Dorset's Lost Villages and What They Have in Common
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Jack approached the missing villages from a curious perspective that we had never heard of before so with set about researching all these abandoned villages and tried reflect on what Jack suggested what the answer.
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Jack Hargreaves did a documentary on these villages in the 1970s.
He dismissed the “plague villages” idea.
He said that the valley floor was all forested, and you could not live there. So people lived on the chalk hills, which only had scrubby trees. But when the forested valleys were cleared, the farmland was much better down there. So entire villages moved down to the valley floor, leaving abandoned villages above.
Ralph
Specifically he dismissed the idea that the plague killed all those villages entirely. The new labor shortage then drew the survivors off the chalk plains to the richer lands the Saxons had cleared.
@@andrewreynolds4949 If anyone's interested, here's Jack's film: czcams.com/video/2tdzLpjMdFc/video.html
This is interesting, having come to this video a year later so sorry for the necro. I have for a while been questioning why people live in waterlogged, difficult to maintain places like the Piddle Valley so tenaciously despite everything. Maintaining their way of life in that location requires a disproportionate amount of resources. But it's got that, as I say, tenacity of a settlement of humans - that it is their homes, and they would rather call on all the great technologies we have today than move. This wasn't the case for villagers of the past, especially when settlements were smaller and less physically embedded by their infrastructure.
I think the initial black death theories are correct for some of the villages, however the rest may well have been economic, the main things you keep on chalk are sheep, a drop in the prices of wool will have hit everyone in the area hard, without income the farmers don't spend money in subsidiary industries like the blacksmiths etc.
Your culprit for the later abandonment here could be one industry villages. The medieval wool industry was in decline in the 16th century, the wool towns barely survived, the hamlets and villages on the chalk likely did not.
There was also soil exhaustion. Population decline is noted to have started around the start of the 14th Century. Many of the deserted medieval villages still had a population fircat least a century after the end of the Black Death.
Jack Hargreaves did a documentary on these villages in the 1970s.
He dismissed the “plague villages” idea.
He said that the valley floor was all forested, and you could not live there. So people lived on the chalk hills, which only had scrubby trees. But when the forested valleys were cleared, the farmland was much better down there. So entire villages moved down to the valley floor, leaving abandoned villages above.
Jack Hargreaves is on video.
Ralph
@@RalphEllis
I was just about to mention the great Jack Hargreaves, the world needs TV presenters and programmes in the style he presented
I would suspect that sheep were a significant driver of demographic change on the downs. The black death affected all villages in a similar manner of course some were worse hit than others, but overall extinction of lowland and upland villages should be about the same. Jack Hargreaves mentioned by others put forward the expansion of lowland agriculture by taming the lowland swampy areas being ideal for dairy farming as a driver. That might of been an attractor but I suspect many of the early abandonment's were from the landlord pushing people off their land to make way for sheep retaining only small numbers of shepherds.
So a mix of improved lowland agriculture and sheep is my hypothesis for early abandonments.
@@philipwells2793 As I watched this I thought that it was likely 'landlords' took over larger scale farming and pushed the subsistence farmers off the land. Part of what made me think of this is that the larger manor houses seemed to have lasted there a lot longer.
There is a Jack Hargreaves video about those lost villages "why 79 dorset villages vanished"
that’s linked in the description…
Yup as we mentioned three times me ole fruit, plus linked in the description.
that video by Jack showed up in my feed months ago because of watching your videos! this is a perfect companion to Jack’s video and something i’m sure he’d approve of as i believe he’d utilize the same things that you used from sources to technology if he had them 40 years ago
Ah thanks. I hope he would approve.
I live in Dorset. My village church is surrounded by empty fields, and sits about a mile from the current village centre. The old village was abandoned during the plague, and the survivors resettled on the hill above the old village.
Oooh what village Bob?
@@pwhitewick Lytchett Matravers, the old church is St. Mary's
Paul: "I've been looking at abandoned villages"
Rebecca: "in Dorset?"
Paul: "yes, I'd recommend it to anybody"
Paul, this show is magnificent. Really, really magnificent.
Thanks Joseph.
