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Expressions like "feeling down" or "feeling low" are more literal than we think, says Lost Connections author Johann Hari. A 30-year field study of wild African baboons by the incredible Stanford University professor Robert Sapolsky has shown that there is a remarkable relationship between depression, anxiety, and social hierarchies. Male baboons-who live in a very strict pecking order-suffer the most psychological stress when their social status is insecure, or when they are on the bottom rung, looking up at the luxuries of others. Does it sound familiar yet? "If you live in the United States... we’re at the greatest levels of inequality since the 1920s," says Hari. "There’s a few people at the very top, there’s a kind of precarious middle, and there’s a huge and swelling bottom." It's no coincidence that mental health gets poorer as the wealth gap continues to widen: depression and anxiety are socioeconomic diseases. The silver lining is that this relationship has been discovered. Could an economic revolution end the depression epidemic? And, most curiously, what can we learn from the Amish on this front? Johann Hari is the author of Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression - and the Unexpected Solutions.
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JOHANN HARI :
Johann Hari is the New York Times bestselling author of Chasing the Scream, which is being adapted into a feature film. He was twice named Newspaper Journalist of the Year by Amnesty International UK. He has written for many of the world’s leading newspapers and magazines, including the New York Times, Le Monde, the Guardian, the Los Angeles Times, the New Republic, the Nation, Slate, El Mundo, and the Sydney Morning Herald. He was a lead op-ed columnist for the Independent, one of Britain’s leading newspapers, for nine years. He is a regular panelist on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher. His TED talk, “Everything You Think You Know About Addiction Is Wrong,” has more than 20 million views.
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Johann Hari: When I feel depressed, like loads of people I say, “I feel down,” right?
And as I was learning about the causes of depression and anxiety for my book 'Lost Connections' I started to realize-I don’t think that’s a metaphor. There’s this amazing professor at Stanford called Robert Sapolsky who, in his early twenties, went to live with a troop of baboons in Kenya. And it was his job to figure out: when are baboons most stressed out?
So his job was to hit them with little tranquilizer darts and then take a blood test and measure something called cortisol, which is a hormone that baboons and us release when we’re stressed. And baboons live in this hierarchy-so the females don’t, interestingly-but the men live in a very strict hierarchy. So if there’s 30 men, number one knows he’s above number two. Number two knows he’s above number three. Number 12 knows he’s above number 13. And that really determines a lot; it determines who you get to have sex with, it determines what you get to eat, it determines whether you get to sit in the shade or you’re pushed out into the heat. So really it's significant where you are in the hierarchy.
And what Professor Sapolsky found is that baboons are most stressed in two situations. One is when their status is insecure. So if you’re the top guy and someone’s circling which comes for you, you will be massively stressed.
And the other situation is when you feel you’re at the bottom of the hierarchy, you’ve been kind of humiliated. And what Professor Sapolsky noticed-and then it was later developed by other scientists-is, when you feel you’ve been pushed to the bottom, what you do is you show something called a submission gesture.
So you, baboons will raise- I say “you,” I assume no baboons are watching this, maybe they are-a baboon will put its body down physically or put it’s head down or put its bottom in the air and it will cover its head. So it’s clearly seems to be communicating: “Just leave me alone. You’ve beaten me, okay? You’ve beaten me.”
And what lots of scientists, like Professor Paul Gilbert in Britain and Professor Kate Pickett and Professor Richard Wilkinson, also in Britain, have really developed is this idea that actually what human depression is, in part-not entirely, but in part-is a form of a submission gesture. It’s a way of saying, “I can’t cope with this anymore,” right. Particularly people who feel th...
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Also a key factor in work related depression is time .Or lack of it. Time you waste all day in a office and on the commute .At the end of the day you only have a few hours to enjoy life .That, in my opinion, is very depressing.
FantasticDiesel Very well said. We are slaves to time, or lack of it. CEOs get to live it up on the golf course while we suffer to make ends meet and barely have time for chores or leisure at home.
FantasticDiesel Amen
Yup- can’t really solve this issue . Got mortgage , child , bills, ill wife... smh
@Rating Ashark enjoy highschool while you can... It will be the last happy time you get before entering adulthood, cuz then no one for real won't give a shit, cuz you will be responsible for everything now...
Your right
My biggest source of stress is having to deal with people who for some reason dont like me or ignore me. Especially if they have a leadership position
Fu*k them , you are the one who matters in your life . Dont run after people who make if you feel bad .
Lol I feel this so heavy
I’m on the same boat.
Yes
damn, this is me rn. I'm planning to resign because of that reason.
I earn a lot of money and i hate my job . I hate being controlled all the time . I just dont want to be there but I'm the only provider at home. I feel sick every Sunday night just thinking about going ti work the next day. I would give anything if i could to be free. The most scary thing is that is affecting my relationship with my family due to my stress levels
I can relate a lot 😥😢
@@ria6271 we need to keep going its hard but we have to
@@Ruben-lk3ld yes for our loved ones.
Yeah, same here, so many of us in this position
You "have to" work? You have no choice? It looks like you love your family so much. How about this: You choose to stay on this work because you want to provide your family with the best?
Because you're free to switch to another job in a better environment, but you choose to stay, there's a reason for that, the reason is you want to provide your family with the best, or you want a high salary. If neither family or high salary is your motif, then you can really think on what really makes you choose to stay.
Most of the people do not hate the job they do. They hate the narcissistic boss and nasty colleagues they have to deal with on a daily base.
AMEN TO THAT!
