”
**Looks at Mr. Regular**
I remember talking to my SMOG guy about this before it blew up and he agreed "trusting" the car to be honest was a joke... Love or hate it, sticking a tube up the tailpipe is the most accurate way to know what is ACTUALLY going on. None of this surprises me honestly, it is an unintended consequence of trying to rapidly increase efficiency. You will have cheaters and scandals.
good ole colonoscopy always lets you know what’s up
Thing is… it was a cheat device that would detect an emissions test and the car would run completely different and emit clean SMOG passing emissions well within the standards. But when you take it out on the road and actually road-test it… The ecu would detect that you are on the road driving and run completely different and burn dirty… That’s how they actually achieved the fuel mileage they stated, and also passed the emission dyno test… nobody could understand… and that’s when EPA of California opened an investigation and started “road testing” the vehicles to put them in real life scenarios.. in turn, the vehicle knew when it was on a dyno being tested, but it did not know how to detect a “road test” emission test and would fail that test. That’s how they discovered the cheat devices.
@@jakephelps5021Scummy, but shrewd
"I'll just have my computer talk to your computer, and if your computer says we are good, then we are good." --EPA, 1996
Obd2-worst computer game, ever.
Emissions Test? VW Jetta - I got an app for that!
Joke is that in my area, a un-recalled TDI VW can fetch 50% more in value over the recalled ones.
Are you from Romania as well?😂
@@silasmayes7954 That's likely what makes them scarce/valuable.
I'd believe that non-testing tune is pretty spicy if they can disregard all emissions considerations
@@yeahitskimmel the tune changes the rate at which the AGR operates..
@@silasmayes7954 Well if you are after MPG TDI > GTI.
@@NotADuncon The uncertainty of the fix and the fact that I drove a car for two years only to have it bought back for more than I paid made the recall option a no brainer.
i think volkswagen said they didn't need to use the blue fluid due to their special technology. other manufacturers had to use the blue fluid in diesels to cut nox emmissions. that's why their cars didn't fail anywhere near as badly as the vw cars in the real world.
Cummins once found out that Detroit Diesel was doing this exact thing, developing engine mapping and such that it would produce less emission when doing the EPA testing, but running differently under normal conditions. Cummins brought this up to the EPA and they were told, "Detroit Diesel passes our testing". So Cummins did the same thing, and then got sued by the EPA for it.
Maybe some money should have passed hands from Cummins? That's probably what they left off...
That’s the only way Detroit could ever compete with Cummins Inc, and those saps at Detroit know it
Detroit Diesel now uses (2020-4 or so) Cummins Diesel emissions technology and parts as can be seen when replacing them. Cummins and Detroit Diesel 13+ litter engines are consider reliable durable 1 million mile engines in 2024, where Volvo may get there with a lot of fault service and Paccar (DAF) hasn't a chance.
Interesting fact: volkswagens were shipped back overseas but the Mercedes (sprinter vans) were too big to be worth shipping back so just got crushed here, the mercedes suvs were shipped back though, the vehicles that got shipped back just went to countries with no emissions standards, so there was no overall benefit to the environment at the end of the day
There was, if they stopped doing it in future cars.
It's all a scam. Anything we do here is cancelled out by China and the rest of the world. Also, every time a volcano erupts, it's like millions of cars worth of CO2 and other harmful gasses....
@@Blackdawn80 "Anything we do here is cancelled out by China and the rest of the world" 😂 is it possible to have a more American sentence without using the word "freedom"
@@Blackdawn80 Thats just BS, China knows how fucked up they are and they change drastically. Also the rest of the world , are you nuts?
@@Vanadium In a way he's right. Various countries arent exactly jumping on the green bandwagon even now.
On top of that, lets not pretend various factories/ industries arent exactly all beholden to "clean" regulations, if there are any in certain locations.
And in the end, unless we can kill off the Earths volcanoes (which would honestly kill the Earth in a far worse manner) certain eruptions are literally on the books as causing way more damage in one erruption than we've done since the industrial age.
There really does need to be more of a middle ground with all this "regulation" and actuality here (but lord know most of the green hounds flunked history to be as bold....)
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“ or was what volkswagen did really that bad?”
Uhhh... which thing are we talking Nolan.... there’s a couple that come to mind. And one of them yes for sure.
