Some Unexpected Project L News
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Over the last week we got Project L news from Riot's very own Tom Cannon on some Discord and Reddit discussions PLUS A bigger surprise drop From Pro Street Fighter Player Gamerbee Via Twitter. - / gamerbeetw
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Some pretty extensive news, and a lot of good stuff I was happy to read... but also Teemo is likely in the game so we win some we lose some. How are you guys feeling?
You should do aatrox :P
@@immortaledge8830 Aatrox would be a great one, I do think he should make it in eventually
Waiting for Project L is like dying of thirst and your only source of water is drinking droplets from the drainage pipe until Tom Cannon decides to turn on the water upstairs
LOL I think it's fair to say the thirst is real.
Gross lol
When they said they want combat to be very conversational, I think they're pointing out how tag games have a reputation for being one sided once somebody gets a hit. No one wants to be stuck in a super long combo that does 70% health. They want more interactions in neutral to determine the outcome of a match and not just be decided by getting a huge combo off a confirm 2 times.
It's also why they don't want combos to be too long in the game.
Yea my first go through I took that way too literally, and then when I went back through the video I caught it and tacked on the "they were probably saying that conversation bit as the metaphor of back and forth lol" But I definitely agree with that approach, Tag games absolutely have the reputation of characters getting 1 or 2 touches KO'd so more back and forth would definitely be welcomed.
@@BruiserMinion Hmm i think you got wrong about the exclusivity of the comentators....Riot will definitely have exclusive casting....
@@sasukebyak Really, you think so? Does League do that? I think if that does happen it will definitely ruffle some peoples feathers, especially if it's casters that are well-known in certain game communities
exactly, combos have to have a damage cap, else the game has no real pvp skill requirement and would just be an extension to the training room, which you have to tank 80% of your time into anyways
@@BruiserMinion League and Valorant hire commentators from outside of Riot all of the time. For example, CaptainFlowers, one of their most prolific commentators, is a freelancer that Riot frequently contracts for their large events. Between that, and the devs being FGC vets themselves and very in tune with the community as a result, it'll be fine.
If anyone's curious why the block button thing was a recurring joke, it's because in the gameplay videos you see characters enter their crouch block animations even when there's no move to block, which is pretty abnormal in most games without a block button
Hey the man himself! Good stuff bringing it up to Tom boss, so glad to have that conversation settled tbh. haha
Isn't that just proximity blocking like in most AFGs?
@@TylerrTazer probably not, if you go back and watch the latest video you'll see a lot of characters going into their crouch block animation when there's no attack to actually proximity block, usually after recovering from an air combo. I think it's just used as an indicator that someone is holding down and back
The editing on your vids has actually gotten so crazy good. Another banger by Bruiser Minion!
Thanks brother! I do try to put quite a lot of time into the edit and make things as clean as I can so I'm glad that comes through.
cool video! can't wait for more dev blogs, i really appreciate the behind the scenes we're getting already
Thanks man! And agreed, can't wait for more directly from Riot - I imagine we will at least see what the pros got to see in the somewhat near future!
13:20 I think he meant the levels of champions during the match, not the level of your account. Because he's talking about "character level"
Hmm... that actually makes sense I didn't think about it that way! Good call. I do also wonder how ranked will work, like if you'll be 1 rank per account or if they will go the New Street Fighter 6 way which is EACH character has its own rank. May be more difficult for Project L though because you play multiple characters in a team so idk if that would work as well
Always a good day when bruiser minion uploads :)
Thanks as always my dude, I was definitely glad to be able to make something. These waits between updates have been killing me haha
Don't know if you play guilty gear, but I think the summoner spells thing could also function like GG's roman cancel that could have different effects depending on the situation. Like a defensive "RC" on project L would activate a cleanse or exhaust, and an offensive one be a flash or ghost(making your attacks and movement faster for a brief period of time).
