Demon Hunter "My Destiny" (Lyric Video)

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  • čas přidán 12. 03. 2012
  • From the album TRUE DEFIANCE.
    Produced by Aaron Sprinkle.
    Mixed by Jason Suecof.
    Solid State Records.
    Video by Online Revolution Design.
    Band: www.demonhunter.net
    Band Merch: demonhunterstore.com
    Band Management: superherohq.com
    Label: www.solidstaterecords.com
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  • @jarrodsain4173
    @jarrodsain4173 Před 6 lety +476

    I am a christian pastor, and I just want to say it's awesome that believers and non believers can enjoy great music like DH. And that great bands like DH are making their way into the "mainstream" and "secular" industries more and more now days. Because no matter what you believe, the music is always uplifting and encouraging. And for the fans who are unbelievers, it's never too late and you are very much LOVED. Thank you for giving Christian music the chance it deserves. God bless!

    • @jarrodsain4173
      @jarrodsain4173 Před 6 lety +14

      melodeath fan Thank you, that gentleman fails to realize that God also created music (which includes all kinds) along with everything else. And it's up to us to either use music to glorify God, or unfortunately glorify ourselves and other idols i.e. money, sex, death, drugs, and yes Satan. God bless you brother.

    • @lidettemicciche6418
      @lidettemicciche6418 Před 6 lety

      YOUR A PASTOR HMM I DOUBT THAT SON 👼 BOY FOREVER IN MY THOUGHTS.

    • @maxownzor2thelawnmower776
      @maxownzor2thelawnmower776 Před 6 lety +23

      A pastor that listens to metal? Where do you preach at?

    • @timheath518
      @timheath518 Před 5 lety +13

      this is music that in a pastors beliefs is perfectly acceptable. It, just like any other style or format of music, has meanings and lyrics of what you might find in any other genre. If this song were talking about satan, drugs, sex or encouraging otherwise any other behavior that might be deemed unwise or ''sinful'', he as a pastor especially would not condone this song. This same thing could occur exactly in any other genre,. as it is about the meaning of the song, not the style of music in particular.

    • @MrWolfsbayne
      @MrWolfsbayne Před 5 lety

      want to know what makes demonhunter more awesome, unlike you they don't push their religious beliefs on people, gtfo with that bs we're here to listen to a great band not converted

  • @1x32x
    @1x32x Před 6 lety +84

    ok, this band needs way more recognition

  • @irontusk341
    @irontusk341 Před 12 lety +20

    Definitely more Aggressive than their earlier works, and for some reason.... i just keep playing this song over and over again and i cant get enough!

  • @Rxsiiicom
    @Rxsiiicom Před 4 lety +17

    This is my favorite band ever! I even have a DVD of Ur amazing songs. Me and my dad rock out in the car. Also my father was in a band.

  • @DeFragin
    @DeFragin Před 12 lety +39

    It's amazing how many songs these guys have made and have managed to make each and every one unique. There creativity seems to be unending =D!

    • @turbofan450
      @turbofan450 Před 2 lety +6

      This comment just gets more and more true

  • @robbiepralicz9031
    @robbiepralicz9031 Před 8 lety +184

    damn I may be an atheist but you gotta pay respects where it's due Christian or not Christian this band kicks ass

    • @davidbowie2.057
      @davidbowie2.057 Před 8 lety +4

      +robbie pralicz I'm also a atheist,but most of these songs don't reference christian beliefs. (Or i'm just stupid).

    • @LEGOSuperDKong
      @LEGOSuperDKong Před 8 lety +16

      +David Bowie 2.0 They all do, actually. It's just somewhat subtle in most of the songs.

    • @KammyMara
      @KammyMara Před 8 lety

      +Kameron Maraccini *there

    • @EMDakka
      @EMDakka Před 8 lety +14

      +LEGOSuperDKong And that sublety is what makes this songs rock.. you dont need to scream JEEBUS to the 4 corners to profess your faith.

    • @antonistsiouralhs1671
      @antonistsiouralhs1671 Před 8 lety

      +P.E. K.K.A Aadq

  • @THERepublic1971
    @THERepublic1971 Před 12 lety +5

    Demon Hunter has this ability to individualize each album but still remain consistent with the "Demon Hunter" sound. That is the sign of a good band who can survive in the market.