You forgot to mention that the tdi jettas got 50+ mpg, I miss only having to fill up twice a month
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As a benz tech they have a recall that technically isn't a recall it is a voluntary emissions modification. The customer can decline it if they want.
You think Mercedes are the best?
Why are you everywhere?
Mecedes deserves it
I trained as a mechanic in 1996 and we were told about this back then, it's been going on for as long as ECUs have existed
My brother has a TDI Passat that he got for dirt cheap because of diesel gate. That thing is wild and I love it
Ironically, this was all a result of the VW diesels being the most fuel efficient.
A guy I know deleted DEF system from his truck and got a 27% increase in fuel economy.
@@ben501st damn fr?
@@Ben.N if you delete the DPF, it'll improve the flow of exhaust, and you wont have a really expensive pile of junk that needs to be replaced. if you just delete the DEF, you wont have to fill up with adblue, so you save money that way :) best way to avoid any punishments is to just get an old car that doesn't have any of this nonsense on it to begin with
Volkswagen shouldn’t have broken the law, but the EPA is an unelected oligarchy that has no business dictating law in the first place. They will have to take my TDI over my dead body, and they won’t do it unscathed. If these enviro-nazis ban fossil fuels, I’ll just convert it to run on vegetable oil and laugh at all of the EV owners waiting for their cars to charge.
Well hybrids have better range and don’t produce as many NOx emissions.
2020 VW Jetta: 449 miles
2020 Toyota Prius: 640 miles
But yeah a VW is a good purchase for fuel economy. They did VW dirty by raising the standards so high, perhaps. I have to research that more.
After reading many articles, I think you forget to mention "the squeeze". Under VW's CEO who was hell-bent on beating Toyota to become the world's #1 automaker, European emissions were getting tougher and soon then-current VW diesel engines would require urea injection to meet new clean air regulations. However, VW upper management did not want to invest R&D retooling money to correctly update diesel engines. So the middle managers, feeling "the squeeze", ordered VW software engineers to design and install the cheating software.
So it was an uninspired, lazy, greedy, quick-and-dirty solution. This is why companies are dying all over the place.
It's also worth pointing out that, on a bench in Wolfsburg somewhere, the LNT worked as advertised, but when they brought it over here, the shitty quality of American diesel made the engine run rich more often, which tanked the fuel economy.
The fact that they did the same thing in Europe where fuel is better and emissions rules favor diesels means that ultimately it doesn't matter and they cheated no matter how one examines the situation. As this video points out, so was basically everyone else, so 🤷
And today they're so many idiots that willingly still go into a VW dealership or an Audi dealership or Porsche dealership. What the duck people
@@aborted4196 obviously. You've never driven a VW/Audi or you would know!
@@aborted4196 if it's for something simple like getting a part or under warranty coverage then yes. Otherwise no lol
The company my dad works for has a branch that deals with emissions and apparently during a QC/calibration check (because a car wasn’t reading where it said it should be) at a university they found that it wasn’t reading as it should on a few models but worked normally for everything else. And as such the investigation was opened and diesel gate was exposed
Let's all ignore the massive cargo ships that dump this same shit into the air at 7,000x the rate of the entire fleet of VW-gate cars.
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The more "clean" or efficient and lean a diesel engine runs, the more NOx it creates. So technically they were running very clean, no soot.
I work for CAT and this is 100% correct. This is most likely what they were doing producing more soot to make less Nox. We can deal with soot with the DPF but Nox is hard to deal with.
@@corruption1724 yeah the issue was that the AdBlue Urea injection system needed to lower NOx (US NOx rules are strict) tanked performance and efficiency. It's also quite expensive relatively. And requiring people to fill another fluid isn't great for marketing.
@@yahikovlog138Your mum loved it all the way._
you can probably say something similar about modern turbo downsized motors. The smaller it is, or the higher the hp/liter is, the worse they are in real life as mpg goes down the drain when it goes on boost.
It also doesn't help every footage you see about diesel soot is when they are rolling coal bad image.
What about the EPA lieing about the greenness of EVs, it's the government they lie all the time.
I still want a TDI Passat tho, even after all the emissions stuff I’ve seen like 900 miles to a single tank of fuel on those things
Yup... even the 1.8T will get you over 500 miles to a tank!
In Germany we call the (German) automakers "Automafia" for a reason... that's how they behave and CAN behave, because of their economic importance.
Literally to Big to fail.
