The "Bury Your Gays" Trope, Explained
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- For a limited time, use our link to get a free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership: skl.sh/thetake91 | Throughout the many LGBTQ stories that have been told onscreen, there is one dominant theme: suffering. From the "Bury Your Gays" trope that sees queer characters dying far more frequently than straight characters, to stories that foreground the struggles of LGBTQ lives, we rarely allow them to be happy. So why have we insisted on making queer characters miserable? Here’s our Take on how this trope has dominated LGBTQ representations over the years, and whether we can get to a place where suffering isn’t always part of their story.
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I’m a gay woman. I used to think that people were overreacting about this trope. Life IS awful for so many of us, shouldn’t art reflect that. Then one day I was talking to my brother and he sorta offhandedly said “could you imagine if every romcom ended in one of the characters dying? Could you imagine the majority of gay romance movies ended in the same lighthearted feel-good way straight ones do?” And I realized that I just couldn’t see the water I was swimming in
Well said, Callie!
Sending you love darling
@Manophere. com dude, the typos and misspellings make that tough to decipher. I THINK I got it.
Such a concise, straightforward sentiment, Callie! 👏🏾Your comment has made me realise just how many LGBTQA Plus stories end with one half of a gay couple dying, or them splitting up, which rarely happens with their straight counterparts. Everyone has the right to their own happy endings. 💯😁
Even if I came out as bisexual in the early years of my life and as pansexual later on in life I never felt I belonged to any community, even lgbt+ Being autistic made me a recluse, my internal balance was disturbed too many times for not having friends around. And my orientation never helped, it was always like a stigma. I don't want to shove my sexual preferences in no one's face, I don't flaunt it either, I just want to feel that I belong somewhere and I can be a tiny bit accepted.
Hey fellow LGBT+ people, friendly reminder - you don't have to die like a hero or suffer an awful lot to be respected.
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Preach, love is love, regardless of gender or sexuality! 🏳️🌈
Davi Feitoza Of course it isn't!
That's what I liked about Pride (2014), it revolves around LGBTQ activism making team with the coal miners strike and points out their heroism and selflessness instead of just the struggle
We don't need anymore "gritty, real stories" we just want like....... a female librarian falling for the cute girl who runs the flower shop down the street >_>
I would watch the shit out of a sappy love story between two gay people.
Sierra wouldn’t we all? :3
Omg yes, I would watch that
Alternatively: 2 male quarterbacks discovering their feelings for each other but without the internalized homophobia :3
Exactly! Someone please make that!
To quote Captain Holt "every time someone steps, up and says who they are, the world become a better more interesting place"
Good ol Captain Holt 👮🏿♂️ ✨
YAAAAASSS i was gonna write that god bless captain holttt
All rise for the honourable Captain Holt, his words of wisdom know no bounds! 💖🥰
And then someone comes out as a nazi
@@JeroenDoes then we know who to avoid
I still want to see the "Gay Best Friend" trope done by The Take... That stereotype is probably the most overused and commonly seen carry over into the real world.
So is that a bad thing? lol
Femto from what i know, it plays off of gay stereotypes so yes
Femto yes
I think the film is honestly based off of real life. Some gay guys befriend girls. I think the trope portrays it in a cringe way but the idea of a girl (or someone else) having a gay bff isn far fetched.
the only thing wrong with that trope is that it doesn't make the best friend who is gay an actual human who has goal and ambitions other than helping the straight protagonist but if they did make them the protaganist or co-tagonist or even just have a personality other than being gay itd be fine
Brooklyn 99 has been extremely good in portraying gay characters who just happen to be gay without ignoring their sexuality.
99!
Almost unrealistic tbh
I started watching it a month ago, and it's my favourite show!
Cool cool cool cool...
@@janicemoriarty2578 what do you suppose should count as realistic then? that the only way for the LGBTQ+ community could be represented in the media is to make it as though their only defining trait is their sexuality?
Can you talk about when lgbtq+ characters ARE portrayed in a “positive” light it’s usually only when they’re playing as stereotypes? If I see one more gay man who only says “oooo girl” while randomly flapping his hand and only ever wears bow ties with sweater vests I’m gonna scream
This is very much true and has a deep history being one of the first ever gay stereotypes in the form of "the sissy", however, it is important to understand that although it's a stereotype, there are many gay men like this and fem shaming or shaming gay men because they prefer to conform to some classic stereotypes is big problem in the gay community nowadays. But you are right as well, it's just difficult to balance
One of my favourite LGBT movies is Maurice. It sets up the whole movie towards a bad ending but then the twist was so (spoilers) hopeful for me that it just changed my life. I much prefer it over Call Me By Your Name.
The only people I know who wear sweater vests are chandler and ceril 😅🤣
Watch more gay indie films. Mainstream LGBT content will mostly give you only what straight audiences find tolerable. Which is keeping us in the box of only being femme, or the gay bestie. And lesbians are only allowed if they are hot to the male characters.
That’s one reason I love Brooklyn 99. No character is defined by their race, sexuality, or gender.
I didn't vibe with Simons friends tho they were terrible. The whole confrontation scene had me mad when they tried to make it seem like their situation worse than his situation that had him outed after being blackmailed for so long. They didn't attack Martin or the bullies at the cafeteria they just went "boo hoo" to Simon and left the homophobes alone. His best friend also called him an idiot for legitimately not knowing that she liked him when she never picked up on the fact that he was gay and made it seem like he plotted for her to get her heart broken when he genuinely thought she liked the other friend. Also the line "I can deal with you being gay" like his sexual orientation was supposed to be 'tolerated' set off red flags. Then after all of this they had the gaul to make Simon apologise and they didn't.
