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This is what I love about comment section..so many engineers,Former IAF officers, scientist,missile experts,etc
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Ye baat bhaiii ! Aisi videos mangta hai. This fighter "Versus" this. Alag hee thrill hai 🔥
After, super Sukhoi upgrade.
1,Astra mk-2 (160+km)
2. Uttam AESA Rader (better then refal)
3. New Electronic.
4. New cockpit
, This time mki could be comparable ❤️
40 million years tak toh ho jana chahiye upgrade 😂
@@L.K.P_😂😂 sahi kaha bhai, iaf ko kadi tapacharya karni hogi ye upgrade pane ke liye. Phir bhagwan drdo prasanna honge our iaf ko ye upgrade ka vardaan denge.
It doesn't have spectra EW and much bigger Radar and IR signature.
Mere punar janam ke baad hoga kya ye saab?
@@boejiden7093 sir F35 do na aap do na app do na 🤣
Didn't skip 1 second very captivating video, explained with simplicity.
Excellent analysis.SU-30mki is a perfect aircraft.I think India selected Rafael aircraft over SU-30mki because of its spectra electronic warfare system
yes spectra electronic suite is quite advanced but omnirole capability was also important in selecting, and anyways meteor and mixa are already world class , su 30 mki is old bird ,iaf is already working on supersukhoi by upgrading with our own AESA radar and astra mk2 etc but with su 30 its RCS is a big issue in today's arena ,we can only upgrade sukhoi in its wvr capabilities
Most of the technologies in su-30 mki are more than 2 decades old and to compare it with rafale-f-3 version which is only few years old may not be justified because su-30 mki is yet to be upgraded.
Totally agree
Thats a good point. It helps rafale massively
this channel has lost it recently... it's almost full of negative content when it comes to Indian forces
Super sukhoi standards?
It is justified because in real world scenario the two fighting air forces are going to fight with whatever is available in its arsenal, an example would be that an Indian mig-21 had to fight with a Pakistani f-16 in 2019 when things were escalating.
The reason to compare su 30 to Rafale is to make comparisons with Chinese Sukhois & j-15 fighters.
In within visual range sukhoi is king, in BVR its rafale
Bro rafel is better in both because it can pull 9gs and it has better high off bore side missiles
Wrong, rafale is superior in both BVR and dogfights.
Yeah in nutshell this is absolutely correct
@@yixinmei5854 bro but Su 30 mki has thrust vectoring nozzle it so it can easily dodge missiles at a close range without using chaff and other counter measures in visual range it’s the king , in bvr Rafael is the better fighter
Wait for super Sukhoi 😎
Pretty decent analysis and covering morew or less all the aspects. regarding the Passive Sensor comparison between OLS-30 and Optronique secteur frontal, just wanted to add some more details because there is a lot more than the maximum range. OLS-30 is basically a classic IRST sensor, being used in almost all Russian Fighter aircrafts and it only uses a wideband Infrared sensor, capable of working in Infrared frequencies only and Laser range finder is required to identify the target and find the range. Because of that, it is very much susceptible to atmospheric interferance and it cannot provide a proper video feed to the Aircraft's display. On the other hand, Optronique secteur frontal is not a single sensor but it is combination of a wideband IRST sensor, a TV/ Laser sensor working on narrow band visible light wavelength, capable of visually detecting targets at 50 km. The Laser range finder in Rafale has a whopping 40km+ range compared to 3.5km in OLS-30 of MKI. Because of these, Optronique secteur frontal works more like a passive radar, scanning up to 150 degree and can detect 100 targets which then can be combined via sensor fusion in the same display of the Radar. The visbile wavelength camera is very important where rules of engagement only allows engagement after visual identification.
During the 1st Airforce day of Rafale(just inducted), I saw Su30 & rafale were using every opportunity to fly together outside their routine. Su30 were following Rafale easily whereas rafale were giving their best to out manuver Su30
True Flankers are really good even without much upgrades
@@L.K.P_ Not all flanker but Su 30 flanker has special maneuver capabilities. Su30 only lacks a good AESA Radar & good BVR WVR missiles & electronic counter measures.