I can see why you enjoyed making this video, all the research, and on-the-ground exploring seem fascinating.
Thanks Andy. A real treat and a pleasure to make.
And no digging !!!
My ancestors came from Tyneham, a village lost within living memory, but for very different reasons.
Yup that appeared in our searches many times!
This is the best history/archeological documentary I’ve seen since the old time team. (Before they tried to sexy time team up and ruined it). You’ve done a brilliant job on this video. It’s superb quality and obvious you put a huge amount of time into it.
Good Morning from Kansas!
I watched the Jack Hargreaves video a couple of months ago and it was an interesting viewpoint.
On a completely different topic; when I read Pratchett's Tiffany Aching stories I always envisioned "The Chalk" looking like Dorset. It just fits.
I believe Terry was bought up in the area, which is why he has such an affinity for it.
Excellent work, Paul. You would love the deserted village of Wharram Percy, complete with ruined church, duckpond, and abandoned railway line. It's in the Yorkshire Wolds.
Sounds idilic.
Another area of chalklands?
@@AnthonyIlstonJones limestone, I think, but I could be wrong.
@@ColinH1973 Chalk IS a type of oolitic limestone, and I'm pretty sure much of the eastern half of Yorkshire is on the chalk. It forms a swathe down the eastern side of the country before turning west across what was Wessex back in the day. Not looked at a geological map in a while though..... 🙂
Thank you for doing this video. I've watched all the Jack Hargreaves videos I could find, and his theories about the black death certainly looks like a good working hypothesis. I did feel that it was a bit too clear-cut, too "comfortable" as the "smoking gun" behind the lost villages, but not being a historian meant to me that I would probably never have to opportunity to suss this out. So, this video from you and Rebecca definitely points in the right direction from my perspective, and more importantly it raises fresh questions on what really happened. Cracking video, and I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only "Jack Hargreaves Groupie"! :-D
Exactly the same village abandonment happened on the South Downs in Sussex. It's also the same chalk geology. When the Black Death impacted in the 14th century it meant that many villages in the lowlands were also abandoned or severely depleted. Possibly the upland villages were abandonded because the survivors were able to occupy the the spare lowland where the ground is better irrigated and more fertile?
I was there today actually and did wonder.
It's a lot easier to farm when the soil is more then 2 inches deep! The problem with the fertile lowland was the trees which had to wait for better organised land owners.
@@thamesmud Better ploughs too.
That’s about what Jack Hargreaves claimed in his documentary from 1984
I appreciate ALL of the efforts you put into each of your presentations! Between travel, hiking miles on end, research, shooting, editing, plus any perils along the way, the quality shines every time.
A most fascinating visit to the Dorset of the past. Pestilence in the cloak of the black plague wiped out entire villages. Families, livestock,
and the like, but the stone constructions stood their ground. What a testament to those earlier times. The human race is resilient and shall
never succumb in total to unforeseen anomalies that are hurled at us out of the blue. I know our future is secure. Thanks Paul!
That little chapel with the ruins adjacent and earth works behind, is one of the most fascinating locations i've ever seen. Just WOW. Keep up the great work guys. Brilliant channel.
Love Rebecca's ghostly image in the window waiving
its interesting. over here in sussex there were 100s of villages scattered around what is now the West Dean Estate. The last remains of these are a hamlet of 3 houses called Hooksway, and a house & cottage in an area marked as Monkton, of which a chapel still remains. All this area was wiped out by the plague as well.
A lot of the ancient tracks are still used by logging vehicles.
A friend of mine mentioned plague villages of Dorset just a few weeks ago so the timing of this is interesting! I have lived in Dorset on and off for over 30 years. I’ve always thought Whitcombe just outside Dorchester must of been abandoned as only the Church remains…
We visited the church (courtesy of Geocaching) and found the whole area fascinating
This had me 'wow!' 'wow!' 'wow!' at every twist and turn. Much appreciated, on a few points. Opening up my eyes to one thing I find peculiar - the years of populace in England should have towns/villages all over the place and yet there are none. So you've solved that for me. The lovely appreciation of architecture over time - well worth the video watch alone. And the ohmygiddyaunt sneaky watching out for Rebecca in the back ground, whether it be by her shadow - filming, her wave in the window, her filming of you in the distance? Lovely editing, really lovely stuff. More of this wow, wow, wow, if you please Paul, just the way I like it!!