It's a great movie but the friends didn't pass the vibe check test.
This is cliché but the book is better
The only one who had a right to be mad at him was the girl he came out to that he basically pimped out other than that those other two had no right to be mad at him like he did something wrong to them
@@Djinn_Entonic honestly as someone who read the book first, watching thr movie made me so mad
I completely concur! His friends seem to overlook the fact that Simon was being blackmailed by Martin the entire time. Abby is the most sympathetic, in my opinion, since she was more understanding of Simon being gay than either Nick or Leah, who'd known him longer, and was being used as a bargaining tool. Leah mostly came across as extremely petty, since Simon couldn't help his sexuality. This is a change from the book, where she likes Nick instead, but he's more interested in Abby. Them ignoring him over the Christmas break just seemed forced, and designed to stir up drama than anything else. 😔🎭
Is there any chance that you are Iraqi ??
I feel like the “bury your gays” trope shares some similarities with the” girlfriend/wife in the fridge” trope in comic books and movies, where the loveinterest has to die in a gruesome way for the hero do find his way. Both tropes treat the people as a plot point and nothing more.
I came to this video from the 'The Woman in the Refridgerator Trope' video and was just thinking they're very similar!
It's a worn out cliche
In video games as well. There is leading lesbian heroin in video games,but no onther sexuality leading hero in a RPG game. So games as Fable,Fallout do not count. Because they are created and not story made. Without a huge trope,label.
Exactly! Except not only are they disposable , but they’re disposable specifically because they’re gay. And people don’t even see the homophobia in it.
Or token black person has to die trope too.
Coming out as bi was one of easiest “confessions” I ever made. When I was like 14 I said to my mom “I think I’m bisexual.” She said “I probably am too.” Several years later I had a girlfriend and no one questioned it.
@Manophere. com I know that homophobia, biphobia, etc. are all real. I’m just making the point that not everyone’s story is the same and it is possible to depict an LGBTQ person without making them suffer.
@Manophere. com I have a friend who is super attractive and could be with anyone he wanted but he just chooses not to. Even some of the girls try and say he's gay but he's not. He just isn't into that stuff
@Manophere. com Are you talking about incels? Because that's different from asexual males. Or are you just trolling?
@Manophere. com So trolling, then. Got it.
I had a very similar experience coming out as gay. I really have had little to any issue with it. Supportive fiends, supportive family... virtually a non-issue all the way around :)
the call me by your name example reminded me of the “age gap” that gay relationships tend to have in film/tv. i think this would also be a good video topic
I feel like there are usually more age gap relationships in straight film romances with the man usually being much older. I definatly don't think this is a common trope in gay films.
@@lewisspink9468 Young men being the focus of older men is FREQUENTLY a trope in gay films. Hell, most coming of age films include the teenage boys being naked, nearly naked, or engaging in sex with teachers, priests, and other people in authority. You should read some of the "critical reviews" too. Many times they refer to the underaged heartthrobs" in their reviews. I know it happens with young women in straight cinema too, probably as much or more often. However, gay cinema is rife with age inappropriate relationships.
Kevin Barnard Even in films where there isn't an explicit relationship, young men can be framed just as suggestively (though not as often) as young women.
@@JohnDoe-xf8ew Absolutely. Apt pupil is a good example of that. There are some directors I won't watch anymore like Brian Singer.
@@kevinbarnard355 I really have to disagree. Like all the gay films I can think of, brokeback mountain, weekend, get real, beautiful thing, love Simon, moonlight, Maurice, all feature men or teens the same age. Like I can think of 3 that feature age gap relationships. Deffinatly not enough to concidered it a trope.
We need a video on Diversity vs. Tokenism
Yes. Exactly
Truth, I have a hard time understanding the difference sometimes, even with my own race.
Especially now as the whole discussion is getting extremely muddy and toxic.
YEESSS!
Jade Nguyen It generally comes down to whether a character is an actual developed person vs a one-dimensional caricature and/or plot device. Since “positive stereotyping” or “positive prejudice” is still a kind of “othering”, it’s still a kind of dehumanization. In regards to racial stereotyping, I think it’s usually referred to as “beneficial racism”, if u want to google it for a more in-depth analysis. But jumping back to one-dimensional token characters: unfortunately, their existence is often a result of poor writing, which is rampant in our media. Like of the romcoms with the GBF (gay best friend) trope that I’ve seen...literally the entire cast of characters usually ended up just as one-dimensional lolol. The difference in the end, though, is that even a bland non-person of a main character still gets more/the most development just by having it be their story. So...I guess true diversity would be in diverse stories being told by and from diverse voices, rather than the current, typical solution of diversifying the background cast of yet another white, straight/cis/heteronormative, and (usually) male person’s story. Even if the whole cast is diverse, well-written characters, that would be diversifying only a single work. What we need is to diversify like all of art/media/culture/etc lol...otherwise even a story like that-one that does everything “right”-is one where any diversity is still “othered” by being assumed to be, and treated as, only ever background.
Every time I see a death from a hate crime, in the very, very back of my head, I'm scared the next one will be me
@Manophere. com are you..seriously trying to make this a competition
me too :(
I feel that
Carleeto Meepo don’t trip too hard he’s probably an incel
@@misspeaches1144 yea i reported his comment a couple times but nothing rly happened
Also, I high key believe that the LGBTQ+ films that depict tragedy is cheap Award Baits. Critics praise how dramatic and "powerful" the story is and give it all the awards.
They're made so straight-cis people can feel good about themselves for not being bigots.