I do indeed! That's a really interesting one, I've considered what summoners could be like but not like that where you could use multiple at once or be context-sensitive even. Cleanse is almost another burst in a sense, Exhaust a BRC with that slowdown effect, Flash would be great to snap to them to extend a combo OR try to mix them up like Street Fighter 6 Drive rush even, and then Ignite while you are hitting them like an RRC just to add a burn and increase combo damage. I love it, good stuff boss!
To be fair, if there is anyone with experience of modern esports it's probably riot
100 percent, Totally agree I think they will blow it out of the water on that part
As for the eSports side of things...Capcom recently blew the doors open on that by making the next "Capcup" (the Street Fighter eSports scene) have a total prize pool of $2 million, where half of that is going to the winner.
I think it's great that they don't want to push the eSports side of Project L too hard, but because of what Capcom did, along with the sheer amount of polish and love that has gone into Street Fighter 6, there is a going to be a massive chunk of the FGC that sticks solely with SF6, especially if other FG developers don't step it up.
If there is one decision that I can see being overruled by Riot or even Tencent, it's that one.
Yea that's very true, I'm glad Capcom is going to be back in the spotlight for the near future of things no question. Of course absolutely no chance Riot doesn't go VERY hard on the Esports side in the long run, but first getting the game off to the right start and making sure it's truly ready is the way it needs to be done for sure
Riot are know for not having ridiculously huge prize pools in their games. For example prize pool at Worlds is like 10 times smaller than at The International. But it's all because players get solid salaries throughout the whole year, rather than playing for one big prize 1 or 2 times a year.
@@AppleBaron That is true, but we are also talking about equivalent prize pools going to just a handful of people (with half of it going to just 1 person), instead of a handful of teams.
So while the total prize pool might be all around lower than others, it's impact is amplified that much more.
My prediction is that we'll get beta autumn 2024 and full release spring 2025. This game is already at least 6 years in the making (yes, they made a huge pivot in 2020, but still), so I wouldn't expect it to come out soon, considering what devs have showed and told us so far.
Yea that might be about right.... as much as it pains me to say! haha
Juts happy to see news of the game
For sure!, me too! was quite surprised to get this blowout of info right after Tom had said there would be no news at Evo Japan. But hey I'm certainly not complaining! Hopefully we will get to see what was showcased to the pros sometime in the near future.
I know I'm uber late to the party, but Bruiser Minion is a fucking killer name for Project L channel!
Well thanks brother, I appreciate that!
I wonder if they'd give warwick the ability to heal himself with his attacks
I will forget about this game and get hyped when there is news about a beta or release. The waiting is killing me
Sometimes I wish I could do the same haha
@@BruiserMinion good luck brother your content is awesome I hope when game releases you can position yourself as an influential person in the community
@@jorge86rodriguez Thanks man. I appreciate that and even if it's just building a small niche community and us all getting hyped for the game together I'm absolutely here for it!
you da bomb bruiser minion
No u are. Thanks Brother!
hope they take characters from all runeterra not only lol champs because there is so much cool characters in runeterra world like last lor card jack he looks sick . i think this makes the game look special for leag and non leag players...
I did see that Jack card trailer, that dude looks super sick. I think it will happen though! There are some great choices from LOR and honestly, even some of the new Arcane characters would make a ton of sense too. I think Riot would be leaving a lot on the table if they didn't embrace the fact that there are absolutely people who love Arcane but don't care about LOL at all haha
@@BruiserMinion yeah you are right we just need to wait and see...
@@MZ09301 Indeed!
wake up babe new projectL news dropped
For real, this week was a good week. haha
Since yasuo is definitely going to be in the game (base roster I'm betting) I wonder how well would yone translate into a tag team fighter?
I think very well actually! One of the coolest characters DNF duel had was ghost blade, and he seemed VERY Yone to me. haha
@@BruiserMinion OH YEAH! and plus, you know his animations would also be heavily base on his appearance in the kin of the stainedblade cinematic!