  • @rulerovall1219
    @rulerovall1219 Před 2 lety +3

    Nearly a decade old. Even though I’m an atheist now this album and band mean so much to me. I was listening to this band when I was in high school. Damn. I miss it all.

  • @analyzedwithin
    @analyzedwithin Před 12 lety +14

    I have fallen in love with that chorus. The melody is so beautiful! And I love how the guitar solo is "singing" and not just shredding it up. :) I can see myself doing a cover of this song one day. I am really looking forward to this new album.

  • @Jxudo
    @Jxudo Před 12 lety +8

    This is why Demon Hunter is the best Metal band in my opinion, because they use melody not just bland, repetitive heavy guitar and drums throughout the whole song. You can't find many bands like DH.

  • @capatinanicusor1580
    @capatinanicusor1580 Před 11 lety +5

    Not only that but all their songs are so good that you can't skip even one...and they have a lot.

  • @RobertThomassilenticon
    @RobertThomassilenticon Před 12 lety +12

    The music here is raw, yet has a deep message... I really like the feel of the music, it pumps me up for the day for sure!

  • @kyukyusaurusrex7044
    @kyukyusaurusrex7044 Před 5 lety +292

    Some people: _Christian music sucks._
    Demon Hunter: _Hold my beer._

  • @MetalMakesMeSMile19
    @MetalMakesMeSMile19 Před 12 lety +5

    This album is going to be their best so far seriously the two songs I've heard so far are friggen awesome.

  • @xavierking4506
    @xavierking4506 Před 3 lety +26

    This is God's heavy metal band that he send down to earth to fight against the evils of the devil, god bless Demon Hunter! 😇💪👍🙏♥️🤘

  • @marinecorp2605
    @marinecorp2605 Před 12 lety +2

    Holy crap, this band just jumped to my top five fave bands easily.

  • @Andiematronic
    @Andiematronic Před 12 lety +30

    Please don't bury yourself. It makes me sad. :(

  • @jeffaffa3412
    @jeffaffa3412 Před 12 lety +3

    God reminded me through this song that He's given each of us a destiny and that the destiny He's given each of us is to become and always be Christians and to live for Him

  • @tinymotoking
    @tinymotoking Před 12 lety +1

    My fellow follower I have to say that these words you've put here are just the words I've been wanting someone to put out. Im am so blessed to be in a time when we have this availability to the world through the internet. Thank you for your faith!

  • @YourLocalFireAlarmTech
    @YourLocalFireAlarmTech Před 10 lety +13

    Those screams tho man... Fucking awesome!

  • @StreamerHouse
    @StreamerHouse Před 8 lety +19

    Great vid, bookmarked

    • @rorya01ok37
      @rorya01ok37 Před 2 lety

      Bookmarked... this comment radiates some old ass energy

  • @aegrisomnia07
    @aegrisomnia07 Před 11 lety +12

    When this music is played, GOD hears it..... and he nods his head with a smirk

  • @dorothyadkins282
    @dorothyadkins282 Před rokem +1

    One of my absolute favorite DH songs..This entire album is amazing..

  • @Arcdemon44
    @Arcdemon44 Před 12 lety +2

    In Flames+Soilwork+As I Lay Dying=THIS

  • @savage_beast_sp4768
    @savage_beast_sp4768 Před 7 lety +75

    Can we all just shut up and stop fighting over whos religion is right and enjoy this kickass band?

  • @peacheslovesjesus
    @peacheslovesjesus Před 10 lety +84

    JESUS is a ROCK STAR!

  • @unsertainley
    @unsertainley Před 11 lety +2

    This band needs more attention then what they are actually getting.
    WHY AREN'T THEY GETTING MORE ATTENTION!

  • @justadecentdude
    @justadecentdude Před 12 lety +2

    Love how each album pushes out into new territory; same DH muscle but different! Ryan keeps surprising me with his vocal talent! God bless the Hunters

  • @nestproductions7420
    @nestproductions7420 Před 7 lety +5

    This is a very well done lyric video!

  • @jaycewilkinson6221
    @jaycewilkinson6221 Před 9 lety +239

    and i thought christian metal didn't exist

    • @RandyMarshMurica
      @RandyMarshMurica Před 8 lety +27

      +Alfred Castle Metallica is 100% NOT a Christian band my friend. Sorry to disappoint you.