In fact Mercedes is the most affected OEM of all from those EU regulations. They produce so many V8 vehicles each year and they don't have too many entry level sales figures to help them decrease the average emissions. And they are also being defined as the biggest manufacturers so they have to follow the strictest level.
That's the reason they intentionally cut many beautiful V8 (and V12) AMG models and they aren't allowed to produce as many V8 cars as the market demands.
And they also have to make smaller and quieter V8 Engines since 2015 at first place.
Many said that there's corruption in EU. It's not about environment.
Rumours said certain politicians hold shares of Ferrari. (Ferrari is defined as small OEM and they're not affected by regulations so much) Those coorrupted politicians are trying their best to hold down products from top end Mercedes and VW group. It's all about money.
In Chile stupid people would call you "communist" for saying that....
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@@kellanescribano5690 same thing in México.
Anyone else remember that Jimmy Neutron episode where the coach finds out all the kids & their parents cheated on the wheelbarrow race (except Carl & his dad)?
Yeah this is that episode irl
I’ve always believed VW was targeted because at the time they were being investigated, VW was overtaking GM as the number one auto maker in the US. At the time when VW was being punished there were companies like Mitsubishi that also admitted to doing the same thing but they barely had a presence in the US so it would be pointless to go after Mitsubishi.
I guess Mitsubishi was punished for "Mitsugate", as in they were essentially taken over by Nissan, which is also why they don't sell anything besides basic cars anymore. But I do agree with the rest of your comment. I was suprised anyone even mentions it, since so little people even know this happened. And that includes car enthusiasts
VW Diesels were promoted and sold as Clean Diesels that were better for the planet than gasoline cars. In WVU on road testing a VW Diesel was putting out as much NO2 as a non emissions controlled tractor trailer diesel pulling 70,000 pounds. They were excellent in controlling diesel soot emissions. NO2 is an irritating pungent oder brown colored gas. It becomes a liquid at 70.2°F (21.2°C) that in cooler climates causes it to rain out of the atmosphere in 5 - 10 days common in the EU. In USA Los Angeles CA it is hot with little rain, poor air circulation where NO2 will stay and build up in the air for a long time.
End all emissions standards !!
Wait 10 years for all the lithium mining environmental scandals…🙄
Really think it'll take 10 years?
10 years? I give it 1 as maximum.
Pretty sure multiples have dug into that
Do we weigh them against oil company scandals, or nah?
Those are gonna be bad.
"No pun intended"
A few seconds later :
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All manufacturers have something like this. I managed to trigger a similar mode once in a petrol VW Polo by accident. Saw a gap in traffic, put my foot down in second gear, around 2k rpm, and nothing. It was like when the turbo decided to not work in a diesel car I had later, but this was a 1.4 NA petrol....
9:30 ah yes, coming from the guy who owns a straight pipe cutout mustang
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VW's emission-preventing NOx trap was an ingenious innovation. In exchange for losing two or three miles to the gallon (or 0.1-0.2 L/100 km more), it actually made the NOx filtration as effective as AdBlue, with none of the hassle, and at a fraction of the cost.
But guess what VW did? The NOx trap only activated during testing. During driving, it was decided that extra MPG is more important than not poisoning all pedestrians around...
That's what saddens me the most. It was a great technology, that was awfully misused. Its death brought with it such a domino effect, that it seems to have basically killed all internal combustion cars.
Such a shame...
It's almost like volkswagen knows all this human impact on the enviroment is BS
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx it’s not bullshit tho even big companies have admitted that they’re avoiding responsibility solely for profit
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx Just like those environmental scientists paid by ExxonMobil to evaluate the oil industry's impact oh wait what was that they ended up learning that human industrial output did have a major impact almost three decades ago
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx Just like how leaded petrol being toxic was a load of BS! Oh wait
@@Lonech How does one know how much is major impact?
Fun fact. Fca had to extend warranty and pay money to buyers in the USA. In Canada, they got to claim they were different vehicles. Made in same plant, same engine, same tune, but different than the USA ones. In Canada we got retuned and nothing else.
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My Mustang gets better milage than what they EPA states. Guess I need to sue the EPA now for making me pay a guzzler tax.
Love how they force them to buyback the cars and then the cars are just left to rot in a field cuz they arent allowed to be used, like that makes the whole scandal batter
Yea I wonder what's worse. Some emissions being thrown out or a bunch of cars made of metal being wasted in a field.
