Middle St. Vrain Trail Guide | I was often told my stock Rubicon was too small for this!
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- Middle St. Vrain and Coney Flats Trail is a difficult trail near Boulder, CO featuring a Stock Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon, a lifted Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, and a lifted Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon. This one has deep water crossings, lots of rocks, and some awesome low altitude scenery. This is the trail that resulted in this channel's creation and we will review it as well giving all the info you need to figure out if you want to do it. We use Funtreks and TrailsOffroad as reference materials and use stock off-roading vehicles to determine trail difficulty.
Filmed on July 20th, 2020
Published in May of 2021
Timestamps:
Intro: 00:00
Core Trail Info: 00:23
How to get here: 00:38
Gatekeeper/Vehicle Info: 00:49
1st Playground: 3:27
The Big Rock: 6:27
The Water Chutes: 9:06
Why we created Colorado Mallcrawlers: 10:40
TimberLINE falls crossing: 12:10
Coney Flats intersection: 12:55
Boulder Garden: 14:20
Large Pond Crossing: 16:54
Trail Review/Breakdown: 17:57
Beer Review: 20:27
Dewie’s Jeep dies: 20:52
Dewie Jones is the best wheeler clip: 22:55
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Channel Info:
My name is Dewie Jones and I’m the reluctant host, videographer, and video editor for the channel. I’ve daily driven a wrangler my entire driving life starting with a 1997 TJ and now I’m in a nine year old 2012 JK. I like the challenge of driving a stock wrangler on tough trails. My buds are not new to wheeling either, but for their own specific reasons, now wheel aggressive SUV based off-roaders like KL Cherokees, 4Runners, Land Cruisers, VW Touregs, and Renegades. We decided Colorado Mallcrawlers was a funny name so that's how we got here.
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Another great video! Love the stock jeep approach to the trails. Keep them coming!
Thanks so much man! Some changes happening here, but I’ll always be wheeling a stock wrangler… but I’m getting something else that is going to be a fun but probably slow build. Hopefully I can make that video soon and then I just need to get it here to Colorado.
These videos are absolutely excellent and amazing for trip planning. Thank you!
That’s awesome to hear! Thank you!
Just used your trail guide to run this trail in a mostly stock 2010 Chevy Colorado on 33’s. Had an absolute blast.
Awesome! I’m glad it helped and that you had a blast. I’m trying to find a good guide for the one I’m running tomorrow, but I think I gotta make it myself. Thanks for watching!
Epic!! Can't wait to watch the whole thing. Love these vids!
Thanks! I feel it came out pretty good, but I’m working on making them better. Thanks for watching!
Great video, nice and detailed with a good summary. Looking forward to more adventures!
Thanks man! Almost have the next one ready, but my work is busy right now so I’m having limited time to finish it. Thanks for watching!
Another great trail guide. I'm looking forward to running this trail.
You’ll love it! It’s a fun one! Thanks for watching!
Great Video! Love all the trails you have out west & can't wait until I am able to take my TJ on some trails you have covered.
Man, I wish I still had my TJ out here. I hope you can get out here soon! Thanks for watching!
We hit that trail for the first time last year. My son just loved it when we crossed the lake. So we crossed it again, and again, and again. We're probably going to camp up there this summer. I was running a 2018 JLU Sport S with a 3" lift and 35s.. This year we've got a new Rubicon with a 3" lift and 37s.
That’ll be a great place to camp! Thanks for watching!
Great entertainment! Love seeing the KL out ripping!
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Yet again with another great video, you just keep adding more to the bucket list
Thanks so much man! Due to my work, I’m changing things up a little, going to be putting out a lot more trails just shorter so that bucket list might be getting longer. These will be easier trails tho as the guys will want me to save the difficult ones for them.
@@coloradomallcrawlers makes total sense and honestly thank you for all of the work you put in as well as your full time job
Those trails look awesome. Nice info👍🇺🇸
It is fun! Thank you!
Wow this video is great! I haven’t seen any like this before that are all about taking more normal rigs on hard trails. Love seeing this!
That’s what we aim to do… thanks for watching!
I got sandbagged into taking my stock 03 4runner Limited back there years ago and saw nothing but modified vehicles! Tore up my skid plate and running boards, but made it out and back.
