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- The Speak with dead spell allows them to ask 5 questions to the dead. ONLY FIVE
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Movie Title: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
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Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?
10/10 it's a very very good movie I highly recommend watching it
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This movie was a cop out.
It's a reboot adventure film.
@@2Bros-OVO well do you honestly expect them to make D&D a mainstream movie for casuals if they made it not a cop out? They make movies to provide entertainment and money, there has to be a middle ground for the broader audience. There would be no point if the movie didn't make money after all.
The movie was the best time I've had in a theater in a long time - and I watch every Marvel release opening weekend. As for this video, your audio mix is a bit low.
What I like most is how the voices of the corpses get more and more normal as they dig them up. It's as if the DM was getting tired of doing that raspy voice and just gave up.
That is perfect.
Also the party succeeding on History checks on Xenk one after another. It's these little touches.
especially since overtime our flesh deteriorates and loses strength over the vocal cords.. making it impossible to speak after a while.
That's probably my favorite part of the film. You can actually *see* the influence of the DM pop up from time to time.
I never thought of that until I saw a comment like this and you know what I completely agree with you, really brings realism to the whole movie
As a DM, I felt this video in my bones. My party would 1000% keep interrogating corpses for half an hour even after I remind them that nobody can remember things that happen after they die.
DM gives PC a magic item that grants Speak With Dead At-Will. Every party would 100% abuse the absolute hell out of that on every corpse until they could find what they wanted.
@@innerbeast415 the joke he gives them the item but its bringing them nowhere lol
Ik! Cuz science says that ears can still hear a few min afterm you die
question: can the dead still speak when not spoken to in a session like in the movie? and if you ask your group questions to ask, would that count as a question?
@@CoolJoshido212depends on the GM
This is exactly what you would expect in a well run session.
You get your story run forward
You laugh your asses off with your friends at the table
And you probably all ate too much pizza or something along those lines
Use your imagination
So I'm playing BG3 and was using corpses to learn what the Absolute is and after it said something about being a god and such Gale chimes in and asks "how is any of that going to help us?" And the drow corpse just says "It doesn't" wasting my last question. Thanks, Gale
no freaking way. that is amazing.
Really? 😂 it was astarion who botched it for me with another one.
man, I've spoken to dozens of dead people and not had that happen. just gonna mark it on the list of things to keep a look out for next playthrough.
Probably minthera in the goblin camp?
I had that happen to me as well. I was screaming in both frustration and amusement. I'm usually against strangling the party's Wizard, but Gale was begging for a full garrote at that point.
The fact this movie used so many practical effects like for the undead makes my heart happy. This movie will age much better because of it.
Truly rarest of it's kind
i was so pleasantly surprised to see the amount of wonderful artwork in this scene. Didn't see this movie becuz box office and critical mixed reaction to it. but it seems genuinely made with care, maybe ppl got angry that it was 'woke' or something but it seems like it'll age well.
At least that PART of the movie will age well.
@@GuineaPigEverydayIt’s not just that it looks “woke”, it doesn’t feel like an immersive experience and more like people from contemporary times cosplaying in the Lord of the Rings.
@@jonathandixon1305what does this comment even mean??? Its a DND movie. A game where people literally play pretend.
This is such a brilliant scene specifically because it is exactly how this interaction goes down every time any party tries to use Speak with Dead.
-Party wastes, minimum, 3 questions, usually all of them.
-Party has to go through a dozen dead people before getting usable information.
-Party asks questions about events that would’ve happened after the individual died.
-The GM quickly drops any “dead people” voice after the second or third body dug up.
-All but one of the party makes their knowledge checks, the one member of the party that doesn’t immediately tries to hare off on their own.
-DM eventually just gives up and tells the party the information they need.
Yup, exactly that.
I had an encounter where my party needed a mage to defeat the magical defenses against teleportation of a keep they needed to infiltrate. The mage was held in a warehouse in the docks with Kuo Toa. This was all the info they bothered to set out with. If they had taken a bit more effort they could have figured out:
- The identity of the mage they needed (wasn't even a skillcheck, they just needed to ask the question).
- That the warehouse was a factory that they used to make magical constructs out of dead sailors and broken ships.