From someone who has recently published a YT video on this very topic, I really do appreciate the effort you've put into this. Certainly more informative than my offering. Well done! I arrived at a similar conclusion, yes, the Black Death was responsible for many lost villages, but not all disappeared at the same time directly due to the pandemic. Some took many more years to disappear. Another major factor was the collapse of the Feudal system as the result of the Black Death. Land Owners lost their serfs (peasants), and had no one to work their land. Large settlements dwindled as a result, as the serfs moved to more urban settlements. Hence, several villages disappeared more slowly over the following 2 centuries. Many thanks for taking the time and effort to create and share, thoroughly enjoyable 👍
My neck of the woods. I live not far from Hanford. I also see you have Milton Abbas on your list which was raised after the land owner decided he didn't want the village within the boundary of the house when Capability Brown was designing the gardens.
Yet another reason for disappearing villages, snooty landlords.
As an American, these videos make me very jealous of the chance to just wander around a field and walk into a piece of millennium-old stonework. While civilization here in the US is essentially as old as in Europe, masonry wasn't a common practice and there's something special about knowing you're standing in a building where lives were lived over many generations. Thanks for sharing your slice of history!
"Civilisation here in the US is essentially as old as in Europe"...?
Sherborne, in Dorset, where I live, is well over 1000 years old, and is not particularly exceptional.
They built with stone because their ancestors had cut down so many trees....they didn't do it for romantic notions of posterity.
People for always and forever seek the most "efficient" methods.
We in America & Canada had (& still have) a continent full of trees. We build with lumber to this day, much to the chagrin of chest thumping Brits and Germans who bellow on about cement blocks and brick.
We will continue to build with wood until only national parks have any measurable amounts of wood. Then we'll use some other material.
Great video this week, thank you. I like Dorset. Shall show it to my sister who lives in Weymouth
A fantastic mini documentary! Excellently researched and presented.
My theory is that the Black Death hastened the demise of these villages but there were a number of waves of the plague in the 14th and 15th century.
Chalk is not great for arable farming and it could be that the surviving villagers moved to the valleys. I think others have commented about the fall in the value of wool as well would have contributed to the villages declining
I grew up near Knowlton, in Wimborne Minster. So many tales about Knowlton Church and Knowlton rings. Apparently it was built on pagan land and over the years it is said that the church burnt down at least 2 or 3 times every time it was rebuilt Also that the yew trees at one end of the ring marked what used to be an alter. Dorset has the most amazing history! Thanks for a great video.
Interesting bit of history. I suppose we know well how they looked because so many others survived. Thanks for the Hargreaves link.
It's a beautiful video
I hope this is a new series along the lines of abandoned railways and canals. I can't visit the places that you feature (yet) so your videos are the next best thing.
Please keep em coming!
Great video Paul, Dorset is indeed a gem!
I have been watching Jack's old show so your show came up in my feed... finally the algorithm serves me :D
The Black Plague is a very complicated part of history. The 1346 to 1353 version is a go-to version, but there are other occurrences before and after (even up to a few years ago). Usually tied to atmospheric changes to favour a mix of dry weather and famine (natural variations or volcanic weather events). If leading into the 1300's there was a general 'drying' then chalk lands may have become unsuitable for cropping. Farmers know where the money is, and it isn't in dead fields.
Absolutely loved it, thanks so much. History is always great and we are never too old to learn. Thanks for taking me along. Please stay safe and take care
Your channel is so so good and your passion comes through so well. Please keep up the brilliant work!
Thanks for picking up where Jack left off, great fun
Great stuff Paul, lovely countryside, and interesting views, keep up the excellent work....
Fascinating and superbly edited. I can tell that you put a huge amount of work into it. Dorset is a wonderful place and you are right about the geology being important.