I had a job I really loved, worked with someone that I could really work with well, she was my lead, so I didn't even know my boss was a boob because I didn't have to talk to her. Then we made one bad hire and that was it. The rest was all downhill after that. That is all it took one bad hire.
This is true
as well as disliking the customer base as well
Absolutely 💯
Incredibly depressing when you don’t connect with anyone, you see other people talking to each other all the time, and you feel frickin invisible. And alone outside of work really does a number. I don’t belong anywhere and it’s awful.
I'm in the same boat. You're only visible when people need you to do something
Hang in there. You are seen and beautiful.
I'm your friend Lily
I agree; I used by higher ups when needed; it's causing situational depression. I hate feeling all alone however I'd rather feel alone than to deal with people who think they're better than you. 🙌
Even worse when you try to connect but others just dont want you to, apparently for no logic reason... My collegues know and work together for 10 years. They are good friends, they talk all the time and help each other at work, meanwhile I just have to be there doing my work with my narcisist boss which makes huge mistakes and blame others and me the whole time. And it wont change, since she is from the family of the owners. Im just sick with anxiety, I cant never really turn off my mind from work when im at home or weekends... I want to leave asap.
One factor causing depression at work is going to work
Lmfao right
Forreal
😂
Facts 😔
Yeah especially if the work sucks and boss sucks and the pay is less
As a society we aren't building towards something, we are just creating value for shareholders.
This too. Before your labor translated into tangible goods for your community. Now you're jsut one of countless employees shuffling papers in offices every week for months or years. At the end of it you can't see what you've actually created.
Funny you should say that! At 62 I am seeing that as a person that desires to fix things, including human relation issues at work, our workplaces are so dysfunctionally organized and run by a variety of disconnected leaders with different agendas, that in the end....we're serving these leaders ego's and pockets, not the business. Oh yes, businesses make a few strides here and there over the years but certainly NOT the volume they could be if their was a united vision and buy in by all employees, and their contributions allowed. Those in power ISTJ's don't have a heart and could give a rats petunny about anything but their salary and ego. As I reflect now near the end of my career, despite what I felt were contributions over my career, we're just miles run on a hamsters work wheel to nowhere significant. My greatest contributions in my life have been in the lives I have helped along the journey of life, not my employers. Decide what you want your legacy to be early in life, I wish I had known what the true focus was in life so that I could have focused on the greatest use of my energy and not spent endless hours working trying to reach the carrot that I could never grasp.
Lies again? Disney Animations Barcelona One
I searched CZcams with "depression due to work". Found this video. And after reading the comments I realised I am not alone. People are suffering at work. We need to do something, may be connect on some platform and discuss ideas to minimise this suffering and improve our quality of life.
I like his idea on democratized work spaces. I don’t know how realistic that is because businesses costs money to start, but I would say focusing on the bits of your work you’re in control of and trying to look out for coworkers is a small start
Spoiler alert: being treated like farm animals makes people sad.
King Doomfist Exactly, it was never meant to be that way. We are allowing it though. It starts in the public schools.
Spoiler alert: slavery makes slaves sad.
haku That too, we are slaves who are treated like farm animals LOL
Why is it sad to be a farm animal?
Ramp Shark communism would not be better in this case all these systems are just fucking bullshit
Choose your field of work wisely. I chose to avoid dealing with members of the public. I think that has helped me maintain some sanity.
Amen to that- I’m in a public job now smh.
My next job I need bare minimum contact with people
Customer service is an awful way to make a living. Customers seem to think they have the right to be rude and verbally abusive toward you, when you had nothing to do with their issue in the first place. But yet, somehow you are the emotional punching bag.
I refused to get an office job. People laughed at me and said I am supposed to be a wage slave. Now im doing pretty well completely client based work. And its fun and I love my work.
@@JMRabil675 good for you
This guy's 100% right - and I've been saying the same thing for ages. Society is mentally ill, not people.
JeremyIan there's a great quote about that by Aldous Huxley... but I agree, society is sick, and so are those who consider themselves well adjusted to it.
Truth Be Told, do you like people who hate people too?
JeremyIan Probably LOL... not sure what you mean.
Society is sick and getting sicker.
If the murder rate was rising as fast as the active and passive suicide rate it would be headline news.
You realize that society is merely a collection of individual people, don't you?
Being able to decide when you work or need to work and being able to choose when to take a personal day would be a perfect first step towards making people happier in their jobs.
Exactly
There is a down side to that unfortunately. If you give em an inch they'll take a mile
Work is the whole reason I am miserable. I was not made for this society we live in.
I've gotten to a point that I hate my job sooo much it makes me physically sick and even manifests as severe depression. Sadly I have no escape...
YEAH, that sick feeling on a Sunday night . He's correct. And now it's just grown and grown over the course of 30 years into my mental break down now. I want to work for me but I have no clue how to start .
Try hiring someone using your money or buy item that can be use for passive income
Same😔
I absolutely hear you. So tired of making other people money. Now want to make my own. But no idea how to start. I’m in the same situation. I’d like to know how & where to contact warehouse merchandise suppliers.
And I'm only 2 months at this job and already feeling sadness and panic.
I'm in the same situation. I feel you. You are not alone.
Same here. I have worked for 2 fucking months and it is so depressing and boring. I finally realized today when my boss said that I”m overqualified for this position. No wonder why duh
@@Liveeachdaytothefullest narcisist boss. Runnnn
Four weeks
@@cynthiaholland13 2 months and I wanna leave already
George Carlin: Given the condition of the World, depression is a natural response. It is the happy people who should be seeking treatment.