- That the mages in the warehouse were wearing collars that would blow them up if they used magic
- That the collars could be unlocked with a control rune
- That Kuo Toa were patrolling the premisses and so magical invisibility or shapeshifting would not work.
So they first sent out the druid disguised as an albatross to scout, which got immediately shot at.
Then they posed as fishermen, got in, almost set off the collar on a mage, managed (by virtue of some god tiers rolls) to convince the overseer to lend them a mage. This mage told them they needed to save a totally different mage for their purpose and when the party suggested helping them free the rest he promptly teleported off.
They then went in again, claiming that the mage had managed to steal their control rune and escape while someone else set another part of the warehouse on fire. In the confusion they took the mage they needed and a party member and said mage teleported out, but the rest of the party had blown their cover and the rest of the mages still captive were in danger of dying due to the fire they started.
Queue combat where basically the only spell that resolved was counterspell, an angry half finished shipwreck golem shot up more of the warehouse causing even more fire and smoke, and just general pandemonium until the party member and mage that escaped earlier returned to help them and the rest managed to get away. They did save most of the captives though and burnt down the factory.
This entire part of the session was planned to be 2 hours tops. Took em 5 :p
@@elonwhateverAre you sure this wasn’t BG3?
@@rasmus9595 Funny thing about that. BG3 came out the week after and two of my mates that play in my campaign were playing it with me. So after about a month of playing when we got to this point we were like: "huh, that's uncannily familiar".
The last time my party used Speak with Dead it was a murder mystery with 3 bodies. We ended the session after finding a Cleric that could cast the spell and hiring him. Since we would have travel time and such we were allowed to prepare our 15 questions in advance as well as some alternate questions depending on the responses. It made things go so much more smoothly, plus it was a fun discussion over discord over the week as we debated what questions to ask.
"I'm bad at math." *drops dead* 😂
Me during my BC Calculus exam.
I felt that in my soul.
i laughed ao hard at that scene it hurt bro.
Sounds like me during a math test at school😂
I love that the party one by one realizes they had heard of Xenk as if the players were rolling Knowledge rolls and only Edgin failed.
Since I play Baldur's Gate 3 since its release, I can totally see this now.
*history checks
@@iamarnold3577He's probably a PF player, AKA old school hard core DnD lol. It's Knowledge History and Knowledge Arcana there
@@NYCharlie718 PF is not hardcore old-school it's a 3.5 equivalent, old-school is like 1e 2e and moldvay.
@@Ryan-mr3zf When DnD One comes out, DnD 5E is going to be old-school and hardcore
It's a shame that this movie wasn't more of a hit. Of all the ways films choose to dialogue-dump, this is probably one of the most creative ways I've ever seen it utilized. It feels more like a part of the actual world than a plot device.
From what I hear, the movie would have done better if Hasborough haden't tried to revoke the D&D open license. Many fans supposidly boycotted the theater release in protest. It took too long for Hasboro to back down, so many fans didn't go, and they didn't stream it either.
@@Zebulization It wasn't just the OGL (although that was a major factor). Hasbro had been acting scummy for some time at that point and people were fed up with the company. For example the 30th Anniversary of magic the gathering at the end of the year before this came out was a fiasco ($250 pack of cards). They sent the Pinkertons (the company that used to go around Union busting) to someone's house because they messed up. And several other incidents that all just made their fans angry and the backlash was felt by this movie at the box office.
@@TraskLargero I read about the thugs. I remember thinking: "If you actually thought that they somehow stole the cards then involve the police, or your lawyers. Don't hire mercenaries."
It would've done better if it didn't release against John Wick
@@charge2025 After reading your comment and the ones above it, it's kind of ironic to me that a movie made by a company who went to such lengths as hiring mercenaries, lost to a movie literally about mercenaries lol.
That guy dead by slipping is so hilarious.
happens in the real world. although that bath tub did look like a nice metal one that would keep nice and hot
I felt this fucking scene because I literally had that happen to me like 2 weeks prior and I got a fucking concussion for the first time. Lmao
This almost happened to me when I was 15 more or less. I slipped just after the bath just like him, but fortunately enough i was further away so I only smashed my back flat against the floor.
instead of live leak those guys get the "roll dice" screen. He got out of tub and the screen popped up and rolled a nat 1.