    • @kairyuubird
      @kairyuubird Před 8 lety +3

      +Jayce Wilkinson Look up August Burns Red, AMAZING Christian Metal

    • @pinkscgirl03
      @pinkscgirl03 Před 8 lety +4

      Look up Fit for a King they are christian death metal

    • @codcade
      @codcade Před 8 lety +2

      +Spruceface of ThunderClan they are metalcore which is my favorite type of metal, my favorite bands are:
      1 for today (awesome band check em out)
      2 Memphis May Fire (check em out)
      3 fit for a king (same lol)
      4 sleeping giant ( same)

    • @pinkscgirl03
      @pinkscgirl03 Před 8 lety

      no_good_namez Alright thanks. You should also look up Oh Sleeper.

  • @Tranquility3509
    @Tranquility3509 Před 11 lety

    By far my favorite album. Demon Hunter just keeps getting better.

  • @TheMalikTwins
    @TheMalikTwins Před 12 lety

    I am absolutely LOVING True Defiance so far. Very well done.

  • @imienazwisko9392
    @imienazwisko9392 Před 7 lety +8

    EPIC

  • @Warlord4326
    @Warlord4326 Před 10 lety +39

    Why does there always have to be a religious battle on every Demon Hunter video? They have awesome music, why can't people just shut up and enjoy it?

  • @Faudeth
    @Faudeth Před 12 lety +2

    You, sir, have just earned all the respect I can give. I chose this lifestyle as well a couple years ago. I'm glad to know that someone has the same perspective as me.

  • @Ethiokarate1
    @Ethiokarate1 Před 11 lety

    that solo was so simple, yet so fluid

  • @brandonkain9231
    @brandonkain9231 Před 10 lety +15

    Music is life and life is music. God or no god we are joined together in spirit listening to a band we all enjoy.

    • @wishmaster2575
      @wishmaster2575 Před 6 lety

      Brandon Kain cut the crap there Sonny boy

    • @buffy1160
      @buffy1160 Před 5 lety

      Jesus Christ created Life.

    • @rubenc4696
      @rubenc4696 Před 4 lety

      We are not the same, you don't speak for me. All your matter is grey my world is black and white.

  • @lgchamp1999
    @lgchamp1999 Před 7 lety +7

    I'm surprise one of these song ain't in a Beserk Amv

  • @Kumomoto
    @Kumomoto Před 12 lety +1

    A DH song with a guitar solo! This is a godly anthem for the ages!

  • @IrishAussiemen
    @IrishAussiemen Před 5 lety +2

    Love this song so much ! Better than mainstream metal !

  • @EMDakka
    @EMDakka Před 8 lety +57

    Why do i get the urge to fire up Doom? while listening to this?

    • @unoriginal_name7091
      @unoriginal_name7091 Před 8 lety +2

      +JKRevanBR idk, it just fits I guess. Try playing Sunn O))) while playing Doom, it's fucking perfect.

    • @legendrising3387
      @legendrising3387 Před 6 lety +3

      JKRevanBR a fellow DoomSlayer with the same thought. Rock on 🤘🏻

  • @germanium5452
    @germanium5452 Před 8 lety +7

    Do they got merch?

    • @ras9326
      @ras9326 Před 8 lety +12

      Yes they do, they sell drugs.... Because these songs are fucking adictive

  • @BBSkilletTDG
    @BBSkilletTDG Před 12 lety

    Lost count of the number of times I've replayed this truly amazing song

  • @Karl6478
    @Karl6478 Před 12 lety

    Good stuff from Demon Hunter, looking forward to hearing their album!

  • @brandonlovelady8659
    @brandonlovelady8659 Před 8 lety +12

    This is my fave Christian metalcore song

  • @ForeverGamingDevil
    @ForeverGamingDevil Před 10 lety +5

    I dont believe in god ore anything similiar like hell, heaven and this things, i dont believe in the church, iam not religious at all but this Band has some good Songs and i think after all its music ^^

    • @IrishAussiemen
      @IrishAussiemen Před 5 lety

      David 5FDP I'm not religious either but I love demon hubter. I'm not religious but I love Jesus

    • @halomerc5423
      @halomerc5423 Před 5 lety

      Hahahahaha

  • @comarastaman
    @comarastaman Před 12 lety

    they're album covers never cease to amaze me ..

