The Cho Oyu Expedition Disaster
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2022
- In the Spring of 2000, a small expedition of Russians and Finns attempted to ascend Cho Oyu, one of only fourteen 8000m+ peaks in the world. This is their story.
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"Easiest of the eight thousanders to climb" has the same energy as "easiest of the bears to fight bare-handed".
Well said. There are no easy ones.
...been said time and again among the climbin crowd, "Getting to the top is half the trek. you have to consider the WHOLE trek to prevent disaster. Many err, costing them their lives, b/c they get summit fever and dont think about the bigger picture involved."
Easiest planet to get to lol
Koala. Wait, no... teddy. I could totally beat a teddy bear's ass.
Your not wrong 😂
One advantage of being a mountaineer is that you probably don't need a retirement plan.
I've been on the top of a mountain in a blizzard. Felt like a skeleton with the wind blowing straight through me and chilling my bones. The whiteout was so complete I couldn't tell which way was up or down. Only reason I didn't fall to death was I got lucky, made the decision not to second guess myself, and blindly followed a path I remember being safe.
For a moment the whiteout cleared and I could see these massive cyclones all around me, it was terrifying realizing what I was in. But I also saw a treeline and made my way to it. If I had second guessed myself and went off the wrong side of the summit I would be dead.
Got hit by a Bomb Cyclone while climbing?
Thank God you didn't die. I wonder, will you or have you attempted to climb again? There is no way I could ever attempt this, never. Just watching the videos makes me physically ill, (vertigo) and fearful.
what mountain ? give us a name.
Wimp
I never attempt ascending a mountain if it looks shady in any way. Of course, all preparations may be in vain if the mountain decides to surprise you.
And I don’t climb mountains higher than 800 meters. I have a huge respect for them. Might sound like awkward farts compared to the ones ten times higher. But you see the whole drop when you’re up there, compared to, say, Mount Everest.
Thank you, hadn't heard of this tragedy. As Michael Tracy points out in his discussion on Mallory and Irvine's 1924 attempt on Everest, most deaths on that mountain occur amongst those who push for the summit. Almost all those who turn around in adverse conditions survive to climb another day, what's true for Everest is obviously true on all extreme climbs.
@@jamisbillson4872 I believe he's the most honest contributor to that debate, as you rightly point out, anything he states which is opinion is stated as such. Facts are accompanied by sources, a rare thing in any topic. Added to that, any man who quotes from Sagan's The Demon Haunted World is not a fool. In my humble opinion. I like his sense of humour.
Michael Tracyhead here!
The press would not cover 2 climbers dying much. It's tragic for them, however unless 10+ climbers die it won't make much of a ripple. The news media likes big numbers.
@@mralekito You have to understand that Everest is the major tourist income for Nepal & they reluctantly report any deaths in the media which could affect tourism.
@@helpstopanimalabuse8153 The deaths get reported, nobody can stop that, however the news story will rarely get traction unless the number of deaths is large.
Haven't heard about this tragedy before. Thank you for telling this story in an interesting, yet respectful manner. Great work!
Cho Oyu is a beast. Climbed “Cho” in 1986….. winds and cold are always problematic. At 18,000 ft. plus and the body takes a beating. Most think the climb is less technical therefore easier climb. NO! Spend your time and money climbing more technical routes at lower altitudes. The summit high is just as satisfying! Summit fever is not worth satisfying yourself for if you die.
Well said.
Talking about "Summit High", do you know anyone that has smoked a joint on the top of an 8000m climb. I may go for this record if not already set. I want to be the highest high person on the planet.
@@TwoFingeredMamma laughing…. I actually do! Or supposedly “claim” to have carried a joint to Everest and “lit up” on summit. I don’t think that’s very smart or possible… at altitude the “high” could be DEADLY!
I was at Everest base at 21,000. The idea off smoking anything but OXYGEN makes me gag.
@@markveteto3037 Would my lighter even work with the low oxygen content 😄 Im gonna try anyway.
I think the mountaineering disasters are the most interesting. I'm glad you've been doing these, thank you.
no, no , no!! Have you heard of Mr. Ballen? Fucking underwater cave diving is by FAR my worst nightmare. I do not like deep water, and I don't like lenghty cave systems either. I could do either one, diving down where it's dark, or going into a dry cave system, but never ever, not even the easiest underwater cave!!