Man, I’m sorry to hear that happened, but glad you got through it. Thanks for watching!
Hey good to see you back Sean too I like watching Sean climbed because I've got a 2016 Cherokee trailhawk also it's stock but I still get up and over gatekeepers just like the wranglers do keep going I love you videos
I’m hoping Sean and I can get back wheeling together soon. He’s been dealing with some stuff and I’m now in Grand Junction, but I have him working on picking the Moab and Ouray trails we do as big guides this year. I’ll be scouting a lot of trails tho, just shorter videos till I can get the crew all back together. I’ve even considered getting a Trailhawk myself and leaving it stock to see what I can do in it. Thanks for watching!
Awesome work
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
Great video! I need to head up there this summer. 👍🏻
It’s definitely a great trail! Thanks for watching!
For any newbie watching this and not knowing what "hydrolocking" is or the cause of it. It's important to note that on water crossings, if your air intake goes under water, it can take out your engine. Best thing to do is pop your hood and see where your air intake is and how high or low it is so you can gauge how deep the safe zone for water crossings are. If not, be prepared to buy a motor.✌🤙
Good point, however the intake is just one of the pieces. You want to make sure your breathing tubes are extended as well as your electronics locations. I generally stick to the manufacturer’s water fording limits to keep a warranty intact (30in on a wrangler JL, 20in on a pre-JL wrangler). The air intake is much higher up than the limit usually and you’d likely be ok, but if you care about your warranty, be careful to stay under that water fording number.
Those fording numbers are based on the body air intake vents. One way vent, but it has been know to fail.
Awesome trail! I remember the rough corduroy back in the 70s!
It sure is! Thanks for watching!
My boy Dewi is finally back with some trail hawk actions. Thanks Dewi💪🇨🇦😁
Thanks! It’s good to be back, but it’d be great if we can keep these Trailhawks running. Sean is dealing with some stuff preventing him from wheeling. Thanks for the support!
@@coloradomallcrawlers I watch regardless lmfao cheers 💪🇨🇦🇨🇦
Love the vid!
Sweet! Thanks for watching!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
So far my favorite trail in CO...got in a rush at the beginning and did the gatekeeper in 2 high....made it over, but...derp. Beautiful scenery and a pretty good workout. Coney flats was a blast. Great video!
It’s a great one! Thanks for watching!
looks like ur living the dream! 🙌
😂, well
Man Coney Flats looks so cool! I've been wanting to do that one for a long time.
You’d love it buddy!
Also ngl that accidental foot transition at 7:00 was a nice touch.
I’m a novice when it come to making videos, but I’m learning new things all the time lol. Wish I could get my videos to look as cinematic as yours though!
Drove This trail in 14 in a 2013 base JK on 35's no lockers it handled it but got pick your line right with out lockers.
For sure!
Good to know my stock 4Runner needs modifications. I almost went up this trail
I’d think you’d just need good protection, but hopefully the video gave you insight on what yours actually needs. Thanks for watching!
We’re going to the all 4 fun event and then to Moab in July and I’ll be in my stock trailhawk.gonna be a crazy trip and gonna be fun.
Have a blast!
that's great adventure car
I think so too!
Thinking about hitting this one Saturday in my GX470!
Have a blast! Thanks for watching!
Been going here since I was 5 when no one knew about it. It's cool more people enjoy it but also sad to see it so populated now hahahaha. Also you can crawl up those rocks (especially in a manual) without tearing up trail. Just go slowly, plan it out and it'll go fine.
Love your videos! Wish I still had my LR3. Would totally go with you guys!
Thanks so much! Bring whatever you got!
@@coloradomallcrawlers Minivan or Sedan? ROFL. Someday, I hope to have an off-roader again. Would love to see some Land Rovers in your videos. People don't realize how capable they are.
Barbour Fork has one and Jake did Antero. I’d love to have a lot more vehicles in all these videos... scheduling is a pain with my work schedule. Maybe someday I’ll have more flexibility. Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers I think the only one I've seen is a 1st gen Range Rover.
Yeah, that was Jake on Antero. Jordan in a discovery did Barbour forks, but I haven’t had time to edit that as it’ll be a longer one. The next few will be shorter trail guides, but my work recalled everyone back recently so I should be getting more time to edit in the future.