  • @Saraflower11
    @Saraflower11 Před 12 lety

    My favourite song on the album. Amazing!

  • @owiec8240
    @owiec8240 Před 10 lety +28

    I'm atheist, but I like Demon Hunter.

    • @Newsandjy
      @Newsandjy Před 10 lety +9

      Good sir, I respect that. Rock on. :)
      Admittedly, as a Christian, I hope they change your life - though with bands like this you can hardly listen to them without them effecting your life (even if it isn't a switch to my own religion).
      Hope you don't mind, but God bless you good sir. And rock on!

      n/ (^.^)
      n/

    • @shutereye2634
      @shutereye2634 Před 10 lety +8

      Newsandjy
      It's all about the music bro,it touches each and everyone since everyone has a different story.

    • @Newsandjy
      @Newsandjy Před 10 lety +4

      shutereye2634 Indeed! :D Glad to see awesome people like you still exist.

    • @shutereye2634
      @shutereye2634 Před 10 lety +9

      Newsandjy Bro,I was only born 14 years ago,I was only raised right,music is my way,without it,life is empty as a desert.

    • @randompanda3415
      @randompanda3415 Před 10 lety

      @Newsandjy Nice profile picture!

  • @BruceWayne-qx5ly
    @BruceWayne-qx5ly Před 9 lety +6

    Does anyone else hear "hey" in the backround 3 or 4 times kinda faintly?

    • @devendersehrawat2947
      @devendersehrawat2947 Před 9 lety

      Bruce Wayne Yes, now I do!

    • @BruceWayne-qx5ly
      @BruceWayne-qx5ly Před 9 lety

      devender sehrawat i know right! Now you will never NOT hear it ;) it scared the living bejesus out of me the first time i heard it haha then i realized they were just saying hey and it was multiple times. Like im crazy or something lol

    • @devendersehrawat2947
      @devendersehrawat2947 Před 9 lety

      DH has always made music to save lives, whether they know it or not , so such things just show how much effort they put in and those who listen closely will notice things others generally miss.

    • @devendersehrawat2947
      @devendersehrawat2947 Před 9 lety

      Bruce Wayne Oh , wait! Bruce you're real after all ! hehe Save the gothams of the world .

    • @BruceWayne-qx5ly
      @BruceWayne-qx5ly Před 9 lety

      devender sehrawat lol i know right , i love demon hunter. Their lyrics are unbeatable, and i feel like i wouldnt understand them if i hadnt gone through them like the ways they describe. Just so deep and their perspective is so unique. Listening to this band always reminds me why i need to keep fighting.

  • @THERepublic1971
    @THERepublic1971 Před 12 lety +1

    This album will be awesome. Can't wait.

  • @jasuras
    @jasuras Před 12 lety

    Definitely tempted to pre-order. Awesome!!!!

  • @harvesterofsorrow66699
    @harvesterofsorrow66699 Před 4 lety +4

    I have been a Christian and a Metal Metal Head all my life, moste Christians say that Metal is evil but I say that some of it is evil but moste Metal is good for ones soul.

    • @SaiyanMonkeyScumAndProud
      @SaiyanMonkeyScumAndProud Před rokem

      I say it’s music and it’s not the genre it’s the people behind it and the message.

  • @PunkRockScene
    @PunkRockScene Před 6 lety +27

    ..I found this band through Killing Floor 2...

    • @fabiendegroot1264
      @fabiendegroot1264 Před 6 lety

      Me too, I am grateful to Tripwire for showing me this band

    • @servantapashia7724
      @servantapashia7724 Před 5 lety

      Ninja Nea what song do they play?

    • @alekbrown3916
      @alekbrown3916 Před 5 lety

      @@servantapashia7724 they play someone to hate, collapsing, death, we don't care, and not i

    • @talondiwisch5206
      @talondiwisch5206 Před 4 lety

      I found them ‘cause I’ve always been a fan of Christian rock, but it’s cool more people are getting into them now through other things.