Which awards? Other than Moonlight, i don't remember other tragic gay films winning the Award, and i'm sure at least a couple good ones come out each year
That's hardly LGBT specific though. Look at all the movies about slavery, the Holocaust, civil Rights movement, women's rights..etc
Except Moonlight, can you tell me any more movies?
not to mention the fact that all heterosexuals were nominated because they played the role of homosexuals
@@andrewthezeppo While I see your point, LGBT people aren't made up only of the struggles they went through in life. That would be like every movie containing a woman main character being about the women's rights movement. Like at this point, we just want a main LGBT character whose main focus isn't their sexuality.
One of the reasons why I love shows like Steven Universe, or She ra is because they portray lgbtq+ characters and relationships just as much as the default as hetero ones. Two women falling in love doesn't raise anymore eyebrows than one man and one woman falling for each other. From episode 1 of She ra I just assumed everyone was pansexual until explicitly shown otherwise. The characters face a lot of struggles but none of them are rooted in being lgbtq+
Yes 👏 exactly!!
Yeah, what a shame they weren't allowed to show kissing until the last season and Catradora become a thing until the very end.
@@Zet683 At least they finally kissed, contrary to The Legend of Korra. Things progress (hopefully for the best) but alas it remains a risk to portray LGBTQ+ romances in animated series/cartoons, as it can raise outrage from conservative associations claiming it's """brainwashing the children""" (which is obviously not)
YES SHE-RA!!!
Shera is so good. I'm glad the next generation gets to grow up with shows like that or at least have access to them
Hollywood is terrible.
I don't have any friends because they are ashamed of the videos I upload. Are they really that bad, dear sierra
Facts.
No shit, sherlock.
For so many reasons
Water is wet
The film Maurice is quite an early example of a movie going against this trope, having a happy ending. Even the author of the book (Forster) insisted on it having a happy ending, back when he wrote it more than a 100 years ago - albeit it got released only in the 70s after his death. I recommend both the book and the movie!
Plus, Maurice is a MASTERPIECE!
I didn't know about ti, but there was another movie in the 90's that's called Jeffrey and for me it was kind of the first time i saw a movie without the buring you gays with different gay characters. It was very interesting.
Yes! Someone finally recognize Maurice! Another worth mentioned that Forster wrote the couple from the novel based on Edward Carpenter and George Merrill, two gay activists in the 19th century who not only stay together, but the two didn't separated or one of them killed.
Also the movie Maurice was produced by Merchant Ivory, a company owned by a gay couple that made some amazimg movies. James Ivory also worked on Call me by your name!
That's a good movie.
When the 100 killed off Lexa for no goddamn reason, I stopped watching the show. She was the only character I still found interesting after the first two seasons.
They didn't want to kill her off but the actress got a big role in fear the walking dead
I agree, I know that her actress wanted to leave the show, so the best way to make an exit for her was to kill off Lexa, with her sexuality being incidental. But it was a move that ultimately hurt the show, and I concur that it hasn't really been the same since. 😔💔
the actress cant be the main characters in both series, sucks because lexa had potential
Lizz K The writers still could have given her a better death and better timed (not right after her and Clarke finally sleep together for Pete’s sake).
They had to kill her because she got cast as lead role in fear of the walking dead and because everyone dies in the 100. For real this show has killed nearly a hundred main and side characters so far
I've been binge watching this channel nonstop
Ditto, it's undeniably my favourite channel out there. I always find myself automatically agreeing with their opinions by the end of the video, as their scripts are extremely well written and researched. 🥰
mood
Same here!!
Same! I love their videos so much
Please can anyone tell me the song @5:13 I checked the credits but all that is listed is artlist
If anyone wants to watch a movie about a lesbian coach teaching her trans, gay, closet gay and straight volleyball players than i reccommend everyone to watch "The Iron Ladies" its a thailand movie, that talks about discrimination, hate, and acceptance in thailand
and noone dies for shock value (the actual real life team is also amazing!)
and it came out 20 years ago!
this movie essentially built the lgbt genre in thailand and i hope you all give it a try ♡♡
Thank you for the rec, I will add it to my list!
Where can I find it to watch, @aztrial?
Wtf tr@ns playing in girls tournament isn't fair..
@@belu_4044 shes a trans girl in a team of men. And they were up against other male volleyball players and won. I'm guessing you assumed she was playing against women? wether you believe trans ppl should be participating in sports because of possible advantages, i rather not care for those discussions.
it's a real team that were thailand volleyball champions and her story in the movie is a intresting look in trans ppl in thailand. so yeah :3
A Thai movie was my first time seeing a gay character get the girl and have a happy ending. Sometimes people need cute hopeful crap too.
i feel like there’s a difference between lgbt+ characters who go through issues (like moonlight) and homophobia, bc those ARE important things to talk about and deal with realistically in movies, but lgbt+ characters get killed so quickly or just don’t get happiness. it’s not so terrible if the show/media has multiple lgbt characters who don’t all suffer or die, but most shows and movies only have one gay character and BOOM dead. i love it when lgbt+ characters do go through a hard time bc of their identity, especially when they’re teenagers (like Kurt from glee or Eric from sex education), but if they’re not given full arcs and personalities and a HAPPY ENDING, then it’s just tragedy p*rn honestly.
*Please talk about close platonic relationships between women and men in film and television and the pressure inflicted on them to have a romantic relationship instead!*
Examples: Natasha and Steve from the MCU, Olivia and Elliot from Law and Order, Ellie and Paul from The half of it, etc.
How society views platonic relationships as just a building step for a romantic relationship instead, and somewhat forces us to view them as such to the point we can even start to confuse our own feelings when we're faced with similar situations and believe we're ~in love~ with the other person. Like, yes we love them but not in that way.