This 🙌🙌🙌 that man was always spot on
Hahahahahha
Spot on, our society is advanced and comfortable - but negligent of mental health - too busy for such
Shit,what clip is that from?
So true.
A depressed introvert here. I suffered from past trauma and now it's even worse at work. My coworkers are controlling and treat me like shit everyday and the pay isn't great but I keep fighting because I need the job to support my family.
I’m sorry to hear that. How are you doing now???
YES!! This! Right there with you. Makes you wish you could lift some headset off and find out the whole thing was just a program you were plugged into. 😌Reality is you have a job where people don’t bother you, when you have to interact it’s a positive experience, you get paid enough to take care of all your needs, nobody behaves in a way to remind you of your past trauma, your leadership and teammates aren’t constantly trying to control you, and you have the financial support you need at home. All that other mess was just the app/game.
Same bro but kinda it's much worse than you
It's like you vs everybody in work 😐😢
@@pudge9845hey how are you now? Coz I'm in the same boat as you right now?
@@pudge9845hey how are you now? Coz I'm in the same boat as you right now?
My job depression comes from toxic coworkers. Just being in their presence is taxing on my emotional health.
How are you doing now? I’m also in the same toxic environment.
@@hueso5071 Much better. I got a new job and work from home.
@@user-ho8br1cw8c great to hear!
I definitely have that one coworker at my one job and he just irks me to the point where i want to punch him so bad but i remember his karma
Same 😢
Upper management feels very suffocating at the moment. Their micromanaging is causing so much unwanted stress in a place that I used to have fun at.
💯
I’ve also experienced this with my old job. Small company I worked at for 9 years sold out to a big cooperative health fund. They knew nothing about our Optometry industry. They came in & tried to micromanage us. I was accused of not accepting change. Here’s me they call Gypsy, because I do like change. Showed just how little they knew me & tried to tell me to accept it as I needed my job 😂. I left , sold our house and Moved into our investment retirement property in a little fishing village in the country and have never looked back 💃
Yes, thank you for this. I feel discouraged and like I’m dreading going to work everyday at my new job. The camaraderie is practically non existent. Every job that I didn’t mind going to, even if it wasn’t my dream job, I tolerated because of the relationships with my coworkers. I wish I could win the lottery and just quit. I’m so sick of giving hours of my life away in a place where I don’t feel appreciated.
i don’t want to do anything anymore. i don’t want to work but i don’t want to not work. i just want to be. and it wont happen until i’m dead
Feel controlled. God dammit that's it. I even lose my common sense at workplace end up asking dumb question most of the time.
I have struggled with anxiety and depression for years. I am currently medicated to help alleviate the stresses, though I am not solving the underlying problem. This gentlemen is a breathe of fresh air, everything he said made perfect sense to me.
Also fix your diet if you haven't yet. Too many refined carbohydrates and not enough healthy fats, fiber, vitamins and minerals coming from green vegetables caused big chunks of my depression as well besides the here mentioned social and psychological reasons.
Obviously don't forget education
Keeping an open mind about despite the negative feelings helps a long way.
This is the best presentation that actually aligns with what's causing my depression. Just knowing the fact that someone like you understands the core issue makes me feel better about myself and that I am not going crazy alone.
As a psychiatrist I often say to patients with depression Gee you don’t need Prozac you need a job-ectomy.
First time I see a psychiatrist comment on CZcams
How do you get the strength to make the change when you’re depressed?
🎯🎯🎯🎯
I left my first corporate job recently, I worked there for 3 years. I have no more savings. No money to live off and pay the bills or we are homeless. Unfortunately I'm stuck looking desperately for another job. Nobody wants me, and the only jobs available are 12-14hr jobs in warehouse or call center, never touching those jobs. I just can't take it or I just wouldn't want to live anymore. I'm just stressed and anxious 24/7. I have a chronic illness which makes everything harder. Nobody cares. I've tried everything possible to make money, even stupid things. I run multiple online businesses, have multiple CZcams Channels, I spent all my savings on trying to become a voice actor, which was my passion and the most i've made in a year is $30. I worked so freaking hard, even during my full time job all I did was grind outside of my job. I can't do this anymore, how do people live like this. My whole family thinks i'm a disgrace as I left a good paying job, but it was super toxic and stressful. Constant deadlines, daily meetings and managers making you stay unpaid overtime. I'm only 23. I can't do this for another 40+ years. I wish I knew what to do... Don't even dare to talk to me about cryptocurrency or NFTs, i'll report your comments. Just sick of this bullshit society.
On one hand it is true that living a comfortable life takes work, that is how it has always been. On the other hand the corporate structure can be extremely toxic and pound you into the dirt. I guess we have to find a way to build our own value and learn to enjoy the process rather than the result while keeping the noise out.
Another factor:
Low compensation for High expectations.
1:42 - 1:53
Try working in a call center...
bruh that's much worse in my opinion and experience. Dealing with angry people people all day and not knowing what the hell to do is just pure hell.
I am working at callcenter and the main thing that I have to do is to sell. I fucking hate it. It makes my life so miserable. There’s always pressure around selling plus dealing with people and it’s the worst. 😭😭😭
I did a financial product support role and I swear I have PTSD... 4 years later and I still hate talking on the phone, I’m scared that when people approach me at work it’s going to be a “bad” thing, if someone IMs me my head tends to go to “f*ck, what did I mess up?” My first job out of college in a law office where lawyers always screamed at each other, binders were thrown, Partners would scream across the office for their assistants... Even if I’ve performed well, I still have this innate fear of making mistakes and voicing my true opinions because I was trained/conditioned to jump to “the customer/the important guy is always right.”