Best comparison video on the CZcams
Keep them coming
But su30mki's pilot and wso on 2bd seat gives it added advantage. As WSO could focus on weapons and pilot can focus on flying....with good coordination this combo could be deadly
In BVR, Rafale can only carry 2 Meteor BVRAAMs. Thus, in BVR combat, once Su-30MKI dodges 2 Meteors from Rafale, the Rafale will be at the Flanker's mercy. Then it will be 10 longer range BVRAAMs (10 Astra Mk1) on the Su-30MKI vs 8 shorter range BVRAAMs (8 MICA EM + 3 1,390 Kg Fuel Tanks). Once the Astra Mk2 is integrated with the Su-30MKI, the Rafale won't be as dominant in Long-Range BVR combat, as it is now.
I don't know about Indian Rafale or exported versions of Rafale, but French Rafale can carry 5 meteor with single drop tank.
Check your facts
Superb comparison. Covered lots of points in a very organized way. 👌
Very good explanation. Love it!!!
Make more non biased video
Great explanation & comparison 👍
Great video.. Back to the Matrix special. Want more videos like this.
Great episode👍🏼
Will be eagerly waiting if & when you decide to make a comparison between Su-30 MKI Upgrade (Super Sukhoi) and Rafale in future.
I believe Dassault is working on upgrading French Airforce/Navy Rafale fighters to Rafale 4.0 or Rafale 5.0 version which they will probably offer their clients like India too to upgrade their export version Rafales to similar advancements. An episode on the same (ie. what do these upgrades entail?) will be most welcome too.
Love your channel, thank you👍🏼
No doubt that su 30 mki being an old age fighters still perform good without upgraded to super sukhoi
Still no kills just a showpiece for exercises and world record in crashes lol
Its a piece of garbage that belongs in a museum. Rafale was not designed that long ago. It’s about the same age as the su30mki. And the Rafale is considered decent by western standards. US jets surpass the Rafale in a lot of ways. Russian fighters are junk, will continue to be junk, and will be nothing more than museum pieces for future generations to see. Better to invest everything in indigenous or French options. Russia is a failed power. They have 0 to offer us.
@@L.K.P_ it literally dodged an amraam bro 😒😒
@@L.K.P_ it has one of the lowest crash rate btw ,
Hello Defense matrix, how much does your own radar emissions play part in giving away your position?
Very nicely explained, good job done
Comparison was so good! Conclusion Sukhoi needs Uttam AESA Radar and more long range A2A missiles similar to Meteor! For rest Rafale is best! 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Definitely Astra mark 2 and 3 is the solution
R37M would be a good long range missile
@@RCLepchaguess we don't operate R37M it's an air to air hypersonic AWACS killer really good missile we always buy weapons which don't make any sense kitna accha mauka hota agar 2019 mein the sukhoi's locking on paki Saab AWACS with an R37M 🤷🏽♂️
@@L.K.P_ Astras are still being tested and further ones are development and yea R37M would have been a good AWACS killer.
@@L.K.P_ baat toh yebhi chal rhi thi ki we can modify brahmos variants into AWACS killer
Beautiful video...waiting for part 2.
Sir as per my understanding I think angle of attack is the angle between cord line of the wing to the relative wind direction. FPV or flight path vector is the assumed or projected position of the aircraft relative to the horizon in vertical path profile or horizontal path profile. It is displayed in primary flight display to help pilot to land in runways
Bhai thank you for this video, kindly do this type of content frequently.
Very detailed video. Good info. Thx
Great video ....thanks sir 👍
The TLDR version of this video: Rafale blows the Su-30mki out of the water in almost every metric. Su30 has good performance in a dogfight but it doesn’t matter how good you are in hand to hand combat when you’re enemy has a sniper rifle that can see you from miles away.
Agree
But what you can do is hide behind a rock/mountain and wait for the enemy to come to you . Specially when there is 1 of him against 3 of you .
One good strategy against such fight where it's numerically even . You should get close to the ground for heavy air and use mountains for cover and wait for the enemy to get approximately 30-40 km from you then peek out and use your cobra to point your nose and fire a Astra mk1 and repeating it for 4-5 times will give you victory .it will be really hard but not impossible . Meteor isn't that great when fired from deck and is only slightly better then Astra. Use the factor .
@@wacky1018 those tactics are neutralized by technology advancements. Thats why every big country fast tracking their 5th & 6th generation programs.