I shouldn't watch these while I'm tired; I just heard "A temperature of -40 degrees" and spent like a solid minute being irritated he didn't clarify if it was Farenheit or Celsius, because I couldn't tell how damn cold it was.
...And then I remembered oh yeah, -40 is the same temperature on both scales. Right. Fuck.
I haven't heard of this disaster either. Thanks for your time and work! Love your channel
Dude, just found your channel, food work! Well written, narrated and no recycled stories. 👍
I’m glad I subbed to you. I love cave and mountain horror stories the most.
Check out scary interesting and tragedy tales if you like this content.
@@johnnyyen4910 I like those channels. And for similar but different content, I like Disturbed Reality and Disturbed Horror--I think that's what they're called. Dive Talk covers a lot of cave and scuba diving stories, a lot of which are not of nice nature, and they tell you accurately about diving and what people in the stories should/shouldn't have done.
Read. Sex,lies and survey tape.
@@johnnyyen4910 haha I’m a addict when it comes to these kinda videos. I’m subbed to all the channels😂
Bro I found your channel 2 days ago and I'm here for the long run. I love it!!!!!!! I binge every video.
As a Finn I didn't even realize that there have been some other Finns but Veikko Gustafsson who have conquered an 8000 meter peak o.o Thank you for telling this story, was very interesting to know about this.
As someone who would never do this I understand the ambition but there is something eerie about all the individuals that you share in these videos.
I truly believe some part of them is wanting to die or at least fascinated with death to an unhealthy level.
I think the common pushback is "Nah they're REALLY LIVING"
If you have to be that close to death to feel alive, there a part of you that is looking for war. And war with nature is a a war you'll never win.
Better war with nature than with innocent people
Slow and steady wins the race....as they say... Another great video and I noticed you're on your way to 5k subscribers!! Congrats!!!!
I love all of your stories! I came for more!!!
I have summited Everest 2 times out of 3 & it never ceases to amaze me that people will pay $30k -$40k to voluntarily climb a mountain which will may lead them to their deaths. In 2012 i was coming down from Everest 's summit & came across a man called Steve who was LAFD Paramedic (Los Angeles Fire Department). He had collapsed in the snow & was barely conscious, shaking uncontrollably, & could not stand. I radioed base camp but Russell , our Expedition Leader & i told them the situation & asked him to send some sherpas up so we could get him down safely. I told them i refused to just let him die there in the snow. Base camp were adamant that i should leave him & warned me that if i get got into trouble up here with Steve they would refuse to send sherpas to help me. With a incredible amount of guilt i left my Oxygen tank with him & tried one more time to get him up begging him to to take some steps but he simply was too sick. I continued to descend to camp 2. I arrived in a terrible, devasted, guilt ridden state & cried like a baby for hours again just unable to comprehend why people choose to risk their lives & put themselves in danger just climb a mountain.
This was my last trip to Everest & i will never return again. There is just too many bad memories & i wonder how many people just walked over Steve's & other peoples bodies & just couldn't be bothered checking on them. I understand the "Summit Fever" going up to summit but when coming down when you have summited then there is no need to leave a dying person for dead.
There are over 100 bodies on Everest frozen in a pristine condition except the heads which is seeing to believing a terrible site. I can only warn people to think carefully before agreeing to joining a expedition. Make sure you train like it's a 30,000 feet summit not 29,029 feet. Good luck to anybody who anybody who attempts summiting it & once again make sure you train for it.
This story is so incredibly vivid and genuinely sad/disturbing. I am so sorry you experienced this and cannot imagine how that feels to live with. I hope you are as okay as you can be. That hurt to read so i just can't imagine
Sad story, except for the fact that no Steve, Steven, Stephe or any other person with a similar name died in 2012 on Everest...
@@feliperomeug Why are you confusing the issue with facts(?) 😄
Has anyone heard the term 'stolen glory'?
Just wondering...
@@feliperomeug maybe he didn't die? Could be that another team helped him down.
@@captaincreosote i think he's lying. look at his profile name, people like that tend to seek attention and attention seekers tend to lie.
also did a quick google search for LAFD personnel dying in 2012. got a lot of results back, people dying peacefully in their own homes, etc. but no mention of someone dying while climbing a mountain, which probably would have been mentioned in local news at least.