Edit: I know they kinda touched on the topic in the Phoebe and Joey vid but I think a more in depth vid with different variations would great xx
They kind of did this when talking about the relationship of Joey and Phoebe
Yes, please, platonic love is JUST as vital and rewarding as romantic love, and I would definitely LOVE to see them tackle an entire video on the subject! 💕😍
yes yes yes i NEED that video
This topic was shown believe it or not, in "The Goldbergs". That comedy series is loosely based on the high-school life of its writer, Adam Goldberg; and along his geeky friends his best friend is a girl that lives nearby. Everyone thinks they are a great couple, but they are simply close childhood friends. However, in one episode Mr. Goldberg wrote about how they succumbed to the pressure of their friends (and even their families) to become a romantic couple, and it's easily one of the most touching ones.
@@maximussaktish next time read the whole comment.
Supernatural just showed us one of the most grotesque examples of this damn trope... 😑😑
I stopped watching after season 12 and it just seem like they weren’t even attracted to each other and pretty much baited the fans
It was purely gay baiting.... So fuck the writers.
The Imitation Game is a true story and it's so sad :(((
Poor Alan Turing, he was a genius that did so much in the field of mathematics
This was exactly my feeling when watching the intro. Putting Turing into the "Bury your gays" trope suggests that it was the fictionalised version who was imprisoned and later chemically castrated before (possibly/officially) committing suicide.
It's a key part of LGBTQ+ history, especially in the UK, as gay sex between men was illegal up until 1968 - meaning that we still have a lot of older gay men who remember the time.
I think Captain Holt is an amazing example for "not only being defined by sexuality." He's a gay man but this not the only thing that defines him.
Nehir Akın also a black, gay man. Neither define him. He is successful and has an amazing relationship. Very uplifting and I think that is better for society to see rather than wallowing in sadness. Plus he is just brilliant and hilarious. People who maybe have issues with different races or sexuality watch this and see that they might have more in common than they thought. Like Mitch and Cam on modern family. Just regular folk living their lives.
I'm only on season 5 of modern family but am struck on how Mitch and Cam Dont have a sex life. Whereas Claire and Phil, Gloria and Jay, and hayley all do
@@bengleiss9416 I always felt the sex lives of the characters were more implied and spoken about rather than seen, as it is a family show. But definitely as the show goes on it is implied more. Their lack of PDA is actually a plot line with Mitch feeling unable to because of issues with his dad. It's really well done.
@@kookiecat79 but I notice it is far more heavily implied for the straight characters. Phil and Claire have many sexual escapades, Jay often speaks of it and his troubles to keep up with Gloria, and there is a whole subplot of hayley not being a virgin and sneaking Dylan in (so to speak) I can't recall one mention of Mitch and Cams sex life
@@bengleiss9416 well after watching the whole series quite a few times, I like to think they relationship is portrayed well but that's my opinion on it. Your welcome to view it as you will. Enjoy the rest of the show. It just keeps getting better and I think the las Vegas episode will make you happy.
Please cover how asexuality is portrayed in the media. The ace community definitely needs more representation, and to normalise it, as love and relationships can exist without sex. 🤍💜🖤
Absolutely! I’m still amazed by the lack of representation for ace characters in media.
Tod in Bojack Horseman is my favorite character in the show and is asexual. And for someone who didn't know much about asexuality that show did a good job imo explaining it:)
YES, I'd love a video on that as well
Facts!
i mean , assexual is a pretty recent subject so its understable the lack of representation in hollywood media
Of all the gay people mentioned you don't being up our favourite dad's Captain Holt and Dr Kevin Cozner? They are the perfect example of how homosexuality should be written. Love those guys!
Well that’s the thing they aren’t talking about the well written ones lmao
I love cam and mitch from modern family just a normal marriage with uos and downs
Ivonne Gallegos they are my favourite tv characters. They are just living their life. That show is the best.
@@kookiecat79 totally agree!!!! And all the gay marriages that appear have a normal marriage ,the show omg...i want to watch it again now hahahahha
@@ivonnegallegos58 I'm always re watching. It's my happy place 😊
Like, we do struggle and there can be a lot of trauma around figuring ourselves out so we would quite like it if we then didn’t have to see ourselves suffer on screen as well tbh (obvs not saying we should never experience any struggles on screen, but we just don’t need to see it in everything)
Fair point, but if it was the other way around and lgbt lives were portrayed as harmonial, wouldn't there be complaints that movies were ignoring or shying away from the very real hardships gay people have endured and continue enduring?
@@gfyusebfsbguidng I guess which is why they should balance it out. Nothing is sunshine and rainbows but it's not all dark and cloudy either. Some movies should portray the fantasy, if they do it for other characters than why shouldn't LGBTQ characters get understanding happy family, good school life and great partner or some dream come true? Being realistic also doesn't mean that the character has to go through all 7 hells, it could be just one or two
@@gfyusebfsbguidng Suffering is a part of life that everyone goes through. It's the fact that in movies it never ends well with LGBTQ+ characters. It make it seem like LGBTQ+ people can never live a normal or happy life.That might discourage someone trying to come out because the fear that being their true selves will be a life of misery all the time.
gfyusebfuigdn but there’s an abundance/more of the struggle (love) being shown than the opposite. There is NO balance, that’s the problem!
She-Ra on Netflix has some very positive depictions of gay characters.
Eh.... its good because it's barely there. Shera and catra are toxic as hell
Except for the main couple that is She-Ra and Catra lmao, after Catra let Adora fall to her (almost) death in the end of (I think) season 2 I just stopped shipping it. Netossa and Spinerella, Bows parents and random background characters that just /happen/ to be LGBT are great representation though. Also Perfuma and Scorpia sort of had a romantic thing in the last season, no? just me? I ship it.