@@ciamodikabaap3980 i am not saying su30 is better . But I am saying it's not impossible to dominate such platforms, it will be 50-50 if you follow such tactics . But the thing is numbers will be on your side .
Excellent technical explanation...my friend. Keep it up.
Only two contries can test both types India & Egypt ....but they won't give their conclusion cause its quite bothering for the air forces.....
But Egypt decided to cancel a new SU 30 acquisition and have ordered more Rafale....
CAASTA. like Indo the cancel Su35 to buy F15EX platform or rafael
Nice video bhai👍🔥
Sir great info provided by you please make more comparison videos of guns,missiles,Aircraft ,Army combat suit etc.
I think there needs to be 1 more comparison when super sukhoi upgrade is complete to see the changes
Very well articulated and informative video, Su30MkI should be used for BVR being back bone and heavy fighter, so it's imminent upon IAF to improve it to Super Su program, add more EW suite, BVR weapon package, AESA Uttaam radar, brahmos ng, Astra series et al! Not sure if AL41 gets added to provide Power required for such operations, That said need 114 Rafale 4.1 order soon, Jai Hind
Soon? 😂 maybe in another 30 years bro
A powerful AESA (uttam upscaled) radar and meteor class missile will really overcome the rcs disadvantage of the big old flanker.
Good Analysis
I think because of the higher t/w ratio, su30 mki has better kinetic energy generation. And because of flying wing design it has lesser air drag compared to delta wing rafale. So, within vidual range i think su30mki will dominate..
But after we integrate with aesa, better avionics and mwr, su30's bvr capability will increase significantly. And there were rumours that iaf trying to integrate meteor with its su30. If that happens and after induction of astra mk2, i guess its bvr capability can match with rafale. But main problem will be rcs. If our super sukhoi program again initiated (i lost update if ita still going on or abandoned), its rcs will also reduce. So, we have all the instruments to make our backbone formidable. Lets hope we do
Even in Within visual range sustain turn rate & missiles like Mica & Asram is big factor over Russian missiles.
Amraam Dodger su 💪💪
@@surojeetchatterjee both have nearly same sustained turn rate and hobs capabilities
Good analysis
Guys guys guys... both are superior in their own sets of mission
Su30Mki lags in electronic warfare systems which will come soon by DRDOs projects
Overall even if we start comparing it.. we still have both the aircrafts in India, enough to destroy all of Chinese fighters..😊
Very good analysis, leave ground attacks for Jaguar & Stealth Bombers.
Sir please bring this type of videos for other aircrafts too , it will be really helpfull
Awesome mind blowing blog
I LIKE IT 🎉😊
one thing you missed about the radars, there is difference between search range and track range.. in this category mki will be the winner since its radar can search upto 400km+. AESA radars usually have less search range.
We missed videos like these!!!!
what a great explanation of within visual range dog fight 😯
Sabse acchi baat ye hai ki rafale aur su 30mki dono same team ki taraf se khelte hai❤❤❤
Very detailed analysis. Though as many pointed out SU-30MKI needs upgrades as most of it's technology is of 2000s standards. Whereas Rafale F3R and F4 are a lot newer.
Its tech is of 1990’s standards.
@@boejiden7093 you're misinformed.
@@userx946 no. Due to western sanctions, Russia was never able to get their hands on the latest chips. Their military technology still uses older computer architecture which is from the late 90’s or early 2000’s. All chips in Russian weapons come from western sources so they don’t really have much of a say in that matter. Now have they done the best with that they have? Yes. With the limited money and resources they did a pretty decent job. But is it anywhere near western tech? Absolutely not. And it’s due to the chipsets Russia receives for its equipment. You don’t have to believe me. You can look it up for yourself online. The su30 mki was ordered in 1996 which is why majority of the russian avionics and tech are of 90’s standards.
@@boejiden7093 SU-30MKI has several non Russian components including the mission computer, EW pods, helmet sights, towed decoy and more. There's a very detailed analysis of this aircraft on this channel itself. Regarding the whole chips issue it is severely overhyped. This war has proved it. Russia continues to produce more and more weapons despite sanctions. Other countries which over came chip supply issues include Iran who achieved a very successful drone program and North Korea who continues to make better ICBMs every year despite being under sanctions for decades. This proves one of two things either these countries make chips of their own or they have stable methods to smuggle chips out of west.