@@justanaveragedragon831 That would be pretty sick too because that cinematic is amazing.
@@BruiserMinion ghost Blade = yone league of legend 😂
@@ardianis4170 Yea it's pretty spot on to be honest. lol
good vid mate
Thanks brother, appreciate that.
I think when they're talking about the level system, it is about the champion mastery you get from playing and winning with your character
I hope they do incorporate that tbh, it's always nice to feel like your working toward something and progressing in some area instead of Just win/Lose and Rank going up and down
Imagine you also get the mastery emotes for maximum toxicity.
now THATS the content we need. lol
@@BruiserMinion Imagine getting absolutely wrecked and the mf pulls out the max level mastery emote.
Just like what Benny says at the start of Fallout: New Vegas- The game was rigged from the start.
@@agentsus9681 This dude got a Prestige edition gold emote dabbing on my Ko'd body haha
great vid sir
Thanks boss! Appreciate you.
Flash is going to be the burst. I'm like 90% sure it feels so obvious.
Or Cleanse maybe. But flash is such an iconic part of League it would feel like a missed opportunity to not have i be a main part of the game like that.
I think you are pretty spot on with Cleanse, that makes a ton of sense
@@splokfake4715 Lol imagine Ignite in this game. You and your opponent both at 5% of hp and you just slap him with Ignite and watch him burn 😂
13:14 i think this section is specifically referring to "character level" as in how characters in league go from 1-18 during the course of game play, not account level
Oh yea thats fair, that thought didn't even cross my mind after playing League for 10+ years... I guess that speaks to how out of place it would feel for a fighting game to me then. haha
I honestly think akshan should be yhe one that gets a comeback mechanic since he's the one who kinda has one when a teammate dies near him
I actually think he would be a great character for this game too! A lot of good zoning and swinging-around potential for sure.
I hope this game is available in the mumbai servers.
glad there's no block button, I hate that so much
Yea tbh im not a fan of it either, so very much glad it's not here
i would love to have lulu in my team tbh
Agreed, that would be dope.
I hope Project L will have Air Dashes like the ones from BlazBlue and pre-Strive Guilty Gear
From the small amount of movement options they have shown with Wave dashing, backdash canceling and Ekko's character abilities I think they are showing movement is a big focus of the game. I think it'll have good air game too personally!
merci beaucoup ! thx a lot in french
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed the info!
There are very solid fighting games out there but 2 points make them unnecessary hard and near impossible to enter or continue playing for non pros: a) buy to play prevents people from ever getting into them b) frame precise input requirements that force you to basically spend 80%+ of your available game time for training mode, practicing timings of as little as 15/60 frames or even lower
Also, never play games that have infinite combos. SF4 was badass, for everyone with time unfortunately
if teemo is in the game i have officially lost all hype.
Also thanks for compiling all the news that's come out, im only in the discord so if you hadn't looked at the tweet i probably would have never known.Really hope you continue to grow after you actually can play the game your channels about
Edit: "Streams Coming Soon" omg alluding to project L beta coming out soon! definitely not coping with the crushing truth that it'll probably be out 2024
Haha yea I was joking for the most part, but the Teemo hate train will be full speed for sure. And thanks dude! Highly recommend following the PL Subreddit too those guys are great about reporting things as they see tidbits here and there and it can be a great place to get some of these early conversations going. As for the streams i'll probably be playing Street Fighter 6 while I count the days for Project L... lol
Even if Teemo joins in, the likes of Gnar & Rumble will eventually follow suit!!
Thats true, I can accept that! haha Rumble particularly would be a really cool one to see
@@BruiserMinion absolutely, as well as Corki lol
Yordles will definitely be in the game, however Teemo would be the embodyment of everything wrong with small characters in fighters, or he'd be changed so much that he wouldn't feel like Teemo, however Riot could put other yordles like Poppy into project L (and I wonder how they could do it).