@@crazygur1y
No don't worry its not just you, half of the Fandom ships it and yea, Catradora is toxic as hell. How can anyone ship them?
"The film is about (Gay Character) living, not dying."
That quote is just--- I love that quote. I'm gonna be applying that all the time now.
This is why I love Schitt’s Creek! They didn’t fall into this trope.
True, they are not fit into any of these type..
@@deedolce04 are trying to be rude?
they can't fit in that trope, it's a lighthearted, funny show
@@worldsbiggestholdthegirlfan Glee started as a dramedy
Yes! David is one of the few LGBTQ+ characters who is a full character who just happens to be LGBTQ and it is not ALL his character is at all! How refreshing!
Getting this recommended to me the day I find out Castiel of _Supernatural_ ended up as simultaneously one of quickest, maybe *the* quickest, and most drawn out examples of this trope is darkly hilarious.
This video made me realize that “the straight savior” is a thing.
I really needed this video. I came out to my parents last night, and they are both loving and accepting people. They kept trying to reassure me, saying it wasn’t a big deal, love is love, they would love me no matter what, etc.. Even though that was their way of trying to be supportive, I tried to explain that it was a big deal to me, but had trouble putting it into words due to my heightened emotions in the heat of the moment.
I have processed a lot of these feelings myself, feelings of internalized homophobia and shame are still pretty pervasive in my way of thinking, unfortunately. This video felt so serendipitous, succinctly expressing what I had such trouble conveying to my parents last night. I think it’ll be really helpful to show them this video! Your channel has really had such a positive impact on my life, so thank you from the bottom of my heart
It makes me happy to know your parents are loving and accepting people ❤
You really have loving parents. I'm really happy for you .
watching this after that episode of Supernatural hits different
Right?! 😭
Hm I must have forgot that part. I just hated the trope of the his human part is gay,but not the one possessing the body.
The movie "The Old Guard" (recently released in Netflix, this year) is the most beautiful example a movie that goes totally against this trope! Some spoilers, but the MAIN (yeah, not the side one) romantic relationship of the movie are two badass, romantic, immortal, yes IMMORTAL, gays who have loved each other for centuries and it has a scene where one of them declares their love in front of homophobes, and let me say that's singlehandedly THE most beautiful romantic scene I've seen in my life!! Also, Charlize Theron is the boss of the group of immortals who fight for humanitarian causes and she carries an axe around, so also a win for us lesbians. I recommend it with my whole heart, love, gayness and being!
That scene in the Old Guard legitimately made me cry, it's one of the best love scenes I've ever seen in a movie
i JUST saw this last week and i loved it. loved the representation of a centuries long gay relationship - all the differing levels of acceptance and non-acceptance you'd face traveling the world for centuries kind of boggles my mind. That speech was a HUGE moment and i definitely cried.
charlize is a motherfucking BOSS
i only chose to watch it bc of her, then the description intregued me but i thought it was a really well done film.
also - the love between charlize's character and her first companion, i think there was more to it than friendship, that was LOVE.
the fact that Schitt's Creek was celebrated for depicting and showing LGBT stories in a positive way, no homophobia in the town, no characters dying or agonizing over their sexuality, is sad. Don't get me wrong, I love Schitt's Creek, one of my faves. But the fact that this was NOT normal, shows just how problematic things are
It's such a sad trope, the way I understand it the problem starts with making the LGBTQ characters into symbols to try and teach the audience something as opposed to making them multi deminsional characters who aren't simply defined by their LGBTQ identifies? I think in that vein similar things happen with other underrepresented groups in media although the ultimate "lessons" and end results are very different.
In Six Feet Under, the gay bury the tropes.
@Manophere. com you have a source? I've never heard that before
Jukettaja ahahahah, that's a good one!
Manophere. com if you’re talking about incels, yeah ya’ll are a hate group. Don’t drag asexuals into your mess they got enough on their plate
The first wlw story I saw that ended happily was San Junipero...that was in 2017.... I was almost 18.
IT SHOULD’VE NOT TAKEN THAT LONG FOR ME TO HAVE HOPE.
you mean the black mirror episode where they both die and one of them visits the other in her head while shes dying? thats still pretty sad
But, in Jennifer’s Body the most explicitly gay character is Needy. She’s not portrayed as evil or hypersexualized. And she lives
Also I think that movie is supposed to not be taken seriously and is just a fun movie like rocky horror
But Jennifer is implied Bisexual
Mia yep Chip
What was the purpose of that kissing scene? Genuinely curious. I haven’t watched the movie in quite sometime.
Bagels’ Happiness on the base surface two hot girls making out sales
In a deeper spoiler level I think Needy was the only thing that made Jennifer not fully evil Needy is Jennifer’s heart her soul and the demon or whatever it is that is now a part of Jennifer because I think she did die but she came back but with something extra maybe Satan wasn't happy the boys from Left Shoulder messed up the ritual and this is why you need a virgin something ’pure’
The darkness in Jennifer is threatened by Needy’s love for Jennifer I don't think it was fully sexual because people experiment with friends they trust with kissing I think the Demon was trying to do to Needy what it had done to the boys
But even with bitchy as Jennifer was she did care for Needy but was definitely controlling
Also at the beginning of the film while Needy is watching Jennifer do the pep rally the girl that's also in Juno calls them Lesbi-gay it's a thing about friends so many people the to make people feel ashamed of being close to others by trying to make homophobic remarks
I went through the saw thing in middle school with my best friend we were close so it had to mean we were lesbians not that would be bad thing but kids are cruel as in small towns it's even worse
I still remember how scared my uncle was of coming out to me. I figured out he was gay when I was 13 and it wasn't until I was 16 that he thought I was ready. He was totally shocked when I told him I already knew, and how I love him and appreciate him in my life never changed.