@@adl_219
LOL. Since I work at home, I just put myself in the queue, turn off auto answer, go to sleep for about half my shift then start the day. LOL
😏😅😂🤣
Oh FML.
Mr Twister 🌪 😆 that would have been impossible at mine! We had monitoring software that let you know who was in transition, who wasn’t automatically taking calls, etc., plus at the end of the day there were reports sent to the entire team that displayed how many calls you took, what was your total time in auto-queue, total time “off”, etc. So the team could see how many calls their peers took and would be mad at the ones who were dead weight, tied in to bonus and promotions etc 🙄 corporate jobs are life sucking
I work at an ad agency and I can just NEVER understand why it's a stressful industry. Working overtime is the norm. We always have clients who send in their requests last minute. And we have sales people who ALWAYS accept these rush requests. They tell us, "We should be thankful because we still have clients" but it's crossing the line all the time. It's a toxic management.
I’ve been in the industry less than a year and I’m already feeling jaded.
@Aussie Doomer Online ads. I had no choice, my first job was with the only company (ad agency) that was willing to hire me back then. Had to make a living. I haven't been confident in exploring other industries and online ads is all I know.
@Aussie Doomer Thank you... I'll do my best 😊
So, why does no one ORGANIZE AND FIGHT FOR WORKER RIGHTS
Just been made redundant in similar
Omg.!!! I have PTSD and anxiety from past trama and my job just adds to it.!!
For me, I think it's a combination of a few things. Working from home has been hard for me because home was supposed to be my sanctuary away from work. Now I have no "safe place," and it's depressing. Also, I feel like I should be working all the time since my laptop is right here. Secondly, our managers are bad. I have a colleague who does almost nothing and gets away with it (she's the princess of the group). The managers act like I'm the bad one for complaining that she doesn't do anything. Thirdly, we are so busy that it just wears on me. Fourth, most of the work isn't challenging, but at the same time we don't know how to do it, exactly, which is tiring, and yet there is no reward. Fourthly, my pay hasn't gone up at all for the six years I've worked there. I used to be making kind of good money, now without increasing with inflation, my pay isn't very good. Also, I work about 55-60 hours a week at work I don't enjoy. So that's why my work has depressed me for the past year or two.
I hope you have left by now?
As a 61 year old Reg Theatre Nurse,having missed out in countless meals,teatime and Pee breakes,i am suddenly totally Fed up,togethet with Narcisistic management and money hungry hospitals....
we have really failed as a society on multiple levels: education, judicial system, economic fairness, etc. So many intelligent people, but a horrendously subpar society.
A J The public school system is the root of most problems.
Truth Be Told Big time.
A J. So true A J. You are so dead on.
Karen Skultety Thank you Katen.
@Lei P you dont need school in modern age , we have internet
It is not surprising that people become mentally ill in the current educational and economic system. Workers worry about being fired the same ways students worry about failing exams because they have tied their intrinsic value to their capacity to perform very specialised but limited tasks.
I don't think the cure to this is to go out and 'start your own business' because not everybody knows how to run a business. They might be rightfully reluctant because they know that themselves. Depression in this context isn't about losing control or freedom, its about having no options.
Therefore, the cure for people who are too afraid to quit their jobs due to financial reasons is to broaden their skills so they can have the freedom to apply for other jobs if they want to. They might not need to, but having that option itself is very reassuring. Yet, people often don't want to upskill themselves by giving excuses like "oh, I'm too old for this now", or blaming it on other commitments.
So if people don't want to feel disempowered at their jobs, they better start adopting a lifelong habit of learning new skills rather than relying solely on their bosses to keep them employed.
Circe This collection of sentiments you have here is so blind. Wages aren't even tied to inflation and the current economic disparity is disgusting. People, workers that is, aren't failing themselves by lacking vision. The system does not compensate you correctly unless you're already a recipient of great cumulative advantages. Blaming the victim is a convenient strategy. I'm sorry if you actually firmly believe what was typed here.
+david,
I firmly believe what I wrote in the OP, and you can buy into the victim mentality all you want. :)
Circe cute strawman :)
You're right about the victim mentality here. If yall victims feel oppressed, you have 3 choices: 1.Drop out, 2.Resist and make a change, 3.Change your mentality so that you're not a victim anymore, coz if you firmly believe you're a victim, the first two choices are the only options, there's no reason not to do that if you firmly believe that the system is wrong, always align your action with your belief so that you're not just a complainer.
If you ever feel you "have to" stay on this job, how about this: you choose to stay on this job coz you want to survive or provide your family, not because you need to.
Finally, there are 10000+ kinds of jobs, do you think you really have to stay on 1 of them?
PS. Me too I firmly believe there's something wrong with the system, but before I know what I want to do to make a change, I just fly in this capitalism cage, it's a big cage btw, very very big big cage, and there are quite a lot of interesting things to discover in here.
Nicely said
My work is the classic hierarchical system, a big boss, senior managers, managers, team leaders, the team. I am at the bottom rung of the ladder. A member of a team, who ultimately is insecure, and exhausted. Little to no praise, as if they are waiting for you to meet their measure of work. There is this clique of full time, part time, and other staff. I enjoy making a difference but when you have this surface culture of having to earn praise, or making small mistakes, or members of staff ratting on one another, its so anxiety provoking. Especially when you are a nice, kind hearted soul, and would do no one no harm, and still they do not see you, value you, or even truly feel they have the time to support you.
