The Werndl rifle and the 11.15x58R cartridge - Mad minute
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Here is another chapter in the Capandball mad minute series answering to Bloke on the Range's and Britishmuzzleloader's challenge. This film covers also the reproduction of the historically accurate 11.15x58R cartridge. Enjoy!
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It is great how my favorite historical shooting channels does a collaboration on the Mad Minute. The Chap on the BotR covers the French and less ubiquitous rifles, Rob in britishmuzzleloaders the British standard arms, and Nemeth from capandball the Ausro-Hungarian rifles. Looking forward to more videos on the subject from all three channels!
Where are the american ones?
You forget SBAM which cover Italian and German rifles!
@@thebotrchap Indeed! Another fantastic work of historical firearms as well.
@@alifr4088 I guess capandball might feature some of the American rifles as he had already made high quality videos on the Henry rifle and other various Civil war era rifles from the regular infantryman's rifle to the cavalryman's breechloading carbine. We may well look forward for those!
@@alifr4088 I'll have a Springfild Trapdoor lended to me soon.
Great job! Loving the conversion rifles putting in a good show!
This one was built from the scratch.
Once again a fantastic effort. The walking ramrod is a feature not a bug! It reminds the shooter to clean the rifle after an intense series 😆
A shame about the ejection issue. The 1873/77 I had ejected very strongly indeed.
The smiles on the faces of my fellow mad minuters after their runs make it totally worth it 💪
Definitely. It's a great fun to film mad minutes. :) I'll make a try with my friend's Werndl as well later. We'll see how it works.
@@capandball Strangely i noticed that most of these folks who shoot this rifle on youtube have problems with the ejection
granted - that's 2 people. You guys and minute of mae 😂
Ez az első videó amit láttam erről a csatornáról. Mondom ennek Magyar akcentusa van. Éééés Igen ;) Nem hittem volna, hogy van minőségi Magyar youtubeos aki fegyverekkel foglalkozik. Feliratkoztam!
:) ugye. :)
Insane how cool the Werndl rifle and most of the early single shot rifles looked .The feeling of chambering it with a round that you treat as special and you take your time aiming as you focus fully on that precise long range shot or just quickly reloading it with great haste to hit many targets ... just amazing .Pair it with a uniform of the time , a Saber and a Smith and Wesson Model 3 and I could take on the world .
Why have they never done proper repros of the early single shots ? .
Unfortunately it does not appeal to the "mass market" so enamoured with the next modern mess in the world of firearms. That being said, I certainly agree the romance of these marvelous rifles hearken to an optimism of a previous age, and I certainly would back anyone who decided to make and sell accurate reproductions of these rifles.
Because most people are more interested in more modern stuff also add to that that the biggest market for civilian shooting in general, the US, is full of people that only realy care about American firearms of that time hence why those actually do get reproductions made by companies such as uberti or pedersoli and the rest doesn't.
Nah, the primary reason is that old cartridges require repro brass,which c&rsenal can tell you, gets very expensive very fast. Most folks looking for older model repros will go for muzzle loaders to avoid legacy reloading and take advantage of muzzle loader hunting laws. A breechloader design also has to compete vs modern arms in the field and hunts during the same season. Even so, rolling block rifles are still in demand because shooters like these old single shots, but need something with ammo or loading component availability.
You and British muzzle loaders are the best historical shooting channels on CZcams by far.❤
they are the only ones I follow (and also Forgotten Weapons/BOTR but they are more than 'historical')
Excelent.shooting! Excellent groups !Excellent presentation! I like the presentation of the Werndl rifle .The reloading of the 11.15x58r cartridge. Keep the good videos coming David Back from Menifee county Kentucky USA
I have a Prussian double-rifle in this chambering. I've spent years looking for information on it. I'm so glad to see it on video. Thanks.
Ön egy Úr :)
Köszönjük a videót.
This is a pre-Martini Henry Breech Loading Rifle.
The Austro-Hungarian empire was so technologically advanced that it made Skoda brand cannons in world war one.
you video's are always something great with the historic insight in the weapons . great channel :)
I bought two of these rifles, 40 years ago for $ 150.00 for both guns, I have Deer Hunted with them, range fired them, and they have been on many camping trips with me, great rifles...
I had one of these Werndl's and loved it! I sold it years ago and went to buy another last year. But I cannot afford the price now to get another. Now in USA a clean one is $800 .to $1200.