Summit fever is something I tend to forget about when reading up on these stories.
why? it's just people trying to do what they went there to do in the first place.
@@jp-sn6si No, it’s people being so careless to the point of recklessness in pursuit of reaching the top, rough summary. It’s a real problem.
@@jp-sn6si 'Summit fever,' overtakes people who want to summit so badly, they may make poor decisions. The mountain isn't going anywhere, but some invest so much in that attempt that they get blinders on. A successful climb only happens when you make it back down safe.
@@cjthebeesknees so then why do you forget about it when reading up on these stories? that was the point of my original comment.
I've never heard of this case. Thanks for the hard work
I have a friend who climbed Mt. Everest in the 90s. He got some amazing photos
Thank you for your stories and the research you do.
Awesome channel! Great content! Keep it up!
Glad you posted again
I can't even fathom -40 degrees. I think the lowest I've been in is probably -3 degrees F true temperature, not wind chill, and it was absolutely miserable. -40 with insane wind on top of it is something most people probably can't even imagine being in for a few minutes, let alone spending days in it while doing life threatening intense exercise.
It sucks. It just plain sucks. When you first get your car going you have to slap the steering wheel to drive if you forgot gloves because the wheel is so cold. Everything exposed just burns.
Aussie here; the coldest I've experienced is -5*C. Can't even imagine what -40*F with a strong wind would be like. I'll give that a big miss I think 😁
Glad i found your channel. Just subscribed.👍💯
Watching that sub count climb! love your work
Just climbing out of bed at 4:00 sm each morning is all the mountain summiting I care for with the local raccoons acting as Sherpas.
Good stuff man. Sub earned
Your videos are well made :)
Best “fall-asleep-and-have-a-nightmare” background music on these vids.
I had never heard of this tragedy. Thank you for telling this story!
Took a winter clinic in deep snow for avalanche safety and rescue stuff. We had the side of Tahoma lit like a Christmas village. Biiig snow cave etc. Anywho, the clinic got blasted with high winds. I really appreciated the guys tenacity. People bailed left and right. Me n my wife were the last two when we couldn’t hear him anymore. Seriously a good time. Will never forget. Learned a ton for free early on. U of WA students I believe. I tagged on at the end.
I did not know anything about this trajedy thanks for this video😊
Well what do you know! A Channel that doesn’t “inform” me how the subscribe button looks and works, and what to do with it.
I was confused and afraid, but after much deliberation I was able to find out, by myself, that I liked the video and needed some sort of function to enable me to get back here for future viewings. I is smrt.
Great video bro.
Nearly 10k subs,
Nice mate
Saruman always ruining mountain expeditions with this storms.
If all my plans hold together I'm going for K2 next year.
Take care mate. One out of four die there
How are your plans? Are you still going?
Yeah, are you still going? It's next year now. Season beginning...
Liked, subscribed and will be notified. Thank you.
Beautiful video
I've always felt the attraction towards high peaks. I've been at pretty high altitude myself, but ~19,000 ft is the highest I've been. The older I get, the more I feel like I should stay away from 8 thousanders. I'm still 32, and hope to climb Aconcagua one day, but I doubt I'll ever go higher than that.
Well I've only been up Snowden following the train route, a mere 'pimple' of a mountain, but walking down paths on the opposite side toward the East, as a mist swirled in & for a while, I realized exactly what the problem is when you suddenly lose confidence in where you were going - how terrifying to be in severe cold too & in a blizzard, my God, I have no idea why anybody takes such chances - that is not courage it is lunacy !
“The older I get” LOL! You’re in your peak years! But I think I know what you mean - it’s the caution and the responsibility you’ve developed and that’s stopped you risking your life or even a finger/toe you’d rather hang onto. I remember Alan Hinks stating in his book on the 8k metre mountains, that no mountain was worth a digit and a successful expedition was one you returned home from.
@@moiraatkinson Oh, yeah, I didn't mean I'm old. I'm a young person by every measure. I just meant that I'm getting older. And hopefully, a bit wiser. I have a wife, and hopefully children soon. I have a lot to live for. Eight thousanders are definitely something that I would like to experience, but the risks associated with it are no longer worth it.
Go climb Mount Chimborazo
in Equador-
the summit is “only” 20,564 feet above sea level.