@@lobehold2263 yeah, just what i was saying, its just stupid of them
So they didn't just do a software update or something? Why tf would they be forced to water hundreds of thousands of cars that's insane
@@tati-anaroseee4316 was thinking the same, its just pure stupid, the goverment plays it like they car about the planet and then do this😄
@@the_nameless2891 It's all about politics. Has more to do with money than emissions I guarantee y'all. If the government really cared the EPA would he focused on researching and developing emissions tech with auto manufacturers, not throwing ridiculous laws and fines when things aren't going there way or how they want. If you're that invested, then actually involve yourself. But the epa is run by suits. Not by people who care about cars and the environment.
They have plenty of money from fining shops and people around the US. Wonder where all that money goes?
I love the irony of having to use an American truck to show how dirty diesel exhaust is… even though none of the American trucks were fined.
Yeah... Cuz emissions are bad, yo
...unless, it's a trunk - they're special and... Who cares anyways?!
~ probably the idiots at the EPA
California has power outages all the time, now vehicles are running of that same "power"... Does anybody else see the irony in this?
I mean they’ve always tricked sensors. One of the main ways cars “reduce” emissions is by passing fresh air through the exhaust system. Not actually taking out hydrocarbons
Correct, it stops hydrocarbons from being introduced.
Supposedly the smog pump was to give the cats fresh air to actually burn excess fuel, but it did indeed have the effect of diluting emissions. That's also why you started seeing pipe-in-pipe exhausts in the 70s. Its difficult for the sniffer to accurately measure both pipes at the same timr
@@limprooster3253 This is why the emissions should be measured with a pipe that covers the exhaust pipe(s) completely, and collects a sample.
@@Tuppoo94 it is measured that way...
Passing fresh air into the exhaust system is a strategy to warm the catalysts during cold starts. Just by adding fresh air doesn't reduce the net emissions trapped by test bags.
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I'm from the Balkans where 80-85% of cars are diesel powered, most of those being late 90's early 2000's models with super high mileage, like 500.000 miles. Diesels are fuel efficient but they do break, and when they do so does the wallet. In order to prevent those expensive repairs a lof of people had their dpfs, egrs, cats and whatever himders the air/exhaust flow in their cars removed. Ecu tuning of diesel cars is also very prevelant and that turnes them into black smokescreen deployers. Yeah the cars go quicker, run better and are more reliable but the results of all that are catastrophic. I live in a town of circa 130k inhabitants, we have about the same nimber of cars, no joke, most of them being old diesels. My town has the most poluted air in Europe along with the capital, without having close to any major factories in the town no more. Cancer is at an alltime high, yet people don't seem to care as long as they get to drive around on a budget which I understand since fuel is like triple the price
it is in the US. Now I was never a "tree hugger" or concerned with global warming but, when your eyes burn in the morning when you walk out, and particles in the air make it hard to see, it's a problem. Now they supposedly made the the annual mto tests more strict which would mean that a huge portion of the cars wouldn't pass. There's a huge concern in the public but they'll probably find a way around it and still have mk 2 golfs running on bootleg fuel roaming the streets.
I still have my TDI Jetta lol, and it's still under warranty too for some odd reason (despite being 10 years old) Still the best car I've ever owned
ROLL COAL
VW gave these cars crazy warranty for emission related things because of Dieselgate
America is trying everything to destroy the German automobile industry
@@lilpold9192 Ze German automobile industry on the other hand don't give a fush zabout people. Only money and lies.
@@FungusLabel the german automobile industry is trying its hardest to destroy the german automobile industry
I see you mentioned that diesel engines emits a load of toxic micro-particles.... What about AdBlue? Can we get an episode on the AdBlue additive?
Ad blue is basicaly Just amonia and water. Simplified, When injected into the exhsust it combins whit the gasses to neutralize them. Mainly NOx
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust_fluid
its just DEF I refill my jettas def tank at the truck stop its easier and 4$ cheaper
Pee in the adblue tank will do the job
AdBlue is effective... Only if you put enough of it in the exhaust to neutralize the toxic emissions. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I've read it would require way more AdBlue than fuel so no manufactures programed the correct amount because it would be unpractical to use. Imagine having a 50L diesel tank and a 100L AdBlue tank next to it ! That would be only possible in trucks but the added exploitation cost would make it a commercial failure.