Thanks Paul really enjoyed this and your efforts are very much appreciated
Most interesting Paul ! Sunday nights are a bit special since I stumbled across your channel. Thanks
The work and effort you put into these video's is amazing!! Thank you 👍
Brilliant video - loved the in-depth investigation of places that are unknown to many, and the various shots and clips were stunning.
Fascinating. Totally what I am interested in. Thank you. Nice to see such a beautiful sunny day. Cheers
Nice video Paul and interesting, hard work there too with all the research well done and thank you.
a brilliant informative video as always of my favourite county. thank you so much 👍👍
Really great video. I liked the way you used aerial shots, maps and google earth along with your hiking commentary. Great editing too
Fantastic and very interesting content Paul great research much have took a lot time and effort. Thank you for sharing.
Fantastic. Beautiful. Speechless.
A lot of research gone into this, often the fun bit! Thanks for another fascinating look at a unique subject
Great film Paul, thanks.
a really cool interesting video again paul and rebecca , well done and thank you again guys 😊
Another interesting story and some wonderful pictures of the area of Dorset. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Beautiful videography Paul!
Thanks Paul for a really fantastic video!
Lovely and fascinating video. Thank you.
Great Video & Full Of Insight... Well Done..
Great video as usual Paul, you should take a trip to Imber Village in Wiltshire, that was abandoned during WW2 to practise for the D-Day landings. Its in the middle of Salisbury Plain Military training area, but you can catch a double decker bus from Warminster, on bank holiday weekends :)
We did go a few years ago actually. But didn't take the camera. One day soon.
Not so much "abandoned" as 'cleared', IDD: The military evicted everyone from the village a week before Christmas 1943.
🍌🙂
The bus services are just one Saturday a year. And it's organised by enthusiasts such as Sir Peter Hendy. What I'd really like is to get a Routemaster to and from a parkrun on the day!
Well done, and some interesting points to ponder.
amazing 👏 More of these please!! DMVs are fascinating
Really enjoyed watching this, its a subject I'm very interested in.. Unfortunately most of our lost villages up this way have fallen into the sea so abit difficult to film! Thanks for all the effort you put in sharing it with us. ATB Em and Stu 😊👍
I love walking those sunken ways, great video.
So interesting. What a research you have done. Also you must have walked for miles. Thank you for showing us your explore. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Another interesting video Paul loved the content you put a lot of time and effort into it keep up your great work 👍👍
Very professional and informative. Thank you.
You're such a talented narrator Paul. Thank you
wow thats some awesome research paul
That was incredibly interesting Paul, thank you!
Always great videos.
Great stuff- the time and effort you put into these videos is much appreciated ;)
Different video to what I normally watch by you, but I have only subscribed this week (instead of randomly watching videos when You tube recommended them)
I really enjoyed it, even though its not what I come to your channel for (Railways first, Canals second, Rebecca mocking you third...)
Every video is so informative, and you keep finding new things for me to say, “Wow, I never thought of / knew that”. Beautifully put together. Thank you for doing this, keeps me going during my post-op recovery!
Wow, some great scenery. And bit of a jaw drop when you say why...
Excellent episode and a great modern addition to Jack's, your camera work is fabulous, stunning scenery. I spent a lot of time in Dorset before moving to Canada a few years ago and this brings back great memories as do most of your episodes. Great channel.
Fine tour, thank you.
Interesting video as always. Looks like you had some lovely walks to visit those churches.
Very good Paul, here in Kent we have a few Plague Villages (Stelling and Dode spring to mind), however it was the law that any new Village was to be established 1 Statutory Mile from the old location. I recently watch the Jack Hargreaves program (Out of Town/Old Country??) which dealt with this very subject. He came to the conclusion that only a handful were reliably attributed to the Black Death and the rest to the end of the Feudal System, The Enclosure Act and the very start of the Industrial Revolution.
That all said I really enjoyed your film (as ever) and your insights into the Church Architecture. More please, I love the railways, canals and old roads but this is as good. Thank you for making and posting.
Watched a few of Jack Hargreaves' old programmes recently, including the one on the disappearance of the Dorset villages. He was the ultimate presenter of countryside matters. Countryfile does not come close to Old Country or Out of Town.