  • @Toondude10
    @Toondude10 Před 12 lety +2

    This is no-doubt, going to be their best album yet

  • @KenMagleby
    @KenMagleby Před 12 lety

    Epic and amazing. I cannot wait

  • @Whitefox_09
    @Whitefox_09 Před 7 lety +3

    actually according to the wiki they are a christian metal band metal core nu metal so Brandon is right, wiki is never wrong well the official wiki anyway link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Hunter get ur facts straight yo they are not catholic

    • @sgtvip3r26
      @sgtvip3r26 Před 7 lety +1

      MilleniumFox at least they are christian

    • @Cipri001
      @Cipri001 Před 6 lety

      What are they? Protestants?

  • @amsalek
    @amsalek Před 9 lety +103

    I don't give two shits about Christianity or religion for that matter, BUT I LIKE DEMON HUNTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOOD MUSIC

    • @ernestsstroinovs5692
      @ernestsstroinovs5692 Před 9 lety +6

      Nathan Beltz My mother is an atheist and she thinks it's "devil music" :/

    • @Gmasked2
      @Gmasked2 Před 9 lety +1

      Ernests Stroinovs That defeats the whole point of being atheist... Some people are not that wise when it comes to religion though :(

    • @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt
      @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt Před 8 lety +1

      Fans like you are annoying.
      Where is real passion?

    • @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt
      @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt Před 8 lety +1

      Fans like you are annoying.
      Where is real passion?

    • @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt
      @Dreamdecipher-pj1nt Před 8 lety +1

      Fans like you are annoying.
      Where is real passion?

  • @fyrebrandmetal
    @fyrebrandmetal Před 12 lety +2

    I'm gonna love this album! \m/

  • @ChristianMetal55
    @ChristianMetal55 Před 12 lety

    SUCH A BEAST! The lovely smell of a pre-ordered CD!

  • @circuitbreaker7765
    @circuitbreaker7765 Před 4 lety +5

    When I was brought up Christian I always thought The music absolutely sucked. It ultimately distanced me from the church. If this was around just to show me there was diversity even though it wasn’t traditional and actually condemned by must in the church, I would have stayed. Now with no religion and enjoying this kick ass music. 🤟🇺🇸⚔️

  • @dejdy123
    @dejdy123 Před 9 lety +15

    Im Christian, WHO LIKE HORDE? First christian White Metal band! or Antestor, thats best!

  • @Foxrider67Dawson
    @Foxrider67Dawson Před 12 lety

    I haven't listened to Demon Hunter in a while and this brought me back I will definitely be buying this album

  • @AnvilandScribe
    @AnvilandScribe Před 12 lety

    Ahhhh ! Must have now! Awesome!

  • @ibemanny99
    @ibemanny99 Před 10 lety +31

    Demonhuntermusic please disable the comments. I am absolutely sick of this endless and annoying war between Atheists and Christians. It is really frustrating me and a ton of your other subscribers. Whoever created the channel please. I am begging you.

    • @tijgo6
      @tijgo6 Před 10 lety

      I agree.

    • @obsidianfalcon2475
      @obsidianfalcon2475 Před 10 lety +19

      Not trying to say you're wrong but you don't have to scroll down to read comments. Ignoring opinions isn't the answer. It can be annoying but it's beautiful at the same time. Try to look at it from a different angle. Thanks :)

    • @savage_beast_sp4768
      @savage_beast_sp4768 Před 7 lety +3

      ibemanny99 you don't have to read the comments dumbass lol seriously peoppe are such pussies nowadays and bitch about evetything that offends tgem

    • @elizabethmeyers1677
      @elizabethmeyers1677 Před rokem

      Allow Jesus to glow in to your soul

  • @sambecker1418
    @sambecker1418 Před 10 lety +36

    im satanist and i like dh!

  • @bredalrok
    @bredalrok Před 12 lety

    this is ... awesome can't stop listening it

  • @ROFLBOB24
    @ROFLBOB24 Před 12 lety

    The high pitch screams have finally come! LOVE IT!

  • @ANECHOMAI
    @ANECHOMAI Před 12 lety

    Demon Hunter has made every album unique. Alot of bands get worse as years go on, but not Demon Hunter, they seem to somehow be able to bring something better than their previous album every time.
    WELCOME TO THE BLESSED RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @XmXFLUXmX2
    @XmXFLUXmX2 Před 12 lety

    Awesome!