Dewi, you guys got tire patch kits with you I hope lol. At all times. And a first aid kit. Cheers💪🇨🇦
We did that on tincup. We broke everything! God you ain't lying lol
😂, what a day or was it days that trail was... oh and the comments 🤣. If you want to re-live that cluster, here you go czcams.com/video/pn7_rQlg8_M/video.html
@@coloradomallcrawlers 😂😂😒 lol
I thought he we had done Middle Saint Vrain, but after watching the video, I don’t think we have.... I definitely don’t remember the Gatekeeper!!
Possibly you did Coney Flats, did you do the big pond crossing?
@@coloradomallcrawlers yeah maybe. If we did, it would have been in my stock ‘04, we didn’t do a whole lot of ponds in it! Lol
The TrailHawk made quick work of the "Gate Keeper"!
It sure did! Thanks for watching!
Grand Junction is awesome!
I been telling my wife for 5 years that I want to move there.
Your whole video was awesome! I like everything about it.
My wife and I want to go to Moab sometime in the next 12 months.
We would love to meet you and go on a trail together.
Thank you so much! You should, but after I find a place first (just kidding). Sweet, that’s good to hear as it lets me know we’re doing something right. My next few are going to be shorter, but in the same style... but I’m hoping this move will help me cover more trails and it’ll work with my chaotic work schedule. Definitely hit me up if you make it out here!
@@coloradomallcrawlers
When I do go to Moab I want to stop at the Jeep Rescue League and get a selfie with Jeep Momma, then see you and get a selfie with you too.
I want to get selfies of all my CZcams favorites.
It would be a great honor to go on a trail with you because I been following you since I saw you play with those giant spiders.
That’d be really fun!
Been meaning to attempt this with my Montero with a 2.5" lift and 32" all terrains. If that KL can do it I think I can, I have more ground clearance.
Have fun! It’s a great trail!
How are you liking GJ the Grand Mesa has some good trails and McClure pass as well
Love it! I’m staying with a co-worker friend and have to be out on August 1st so that’s my only issue.
Nice video. I will have to check out your channel more. This one may be tough for my stock 4runner. Maybe I missed it, but when did you actually run this? Seems like there would still be snow if you just did it.
Yeah, I need to do better at noting that, it was in the general info screen, but probably too small. We ran it on July 20th, 2020. I think there’s still a bunch of snow due to the late season snow, but I’m currently in Grand Junction and haven’t been home in a while. Thanks for watching and we got some 4Runners in our other videos... I wish I could take the 4Runner in my garage on these guides, but she watches these videos so it’s a no go 😂.
So you said that pulling a trailer is possible. I have a 5x8 utility converted to a camper so you think it could make it to the campground.
I put a new clutch in my 03 Rubicon. It went well and when you do your own repairs you can visualize how everything works when you're on the trail.
Well, I’d pull my camper on it, but it’s up to you to decide for yours. I would not pull my camper on wheeler lake as it would be nearly impossible on obstacle 2. Here, there is no major obstacles to get hung up on so I would do it once I’ve waterproofed it. My camper only weighs 1700lbs (and will go on a diet soon), has a max coupler, and my Jeep pulls it well. I don’t have time to do my own repairs even if I wanted to, but I like having a qualified mechanic do it. My replacement clutch was bad from the factory, since a certified shop did the replacement, I had no problems getting the clutch replaced again and now it’s 100%. Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers oh right. If you would have put it in I can hear them now, having a pro do eliminates any argument. My trailer weight is 1780 and I'm using a pentle and lunette ring.
Thank you for the information. You have a really good channel.
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TBH this all time I thought you were the guy with the trailhawk xD
Lol
I would love to do a trail ride with you and Sean one of these days. I have a 2020 Trail hawk elite with 11 1\2 inches of ground clearance 3 inch lift from Summit off road and 32 in KO2's.you guys have more experience then I as I just got back in to off reading after 27 years let me know.
We would love to have more people join us, but my schedule is chaotic and off-roading requires some pre-established trust in your crew. Still, we definitely want to do it, just don’t have a means to how yet. I’ll announce wheeling days on my Facebook and sometimes Instagram tho. Thanks for watching!
Hey - do you post any trail run meetups? Trying to find some groups as the season opens up.