Most excellent video, amd great skills on the “mad minute”!
While I have several bench mounted reloading presses, I also prefer to load my 11.15x60R and 45-70 with hand tools... specifically the Lee hand press. After watching you use an 8mm die to crimp your cartridges, I now use a 22-250 bullet seating die to put a nice taper crimp on my 11.15x60R. Thank you for the tip.
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing
I've never actually seen one. Only know of them thru C&Rsenal and "Rifle" and "Handloader" magazines. I do think they are things of beauty.
That is TRUE handloading.
Fine shooting. Thank you for sharing lol. Beautiful firearm.
I liked the skilled hands rolling the patch on the bullet. That took a lot of practice.
Muzzle velocity and accuracy are damn impressive. That thing looks like it shoots MOA!
I really like this rifle, I was at the Steyr factory recently and they had a bunch displayed.
This is an outstanding video. I have reloaded for Black Powder Cartridge Rifle. I have found that using a drop tube of at least 1/3m helps give me a cleaner burn Also, I leave the slight flare on the case mouth, I feel that it helps clean some of the fouling out of the neck area of tapered and necked cases. I reload for 1886 Winchesters, 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfields and 1885 Highwalls and Low wall Winchesters. You must flatten the flare for the lever actions but can leave it in the single shots.
Very nice. I recently picked up a very banged up one.
I love watching people use these old fashioned guns, they are so cool
u are very hard working man👍👍👍
Nice smooth shooting on that mad minute!
Спасибо 🙏 большое, с удовольствием посмотрел Ваш очередной выпуск! Творческих Вам успехов!!! 👍
I need to watch more often this was wonderful.
Wonderfull!
I find interesting that the one in the C&Rsenal video had, more or less, the same extraction issue.
That method of paper patching is so satisfying!
I always figured a Werndl would be quick handling. I bet it would kick out shells if you chopped down on that action with the edge of your hand. It was meant to be worked hard and fast. Thumb it over and bang it open. I have a Lebel that runs perfectly if you treat it like the Huns are coming, if you baby it, it runs like shit.
Watching the cartridge reloading process, I have to wonder if a muzzle-loader might not be more economical in time for recreational shooters.
muzzle velocity we actualy get is always under the initial velocity. first reason: the developper of the rifle could have said more than he realy had.
second reason the cases today are very sturdy and thicker than ancient ones, resulting in fewer powder inside. 440 m/s is realy good
Excellent as always.
Have seen you use this same powder thrower before in a previous video. What is it? Who makes it?
It fires 11.15x58R custom tooled cartridges at 5 rounds a minute. It takes 4 days of training to load this weapon... in twelve seconds.
I'm in the States, I have an original model 1873 Trapdoor Springfield. I am going to get a wad cutter and a few other tools and load it with the Holy Black. It is 80 years older than me as it was built in 1876 according to the serial number. It should be fun
I like the action on that rifle
Grazie x avermi accolto.
Thank you, excellent video
This is indeed a very interesting item especially the cartridge
Thanks for your Work! Even if your Work is FUN!
looks like a hard-hitting handy rifle. NICE Grouping too.
Don't know why I love those silly things. Got to handle one once (not fire, just examine) and the mechanism is just wierd and great. Couldn't afford to pick that one up, sadly, but I would love a modern version. Not specifically a repro, just anything with that wacky action. Very satisfying to work with. For some reason.
all started with that smile that damm smile
thank you for sharing
Fine video and performance. Thank you.
Awesome!
You bring the coolest stuff 😎
AWESOME WORK!!
Very ice video, thank you.
I’m a spolier when I’m not ready to watch this.. but awesome info great shooting!
Nagyon jó videó!Szépen megtöltötted kézzel a lőszereket.
Grease cookie is my new favorite word
:)
Случайно наткнулся на этот канал, очень круто, спасибо! Big thanks to your channel
nice demo of a neat rifle
Very dangerous reloading!
I make cases for my Werndl by fireforming .348 Winchester brass. Mine kicks out fired cases easily.
Well done once again
thank you
Another excellent research based video, but why not use a reloading press instead of hammering the sizer over the case, a cartridge holder can easily be made to fit that rim. Chris B.
Answer is simple: 1st: I do not have dies for the Werndl, 2nd I am following the original reloading process the troops used.
@@capandball Did the troops reload their own cartridges? I would have assumed ammunition would have been produced either at state arsenals, or commercially.