He finally felt wholly comfortable when he told me a secret of his that only he and my mom knew- he had a son. I was happy to know that I have a younger cousin, but I was sad that he doesn't know my uncle, and who knows if he ever will.
The one thing I always wanted for my uncle was to be happy--with himself, his accomplishments, and to find it with someone else who loves and respects him.
I've seen a movie called Dream Boy (2008), it's a film with themes like hiding your sexuality in society, it started out excellent but the third act ruined everything and even one of the gay protagonists died in the end, too bad this is a standard in lgbt movies
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Everytime this trope happens it breaks my heart, it would be nice to see something nice happen to my favorites for once
THAT MOVIE LITERALLY RUINED ME
You guys make me think about things that I have never thought about before. Its almost like you give me a fresh look when I go back and rewatch something. You know how many times I've seen Philadelphia?! And, I've never thought about it like that.
I feel the same. Sometimes I'm shocked by how certain tropes need to be explicitly pointed out to me before I notice them.
@@abnormalusername Right. Thank God for this channel. I love stuff like this that expands my mind.
Please update this to include Killing Eve
I'm here watching this video again because Castiel from Supernatural is dead after a confession to Dean and I'm just mad.
its exhausting to see minorities always boiled down to hardship rather than actual people. there exists a person outside of pain.
I feel like those who incorporate lgbtq characters in their stories are scared of misrepresenting the lgbtq community. They’ve heard so many stories of how people who r in the lgbtq community have gone through big hardships, so they feel not incorporating that would seem an offense towards them.
Then maybe they should actually hire people from the community to tell their stories.
EVERYTHING offends them lol
@@mhawang8204 agree. This is a problem I often see "here" on the left, we seem to do & then accept symbolic gestures rather than demanding actual change.
Like putting a BLM slogan in the end zone for the NFL or that pic I've seen of the D Senators in that "native costume" they posed in.
Don't just say and print words and pose in an outfit. Fix stuff.
@@MenteColectiva literally shut up, please
then maybe they should like,,, let ppl from the lgbt+ community write their own stories instead of whining about how they cant properly write their stories.
I'm extraordinarily shocked you didn't mention Sal Mineo's character John "Plato" Crawford in 1955's Rebel Without a Cause, widely seen as the first gay teen in American film.
Otherwise, well done! Thanks for the continued fantastic work.
Plato is iconic. Even his name is pretty gay :P
Exactly what I was thinking!?
Yesterday I finished reading The Color Purple and thought about how it really took a different stance on sexuality than other stories of its era. I maybe haven't processed all of that. I'm curious to see the story in other forms.
Some years ago there was a very popular Colombian tv series called Los Reyes. One of the main characters was a trans woman (played by real life transgender actor and entertainer Endry Cardeño), who had a funny, tender and ultimately successful love story with a heterosexual man. Her character was loved, respected and supported by her on- screen family and very popular with Latin American audiences.
No "he is not my boyfriend, he is everything and more" speech?
It would have been the best way to end the video.
I don't mind putting characters through so many hardships after all we need a story my problem is they feel like gay characters not characters who happen to be gay.
Alicia Nelson exactly
So like- complex characters who just happened to be women/gays/theys/poc lol
Hell fucking yeah
wow this was powerful. congrats The Take for this.
It's not entirely fair to include The Imitation Game here. That's not part of any trope, it's an unfortunate true story.
I think the point is that most of these are based on true stories but overwhelmingly only the sad stories are told
@@EJY318 The relevant bits of his life -- how he was treated for being gay -- wasn't.
Once when I was a kid I was watching a movie with my dad in the middle of the movie he said: I saw this movie allready.
I asked: How it just came out
He answered: The bad guy dies, the good guy end up with the hot woman
He would be so confused by movies today
For anyone interested, Matt Baume's channel covers a lot of gay representation, including this trope. Check out his Culture Cruise episodes.
love him! very informative
Was looking for this comment!
Can we get your Take on movies about disabled people?🤩
killing eve nation how are we feeling
fucking pissed
Like shit, I can't believe they did a Lexa again in fucking Killing Eve
Who's here after the killing eve s4 finale?
seriously what was Laura Neal thinking?
@@bethanyholt7003 she wasn't - she didn't do her needed research.
I was there for the Lexa fallout. Stopped watching the show when they offed her, haven't looked back ever since :D
Lexas death was the most painful. At least her death brought about a whole revolution! 😢🤧
That's why Spartacus was so good, *spoiler
The gay couple is the one that survives at the end.
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"The point is that their lives and their story truly matter"
This made me tear up and I wasn't ready to get emotional while eating a bigmac
Ok wow, did the comment I make not post? That's homophobic. Anyway...
Gay people don't need to be reminded of how much we suffer. Straight people include some of these storylines to make themselves feel better for being aware of us. But we don't want that! It's like when Christians go on mission trips and don't ask people in the town they visit what exactly they need. They have an agenda to do what makes them feel like they did something. We don't want tourists exploiting our pain, we want genuine support.
I concur, having LGBTQ characters endure a painful existence that leads to a pernicious outcome, reinforces that heterosexuality is the only preferred sexual orientation that barely leads people living a reality. It's important for the media to have people from the community writing their own stories that focus on the successes that people from our community experience. As a bisexual woman, I am not suffering because of my orientation, my struggles stem from other issues in my life and Hollywood needs to address that we can also have a magical happy ending
Precisely, I hope that more movies, novels and shows will have their LGBTQA Plus characters have happy endings, much like "Love Simon." Positive depictions and portrayals will help any person who's going trying to understand their Sexuality, and help them to know that they're not alone. 😍💞
I feel two things. One, this video is to show the history of where we've come from and to make sure it doesn't happen. That being said, you're more likely to see white gay, white lesbians and maybe the white bi character live happily ever after vs a person of color. I'm saying this all as a, "At least you have movies." The few movies I've seen about Black women in lesbian relationships, we are either in the background without love OR we're dating a white woman without discussing the racism that we see in the LGBT community.