Thank you so much for this. It makes so much sense. I just started a new job 2 months ago and although I'm getting paid nearly £20k more I've been feeling sick and after getting several blood tests and a chest xray, the doctors have said there is nothing wrong. My friend suggested that maybe this is anxiety or depression from work because I'm working in a very controlling environment and I'm used to having freedom and being trusted by my employer. This has definitely made me feel better as well as made me rethink the job I'm in.
What happened to the freedom job
I want to be a farmer, no pressure no engaging with people. I don't care about luxuries.
I don't necessarily hate my job, I know we have to compromise somewhere and make it workable for us but I don't know what else I should do if this job always makes me go depressed days before my shift starts. But remember, we are all replaceable so take care of yourself even if it means you're not making any money for quite some time. Health is wealth.
spot on...being micromanaged, especially if youre an experienced professional, is downright soul crushing...add the dumbing-down of mtgs to have mtgs in large orgs & its Office Space & Idiocracy combined...at least some folks can work remote...
Alot of it is also has got to do with working relationships such as working with difficult people or bullies. This is detrimental to mental health in the workplace.
This world sucks as it is at the moment, I hope the future generations make it. I can’t I’m hardening up, can feel it. More and more every day
So it's not low pay, shitty conditions, feeling unappreciated, and disposable then?
As a society we really need to do more to help people who hate and are unhappy in their work. People in jobs they hate costs companies and the govt billions in lost productivity.
I was told by a family member that because of the amount of money my (former) job paid me, I had no right to be depressed about it.
I’m sorry! I could see a former version of myself saying this. Try not to judge them, they don’t mean malice! They are probably trying to encourage you with tough love; they want to shake you awake to make you “realize” how good you have it, because they still believe that once they meet their “final” goal they’ll **finally** be happy... eventually like you and I, they’ll realize there’s no such thing as constant satisfaction
That's one of the worst things I've ever heard about depression. Sorry about your situation
@@jackquentin1950 oh I'm (slightly) better now. I told them to take that job and shove it. Lol not really. I just told them I wasn't able to keep up with their expectations anymore.
My dad has the old school mentality that work and money are the only things that matter. Who cares about mental health? Just work you lazy millennial!
@@leviticuscornwall9631 my relative: I worked at a job that I hated.
Me: didn't you also quit that hated job to go elsewhere?
Relative: That's different.
Worked in call centre for 10 years . Do everything watching the clock. Timed breaks, timed calls , don't be on pause long , don't be long in the loo so on and so forth, every time you pick up the phone , it's someone screaming at you. This takes its toll in the end . Anyone who works in a call centre knows what I am talking about . Anyone who never has won't get it. I never want to do this again but I need to get back into work and recruitment agencies just want to funnel you off into a similar role cos you can't branch out and do something different !!! They have no contingency plan for that ! You have to match the role ! It's a vicious hollow circle.
10 years! I have only been doing it for 5 months and I almost quit every day! I don't know how you did it, you deserve a break and I hope you now have a job you love!
@fmcg53 lol it's only been a week for me. First time I've had serious suicidal thoughts was on my second day though I do feel better now. I can't imagine being here longer than a year.
Still working in one 14 years and I’m at my breaking point. I can’t do it anymore
I have a lot of anxiety at work now, so bad during my breaks and lunch.
What pisses me off the most is that these wellbeing initiatives in the office are a load of bollocks and do NOT address the problems such as high workloads, toxic always on culture and poor work life balance.
The well being initiatives are there so if you self harm etc the company can pat themselves on the back aND say that they had numerous systems in place to help you and they have no idea why you never made use of them.... Basically a tickbox can get ticked. I had to explain to a manager once how the RUOK? Thing is supposed to work and that it's not just that one question, whilst passing each other in the hallway. He definitely did not understand that that is merely the starting point of some much deeper probing, if the answer is less than positive... How did he become the manager then... I have no idea.
Stability, meaning, a voice, knowing where we are going / expectations.. I don't like feeling like someone is flipping switches whenever without warning or without training, and that's just what's been happening since Covid.
Meaning is everything, even more important than happiness. Most people released from long term incarceration, find their existence manifest as a flat numbness. the meaning their life had before, staying alive, keeping their place in the pecking order and winning the odd battle with authority has gone and is replaced by meaninglessness. If your job is not meaningful to you, and you can meet your physical necessities by doing something that is meaningful, then you are your own problem. The horrible thing is that many people think they’re going forward in life, only to realise much later they were going backwards all the time.
It's incredibly validating to hear my basic premise of coping with work stress is validated enough to be a 13% success rate.
I'm in a new job as a manager. I've been in the industry for some time now. But funny story I've never quite felt good at the job. So here I am 4 months in crying in the loo, depressed, not sleeping and having early onset hypertension. I can't blame the job or people here. I blame myself for not having the guts to quit and find something else with the fear of what if there is nothing else?
My heart goes out to you, I have been there. Take your time, YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT! You just got to try
😭don't blame yourself. Whatever you do, its valid.
I know exactly what you mean. The uncertainty of not having another job lined can cause stress and anxiety. How are you doing now???