Given that I am a fan of slapstick (The Three Stooges, for example), that scene had me in tears when I first saw it.
I still laugh!
The last undead with no closure to the fifth question vexes me to no end.
Hopefully some day somebody will pass him by, ask "how the fck are you alive?" and he'll explain and immediately die for good.
I mean, the first thing anyone would say upon walking into that grave yard would be, "whatvthe hell happened here?" Which he would then explain and die.
Some poor grave keeper is gonna have a very long explanation to his “what the hell happened here” question lol
@@saintdane7336kinda expected it to show up at he end of the movie somehow during the end fight
If it helps, the game's description says the spell ends after 10 minutes even if you don't ask all your questions.
I miscounted during the movie and thought the "bad at math" corpse collapsed after 4 questions instead of 5, honestly would have loved that as a joke
it was with the last one. you need to watch past the credits
@@toomanyaccounts I know they left the last one incomplete, I was just saying it would have been funny if one of the corpses collapsed after 4 questions instead of the 5 the spell specifies because he was bad at math and couldn't count
@@binarysmilethe spell is good at math
@@binarysmile unfortunately, its the spell that's keeping track of the questions, not the one being "revived", so I think that maybe the guy would try to drop dead after question 4 and then realize they aren't done with him.
The guy with the torch even said "won't you ask him the last two questions" and the guy dropped after the third question after that. And you thought there was yet another question?
Honestly hilarious to me how this works with the actual joke
What's 2+2
Xenk being played as a straight-edged true lawful good was the funniest thing in this movie.
Mf was either the DM's OC or the Christian kid of the group who later left mid session after his mom caught him
@@martinxy1291 He was basically just the DM telling them "Just get to the next quest stage already...-.-"
@@martinxy1291He’s the one friend who can never make it because of scheduling conflicts so when he finally can make it to a session the DM makes sure it’s special for him
I like to think it is a veteran player called in as a guest by the GM so that the party gets more competent for a time.
@@kingskelett6265 I think Xenk is DMPC
This movie is... it's art. As someone who plays D&D on the weekly, this is the most accurate representation of what D&D is like *.*
That's good. I don't know the first thing about D&D. I just really liked the film, it was funny.
No. The most accurate representation of what D&D is like was already made years ago: The Gamers: Dorkness Rising. Look it up and give it a watch.
This movie is a more accurate representation of what the players IMAGINE the game world is like.
Although one thing I will say is inaccurate was the Paladin Xenk. That is how a Paladin SHOULD be played... but sadly, that is rarely how they ARE played!
@@felixfeliciano7011 Xenk wasn't a player, he was a DMPC. That's the entire point. He's a DM insert who guides the players on their quest, which is why he was particularly pissed when they fucked up the bridge puzzle, and why he says "I have given you the tools, it is up to you to use them."
I didn't even know that this is a game adaptation 😂 I just loved the movie 🔥
@@hamzasat Why do you think it is called " *Dungeons and Dragons* : Honor Among Thieves"?
Lol this scene had me in stitches! They did a good job this time it felt way more along the lines of a bunch of people sitting around the table rolling dice and acting it out :D
This was pretty much as perfect a D&D movie as anyone could have asked for. I hope everyone watched it in theaters and I hope we get another one!
I watched in theaters. Never saw a trailer. Best movie I've seen in an entire year. Nothing has topped it.
They dug up so many more bodies than we got to see in the movie...
I love how they managed to put the awkwardness of trying to sus out information about something in a game, where the DM is trying real hard but you keep rolling low on investigation checks and made it feel authentic to a real life situation.
Not Low Investigation Rolls.
More the Players and the DM keeping it straight.
The Spell does only let you answer 5 Questions and they did ask 5 Questions. They just didn't ask the right ones.
Now you think Players would maybe go aside for a bit, agree to a set of questions then ask properly but I also know some Parties wherein that just doesn't happen because that option never goes to their heads during the moment.
@@radiobehemoth9334They were also asking the wrong people.
@@radiobehemoth9334The "Was that a question?" moment was totally one of the players asking another out of character, only for the DM to be a prick XD.
nobody gonna talk about the battle scenes? how its all extras and nearly all practical? hard to find these type of movies now a days. reminds me of the classic epics like lotr and narnia
I loved this movie for a lot of reasons including that it looks like they went practical/shot in real places when they could. It makes such a huge difference
Those movies are 90% CGI during battle scenes.