Hadn't thought about the Enclosures and their effect on the landscape (and society). Well worth P & R looking into.
A very interesting story. There are a few abandoned medieval villages over this way, but it seems Dorset has a particularly high number, for similar geography
Isfield.....!
@@pwhitewick Isfield isn't abandoned 🤔 the church is a way from the current village centre, near the manor house, castle site and the confluence of the rivers where there was ironworks. The church is old but not that old.
Most of the modern village is nearer the railway. It's also a long way from the Downs
@@whereinsussex made me wonder though. Why it's not at the heart of the village.
@@pwhitewick when you go to Isfield, the buildings in the current village are mostly post railway coming, Berwick (Sussex) has a double nucleus and so does Plumpton: both have new villages around the railway.
The church at Isfield has a private chapel for the Shirley family and is next to where the manor is, with the mill and before that the medieval ironworks nearby, so I think if it wasn't for the railway it would just be a small village with a church for the manor
@@pwhitewick now... if you want a possible black death village church, Laughton (pronounced Law-ton don't you know!) is a possible hit. The village that is the "Home of the Buckle" - the Pelham Buckle, which is proudly displayed on said church
Really enjoyed this thanks Paul & Rebecca. Stunning videography. Lots of abandoned villages in Norfolk and we have the the same chalk band too. No idea if our abandoned villages sit on this though!
fantastic vid and thank you for your research and effort
Very enjoyable. Love the history. you and Rebecca do a great job.i am here in nh usa. Cannot wait for the next episode. Keep up the great work 👍
Outstanding work.
Thank you very much Paul, most interesting. I watched Jack Hargreaves’s old video on the subject only a couple of weeks ago and your update on the topics was great. I love Dorset, my last job in the UK was with Dorset Waste Partnership, what a great place to collect rubbish!
Wow, superb presentation Paul, I really enjoyed that, the whole tale was fascinating. The reason I love your stuff is because it's not a detailed documentary, just a bloke with an interest, going for a walk and taking us along. Great stuff.
Thank you for the walk round!
Outstanding Paul 👏🏻 Beyond TV worthy. I’ve shot Knowlton in just about every type of light, every weather, under stars and milky way - in the snow and spent many hours there alone.
This video really brought those memories back and was so well put together. Excellent stuff my friend 👍🏻👍🏻
Great narative. Thank you
Brilliant video. I knew of Knowlton (great to see my drone work there) but I didn't know of the other villages. The plague hit that area particularly hard!
Who knew? So much mystery to unravel. Great vid thanks
One of your best videos. Thank you.
Excellent vid on the lost villages, I had watched Jack Hargreaves on the subject not that long ago... Some interesting theories... 👍👍👍👍👍
Excellent video again. Imagine living through the great famine and the a big whammy the plague. Enough to make everyone run away x
Interesting change from the railways Paul nice one
Great video as always. Don't stop challenging the accepted theories! One size never fita all!
Brilliant as always
Thank you very much for such a wonderful video, I´m sure Jack would have enjoyed watching it as well. You know I think its up there as one of your best, well done!!
I enjoyed the OS map sequences which came out very clearly and the switch over to the geological map, (worth reading the story of the first geological map by Simon Winchester - The map that changed the world). The choice of music was very good as well.
Good luck from Spain!!
Fabulous and fascinating 👍
Really good and interesting video, with all the emphasis on the chalk I was half expecting the conclusion was going the be the loss of water throughout the year in these ‘higher’ villages as the overall water table has reduced over the years (as per what you mentioned with the Roman aquaduct video), the Black Death explanation was certainly a ‘right turn’ for me. You’ve certainly got me hooked on your videos….
Absolutely fascinating i lived near Dorchester
I commend you for the excellent filming and editing techniques. The story was great too. Very good theory.
Great stuff Paul & Rebecca. I told you Dorset has lots of mysteries. Sometimes I just like to walk in the county and not investigate anything but just wonder and imagine the mysteries of how people lived hundreds of years ago. Sometimes I reckon less is more with this stuff.