Omg... I can totally relate to you. Because I experience the same thing. Except i wasn't a manager. Just a subordinate. However, due to my over-achieving mindset, i put too much pressure on myself. Look at the reality, the only one that benefits from all this is the higher up. We are all just money making cows for them. So honestly take it easy and don't take too much stress. Honestly, i envy those HR and acc departments. Because they dont have level of stress other have. Its unfair. So take it easy and if the bosses wanna throw a fit, then let them. There's no time like the present to feel at peace. End of the day, you dont gain anything but experience and your paycheck. Take it easy and making mistakes is fine. And best thing of all, as a subordinate... You don't really have bear the responsibility of what happens to company. Bosses have their own stress. While subordinates just do their work and carry on, if not.. Just pack up.. Let them complain.. 😂. Of course, people have commitments... But nothing is more important than your physical and mental health ❤
Wow, this rings so true for me! I took a manager job almost 2 years ago, first manager job I've ever had. While it was a brutal position with incredibly long hours, (and it eventually broke me), knowing that I had power of decision making pushed me along. (I never saw that until seeing this video!) However, the position was temporary (covering for the manager on mat leave), and I stepped back into my old position after a year. It's been almost a year since that, and I'm terribly frustrated at how she runs things! In a way, she's making many of the same mistakes I made by taking on too much for herself, especially since she now has an experienced manager at her disposal. She can delegate managerial jobs to me and make general work life easier, but she won't. Her frustration comes through in how she deals with us, and that was the same for me when I was in charge.
Also, I'm stepping back into my old position with new eyes. Now I know one reason why we have such a large worker turn around...
We don't hate our jobs. We hate this modern way of living which is a blip in human history. We weren't or ever will be adjusted to modern living. It's the complete opposite to what nature intended for us.
I've spent the last 3 years absolutely hating every second of my job, so much so that I walked out 3 months ago during a mental breakdown. I'd rather live in a tent in the woods than ever again work in a job that does this to me. For most of my 20s I lived on a few different Kibbutz in Israel, I never got paid financially, I only owned the clothes and a few items I arrived with, and the life was simple. I've never been so happy as I was in those times, there was a wonderful community where people enjoyed the simple things in life and for the most part thrived. There are other ways to structure society and work but unfortunately in most if not all of our world profit rules and humans that aren't at the top of the manufactured pyramid pay the price for the wellbeing of the few.
I just walked out of the WORST job I had ever had. The supervisor was never there, but I had about fifty 'bosses' micro-managing my every move. They went over every task I did with a fine-tooth comb. Nothng was ever right or to suit them. I was literally chained to a phone and could not take breaks when I wanted/needed to. I felt disrespected at all times. Enough of that garbage. It was the type of job that really needed to be filled by about three staffers, not one.
I was working on a machine and I kept messing up because of how stressed I've been at work and the bullying and getting belittled. I have stayed up over 24 hours and it's hard for me to sleep. So The machine was being a pain and a fucking co worker was laughing and pointing at me and saying a bunch of shit to me and I just looked at him. I've been very emotional. I work 50 hours a week only get a couple hours to actually enjoy life. Work has destroyed my confidence my well being and it made me hate life and idk if IL ever fully recover
I'm so sorry 😔❤
@mukamikinyua2219 thank u for reading I appreciate it! I'm doing better now I worked there since I was 18 I'm now 20..I wrote this when I was 19. They had me work 6 days a week or more in a row. It was exhausting my boss was unappreciative and such so I got up and left I'm much happier now
Hit it on the nose. I left a smaller company that was a bit more democratic for a larger company and instantly became depressed. There are so many levels of leadership that you feel you have no say and are locked into a narrower box of decision making. I regret learning this lesson after the fact. But this video gave me more clarity as to why i feel regret changing jobs and now I know i must leave as soon as I can.
Good thing I started watching this video, Even if you have experience at your job.. You feel like it's not enough sometimes and your skill set never gets notice, Even though you have the experience for that specific position,and others get promotion when they barely have experience or being left out and feel like your a ghost
When this guy lists the basic psychological needs... I was like, oh, well, that explains a lot about how I feel.
I got promoted to supervisor in a growing company that has no SOPs or leadership training whatsoever. Pressure coming from above for achieving target and from below for guiding them better, while juggling w my own tasks n tons of meetings daily. If I talk to my superior I got told to manage my time/task better, I even work on weekends or use sick leave just to have a quite moment to do my tasks or think of work ideas without any interuptions. I always feel anxious the night before coming to work in the morning, and yes, depressed daily.
Ask God for help
“Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
_Matthew 17:20-21.
"For I, the LORD your God, hold your right hand; it is I who say to you, 'Fear not, I am the one who helps you.”
_ Isaiah 41:13
The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me? The LORD is with me; he is my helper. I look in triumph on my enemies.
_Psalm 118:6
“Cast All Your anxiety on HIM
because He cares for you”
_Peter 5:7
“But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth.”
_ Luke 21:34
Needed to watch this. My job that I just started a month ago makes me so anxious and depressed I just want a way out but I really need the money rn😭
How are you doing
I thrive in busy workplaces as long as my boss and people around me are great
They always say you can't control how work culture oppresses you but you can only control how you respond. It doesn't always help though.
I’m bed ridden with the Flu rn. I’m gonna tell my boss I’m too sick to come in today. There’s a very good chance he’s gonna give me the boot for it. Idc. No minimum wage job is more valuable than my health
Work, depression and anxiety are all synonimous in my book.
I'm just suprised there was even "need" of a study to prove this...
That is why i want to find my own purpose by going into art and music and not just spend my entire life being a part of the work force making money for these companies. As a society, we should work to find a way how to better live in the age of capitalism.
Instead of agreeing with what’s presented here only to follow that with a “but here’s why it won’t work”, how about trying to THINK of ways to MAKE it work. “But it won’t work for McDonalds”- don’t work for McDonalds. “But I like my boss”- what if you and your boss started one of these co-ops?
The channel is called Big Think, so use these as springboards for thinking big people.
People want cheap stuff for a good price, only big corporations can provide that through some form of exploiting people. Now if you're on a niche market it's different, that being said you can't have a majority of people (worldwide) working in these types of niche areas.