We want such types of video comparison between iaf aircraft ❤❤❤❤❤
In cars its always driver. Is it still same case in fighterplane
Fantastic topic for discussion.
Much appreciated.
SU or any other soviet aircraft have superior manuverities and agile in nature which is very good in dog fights.
But its a technology of past.
Raffle on the the other hand have lesser RCS with berrer avionics and some stealth features.
But the aviation vision is fast moving forward to Stealth technology.Faster you spot enemy targets and able to lock on to it is the key of success.
Therefore 5+ Generation machines in the only way forward.
I am very sceptical about the AMCA project as DRDO have a great record of 25 years or more average delay.
But our begger neighbours are announcing Chinese stealth fighter inclusion very soon.
So we got to do something very fast to maintain our air superiority in the region ASAP.
Su30mki still have chance to dominant air space if we go for Indian payloads and uttam aesa radars .... su30mki ka main role samne aakr airspace ko defense krna air dogfight and attack role me hai
Jai hind 🇮🇳
what about dcmaws on su 30mki
Just One Qn, What's "Off Bore" ???
Our su 30 have become outdated, IAF needs to hurry regarding its upgradation. It doesn't have missile approach and laser warning system, but Chinese fighters are equipped with these and they also have better radar and avionics compare to oue back bone su 30.
I guess Sukhoi's is our fleet backbone still they lack Aesa Radars 🤦🏽♂️
Amazing Technology!
A Passive Radar!
IAF is soooo incredibly innovative that they put a large RWR in the Radom.
Or maybe defense matrix doesn't understand difference between a Passive electronically scanned array Radar and passive sensors like Heat seekers.
Su-30MKI was better than Rafale FR1 and perhaps more comparable to Rafale FR2.
Rafale FR3 is simply too much for Su-30MKI unless the MKI is upgraded with Super Sukhoi package.
As of 2024 ...most advanced fighter in the IAF is Rafale, followed by Tejas mk1A and then Su-30MKI
Rafale is better in bvr as well as within visual range fight. I've experienced this in DCS. Many times, it also dominated f22, which is regarded as the best of the best.
A few years ago during real training the Rafale (old version) had beaten the F-22, which upset the USA enormously.
They tried to hide this fact, but eventually the videos came out and they had to admit that "well ok it happened"
But that doesn't matter, we're all allies👍👍
I think absence of LWR, MAWS makes Su 30 mki is weak. Not only that, due to open air intake, engine blades are clearly visible which is very negative for su 30 mki. It can be easily detected with IRST and passive sensors. It has high RCS also.I am curious to know that what are actual possibility of within visual range combat? It's not about only between Su 30 mki and Rafale... But with all F15 ex, F35, eurofighter typhoon, Su 35 and Gripen. By the way, I am interested same comparison with super sukhoi...
Air to air fight:-
Radar : Su-30-0, D.Rafale- 1;
BVR : Su-30-0 , D.Rafale-1;
Within visual range: Su-30-1 ,Rafale-1 ;
Conclusion- Su-30 mki needs huge upgradation with fly by wire sustem, AESA RADAR, BVR missiles, digital display etc, then compare Super Sukhoi to Dassault Rafale.
Wow 🥰
WVR WW1 aur 2 k jamaneh ka tactics tha ab BVR hi chal raha hain. Isiliye Technology Advancement required hain. Fire and Forget technology ko improve karna chaahiye. Countermeasures ko ignore karneh wala system hona chaahiye Missile mein.
Well I saw Round 2 video first .... aur ab mai ye dekh rha hu 😅
36+114 Rafael and Su-30 into 150 Super Sukhoi is the best option for keeping china at bay .
Rafale is no doubt excellent fighter, but being old SU30 is still in a league of it's own. If only India gets SU 57 to replace SU30 it's gonna be advantageous to India. Good details in video. ☝️😎
Waiting for the Super Sukhoi upgrade. That will make the Sukhoi way more capable then Rafale for the BVR combat.
That thing is huge, imagine how many T/R modules you can fit in it!