@@lululock You're gonna need a source for that wild claim.
I’m from a mechanic shop that works on Audi/VW cars. Unfortunately, do to the incident, we have suffered losses in profits and VW had removed their Motorsport division which has removed VW from a large portion of WRC.
3:18 roasts volkswagen for tdi "clean diesel"then proceedes to show smokey american truck🤣
Didn't americans believe in the 0consequences of cat deletes?
How can car companies be expected to comply in such a short time when it takes years of R&D to get emissions down a few percentiles. Lawmakers whom have no idea of the amount of work and time it takes to make said changes raise standards every year or even months apart.
These regulations have literally been in the works since at least the 1980s. Plus, the EPA consults with car companies as to what’s feasible and there’s minimum periods of comment and deliberation before a regulation can be enacted.
This is entirely just the choice of car companies to maximize their profits by spending on an algorithm instead of R&D.
@@whyy9951 good, they shoud spend money and time on making cars run better, not worse, as those stupid laws pushed them to.
Nobody gives a shit about emissions, we want good cars, let it spew black smoke for all i care
my dad had a 2013 jetta tdi and i remember when driving from my town to the indy 500 the range went from 220 to 450. yes you heard me right, it went UP
Yup, the engine was a the good running temperature, and the gas consomption down 40 to 62MPG on the highways of Indiana plains... ;-)
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Companies we love and Chrysler don’t go together.
We’re truly living in a society
The above comment proves your statement.
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Day 420 of smoking
@@albineriksson2667 lol, it was mentioned in the video at 9:51
Tricycles are just unicycles with training wheels...
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I'm finally seeing a more involved explanation of this issue
Funny how they only went after VW
I wonder if it had anything to do with them finally achieving number 1 in sales
It's like the competition sent out extra researchers to find problems with the emissions
Of course - US never, I repeat' never, punishes US companies. Monsanto's Round Up was OK for US regulators until Bayer bought it (and this is not only similar example).
It remembers me of these old Saloons, with a pretty, big Storefront. But behind that it was a freakin Shed. Imho they never left that age^^ (USA i mean)
The thing that has higher LD50 than table salt?C'mon man,why of all examples you pick the one that is just slander and german butthurt?
Diesels were being pushed by governments because they supposedly polluted less. The general public bought them because they were quite powerful and kind of economic (especially in Europe). Turns out it was all bullshit and there's no free lunch. Now a similar thing is happening with EVs... Are we, once again, jumping with both legs into another quagmire with a huge issue in our hands in a decade or so? I myself own two EVs and they make a lot of sense, on the surface, on paper and in practice. But I often wonder if it's really that good for the environment as a whole....
My question with EV’s will always be whether they can really be considered “green” when we still get the majority of electric power from fossil fuels, at least here in the US. I’m sure they’re more environmentally friendly than a normal gasoline car, but how much more really? I worry especially in places that have strained power grids like California that moving to electric vehicles will only exacerbate that as well.
At least you don‘t intoxicate directly pedestrians and cyclists anymore. That‘s a huge step forward for economy on healthcare in long run…
@@TehCoD1KNifER15 depends on every country. France produce 70% electricity from nuclear plants, other just invest in solar panels and wind energy. It‘s already know that not an extremely huge surface like in Spain or where is very hot can „fuel“ with electricity the hole Europe. In USA there are also plenty of hot places, is a matter of politics…
@@TehCoD1KNifER15 the answer to that question, at least in my head, is that even though fossil fuels are being used to generate electricity there are still a few pros to using EVs:
1. The whole circle, from fuel to the power station to the transmission of power and charging the EV is still more efficient than burning fuels directly in cars. As far as I know fuels used in powerplants need less processing than diesel or petrol and powerplants themselves have an efficiency of over 90% while ICE has... 40%-50%?
2. The pollution is centralised which, if the government wills it, will make it easier to deal with. It's easier to deal with a single large exhaust pipe than thousands of smaller ones.
3. Even though fossil fuels are being used today in powerplants doesn't mean they won't be moving to better sources in the future. There are also alternatives. There really isn't any alternative to petrol in a petrol car (well, there's LPG, but it's a pain in the butt).
As a car guy who still keeps a V8 e30 in his garage I do love the EVs we have. They need much less maintenance and there's kind of less to go wrong, the power is great, the comfort is great, the running costs are negligible, when compared to the power the car has.