Well said Phoenix! "We don't want tourists exploiting our pain, we want genuine support." Part of this tourism in media is the fact that these suffering LGBTQ characters are almost always played by straight cisgendered actors, who leach off our stories for praise and awards. It's 2020 and no openly LGBTQ actor has ever won an acting Oscar, but I can name off the top of my head at least a dozen straight cisgendered actors who've won or been nominated for "bravely" representing us. Of course, this transaction is not equal or reciprocated, as openly LGBTQ actors are prevented from playing any canonically straight cisgendered rolls. If you don't believe me, look at the careers of actors who've gained fame from playing straight cisgendered rolls, like Matt Bomer, Jim Parsons and Neil Patrick Harris, and see how those same jobs magically disappear once they come out. Hollywood wants our money and our applause for doing the bare minimum of representation, but when it comes to doing the real work of being an ally they are nowhere to be found.
@@lita313 Yeeeeeesssss!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Why would you show Poussey and Soso at 13:10 for LGBT characters surviving 😭
Yeah I was like WTF. That was such poor timing of the video editor knowing how traumatizing Poussey's death was. I still skip that episode whenever I do a re-binge. Tasty's reaction kills me every time. 😭
Tbf when poussey died it didn't feel like she died because the writers needed a gay sacrifice. We always saw poussey as more than her sexuality so when she died it was the spark of someone good and true dying that launched a lot of intentional change in the real world and in the show. No other character's death could've done as much, straight or otherwise.
Don’t u just love it when an ad pops up just when the video is getting to the really good part?
THIS ... is A VERY IMPORTANT content piece, you've made. I used to work in television (not Film), but I also experienced a very unexpected "Hindernis" regarding my sexual orientation at times. Thank you!!!
It’s rare to see family friendly lgbt stories.
And where they’re together and happy at the end without separating, getting sick or dying.
I still think tara's death (buffy) was not part of that trope.
She was a complete character, the relationship was happy and accepted, and in buffy all main characters suffered the loss of a loved one...it was kunda part of all of it
tbh, i think the controversy was for the way she died. it was random and pointless in that part of the story; a diferent take would be if she didn't made it from the ultimate battle, like Vanya. but they decided that a crazy dumb villain killed her by accident, non the less.
@@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551 true, that was harsh..
It was more about willows story, not taras (same as joices death was more about buffys story)
@@saraa.4295 Tbh, i don't think that Joice's dead was the same. They forshadowed the fact that she had a brain illness in previous seasons, so that she died from an aneurism wasn't so out of the blue.
@@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551 it was different, true. But it was the same, because it was done to give buffy a way to develope, as taras death was a way to give willow a way to develope..though for the worse, in this insrance..
The whole sixth season was about random damage that human villains can do..
@@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551 Tara's death wasn't random or pointless, she was the sacrifice that was due for Buffy's resurrection, notice how Willow tried to cheat the goods by killing an animal when the ritual clearly called for a human (a pure one) and how the whole season Buffy feels incomplete, like a part of herself got left behind and it's only after Tara dies that she gets her will to live and her hope for the future back, Willow believed she could deceive the goods and the goods punished her for it by taking her beloved.
So yeah I´m here because of Castiel, he deserved better 💔
I saw Brokeback Mountain as a young teen and loved the film. However, as I've grown into adulthood traveling the world being introduced to different perspectives my opinion has changed. And many of the counties I've been to it's either not socially acceptable or in some instances down right illegal to be a homosexual.
How has your opinion changed?
@@emn2375 I think CZcams deleted my response to you.
@@Goffe909 Oh :/ That's weird, maybe it had a word that made it censored or something? I know CZcams can be particular sometimes. Maybe you could reply again and hopefully it won't be deleted? If you want lol, it must be annoying to have to retype it
@@emn2375 I grew up with gay people in my family, so the idea of homosexuality isn't a big deal in my mind. However, I've worked in many countries where gays are beaten and killed. In Uganda for example the president may lose the upcoming election because he said he would sign the anti-gay legislation and he didn't deliver on his promise.
@@Goffe909 I know this is from a while ago, I forgot to respond to it haha. I understand you seeing how gay people are treated on a global scale has changed, now that you've seen many different places, but how has that changed your perception of gay people themselves? (Rather than your view of how the world perceives gay people.) Are you influenced by these places that have strong anti-LGBT sentiments?
On television, in the 70’s when I was a preteen, both Billy Chrystal & Stephen Collins pioneered playing gay characters only to end up marrying women a few seasons later. The first season of Dynasty centered on the patriarch on trial for murdering his sons gay lover( he is found innocent) & there must have been scores of other young gays watching intently. A scary lesson for our young gays!
"...and Careers!"
*shows Batwoman*
Lmao
If you can’t see it, you can’t be it! Careers in nocturnal rodent vigilantism aren’t just for billionaire orphans anymore!
I went on to TV Tropes and they brought up an interesting point. I'm currently listening to a horror podcast called The Magnus Archives. *Spoilers ahead.*
About 90% of the characters are some form of LGBTQ+. The writer is bisexual. However, almost every character dies, meeting a grizzly end. The question is, is this Bury Your Gays? There are 2 levels of the trope: in story and out of story. In story, no. The characters don't die because they aren't straight, and it's not like ONLY gay characters die. There is one storyline where a male character falls in love with another male character and feels rejected, but that's because the object of his affection is asexual (and it later turns out they have a romantic relationship later on).
