Modern | Harbinger and Hand Disruption? Call that ThoughtSeas
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
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0:00 Intro
3:24 Round 1 UR Wizards
8:50 Round 2 Eldrazi
23:50 Round 3 Tron
30:37 Round 4 UW Isochron Scepter Control
39:19 Round 5 Jeskai Control
46:10 Wrap Up - Hry
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Mike was cooking a stew with that title
Woah woah woah Mike, don't scare me like that, you start off popping off about pioneer and I freaked out! I was double taking the decklist on screen here making sure it wasn't pioneer! 🤣😂🤣
Haha I wouldn't go that far. Just have to occasionally remind myself that other formats do exist.
I know it doesn’t have shadow but I would be interested in seeing you try the dimir murktide deck Yuta played at the pro tour
I gave it a shot in a league off camera, and had some pretty bad hiccups. But I am planning on giving it a shot on stream, so that will be coming soon.
dude sweet list and awesome plays, thinking about playing it but no money for tamiyos, do you think psychic frog would be a fine substitute? also break the ice instead of harbinger and no swamp for better mana base? lmk
Definitely yes to break the ice and no swamp over the harbinger, I think that's completely fine. For the frog question, I'm not completely sold on frog, so I can't directly recommend it, but I know others who swear by it so I don't think it would be a bad choice regardless.
Have you thought about surgical over nhil spell-bomb? I’ve heard surgical is good against phlage
I've thought about surgical in general, but not just as a phlage answer. I could see maybe using it against jeskai to hit a snapcaster target or wrath if they don't see phlage, but pretty sketchy against the boros energy decks.
Would it ever be viable to play 4x frog instead of 4x wraith? Or is the life loss too important for shadow?
So I'm big on the 4 wraith mainly for improving the consistency of tamiyo flips early, but if you're less high on tamiyo or more just want to play the frog, then I think the swap out won't affect much.
Is playing a 0/3 really what you want to be doing in a tempo deck? Wouldn't something like stalactite stalker be better?
So when I look at Dimir, I don't really think of it as a tempo deck, I think of it as a control deck with some aggressively slanted finishers. You're not trying to leverage early turn advantages with cards like lightning bolt, spell pierce, drc, or rag, you're playing actual counterspell, force of negation, fatal push, thoughtseize, and it just happens that your creatures are sized the close out the game in a short time frame. Tamiyo fits that mold of cheap cost, no more investment after she hits the board, and can ult as soon as turn 4/5, effectively ending the game. For Stalker, assuming you descend every single turn (crack a fetch, sac a bauble, cycle a wraith, or have something die), you're looking at a turn 6 kill: hitting for 2 on turn 2, 3 on 3, etc until 6 on 6 is exactly 20 damage. So Tamiyo flipping on 2 is still effectively ending the game a turn sooner, but actually ending it usually on the same turn. The big difference though is the investment. If you don't descend on any one of those turns, your clock is thrown off by a turn, if you miss multiple descents, you could be looking at an 8 or 9 turn clock, where Tamiyo just needs that initial push of just drawing cards. Plus on the downside, an unflipped tamiyo is still drawing a card a turn, where a non descended stalker is hitting for 1 or maybe saccing off to take out a 1 toughness creature (not a lot of those running around).
@@thecntrlfreak1347 oh I see, yeah makes sense. Maybe I need myself a pair of tamiyos then eventually :) I played your nulldrifter deck last week at a paper event and had a blast!
With all that card sift/draw, it seems a 1-of Toxic Deluge mb would really be worth the slot.
That's a suggestion I've heard before, and it could possibly help some against nadu/boros game 1. Right now the list is really hedged towards the unfair stuff game 1 and sideboarding in to a fair plan, but you could easily cut the force from the main for a deluge if you wanted a tiny bit more balance.
I am a Dimir only player and I usually play mill but I have gone 0-4 3 times in a row at LGS, I am really looking for a great dimir deck to win at least 1 game
I haven't played Mill much in recent years, but it always looks pretty fun. Dimir Shadow is definitely a blast, but I will say that it is pretty unforgiving. So if you decide to pick it up, give yourself a little time to get used to some of the play patterns and lines before you put too much pressure on yourself to win.
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Takahashi got 5-8th place on a 240+ tournament with dimir murktide no shadows no goyfs but frogs and tamiyo.
On his pro tour list he cut tamiyo saying he didnt enjoy it because it died to phlage, i believe he went 7-3 on modern but ended 8-8 overall cause of draft.
Maybe frog + deep analysis is the truth , still i will try to find a way to put shadows in that deck i think.
I ran the deck through a league and had some pretty big issues, but that's a small sample size. I'll give it another shot at some point, but I kept finding analysis without a frog and it looked horrendous, or had a frog with only 2 or so cards in hand that I couldn't afford to throw away, so my frog was just pinging for 1 every turn. I didn't like giving my opponents so many extra draw steps.
Mike I need help to get a similar list in Arena Timeless. Basically UB Scam Necrogoyf Shadow. With Reanimate and Troll
That sounds pretty sweet. I'll have to go check out what cards are available, and post a list in the discord.
whenever i throw in a third Drown in the loch i always regret it because the mediocre GY hate isnt as bad as it should be
Yeah the third can be a little awkward, and I see plenty of lists not running any at all, but the card has saved me so many times that I feel it's worth it.
Where is the promised brineborn cutthroat???
the people are demanding this, Michael.
I'll have to direct everyone to the promised time, over a year ago, when Brineborne was the elite 2 mana threat that Dimir deserved.
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