I tried to make it work. That might be why I don't have a job. There you go.
Ok so don't wotk for McDonald's
That's the right way to go about it. More power to you, man. The future isn't formed by the people saying how impossible any positive change is. It is formed around them until they can only accept the new status quo and then go on thinking how it was always meant to be this way.
OMG you just opened a door in my head! I now know what’s driving my anxiety and blues about work
I work for amazon and if you have never been a warehouse or delivery driver(been both) you just don’t understand. If anyone in this country deserves to have any bad thing imaginable happen to them it’s amazon execs every horror story you ever heard is true. They literally tell warehouse workers during prime week it could make them suicidal.
Wow seriously? I’m not surprised. We are just pawns in their chess game in their quest to get richer!
Listening to coworkers banter and drone on. The cackling laughter. The controlling bosses.
I am so controlled at work. I’m trying my best but it makes me so depressed.
I’m sorry, me too, they monitor when I log in and out, the amount of calls I take. When I decide I’m going to lunch and they compare the amount of things I did with the amount of calls, so if the calls were low you better be doing a shit ton of other things, I feel like I cannot breathe
@@googleuser1328 So basically you are a miserable slave? You need to get a different job.
Excellent point being made here; being controlled at work contributes to developing depression
I have a typical office job. 9 hours on the clock day in and day out with the corporate bosses behind my tail every hour and every minute and I feel completely helpless. I am completely helpless in my own life. I cannot make decisions for myself or I risk getting fired and my sole source of income disappears.
I can completely relate to this and I think Im gonna do something about this.
Ka Cu I know how you feel. I worked at "jobs" for 20 years. I knew that was not what I was meant to do the whole time. I finally started my own business a year ago. If I can do it, anyone can.
I am a single mother of five. I am also a stay-at-home mom, and we are not on welfare.
One of the keys is, being able to think outside the box, and that really is not something they teach in the public schools.... the schools are only teaching kids how to be employees. It's all about learning how to make a resume, or learning how to get into a good college... In order to qualify to get a job working at someone else's business Lol, when there are millions of business ownership opportunities for anyone, regardless of whether they attend college or not, and whether they graduate from high school or not... in other words kids are being brainwashed into thinking they have limited choices.... but the options in life are endless.
What I did, was wrote down all the possibilities for me that I could think of... I decided to learn how to make a product, which was jewelry. I don't mean plastic jewelry, I work with real gemstones, and sterling silver, mostlt. It took about three months of simply watching lots of CZcams videos to learn how to do this. Just about anything you can think of that you want to learn to do, is on CZcams. I opened an Etsy shop, and I sell my handmade jewelry. I make very good money doing this. Better money than I've ever made at decent jobs. I work out of my house, and I am home with my 5 kids everyday... Js, like I said anyone can do it. There are around a million Etsy shops, of people making good money making handmade things... There is a huge market for handmade things.
i feel for u, Ka Cu. it's like modern slavery
What's the name of your shop?@@truthbetold4350
Every job I've had I hate working, the night before I get anxious then I start felling depressed and suicidal
Loose Cannon I’m on that same boat. I love the job but I hate being in a small space with too many people for the whole day. Makes it worst everyone is always stress and feeling their energies makes me want to quit daily. My issue is not the job. My issue is the people I work with. Like right now, I’m having anxiety because tomorrow is another day for it.. This time is the worst time to resign as so many companies have laid off people. But there’s way we can look at to stay positive and maybe learn more and see how it goes..
This is so true. A new boss after 14 years giving me depression and anxiety
It never compensates for all the stress, the noise, the 9 hour daily mandatory screentime, increasing sociopathy and psychopathy, endless sleep deprivation, drama, endless bureaucratic tasks only becoming more complex because of the computer and internet, not easier.
Most underrated comment. At work people bottle up everything and when they return home, the misery is all over the place . Psychopaths in the making
@@susuilu by psychopaths I meant the bosses. But yeah I was slowly becoming insane too. Good thing I lived alone during my last toxic job actually because I came home every night crying on my couch, calling my mother telling her I didn't want to live anymore. My parents are naive boomers who see jobs as the cure for mental problems, not the cause. It's insane. They never told me to quit that job. But every day I called them saying I survived another day. I was only working there for 1 month and I don't know how I did it. The bosses were very mean, there was a lot of employee turnover, there was no training, the coworkers were void of personality or empathy, the lunch room smelled of disgusting expensive take away they all complained about every day, the work was very difficult and I was constantly writing in my folder to correct thing and learn myself things, but my boss still called me into their office to see if I could make a simple sum. I wanted to kill her. I left without notice and never looked back. I did send sicial inspection because of a bunch of douchebags weren't supposed to be there during covid
I'm currently working at a job where I'm the new person out of a company of only 6 people, and I keep getting written warnings for things that could've just been verbal warnings and it's stressing me out right now.
For me, the greatest distress is caused by uncertainty regarding money. Work doesn’t pay enough to survive on, let alone for the amount of work we do.
The worst thing is losing sight of who you are, because your job is depriving you of all the good inside of you and replacing that with the most negative factors that put you at your worst. I used to see color, now all I see is gray.
I love how he tells tbe story of going from living from paycheck to paycheck to owning a store just like that, like buying Cheetos
I just tell work to “fxxxx off” I’m excited about my life ,,I love my life ,I wash dishes and have worked at enjoying work ,,you have to work at being happy ,,,,,people should look at some of the life coaches on you tube ,,,,take the stuff that’s helpful for yourself. “Do things that are good for you”
You must be really careful of who you hire in that kind of company. Everyone need to have a high maturity and being able to both give and take criticism.
true, try to avoid double faced ppl (criticize others & get angry when criticized).