But out of story, yes. Stories exist in cultural contexts. Right now, given the history of queer representation in media, any addition to the list of LGBTQ+ characters who die in media contributions to the statistic. It's like how in the '90s and 2000s, the black character always died in horror. It doesn't matter if that was the turning point in the movie, or if there was a great reason, or if it was satisfying (like the character was the villain and their death brings a satisfying end to the story). The pattern exists in stories, and until that pattern changes, any addition to it contributes to the trope, no matter how well done it is.
I wouldn’t consider the call me by your name ending an example of a happy ending. I mean Oliver went on to marry a woman because he wouldn’t be accepted as a gay man.
It's not described as a happy ending, but as being more complex representation.
Not a happy ending, but not a tragic one. It is more like a bittersweet ending
Is this Take just for western films on gays? Some of Asian films have much different attitude towards gays.
it’s a trope made of a bunch of english films ofc it’s for western films on gays
the take is a channel really centered on western cinema, if you ask me.
@@amgm1996 well it makes sense since they are Americans and draw from the perspective of American cinema.
The Take tend to do Western cinema because that is where they are most versed. If you want to challenge it put a comment under their pinned comment. I've seen first hand they do make videos out of those suggestions. This channel is too big for general suggestions to be seen
the whole Channel is mainly about Hollywood (American productions - whether movie or TV). They also don’t cover European (beside some British stuff eventually) or Latin American productions. But they never claim otherwise, It’s often better to stick with the creator’s expertise then having American talking cultures they know very little of.
Excellent video. One small note though: when the characters are actual people that horrible things happened to that isn't a trope; that's just history. It's important to remember that while we are not victims, we most certainly were and are targeted.
Should watch Big Eden, if haven't. Both guys end up alive,not sterotypical of: teen,muscled,same ethnicity,very attractive. Wolves of Khromer is a sad one,but it is an unusual "posative" ending point. Well depends your view.
@TheTake i love how you are doing your videos!
I was practically crying for whole time watching this one.
It's so heartwarming to see how someone is taking the time to gather all of it to compelling content that is giving so much comfort!
I didn't even had to wait until end to know that i will share it everywhere.
I'd love to see more of your work though i am watching it from few years and i know you just dont disappoint.
Love you! ❤
I don't know how to explain how this particular video is different from the other trope videos, but this one was AMAZING. Thanks!
On me I have never noticed this as a trope!!? My mind is blown great job long time subscriber here!
I have wanted to die since I was six years old, so this is a reality for me. I think this is why I idolized Gigi Gorgeous so much. I had never seen anyone in the LGBT+ as happy, glamourous and with a future. The idea that hope could be something that I could aspire to was enough to save my life.
Keep it coming ladies 👏🏾, we want ALL the videos you have 🎞! 🥰
Dear The Take, Your videos are incredibly entertaining and educational. Thank you so much for making and sharing them all.
I have to admit, seing clips of Euphoria in almost every "progressive" parts of your videos makes me so happy.
If you want to watch another very interesting, informative, more detailed piece on the topic of LGBTQ characters in media, go watch a documentary called
'The Celluloid Closet'.
PBS might still have it, but I'm not sure.
The movie not only explores the "bury the gays" trope, but it also explains the origins of portraying gay characters going way back to some of the first movies that were made up until more recent movies, and it also explains how they used to have to sneak in innuendos that a character was gay instead of outright saying it as you see in today's movies and shows.
You will watch that movie and realize that because characters couldn't be openly gay, there are some if not many movies that you might have watched and you didn't even realize a character was supposed to be gay.
@Gabe.
You're welcome 🙂
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Great documentary
Thank you for making and uploading this video!!! It was riveting, truly...
Could you guys pretty please finish your avatar series?🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
That would be great! Loved the two about water and fire
The appearance of the please does not affect its results 😅
Also, yes please!
could you please make a video about islamophobia in film and tv
or even the history of the villain for instance how they were always russian and it progressed to asian and so on
Good idea! They can bring in a POC again to cover it
I'd love to see a video entirely on Ramy.
Oh gosh yes 🥺 I'm tired of seeing people who look like me always portrayed as fricken terrorists .. somehow it always leave me with a bad taste in my mouth because I know that that's exactly what certain people see my kinda people as
Are you asking for a review of Pureflix?
I still remember when I came out to a classmate in Law Scool, his reaction was - "Oh u mean like that guy who dies of AIDS in Philedelphia" :-(
YES. I’ve been waiting for this one 👏
Thanks so much for bringing up It:Chapter two. I honestly left the theater soon after.
This happened with Destiel in 2020!! Most homophobic coming out on a show everrr
It’s mean, the statement it made was Cas living his truth gave him pure and true happiness, as long as you haven’t got an agreement to sacrifice your soul if that were to happen...you’re fine.
@@RagnarokMic yeah but the writers made those rules. It was clearly to appease destiel shippers without actually having to have a gay relationship in the show. I mean, why wait until the very last episode when ppl have been wanting destiel for seasons and seasons
I CAME AS SOON AS I HEARD
same. Lol
Ditto, I can't wait to see their nuanced take on this prevalent issues! 👏🏾💞
SAME
Same
All the way from London? Damn!
Who's here after 15x18 of Supernatural?
The Take, I sincerely thank you for this video 💓
supernatural s15 e18. either you know what I'm talking about or you don't
Maclaine herself has stated she had issues with the Children's Hour ending and somewhat tone deaf approach to the subject matter by the film makers.
I'm so glad you finally got to this topic, excellent video!!
This was really well done. Always appreciate your insights 💗