Poppy was exactly my thought of one that would be gameplay appropriate as well! Or even something like Rumble - that's basically like Tron from Marvel Vs Capcom anyway but I guess that's cheating. lol
Poppy might be better since they can just make her fat ass hammer part of her hitbox tbh
Or it could be rumble or kled could be the yordle representative
Yea those actually do make more sense to me honestly. Outside character popularity, Teemo seems like a strange choice for a Fighting game
Just glad there's no block button lol
HUGE agree brother. haha
the fact this came out on april fool's is making mad sus but thx for the update?
LOL yeaaa man I know noticed that when I went to drop it but knew I needed to get the vid out while it was still fresh news. haha It's legit though! I linked gamerbee's twitter if so you guys can see the original info which he dropped before 4/1 thankfully, and then the smaller stuff from Tom Cannon can still be found in the Discord and Subreddit for the game from about a week back
the mvci special. was a mistake. they were supposed to take them out. but they were left in.
rye don't have 1 even though he was advertised to have 1.
1 of many thing that were removed or not fully implemented into mvci .
Oh really? I knew there was some controversy around it and that Ryu had a standard DP motion, but I had no idea it was supposed to have been removed that's pretty interesting
@Bruiser Minion
Yeah, there was the ability to have 2 same characters on the same team. And coop.
4:45 I said it before and I’ll continue to say it. The live service element scares me. If they come out and say this game can only be played with an online Wi-Fi connection and cannot be played offline by any means, then that’s an automatic pass and I will NEVER play the game. I don’t care if it’s free, don’t you dare make it so nobody can play offline. However, if they play it smart, and make it so that the game has both online and offline capabilities, and the monetization isn’t scummy, then hopefully this game will benefit from being a live service.
That's fair and I think a lot of people do share that opinion. I think it just has to have offline, flat out and that's a great callout. An online-only game would be a NIGHTMARE for tournaments in the FGC( which is a scene KNOWN for its Locals too) I really don't think it would be very compatible with the FGC as a whole if you can't play offline. In terms of actual game quality and some of the other stigma of live services being people drop half-baked games and think they can fix it later THAT part I'm not worried about here at all, in fact it seems like they are really on that Valve mentality of "when it's done, even if that takes 10 years" lol
not sure how to feel about the tag team aspect, i dont like that im forced to play 2 characters
Yea I feel like a lot of people have this opinion really, especially in older tag games where you have to play a 3 man team. But I do think in this case only being 2 per team, no motion inputs to learn, and usually team characters don't have as much to do as 1 v 1 games so I think it'll be easier than it typically would be at least!
@@BruiserMinion thats a valid point tbh, it also removes counter pick situation and i get to play as sett and zed at the same time so thats pretty good i guess😅 i just pray the game turns out good 🤞
@@sirharrington9956 For sure! And me too my friend, me too. haha
I want Veigar. He wouldn't work but I want him.
They could always change some things up around him and make it work. never say never! haha
bufffff i was hoping this games is gone be released this year ....
Same... but it's looking like we are in it for the long haul, unfortunately. But I'm sure that means this game is going to be very fine-tuned and polished when it drops so i'll take that!
I'm just out here celebrating the confirmation of there not being a block button.
Same brother. lol
@@BruiserMinion It was literally the last thing I was waiting to hear about the game. The one thing that could determine whether or not I would actually be interested in playing it. I *really* fucking hate block buttons and am of the opinion that they're always bad in a 2D fighter. So now my hype levels are through the roof and I can't wait to get my hands on this game.