@@jic1 Yes they did. Cases were a great value. For training purposes the cases were reloaded 6 times. 3 times for live rounds, 3 times for blanks. There were two institutions for reloading: there were central facilities (in Hungary 4 facilities) for reloading, but the units themselves could also reload the spent cases.
@@capandball Thank you, that's very interesting.
Very interesting rifle. I must say you have some big cojones pounding on that primer the way you do 😳 very cool rifle though and great video😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Long live the walking cleaning rod! That last round was unkind to you, the look on your face said it all!
Wow....love the reload
Another wonderful video, thank you... :-)
V good video Very good rifle and shooter. Congratulations
Great video
Had one of these fine rifles.it was missing a screw...gave it to someone who was to replace the screw...never heard from him again...this is the rifle that beat out the Remington rolling block and got steyer into business.
Ah yes, the 11.15X58R ! The gas station on main street has a two for one sale on this ammo.
Same cartdige of the Remington Rolling Block Spanish and the Argentine Model. A powerfull shot, called in Argentina as "Mata Indios" or Indian Killer
Well done sir!
Great video, very entertaining.
I know it's how they did it back then, but did anyone else pucker up when he was smacking the primer in instead of pushing it in like we do with a modern press?
It's a beauty!!!
After the first two shots, I was thinking that this was one hell of a rifle for it's time. Then the group blew up, but for a rifle of this time period, I thought it did pretty good. At least it shot consistently to the left of point of aim.
WE LOVE YOU IN USA! I JUST GOT A WERNDL LIKE YOURS LAST WEEK. IN BEAUTIFUL SHAPE. I LOVE THESE GUNS. IT'S THE FOURTH WERNDL I HAVE OWNED. I WILL EMAIL YOU WITH SOME QUESTIONS, THANKS, CARY
This is fascinating!
Saudações de um seguidor brasileiro. Ótimos vídeos!
I love your content, I'm a very big enthusiast of old firearms and love shooting them. If you have a chance can you please do a video on the blunderbuss.
Excelente Canal! Armas de fogo históricas e explicação detalhada de seu funcionamento! Perfeito! 😊👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
That was amazing.
Very cool old rifle.
Sou do Brasil gosto muito dos seus vídeo sobre armas antigas 👍
I'm from Brazil I really like your videos about old weapons 👍
Are you guys at least allowed to own Muskets in brazil ?
@@supernice8887 These weapons he shows are old, if I'm a collector I can have them, or do you think these types of weapons are only available in your house?
I saw one these from Austria last year. It was soooo BUTCH looking!😎
Great video!
Ah, black powder. Not requiring as serious of a lockup as smokeless powder allowed for some truly interesting looking actions.
All black powders shoot better with a clean bore including this one too-(?). Mine did. Those cartridges are huge. Hate to be hit by one of those. Very unique loading. Grouping isn't all that bad really. Very unique loading of the cartridge itself too. That is a very nice powder measure that you have. Never have seen anything like it before. Rapid firing wares me out just watching you. Great video. Loved every second. Our black powder factory is shutting down in America. Hope that someone will pick up and carry on the tradition & manufacture.
Goex is a great loss. I really hope that somebody will take over the business.
Almost looks like my 375 JDJ for my Thompson center pistol
Thank you for this wondefull Video and the challenge .
It is amazing to see how good this rifle is
Take care stay healthy
Yours Frank Galetzka
nice handloading
Прекрасная вещь! Владельцу повезло! Лайк!
These are good rifles safe and effective but while I was never a fan of the Trapdoor Springfield seeing the alternatives that made it into service makes me warm up to that damned single shot.
Hello :)
Elegant rifle, thx for nice video :)
I was thinking you'd get 11 rounds off. Maybe, if it was ejecting properly...
Either way, that's a beautiful piece of kit.
EXCELENTE !
This range looks awesome, does it have a website?
Muy buen vídeo!
great fun
I love early cartridge guns! How is the gas seal on the Werndl? Watching you shoot, I don't see much smoke escaping at the breech.
The brass casing provides the seal like ya know any brass cased cartridge gun of the time. If you see gas escaping from guns of this era they're either damaged or a needlefire rifle wich use paper cartridges
Nice video, like always 👌🏻👍🏻 !
Which case de you use ? Sorry if you say in the video, my english is not perfect.
My brass is made by Horneber, but it can also be fire formed from 10.3x60R cases.