But it's not yet for everyone - I'm lucky to have moved to Norway 15 years ago and am lucky that I had a chance to work here and be able to afford a house in a small town which makes it easy to charge both cars at home during the night. Not everyone has it, so not everyone sees the same practicality.
Another question is if batteries will be possible to recycle (truly recycle, not some 10% of their mass/volume or something like that). I guess we'll see. It's also a bit of a chicken vs the egg situation. Humans probably had similar issues when horses got replaced with horseless carriages - gas stations vs just grass, mechanics vs "it just heals", no soul vs is a live animal etc. etc.
Well, extracting the metals to make a battery and then to dispose it aren't any "green".
I like the truthiness of your channel. No real politics, just accurate proven information. It's refreshing, especially in the automobile world.
I appreciate it!
The timeline graphic at 9:20 really tickled me. Great video, good points.
You guys should do an episode on electric batteries and if they are even sustainable or eco friendly on such a large scale.
Lithium mining destroys so much land and disposing of it isn't that easy either.
Can we handle that much increase in demand for lithium?
They already did and it's sustainable.
Uhh, they already have…
@@neeljavia2965 also, new technologies are coming or already in used. I can't stand these people who heared something 10 years ago and can't shut up about it, not to mention learn about present stuff.
There are LOTS of videos about this topic already. And all confirms that it is much MORE sustainable than gasoline. Lithium mines don’t destroy as much land as oil drilling and refineries.
Of course neither of these are better than a bicycle…
@@Gabrong Exactly.
Boomers who never bother to research and always want to blame others.
"Companies we know and love like Chrysler"
Nobody likes Chrysler, Nolan. 🤣
I do, the pt cruiser is my dream car, such performance and style
Until you realise Chrysler makes dodges
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And also used to make Plymouths.
@@albineriksson2667 I place my Pontiac Aztek, the best performance SUV, against your PT Cruiser
I highly recommend the book "Faster, Higher, Farther: The Inside Story of the Volkswagen Scandal" by Jack Ewing.
THANK YOU DONUT! ppl forget so easily...
You left out the part where the 2009-2013 VW TDI cars, when driven gently, would accidently go into the emissions compliant software. One of the things the emissions compliant software did was not regenerate the DPF, which would fill up with soot, overheat, and crack. VW was tired of paying for warranty claims on the DPF / Cat, so they did a software update in 2014 to make sure the cars would never accidently go into the emissions compliant software when driven on the road. They applied this software to the older cars when brought in for service.
How dumb is it to dispose of so many perfectly usable cars… what has an actual bigger impact is building so many cars.. cars should last at least 15 years
Agreed
Cars could last 30 years if they wanted to but that is not good for sales.
I have a Jetta and it's about 20 years old now so they can suck it
@@wades623 i got a 14yo Eos TDI and it barely.. but still passes emissions each year lol. I love that car, it’s part of the family
@@Groo55 cars could last for 30 years, but people with spare change would still buy their new trinkets. Also, the production vs running cost and emissions of getting a new car vs keeping an old one even out sooner than you'd think.
I really miss my 2012 VW Golf TDI. Easily top 5 of my favorite cars I've owned. But that buy back money was too juicy to pass on.
4:20 that's not quite correct. The capture system does work. It just requires a lot of urea that has to be refilled regularly. The software reduced the usage of urea on the road so it hasn't to be refilled as often to increase "customer satisfaction."
“The straw that broke vin diesel’s gate” all time great joke
"Rules for thee, not for me"
And these same companies are part of going after tuners and small shops.
Just my opinion, but maybe this is why the sudden push against shops and tuners. These people have to get their money back some how, so they get their law maker friends to push laws and fine the crap out of the small guys. It is all a sick game.
And donut appears to be shilling for the big car companies. That California smug is affecting their brains.
@@modestscrub4667 Fame and fortune do something to a man. It is disappointing but I can't blame them. They were all small time guys with a dream and they are living it.