@@kevinb5417 For sure man, this was something I was like genuinely worried about a while back but now we know and the hype is REAL. ...but I guess we wait for 1 - 2 years for the game to actually come out. lol
@@BruiserMinion I've expressed this sentiment many times, and people who are obviously into League but not familiar with fighting games would ask why. All it took was telling them to watch what Ekko did in his character reveal and explaining that a block button would mean that none of that actually works. Never had a single person think a block button is a good idea after that lol
@@kevinb5417Exactly! it would minimize setups A LOT. Left-right mixes are pretty huge, especially in tag games so that would be a big loss in depth. Plus side note, it's really awkward to hold a block button all the time if you play on stick imo. lol
Thank God there isn't a block button I honestly hate that mechanic the whole reason I don't play mortal kombat
Yea I love MK, have played it pretty much all my life - but I never get much into the competitive side of things for it either
Ad Mordekaiser pls
It Will be so cool
Agreed.
I wish Project L will be available on Mobile as well.
I could actually see that happening! League Wild rift of course is there, and ive seen mobile versions of solid fighting games like Skullgirls before
@@BruiserMinion Skullgirls wasn't good on mobile, I'm not a fanatic of that game. The character design perspectives and gameplay mechanics seemed odd, it doesn't deliver the console quality on the go. So far, SF Duel and KOF Arena were vague, they don't feel like fighting games on the go. Sadly enough, Metal Revolution has been shut down not long ago, I knew that game needs a major redo. Combo system needs more work and missing a grab button, but that was the first fighting game with a jump button, it is unknown when is it gonna revive? That was a good fighting game on mobile that has a console feel to it. Imagine Project L available on all platforms (consoles, PCs, and mobile) and being able to play cross platform multiplayer, that'll be a disruption in the fighting game community.
@@wllmjhuang Cross-play day one would be fantastic, that is a HUGE problem alot of games have is frankly we are a pretty small community when you compare fighting games to say FPS or MOBAs so it can be very hard to get opponents consistently for some games. Unfortunately I dont know if that would include a mobile version playing against Console and PC, that seems like a major hardware advantage for the PC/ Console player - but have you player other games where you could do that?
@@BruiserMinion Fortnite could, but sadly it's no longer available at iOS and Play store. Kartrider Drift is another one could play on all platforms in multiplayer.
@@wllmjhuang Oh yea! I did play mobile Fortnite way back when, forgot about that whole thing of it being delisted tbh. Well fingers crossed if they do a mobile version it is fully up to snuff. I want this game to do well of course, and as many avenues they can make work the better imo
5 button layout makes me, a pad player, very sad. They're already borrowing so many concepts from mvc and dbfz, just make it 4 main buttons so us pad players have an easier time.
Yea funny you should say this now I've been thinking about this a lot too because of wanting to pick up pad again for MK1. For Project L it's basically a six-button game - Light, Med, Heavy then Special 1 Special 2 and tag.... plus there is a BUNCH of 2 button macro/ combinations. Pushblock, Retreating guard, Parry, Grab, and even burst are some combination of 2 buttons at once and I'm really curious how it will feel on pad when you get used to it because frankly, I was struggling with the very little time I played it on pad at EVO. I think mappable macros for your free buttons and giving a lot of freedom to rebind things will be pretty key here
@@BruiserMinion It's not like they made a bad game or even a bad button scheme, but it's so clearly designed for stick and they just don't give a fuck about pad players. It honestly might just be unplayable for me, which makes me really sad because I have been looking forward to this game for years.
They could take a page out of MvC and have L,M,H plus a special button on the face keys, then tag and combinations of buttons on the bumpers and triggers. But they're so focused on simplified inputs that there's 2 special buttons instead of just making different moves have different quarter circle inputs. But outside of the L,M,H layout they could really take a page out of MvC:I's playbook because it is honestly a really well made game mechanically. It was a joke of a game on release because of the roster and character models, but the gameplay is actually really good and smooth, plus the tag system is done really well imo, with a combo breaking mechanic for the cost of 2 out of 4 meter. It's actually such a good game and I wish it got the recognition it deserves, but the MvC community is all about the roster, which I get because that's my #1 complaint with the game. But yeah, I feel like Project L has too much going on with it's button choices. They talk about making inputs more simple, but they traded movement inputs for a fuckton of buttons and combinations. I'd rather have quarter circles all day long. It's not like they need to do full circle, dragon punches, or anything really complicated.