It is actually the highest point above Earth’s center.
She is located just one degree south of the Equator
where Earth’s bulge is greatest.
Earth is not a perfect sphere
and is actually a bit thicker
at the Equator
due to the centrifugal force
created by the planet’s
constant rotation.
So,due to the Earth’s bulge,
the summit of Chimborazo is actually over 6,800 feet farther from the center of the Earth
than Everest’s peak.
Interestingly enough,
Chimborazo is arguably also
the smallest of
“The Biggest Mountains”
with a base at 13,123’
and a summit of 20,703’
leaving a vertical ascent of…
7,580’.
It is not a technical climb,
neither is it difficult.
A guide is officially required
by their government but the climb can me made for under $1,000 per person while sharing a guide,
as long as you have a companion.
A private climb,
just you and the guide,
is still under $1,400 USD.
You will probably spend more in gear and/or travel expenses.
Now you know where to go climb the biggest mountain that most people have never heard of…
Still,
the summit of
Mount Chimborazo IS
the closest point to the Stars...
on Earth.
I'd love to be able to climb 8000's, but I'm self aware enough to know that's a HORRIBLE idea - my lungs are naturally shitty, like I needed a rescue inhaler to survive pollen season as a kid, and I have to wear a respirator whenever there's wildfire smoke or I end up spending days coughing my lungs out. I love climbing, and I love mountains, but high altitude would kill me dead so fast.
I'm pretty comfortable just sticking to the Rockies, both for the safety and also the convenience, since they're just a few hours of driving away lmao. The most adventurous trip I've got planned at the moment is me and my sibling are going to summit Bow Peak in two years (we're waiting because our dad climbed it in '74, and we decided it'd be cool to get up there 50 years after his climb).
Most important safety rule of any extreme sport is to have an understanding of your own limits and respect them, y'know? Good on you for deciding to stay below the death zone. I hope you get up Aconcagua someday though!
Well made bro!!
I travel alot by snowmobile, or dogteam in Southwest AK. Doing any activities in negative temps ain't easy.
I've seen what people go through when they are ill prepared. Its a tragedy whenever someone loses their way and succumbs to exposure.
Thank You for the upload , too many climbers have got a jelousy about reaching to the summit
They call it "summit fever" and it can affect even the most experienced climbers and it is why a strict turn around time is vital - if you're not on the summit by your turn around time, you must come back down to save your life. However, I can imagine how tempting it must be after all those weeks of effort if the summit is, say, only another 100m of climbing away at that point.
@@Robutube1 summit fever (jelousy) about reaching to the summit
@@donaldknowles9640Mission oriented ,goal driven, 'getthereitis' etc perhaps the psyche of climbers is less grounded 😉
@@davepowell7168 Allrighty Then
Thanks for covering this story. The name Pavel is pronounced “POVV-ul”, not “pa-VELL”. It is the Russian equivalent to Paul.
Sounds nicer than Paul in my opinion
From Oklahoma. I love your content
Keep it up
Nice vid
Literally swept off the mountain
😔
🔥Nice🔥
Why don’t people just mountain climb in the summer when it’s really hot?
So many crazy decisions made by mountineers around the world.
Well done, and thanks for using your own human voice.
-40 was rough in Fairbanks can't imagine that high up.
Buen contenido, interesante, útil y de calidad.
And to think that the highest mountain in the solar system (Olympus Mons) is more than 3 times the height of Mt. Everest (~25 km/ 82.000 ft). Imagine how impossible it would be, if a mountain so high were to exist on Earth, to get to such a height without an actual rocket and space suit.
It’s fascinating because it’s like such places are litterally never meant to be reached and explored.
Flirting with death, every day. Very risky to venture forth even in perfect weather conditions. Only the most well prepared and cautious survive in this activity.
Although tragic. Dying doing what you love doing is the best way to go. Better than a bed in an old people's home or hospital.
I guess. But it's almost as if some people have a death wish.
Um, no. I'm almost 70 and look forward to man more happy years. These folks were stupid fools, throwing their lives away for thrills and vain glory. So glad I did not die young!
You reckon these two loved being lost on a frozen mountain knowing they were going to die, feeling their bodies shut down and maybe even experiencing the terror of slipping and falling?
I hate that cliche. I love flying but I don't want to die in a terrifying plane crash. I love driving my car but I don't want to die in a horrible car crash.