Why do we not make a naval version of su30mki to complete the requirement
And why do we not buy more su30mki as we can see that mrfa is not happening?
Within visual range is an obsolete topic in today's era. So the aircraft which can perform only within visual range can be considered obsolete.
Make a video on Rafale vs J20....
Sir yaha apane thrust vector control ko jyada consider nahi kiya hai.
Kiya hai, Dogfights mein Instantaneous turn rate ko discuss karte hue, whain par kaam ayega TVC
We really need Indian DCS community.
Explain every Indian fighter jet with weapons
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Su-30mki doesn't have missile approach warning system?, as per my research Su-30mki has radar warning system (dhruti) and dual colour missile approach warning system
Sukhoi rafale se thoda kam hai par emotion jude hai us sey, The Amraam dodger 💪💪
Super sukhoi is need .....
compare super su30mki vs rafale f4
Su30mki class have a distinct property at full air to air load its performance is not affected much but Rafale performance at full load degraded sharply.
Su30mki me aap khud modifications kr skte hai khud ke payloads add kr skte hai but Rafale lags there.....
एयर तो एयर की क्लोज फाइट में मिग 29 का डिज़ाइन बहुत शानदार है
Defence matrix channel owner ka name Prashant h kya???
After Su-30MKI gets Uttam AESA radar, I hope its detection range would exceed that of Rafale. But Su-30MKI should immediately have its RWR, LWR and jammers.
Can we compare these 2 to Tejas mk2 as well?
Tejas mk2 doesnt exist. What are u comparing? Blueprints?
@@boejiden7093 we already know almost everything about it. T/ W ratio, radar details, engine details, missile package, payload capacity, range it will carry. The only things left are radar cross section, which we can estimate to be slightly smaller than Rafale, turn radius and angle of attack, which we will get to know as soon as the prototype is tested.
@@LplusRatioLol it doesn't matter, the plane itself doesn't exist thus we would be comparing imaginary numbers against real performance numbers of an aircraft. it's stupid, point less and a waste of time
@@RohanSingh-zc4bm have you ever bought a car. Or even a phone? People typically look out for the next model, when it is around the corner for launch to compare if they are getting a good deal. Considering India might have to buy 114 Rafale under MRFA soon (which are great but very expensive), it would be nice knowing about another option in detail, should you choose to wait out the deal for a better one.
Urgent need to upgrade sukhois and order rafale in mrfa deal.
Sukhoi can be upgraded with electronic warfare suit like spectra and also with stealth coating and better missiles then it will rule the sky............
Su 30mki: Why You bully me !!!
why cant we upgrade radars and electronic war fare of su 30 mki and make it leathel....
What if the Sukhoi get the R37M which is fired from SU35 then how it'll go
To, Defence Matrix Media.
Sir, thanks to your video for comparison between Su-30 Mki & Rafel. However, india is want's of fighter jets and manufacturing better & lethal for 4th & 5th generation fighter jets. You may kindly initiate to guide for information and procuring strong
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Thank you.
You have, it seems to me, forgotten a decisive factor: The reliability and the predictive maintenance programs of the Rafale.
Everything is fun and games until you eat a Fox-3 from a Flanker.
Graphic Demo would have made the video more clear.
How can they be compared they are not in a same catagory aircraft. Rafael is continuously improving platform so it is good is quite natural
I think rafale wins because it,s modern aircraft. It has better radar ,letest countermajor system, low radar cross section and carry top level missiles.
Make a Vedio on J10 CE vs SU 30 MKI in air to air battle
No comparison
@@mangeshchalan8786 why??
I know the category is different but still....
@@F_W_AYMAAN seriously !!! Even j-16 is a cheaper knock-off of Su30 and Su-30mki has unmatched capability among all of it's variants
@@Shivam-kz2dg J10 CE is more superior than SU 30 mki in terms of BVR....
Nahi dog fight ke maneuverability aur wing design bhi maine rakhte hai jo Su-30 ka better hai. Dono alag aircraft hai aur dono ka combination bejorh hai
Sukhoi beast hain to Rafale class hain.🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
What about super Sukhoi????
Give Su-30s a SM2 level upgrade & K-77M missile & it'll give Rafale a run for it's money
A comparison with super Sukhoi will be nice
How can you compare something that's not been built yet?