Narcissists sill sycophant there way in and fuck everything
Yep. Startups and smaller companies lean closer to this than do larger companies.
Thank you for the useful video. I want to share my result. my son had depression amid numerous stresses, we went to the clinic, he was lying, prescribed antidepressants, but unfortunately day by day he was getting worse, he was prescribed other antidepressants, he was worse, walked like a zombie, it was painful to look like a smart guy, handsome and suddenly it turns into something. I was advised to give him cellular nutrition and after a month he recovered! About a year has passed and everything is in order, the depression has not returned. Cellular nutrition is a great thing !!!
What is cellular nutrition ?
@@GL-vl6kz this is a very large complex of vitamins, minerals, microelements and from natural products vegetables, berries, mushrooms and fruits, all in one capsule 1 capsule is enough for one day
it sucks because at the end of the day, even your bosses have bosses. we are just mules in one big system.
Fear of being fired layoffs daily yelling or hard targets are also major factor. I am suffering from anxiety taken therapy. But still not recovered.
In communism you are the boss at work. My dad told me during Yugoslavia that were the glory days, you could say and do whatever you want and the boss couldn't fire you. He told me that people were connected to each other and more social back then. When he's looking back he's telling me that these days are horrible and it's something he fears.
@@EmME1993 in state communism you still have to comply to the government. Basically every job is a government job, sure there are pros but the problem with communism is self motivation which is why it can’t sustain itself. In capitalism employers can be harsh, however you do have the option to be completely self employed, in communism you don’t. There is no such thing as being self employed in communism, in fact there are times the communist governments choose your career for you.
i wish i had one of those office jobs where u sit in a cubicle and use a computer , people think that's a soul sucking job, sure it might get boring , but better that than some retail job where you have deal with people's bs all day and u come home stressed and tired ... i'll take the boring office job over that any day
Same!! My dream job would be to do computer work on my own time and never talk to any customers ever again
I was also thinking the same way but it is totally different. Being mentally depressed is too harsh than physically rushed. Talking to customers is easy compared to meeting big projects timelines
It's anxiety provoking when your employer has unreasonably high expectations and understaffs then customers treat you like shit
Omg. This describes me. I try and tried to be thankful but I cant no more. Low pay after a raise still, management favoritism, and no growth at all. Only thing is it's in air and its day shift. I hate it with every fiber in my body y'all. I cry daily too. The vp who got a new position told us if we dont like the pay, there's the door. I'm looking for mines now asap. Man I hate that place
Trying to do a good job, with people who only care about impressions management sucks
In addition to the dreadful monotony and existential dread:
I spend 9 hours at work counting lunch. Add another couple hours for prep and travel, let's say that's 11 hours. Another hour or two goes to chores and necessary work for myself. I now have, at most, 3-4 hours a day to myself. I don't have kids, pets, and minimal responsibilities, so people who do likely have an hour if they're lucky.
While I'm at work, I give my best. It is never enough, consistently at every entry level job (all fast paced, like most entry level jobs requiring only a high school degree). In return for my 12 years of working my ass off, I'm still living paycheck to paycheck, my body is broken down and weaker than it was, I'm slower, I'm in chronic pain. I have genetic disorders and mental disorders that make it harder for me faster than others; but it's still the vibe everyone deals with.
This is just a miserable, worthless, pathetic existence in my opinion. There are things I enjoy doing..I want to do those things. Why bother being alive if you have no time or energy to experience joy?
I am a sleepwalker. I tolerate my job but I know deep down that I’m investing my time and energy into something I do not care much about.
in a coop, the workers can collectively hire a manager to manage the workers, and then the workers regularly review the manager's performance and can suggest modifications to the managers methods or even replace them. 40 hrs a week of like minded determinism and democratic entrepreneurship.
People don’t care and have checked out. This is a huge issue-indifference. We could change this if we individually cared more about stuff and each other. But our culture likes us to be enemies🤷🏾♂️
working from home made my work related anxiety disappear
I don't know if anyone will see this and understand my feelings. I love teaching. I am teaching part time at a cram school for the first time(we have them in my country). I made small mistakes. And I've lost my confidence. I don't want to quit but the students now see me as a weak teacher. But the feeling of dishonor is not leaving me. I've been depressed for almost a week now. I can't eat much. I don't know what to do to regain my confidence. And without confidence I can't teach well either.
What can I say to my students or my boss and what should I do?
u stronger than u think. I dont know u but i know u are strong. Keep fighting 💪🏻💪🏻
Thanks brother
Find another school.
I love teaching, too.. But teaching for adults is stressful.. They always find ways to make themselves feel better at your expense. Try teaching kids.. Probably it'll be better..except that, you have to deal with the parents.. Lol. Or probably, online teaching
Most people work pointless jobs 40 hours a week and it sucks. Some will say to change your job or career but its not that easy. Yeah you need to get paid but it still feels like slavery.
Companies NEED to change the way they treat employees. They need to get with the times and create a work and home balance as well as treating employees with respect!
I'm a lawyer stuck in a horrible bureaucratic factory. This video is a Final push for me to either take over my dad's shop or start my own business. I'm just not made for offices. No one likes a fucking office.
Sales is even worse than a 9-5 due to a sales career designed to be a fast paced emotional rollercoaster demanded quotas by the VP of sales. Depression is so real
You're spot on! Thank you.
The problem is we love materialism more than ourselves. Take care of yourself first and everything else is just a silly game.