You can do the things you love, accomplish what you want and die peacefully surrounded by friends and family in your home. Doing "what you love " doesn't include dying while you're doing it.......
Life seems cheap to you.....
Sara
Sad tragedies.
Climbing Everest at age 50? I'm 53 and have to sit down at the top of the stairs.
😂
Because you're fat :)
What goes up must come down !
I will never understand climbing ice covered mountains where you need air tanks to survive. It makes no sense.
Keep in mind, the people who do this all suffer brain damage every time they go over 8000 meters high. Just ask yourself, how intelligent is a person who seeks a thrill knowing it will result in them becoming stupider, if they survive, and that's by no means guaranteed because they can succumb to altitude sickness at any point.
@@nobodyspecial4702 If the animals won’t live there, I’m not going where they don’t go. They seem smarter than humans, because they follow their instincts not egos.
No individual is the sole owner of what makes sense. To others the way that you live makes no sense and you're both right and both wrong. And animals do go there. In fact it's the animal that you are, not one that's built completely different.
@@andrewlawson573 If your going to pretend that the humans that go there count as animals, then admit they aren't as intelligent as the stupidest animal alive because those won't go there.
@@toscadonna lol good point about there being no animal life. I’m convinced these huge mountain ranges have a purpose in that they create the weather patterns and may well be much more than that? To see Everest now with its polluted water and climbers playing keyboards on the summit is testament of how hypocritical these people are as they all take part in the ritual beforehand and wether religious or not I just find it deeply troubling that they’ve managed to pollute the lungs of the earth imo.
I climbed that mountain back in 2005 but dont recall it was easy.
An awesome megaproject would be a borehole into a norad style interior into an 8k mt and elevator to near the top..
Speaker‘s voice ideal for curing insomnia.
no..... nooooo.... NO GOD NO!!!!! The chill voice!!!!!
Why the upside-down photo for the title card?
it got recommended!
I’ve watched this video at least 10x
I don’t think it’s possible to get a scale of these peaks from Videos. I mean you talking about sections of one mountain in terms of a Pyrenees peak🤯
When I die, I can say with 100% certainty that it won't be on a large snow covered hill. The sheer pointlessness of it is astounding.
Wow es maravilloso ❤
I can pick any of you spooky story guys and get the same story verbatim in places. So who is stealing from who?
??? They're not making these events up bruh. I can't steal your birthday from you. That's basically what you're saying. Like wtf dude?
i did not understand how foot prints could still be found on May 11 when there had been a whiteout?
Heading for the summit with bad weather coming in is a common mistake that climbers make...and die.
wow - poignant story MM - RIP mountaineers.
SPOOKY music!!!
For most of us simple people, God made those majestic diamond shards for the eyes only.
CHO OYU is the 6th highest mountain in the world not the 6th tallest. Mount Everest is the highest mountain in the world not the tallest.
So what's the tallest mountain then Poindexter? 🤓
@@mattneil1449
He was pointing out that there are a number of conflicting claims and opinions concerning….
“The Tallest,The Biggest…
and The Highest”
The summit of Mauna Kea,
one of 5 volcanoes on
the Big Island of Hawai’i,
is the top of
“The Biggest Mountain”
on Earth,
when measuring the actual island from base to summit.
Before we all begin to argue about the definitions of mountains,volcanos,
geothermal ports,islands,etc.,
let’s just look objectively at some interesting facts all around this world.
The summit of Mauna Kea,
the highest point on the Big Island,
is actually 32,696’ tall in total size when measured from the base of the island (ignoring the sea).
Yet,
Mount Everest is “only”
29,029 feet high...
when measured from sea level.
Switching to that perspective,
Mauna Kea “only” reaches
13,796 feet from sea level.
Moving on to Denali in Alaska,
the formidable beast once known as Mount McKinley…
This one is the tallest “dry” mountain in the world
if measured from base to summit.
Using that measurement,
Denali is another mountain that is taller/bigger than Mount Everest.
Denali rises about 18,000’
from her base,
which is a significantly greater vertical rise than Everest's 12,000’ rise
from her base at 17,000’.
When you get to the nearby airport for expeditions heading to Everest,
you’re already right at 10,000’.