It’s a lot cheaper than CGI now too. Probably spent more on editing than paying actors and wardrobe.
I remember thinking when i watched this: "Ahhhh here we go, this helmet mystery will definitely lead back to the first dead guy - he is the only one who knows the full story. To bad he cant be revived anymore... xD". I was wrong in the end, but that would be so hilarious...
Well, it probably would have, but the DM made up Xenk as a way out of the dead end the players had maneouvred themselves into.
@@KingLofiOne It's like Honest Trailers said. Xenk is an NPC dropped in by the DM to get these idiots unstuck and back on the main quest.
@@srirajbalaraman6184 It's like D&D players would notice, not what Honest Trailers decrees because they also noticed. The same thing happens later with the conveniently discovered "Hither-Thither Staff" after the party bungles the stepping stone riddle.
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Or if the name of the book the corpse had named would be the key
Storytime:
Last skeleton sits in the grave for a few hours, decides this is horseshit, gets up and walks to a cleric, everyone is too afraid of him to talk to him on the way.
He gets to the cleric and explains his situation, the cleric gives him the bill and asks if that will be all.
No, the skeleton answers.
He falls backwards dead.
@@joshuablade6974 Furry calling the Browny dweeb.
What an age we live in, now all we need is a feet guy and margot robbie and we got ourselves a movie.
So to make up for the jerk who commented, I’ll say that your story was hilarious and made my day.
Though on re-read, wouldn’t the answer be “yes?” Since the cleric is asking if that will be all.
@@animeotaku307 I was going with him finding a zeal for life and wanting to do more after the priestly service. Like having a curse lifted, and the priest handing him the bill before the service is performed and literally asking him if he only wants to die, and he going like "No, i plan to visit MacBaldurs later" but being cut off after he says no. Tho now that i really think about it, I cant say which is better.
It seems to me the question has to be asked by the same person. It's always Chris Pine asking it here. If that is the case, he's doomed to shamble across the Earth looking for the one man who can bring him peace. Or crawl. Or just lie there as he decomposes slowly. Conscious all the time until the very last atom desintegrates...
@@michaeldeboer 0:13 one of the other characters asks the question "why did you say 'OK' after that?", of which the Undead answered as his 5th and final question before falling back into his grave.
Either this was a missed detail on the VERY FIRST body, or anyone can ask the questions, they just gave Edgin the reigns as the party leader to reduce the chances of asking a useless question before they got their information.
This movie really caught me by surprice. Felt like a real breath of fresh air. Lots of passion went into it. Even if the overall story was very 'basic'. Heroes save the world etc etc.
But it was charming and fun, without taking away from the more serious moments.
Really hoping for a sequel. either a continuation or a diffrent story entirely.
Same actors, different characters
@@bodenkingnah, same actors/characters, different campaign
same, the chemistry between the entire cast is phenomenal!
Just imagine later someone passes through the cemetery and the last dead man just calls out to him "Excuse me sir, could you ask me a question?" "Why?" "For this. Thank you!" *drops dead*.
XD
Pretty sure something similar happens in the post-credits scene.
More like, see the zombie "hey, why are you alive?"
Imagine someone is wandering through the cemetery, hears the whispers of the undead saying "Ask me anything", then the guy asks a very important question thinking it's like a kind of fortune teller, just for the corpse to answer "I don't know" and fall dead
"I'm bad at math" *Died*
As someone who doesn't play D&D, I enjoyed this movie but this scene was easily top 3 favorites.
I’ve never played either, but I am interested in the lore of the Forgotten Realms. And I think my most favourite scene would be Themberchaud.
@@cameronmcewen9666that guy's a fun one. He has his biggest role in the out of the abyss module, where he can hire the players to get rid of the forge clerics trying to replace him due to how greedy and fat he is
Xenk comforting Sven in his final moments was one of the most serene things I've ever seen lol
Paladins are the best mate. ;3
Its Ven, Sven is the one die slipping 😊
I mean, it would've been nice if Xenk used lay on hands to heal him up! 😡
That first corpse part was my favorite scene in the whole movie
So what's 2+2?