If I had to say to you what is the answer I would say massive bloodshed. I really would. I don’t really, honestly, deep down believe in political action. I think the system contracts and expands as it wants to. It accommodates these changes. I think the civil rights movement was an accommodation on the part of those who own the country. I think they see where their self interest lies, they see a certain amount of freedom seems good. An illusion of liberty, give these people a voting day every year so that they’ll have the illusion of meaningless choice. Meaningless choice that we go like slaves and say: “Joy I voted!” The limits of debate in this country are established before the debate even begins. And everyone else is marginalized and made to seem to be either communist or some sort of disloyal person…a kook…there’s a word. And now it’s conspiracy… see? They’ve made that something that should not be entertained for even a minute. That powerful people might get together and have a plan… Doesn’t happen! You’re a kook! You’re a conspiracy buff! So… the only way you cure that… death, bloodshed… I don’t advocate it… but I see that it’s really the only answer. -George Carlin
Surprise, Surprise... regulations holding back manufacturers and better power and fuel efficiency 🙄
I have heard many ads on radio about mercedes diesel vehicles built in 2018 to present, talking about compensation for emissions scandals.
Jeremiah’s moustache is legit. Brings a whole new meaning to ‘Boost CREEPS’ 😂
I want everything to be diesel, that would make driving so much less expensive
i love how you guys explained politics without picking a side whatsoever. props!!👍
I thought they sorta dumped on Trump with the whole "business-friendly EPA" part (and deservingly so, that fuckwad hired a climate change denier as the EPA chief).
@@DroneStrike1776 you don't believe in global warming?
Reminds me of how people use to talk about politics long ago.
dunno this bit doesn't seem very politically unbiased czcams.com/video/G9tM_U78XBw/video.html
it sucks that internal combustion is being thwarted
I wonder where those billion$ in fines go?
And for the zippy e-cars. Will they easily last 300,000+ miles as many gas cars do? I don't need zippy. I need durable.
This is the problem with channels like these. They don't cover everyone and their needs. They even don't care about car enthusiasts anymore. Apparently a car enthusiast is just someone who likes the thing with the best 0-60 number, smh.
Early internal combustion engine cars had terrible reliability compared to what we have today. EVs already have decent reliability and they will potentially become much more reliable than ICE vehicles since they are much simpler - the battery is the only complex and potentially neuralgic part.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 or maybe simply its still highly classifieds that even they cant have access to it ?
Or they intended not to show it since they talk about big dogs that could destroy their life carrier by mere a single finger snap by their boses
@@megimargareth4015 What do you mean by this? I don't get how this connects to my comment. Please explain.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 ure questioning where the fined get goes right ?
Remember every conflicts in this world, theres politics behind it
Not all but i bet like 95% of them
no bar at the bottom of the ad really threw me off. cmon donut don’t shill out keep the line!
My 1971 Dodge Charger had a mechanical ignition and emissions requirements were just being introduced. The only requirement was that the engine pass an emissions test at idle. The regulators' assumption presumably was that emissions at idle correlated with emissions over the full range of operating conditions, so only one condition needed to be tested. The engineers had added a solenoid to retard the spark only at idle. Once the driver pushed on the accelerator, the solenoid disengaged and the spark advanced. So, assuming that there were no other design changes, the engine's emissions performance was the same as for the pre-solenoid versions, except at idle. In effect, this was an early modification to reduce emissions under test conditions (engine idling) to pass the test, but run with higher emissions under normal driving conditions. To the best of my knowledge, Chrysler Corporation was never punished for adding the solenoid to pass emission requirements under test conditions only.
The mechanic was provided with instructions to set the timing and engine RPM at idle. The effect of the retarded spark was noticeable. I imagine that many mechanics figured out how to disconnect the solenoid after the adjustments were made. The advanced spark after the solenoid was disconnected would cause the engine to speed up, but the mechanic could readjust the idle speed to match what it was with the solenoid connected.
Back about 1990 I had to move an exhaust gas analyzer. I had just received a large UPS that was not in use yet. I charged the UPS and loaded both into a new van. I powered up the analyzer and rigged the exhaust probe. At about this point my boss came out to ask WTH I was doing. When he heard he wanted in. We jumped in and did a baseline (i.e.per the state inspection. The cvan, having only a few thousand miles on it passed of course. But as soon as we started moving the emissions went way into the red. Any acceleration sent the hydrocarbons and CO up more than 10x the limit. Letting off the gas sent NoX way over the limit. Even at idle it was not passing any of the measures. The boss decided to change the oil and the plugs (the most common cheap fixes for a failed emissions test in the day). It made no difference. Ever since then I have been expecting that at some point somebody is going to realize that essentially no car on the road actually meets it's emissions targets. I say essentially only because there's always been a few electric cars and a few propane powered cars. Eventually this is going to come home to roost. And from what we could tell they're probably isn't an automaker in the world that hasn't been cheating on gasoline emissions.