South Base Camp is located in Nepal
at an altitude of 17,598’ and
North Base Camp is in Tibet
at 16,900’.
Therefore,
just remember that Mount Everest
is a peak in the
Himalayan Mountain Range and does not start at sea level
so the mountain itself is nowhere as big as its max elevation
would initially indicate-
that’s just the altitude of the summit.
However-
Back to absolutes.
Earth is not a perfect sphere
and is actually a bit thicker
at the Equator
due to the centrifugal force
created by the planet’s
constant rotation.
Therefore,
the highest point above Earth’s center is actually the peak
of Ecuador’s Mount Chimborazo,
located just one degree south
of the Equator
where Earth’s bulge is greatest.
The summit of Chimborazo is only 20,564 feet above sea level.
Yet,due to the Earth’s bulge,
the summit of Chimborazo is over 6,800 feet farther from the center of the Earth than Everest’s peak.
Interestingly enough,
Chimborazo is also arguably
the smallest of these
4 mountains with a base at 13,123’ and a summit of 20,703’
leaving a vertical ascent of…
7,580’.
It is not a technical climb,
neither is it difficult.
A guide is officially required
by their government but the climb can be made for under $1,000 per person while sharing a guide,
as long as you have a companion.
A private climb,
just you and the guide,
is still under $1,400 USD.
You will probably spend more in gear and/or travel expenses.
Now you know where to go climb the biggest mountain that most people have never heard of…
Still,
the summit of
Mount Chimborazo IS
the closest point to the Stars
down here…
The Highest Place on Earth.
So…
which is the biggest,tallest or highest?
It’s all about the perspective…
and the details.
Whenever and wherever
you reach for the Stars-
keep a firm grip,
handle your equipment diligently
and always be there to
back your teammates.
Climb well.
As for Cho,
it is not how tall-
it is how great the fall.
It is not actually the height itself,
it is the cold that will more likely kill you.
It is not the oxygen,
it is the lack of oxygen that is
the danger.
Any mountain can kill you
and Cho has taken her share.
Respect the mountain-
never underestimate any climb.
Agreed
@@j.griffin what about atmposphere? does it follow earth's shape? If yes, everest is still the closest point to the stars.
@@constantinosschinas4503 it doesn't matter how much atmosphere is in between the summit and space.... it's still the same distance away from the stars...
Cho Oyu go up there?
Me: No!
I guess I’m not understanding the complaints about his voice.
One does not simply tumble into Nepal.
Stumbled in to Nepal...lol!!😀😁😃😄😆😉😉😅😃😂😁😀
Summit Fever... damn.
intresting subject matter ; but monotone delivery makes it tough to get too excited about it
Easy + 8000 metres = nope
Did they died?
Unlucky 😔
😁👍👊💪
Like maybe all persons who don't have the mountaineering gene, it eludes me that ANYONE would do this...
It's sad when people die from stupidity.
Great story though
If it wasn't so monotoned it would keep my attention better
Did you try boosting the speed to 1.5? Try it I think it will be more likely to hold your attention.
@@cw4608 lol thats a good idea worth a shot!
Imagine the narrator on the dating scene
these people are crazy and then to pay thousands of dollars to do the trek, and still have the chance of dying? Wow, I'm glad I'm not that kind of an adrenaline junky!!! What drives them to do this? I don't see what the thrill is, freezing temps, ragged rocks, complete whiteouts. I guess it must be a personal thing, a personal challenge. My challenges are less stressful, and certainly less dangerous :)
First of all, high altitude mountaineers are endurance athletes (neither adrenaline junkies); ours is a "sport" requiring a lifetime of training followed by weeks of sustained effort and more often than not the summit is not reached for one reason or another. Yes, It is indeed a personal challenge (to say the least) though generally very meditative and calm. I am now 65 and climbed in the past (often solo) high altitude routes around the world including Cho Oyu (which I did not summit). Yes, some do die -- we (or most of us, at least) understand the risks and joyfully accept those risks to worship in these high altitude cathedrals close to god and above the world. So ... to each their own.
Someone that's does not climb will never understand no matter what they are told.
At the end we're told... they weren't using supplemental oxygen. I feel bad that they chose to commit suicide the way they did.
Only Cho knows where they rest
Way to go Christine
Typical Russians "if you had just done what we said everything would have been fine."
Sho O You?
I'm doing well.