  • @KinkyGhost
    @KinkyGhost Před 5 lety +1

    I'm almost upset that I JUST found this song but at the same time, very happy I did.

  • @MrEthand20
    @MrEthand20 Před 12 lety

    The solo in this is insane!

  • @IrishAussiemen
    @IrishAussiemen Před 5 lety +2

    I love this song so much !!

  • @ragingmember69
    @ragingmember69 Před 12 lety

    just another servant loving the jams............. keep it up

  • @anastasiaariah8979
    @anastasiaariah8979 Před 6 lety +1

    to be completely honest I didn't know this band was Christian until last week. In which case I've only loved them more and not even for religious reasons as I'm not Christian, but I love them for making Christian music that can absolutely be applied to everyone that isn't Christian. Their songs are amazing and the themes are vague, being able to apply to anyone while still feeling powerful. Plus I congratulate the courage it takes to come clean about your belief when you work in the music industry as, for SOME reason, it can absolutely demolish careers which is sad. The band's belief does not affect the music and DH is a great example since, like I said, I did not know they were Christian until this week. Crazy.

  • @samuraielson1524
    @samuraielson1524 Před měsícem

    Love it! ❣️

  • @warlordgrub
    @warlordgrub Před 12 lety

    amazing love it

  • @naitn
    @naitn Před 11 lety

    Beautiful!!

  • @VisionarySolutionsExpert
    @VisionarySolutionsExpert Před 4 lety +2

    That’s som good shit God bless.

  • @Toondude10
    @Toondude10 Před 12 lety

    I already pre-ordered the deluxe edition! I'm so excited!

  • @ACBeatyPoetry92
    @ACBeatyPoetry92 Před 12 lety

    EPIC! Can't wait for True Defiance!!

  • @ScottySolace
    @ScottySolace Před 12 lety

    It might not be the same demon hunter I loved back in middleschool in their summer of darkness days, but I still love these guys. This is definitely better than the world is a throne.

    • @only2gendersFACT
      @only2gendersFACT Před rokem

      Ah, funny to see you say "back in middleschool" and this comment be 11 years old. Times flying

  • @thetreverpitts
    @thetreverpitts Před 12 lety

    love the solo sop sick and bad ass

  • @Saraflower11
    @Saraflower11 Před 12 lety

    Amazing! Love the new sound and his new screaming. :D

  • @law80103
    @law80103 Před 12 lety

    This is looking to be Demon Hunter's best work ever from a lyrical standpoint. Can't wait for April!!!

  • @joerygobbels
    @joerygobbels Před 6 lety +2

    cheers to those who love Metal and still can be open minded in their beliefs.

  • @genxtell
    @genxtell Před 12 lety

    Sweet!!

  • @Hediedforme1990
    @Hediedforme1990 Před 11 lety +1

    That's wondrefull to hear! Great, praise God!

  • @supersonic5244
    @supersonic5244 Před 10 lety

    AWESOME!

  • @Hammersmashed68
    @Hammersmashed68 Před 12 lety

    vocals on this are SICK!!!

  • @TheKingJernigan
    @TheKingJernigan Před 12 lety

    nice effects with the lyrics

  • @MyNameIsKotryna
    @MyNameIsKotryna Před 11 lety

    This is a really good video to a really good song:D

  • @daltonedmonds392
    @daltonedmonds392 Před 11 lety

    I do agree with you. thanks for that.

  • @humokayyeahright
    @humokayyeahright Před 12 lety

    this song is totaly awesome!

  • @LordItachiUchihaZero
    @LordItachiUchihaZero Před 12 lety

    awesome just awesome

  • @RaivaajaXD
    @RaivaajaXD Před 12 lety +1

    I love this song and I praise God for this band!=)

  • @ravenargentina
    @ravenargentina Před 7 lety

    awesome!!

  • @mdgeddie
    @mdgeddie Před 12 lety

    very nice!

  • @LBJordan1
    @LBJordan1 Před 11 lety

    get to see them next month :D

  • @muffindestroyer9901
    @muffindestroyer9901 Před 11 lety

    you shouldn't dislike music due to people arguing, just ignore them, its not that hard man, this band is epic, i dont normally like metal but its epic and inspirational, just ignore the people arguing, people argue over anything :L