Ok ngl an up to speed on the unicycle would actually be funny af
Emissions regulations have gotten ridiculously tight, it makes sense to stand up to these rampant regulations.
The point is to force ICE engines out of existence. But where are all the batteries coming from do you ask? Weeeeeeell...
@@akacurmurdar1 exactly. Batteries are worse.
If I had to say to you what is the answer I would say massive bloodshed. I really would. I don’t really, honestly, deep down believe in political action. I think the system contracts and expands as it wants to. It accommodates these changes. I think the civil rights movement was an accommodation on the part of those who own the country. I think they see where their self interest lies, they see a certain amount of freedom seems good. An illusion of liberty, give these people a voting day every year so that they’ll have the illusion of meaningless choice. Meaningless choice that we go like slaves and say: “Joy I voted!” The limits of debate in this country are established before the debate even begins. And everyone else is marginalized and made to seem to be either communist or some sort of disloyal person…a kook…there’s a word. And now it’s conspiracy… see? They’ve made that something that should not be entertained for even a minute. That powerful people might get together and have a plan… Doesn’t happen! You’re a kook! You’re a conspiracy buff! So… the only way you cure that… death, bloodshed… I don’t advocate it… but I see that it’s really the only answer. -George Carlin
@@patrickheidinger2020 I agree!
Thank you! Important information
Great video, thanks!
You have to understand the challenges of mass producing a low emissions vehicle and the challenges of stricter and stricter emissions to get the vehicles into market
I think Kia Hyundai should be put in the spotlight for making tunes that void the warnty to get them passed and that destroy the engine from detonation/preignition and know about the problem and refuse to do anything to solve it
9 car companies have disliked this video so far
11:03 that launch is very chaotic
There was so little about the American Cars that does not fit the current standards
and how many cars are on the roads today still . Seems like it didnt go that deep .
I had my 2016 diesel canyon on order when this all happened. Dieselgate caused all the diesel Colorado/Canyon orders to be delayed as they now had to undergo further testing. GM did good though, no cheating found!
How many early deaths and disabilities were caused by the absence of the extra money working class people have to pay for VWs that actually adhere to this elitist nonsense?
A: Much more than were caused by some oxides.
9:45 kinda like all the Monsanto trials hit off once it was conveniently bought up by Bayer
I am not surprised that Volkswagen took this much larger of a hit. I wonder if this is one of the reasons the EU is banning I.C.E.?
Day 98 of asking Donut media to do either a Up To Speed or a Wheel house on the oil crisis
They know better than to touch that because then they would have to address Gov. corruption and politics.....they might even have to debunk the term “peak-oil,” which would expose the entire narrative and have people questioning the reasoning behind most of the military action the US was involved in since the late 70’s.
I'm sure California's robust power grid will no problems with the increased demand
even on a windy sun day we got some of the highest priced unreliable electric is Democrat controlled californazia at night or a cloudy day when the wind aint blowing is real brutal. And the demkcrats want to force us into electric cars, heat our homes with electric, cook electric, hot water with electric. when will this madness end? answer.... when the democrats are voted out.
@@dave8599 I live in Texas, the fuck are you even talking about? My state has 100% control over the power grid and is controlled by Republicans for decades and we lost power for like a full week during the freeze in February. Our power grid is a literal fucking joke, fuck off with that “hurr durr democrats” bullshit.
@@thawhiteazn The Texas power grid was crippled from a 100 year freeze, not poor management. The system was not designed to operate in Michigan, but in Texas.
Every geographic area has its breaking point. What do you think would happen if say Vegas got the rain that comes with a massive storm for two weeks?
@@Fawkes318 better management could have prevented a ton of the issues that we had, but beyond that if we had just been connected to the national grid we would have been fine. Like every one of our neighboring states that also had historical freezes.
@@Fawkes318 Weird, because I remember ice storms and outages in the 1980s too. "100 year freeze" as if.
It's almost like the regulations were unreasonable.
Lovin' the animations this episode!
9:52 Absolutely killed me. Funny as hell Nolan! That’s what earned the like from me lol!
RIP in peace pop-up up and down headlights.
Government standards are to blame for a lot of this too.
y'all consistently nail the merch game