Unfortunately only on my Instagram and Facebook until we get a better means. Thanks for watching!
Hey I love your videos and the way you use different vehicles for the people who watching to relate to. I have a 4th gen 4runner with a lift a 33s. I live in Colorado and venture over to Moab a few times a year. Would love to hit some trails with you if you are interested. Let me know
Yeah we’d love that… Moab is our hardest spot to cover with a greater variety of vehicles.
@@coloradomallcrawlers what is the best way to contact you
Great video, thanks for posting! Question though, your mechanic in Boulder - has he worked on a Jeep for another (Boulder based) CZcams channel? Sounds familiar for some reason...
Yeah, Devon of Devon’s Auto Care was an off-road mechanic at Pollard Jeep when they did builds including hemi conversions. I met him there when I also worked there. Pollard closed the off-road shop so Devon then started his shop. TFL used him for Tommy’s Jeep and probably other stuff. He’s crazy busy tho so they may not be using him anymore. He’s a skilled, honest, and fair mechanic and that’s why he’s so busy.
@@coloradomallcrawlers yep, that's my other favorite CZcams channel - and the build I was thinking of. Thank you for posting and I can't wait to see what you've been up to. Be safe!
Thank you man for watching and supporting us through your viewership! We do appreciate it!
Hey this is Tony from
I'm planning on visiting there and renting a side-by-side. A Maverick X3. I'm leaning towards this Trail for a half day. It would be my son and I. Do you think this is a good choice? Or is there better Trails for a side-by-side
I believe so as every time I’ve done it in recent years, there’s a lot of side by sides on it. However, I don’t wheel a side by side so I can’t speak from experience. Have fun!
So I have a question. I've watched a few of your videos and I've noticed that the Trailhawk doesn't use the rear differential lock. What is the reason for this? I've never used mine off road but I do own one. Just curious. The only thing I can come up with is it's easier to break something
Sean uses it often (grey KL), and I think Zach did too when he had the black KL. Of course using lockers more often does increase your potential to break them, BUT they’re both pretty good at using it in the right situation. Thanks for watching!
Ya I don't use mine all the time but I know when I see an obstacle If it's one I should be using it on. I don't like to tear a trail up and I don't like drama when I climb cuz I think bouncing around increases my risk to break stuff , but mostly I'm using it if I know I'm gonna be lifting a wheel a lot or be off camber a lot on a climb because its a lot more controlled. I think Zach used his a lot less than I do , but I definitely do use it. I paid for it I'm using it
I got a tacoma with a 2” lift really want to do this trail next season is there alternatives for the big obstacles??
There really are not any bypasses on this trail. Easier lines are possible though. Just have underbody protection and rock rails and you’ll be fine!
👍👍 Great channel Awesome videos!
What lake is that at the end of the video that you roll up on?
That’s Beaver Reservoir. Thanks for watching!
How does that 3 inch lift affect the gaz mileage on that Cherokee ? And does it fragilize the other components ?
It decreases gas mileage and affect’s durability of the KL Cherokee. I’ve convinced Sean (grey Cherokee KL) to discuss his issues in a future video. We’ll film it when camping.
@@coloradomallcrawlers i just bought a Cherokee traihawk 2016 and was just wondering about all these issues I find that the 3.2 lacks a bit of torq since its soo heavy. Haven't tried it off road just yet. Did alot of deep snow with it and its really Good i find. Had to lock the back a feww times and wow does it help !
I also noted that it's quite thirsty gaz wise Maybe that engin isn't strong enough or the gearing isnt perfect.
When are you going to get new tires on that Wrangler lol
😂, filmed long ago, I upgraded after Wheeler Lake as I had to work too hard on obstacle 2. I’m on those Kendas I did a review on I still love them! Did some non-Moab rock crawling at 38psi without slipping so I’m definitely sold on them.
What size tire is the trailhawk running?
I should have it in the video, but if I didn’t, he was on 32s here. Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers cool thanks. the trailhawk is really under-rated!
Bro I appreciate your huzzpah but in that stock jeep one of these days you're going to get stuck on a trail and it's gonna cost you lots of money
I’ve been wheeling a stock Jeep for the last ten years on trails worse than this. This is one I use to do numerous times a season. The Rubicon is built better than my built TJ was. Thanks for watching!