Fair enough man I feel you. I will say though if you enjoyed MVCI I definitely think there is going to be a lot of shared DNA here and ive quite enjoyed what I've played of Project L so far. So hopefully they make it compatible enough for you to still enjoy it as a pad player, I really do think this game has huge potential @@crazysquriel
@@BruiserMinion I agree it does have a lot of potential, but realizing that potential is what I am worried about.
Honestly, MvCI was by far my favorite button layout. There was almost no coordination needed between fingers and thumb for pad players and any hard timing was relegated to main button inputs. It also had relatively easy to execute inputs and had fairly forgiving execution in comparison to many other fighters. My first traditional fighter that I played seriously was MvC3 and I still had trouble using assists at the correct timings during combos, attempting to coordinate my fingers and thumb. I would always have trouble with timing, often pressing slightly too fast or slow with my fingers and dropping the combo. I think having one button on my left hand while the rest on my right was part of the reason I had trouble. But with MvCI I never had that problem due to the tag system where you created your own assists by doing a move with your point character and then tagging your next character in. It was also easier because you didn't have to time when the assist would actually hit and just when you needed to press tag, making it feel much more responsive. I was also able to become much more proficient using more tech like tri-dashes, wave/air dashes, instant air dashes and even using flight combos with lots of air dashes incorporated, likely because of the slightly easier execution timings being more forgiving and not requiring things like plinking, which is something that a stick can perform much more easily. It felt like I was actually on an even playing field as a pad player against stick players.
I'm not sure how having dedicated assists will work out in a tag based game and hope they might do what MvCI did and allow for all types of creative assists, combos, and gameplay by just letting a tag happen at will and reduce the number of buttons needed. I also think having a good number of defensive options is good, but even with the ability to bind multiple buttons to a single trigger or bumper, with the amount they have it will soon become too many to even use a pad. There are only so many buttons on a pad and you will be forced to choose which ones are more important for you to bind and if you will be able to manually input any of them with the limited amount of possibilities and difficulty that presents for a pad player. I feel like in their quest for simplified inputs they have made using your left thumb unimaginably easy, while making your right hand and coordination between using your fingers with your thumb three times more difficult. I think it even effects stick players simply making the job of the right hand far harder while making the joystick slightly easier. In my opinion they have approached the idea of simplification from the wrong point of view.
I really think comeback mechanics don't belong in this game. Its in league because your character gets stronger but valorant for example doesnt have one. Really not a fan in a game made for esports
Yea thats fair, I wouldn't mind not having it here either. It is pretty normal for Tag Fighters to have some form of them, and in some of those games it can be VERY busted. (Like Marvel Vs Capcom 3's X factor which can absolutely wipe out a full team of 3 characters)
This is dead on arrive dude they can't compete with Tekken 8 sf 6 and mk12 don't even mentioned ongoing successful games like GG strive even kof15 could be survive if they fix mm and they're adding cross play soon .
I definitely think SF6 and T8 are going to be huge, no doubt about that - but why do you feel Project L will full on fail? Riot has some massive success in several extremely crowded genres - LOL is one of the biggest games in the world in spite of DOTA coming first, and same thing with Valorant even though Counterstrike has been huge for decades now. So I'm curious why do you think they can't do the same with fighting games?
Duuumb take. It's a free game with LoL as it's base, the biggest live service in the world.
@@Piccoclolo Yea to me there is no chance this game won't be massive for a fighting game at launch, then of course the gameplay and how good it is will determine how many people stick around. Personally, I have faith that not just Riot can make it work but specifically the team of people making Project L has a lot of FG Vets and people who really have a great pedigree for dope things already. I guess time shall tell. lol