@@CommanderShamilI’m bad at math
@@andytorres6052
*thunk*
It was a great popcorn movie. It did what the Willow series tried to do but 1000% better.
Yep. Hopefully, the next willow season comes out way better if they make a season 2
Pretty sure willow was cancelled.
If you looked at Willow as a D&D movie/series, you did it wrong from the start. No wonder you were disappointed.
Willow is better than this.
@@cdc_9873it was cancelled because it was overflowing with wokeness. The actor also passed away
Should have asked "What is the top air speed of an unladen swallow?"
African or European?
@@MrLightningbob i don't know that!
@@xavreim6957 You gotta be a king to know those things
@@xavreim6957 _dies_
What's your fav color?
This was the best part of the whole movie. I was dying laughing
Okay,
1. What's your fave book?
2. What's your fave song?
3. Which direction is Baldur's Gate?
4. What does 6555 mean?
Someone else think of a 5th question.
@@JohnZ117 How was your First Time~? X3
"I didn't" Actually made me laugh harder than any movie in recent memory
i think this is second to the potato throw
This movie was such a true D&D group. It had me rolling and noding my head at times going yep did similar things as well hahaha
This is a seriously underrated movie. The entire plot, use of magic, emotion and comedy, and visually far better than the box office numbers suggests.
Yeah. Too bad Wizards and Hasbro fucked up prior with their stupid OGL move.
after playing bg3, this felt so real with the speak to the dead spell lol
lmao i kr
I thought the same😂 i play it with a buddy and we burst out laughing becaus we botched some interrogations in the same way.
This was such a fun/good movie. Chris Pine was perfectly cast.
Agreed.
I liked that instead of going with a fighter or something as the main lead, they went with a bard
Talking about the Paladin, everyone but the bard makes their history check.
even more funny that traditionally bards are musical story tellers, so the fact he didnt know the guys makes it all the more funny
@@marvthedog1972is he a bard?
Or a rogue with musical instrument proficiency.
@@baonkang5990 That is what I was thinking.
Edgin could be a Rogue with high Charisma and the Faction Agent background, because one gets proficiency with a musical instrument.
This deserved more hype and recognition
Fantastic movie
*_No! I DOID! From the FOLL!_*
Me and my wife laughed like Hell.
I’m so glad BG3 incorporated this in the game.
Speak with Dead is a 3rd level spell in regular DnD.
"What's 2+2?"
"I am bad at math"
😁😆
The poor guy who died slipping in his bath ask if his brother still alive 😢😢😢
after playing Baldur's gate 3 and using the spell "Speak to the dead" This makes a lot of sense now.
My theater was laughing so much during this scene.
Is this guy turning into bill murray or is it just me?
The voice is almost there, throw in some dryly delivered sarcasm and you have a young venkman.
he looks like Kamil
Oh my god CHris Pine would be a fucking _awesome Young Venkman.
That was an awesome scene :) a typical GM move
This movie is going to be a cult classic
No doubt about it. It's very fun to watch. Super enjoyable
true, true
Unironically one of the most refreshing movies I've watched in recent times. Was it mundane? Yes but it held true to the source material (even if it's 5e) and had good emotional depth. And some pretty funny scenes and jokes!
i LOVE how the spell works was portrayed in the movie, you can tell the ones how wirte it really played the game, not only read the rules of D&D
1:49😂
Lykanthus Szar, eh? Wonder if there's any relation to a certain Cazdor Szar.
Now that im a DND fan, after Baldurs Gate 3, im starting to watch these DND clips and enjoying them way more.
I need to watch the full movie now. :D
I have never played D&D.
But I read some of the comments.
You guys are a group of true gentlemen.
I salute you!
This movie was not only a joy to watch, and beautiful with its effects, it perfectly encapsulates the feeling of a DnD game, where nothing goes to plan, half the time the players are winging it, the DM allows breaking RAW for the rule of cool every once in a while, the interactions of the party members evolving and fitting into different niches over time as they get more comfortable with their characters.
Who's here after Baldur's Gate 3?
Me
It's scenes like this that made the movie so great. I was in stiches with the exasperation of getting dead ends with the questioning, so relatable to games I've been in/ran.
i loved that the cartoon characters were in it. (running the maze with them)
Man that movie had no business being that good. Me, an old D&D tabletop player in the 90's and my wife who knew nothing about it, we both loved that movie!
“Im vens Sullivan, vin is my brother…is vin alright?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is the type of scene my dad would have enjoyed. Oh crap we need a new one. Wait you died before...okay that checks. How did you die again...slipped and crack you head on the tube. And the last guy realizing, "shit I'm suck like this now" This is the stupid humor he loved watching with me.
Me playing baldurs gate 3 making sure I ask the right questions to the dead before they give up
What I love about this movie is that the progression is exactly what a DnD campaign would be: Completely broken and no one knows if Plot point A will effect NPC #361
Literally me in BG3
This is how you do exposition. We learn so much about the world from this scene
This movie is just so... good. It's fun, comfy, emotional, just a great watch and with so much rewatch potential.
1:50 Yeah, this is me. I hate math so much
i am very glad they went back and asked the 2nd guy more questions so he went back to the dead. what a great movie
Best movie I've seen in an entire year. Best movie. No movie has topped it.
Here’s my five questions:
“What is your name?”
“What is your quest?”
“What is your favorite color?”
“What is the capital of Assyria?”
“What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?”
Kinda crazy i knew about the 5 question rules on speaking to the day in baldurs gate 3.. from this
can only hope they make a sequel. This movie was amazing - great humor, fun story, awesome cast.
This is the scene that made me fall in love with this movie for a few reasons. The singing illusion sealed the deal. 10/10 recommend
"The corpse regards you lifeless"
0:12 This is exactly my table. Someone will make a dumb mistake, and someone else will make a smart ass remark at them, just to make a nearly identical mistake moments later (though, not usually in the same sentence)
This film surprised me. It was actually good.
I agree. Saw lots of bad reviews but wanted to check it out because I liked the trailer. Glad I did. Was like watching a table top session. After this and vox machina, want to see more DnD stuff.
This scene reminds of the time
Hellboy went to the cemetery to bring back a dead guy
I love Love LOVE this movie so much. It is everything it needed to be and more.
This movie blew my expectations out of the water
"What's 2+2?" "I'm bad at math" (Then dies)
Never got into DND as a kid, always wanted too looked like fun but this movie was great. Really hoping they make a sequel
This was the funniest movie scene I'd seen in years. Still gold. 😂
I was literally out of breathe laughing during this whole scene haven’t seen a good action comedy in so long
My wife and I loved this movie! Pleasantly surprised for sure!!
this happened to me in baldur's gate 3
This makes me actually want to see the movie now.
Reminded me a bit of Hellboy, but this film was so much fun.
This is very much how Speak with Dead works in DnD sessions. :D
The trailer showing this immediately made me want to see the movie. It looked hilarious. The scene was 10 times better than we though. Funny, informational.
That first one makes me laugh out loud every time 😂
"Excuse me... I'm still alive..."
😂
Know nothing about D&D and now after spending over 200 hours in baldurs gate 3 I feel like I can start down the rabbit hole with this movie
I couldn’t stop laughing in this scene, it was hilarious
Im only play dnd vid game and not playing tabletop one and i find this scene briliant,funny and well imagined lol
Never played D&D as a tabletop. But playing through baldurs gate I just found a necklace that gives you the "speak to the dead" spell. I have yet to try it. But I think it's kinda cool that the movie did the same thing with the 5 questions max.
Although in BG you can't ask undead or undead you deadded more .. double deaded? Deabled? Whatever
If only I could die instantly when someone asks me a math question 😂
the
"don't you feel better?"
"no"
without a second's pause in between fuckin sent me
This was easily one of my favorite scenes the 1st time I seen it and how the 1st time abruptly ended I literally couldn't stop laughing to even continue the movie lol
damn, this looks actually well made. might have to give that movie a watch.
Didn't care for the film, a lot of dull moments i would never re-watch, but this scene 10/10! Wish they could have kept up the creativity with the rest of the story like this.
Honestly seeing the Cult of the Dragon come alive on screen was pretty cool. It really makes me want a Tyranny of Dragon series, Game of Thrones style.
me asking the name of a corpse ive met and introduced myself to in act 1
I was dying with laughter watching this entire scene. I thought the "where's the shovel" part was them about to re-bury the coffin they dug up. Turns out they hadn't even gotten started lol