Wow, kudos to those other climbers for abandoning their own ambitions and using their money and time in the mountains to mount an extremely dangerous rescue.
And they be like "the other dude would do the same thing for us, if we were in his situation now". And most likely they would be correct. That's how mountaneers are.
Successfully rescuing someone from those conditions I think is a feat to be proud of, it's a shame that there was no way they could have reached Tomas as well.
@@cmdrTremyss No they're not. 9 times out of 10 most mountaineers will walk right past another climber that's in need of aide in attempts to summit a mountain for their own ego.
@@brandonsavitski I don't think so, that may be true in the "death zone" where you can't help anyone but yourself most of the time anyway but it's sure not the case with those I've known.
As a climber (or was, I am older now) a climb is not about getting up but getting down as well. On difficult climbs the descent is ALLWAYS the most difficult.
I’m so glad Elizabeth survived. So much respect to her for leaving most of her equipment to her partner and asking the rescuers to go save him first. RIP Thomas
As Scott Fisher once said 'getting to the top is optional - getting back down is mandatory, it doesn't count if you can't make it back down, if you don't get to climb another mountain'.. It's a meaningless ZERO achievement.. You want to climb Mt Ego - that mountain has a substantial fatality rate.. You play stupid games - you win stupid prizes..
I just discovered your channel, and I currently have a serious blast binging on your videos. The background music as well as your voice tone are spot-on, and create an serious, respectful and slightly ominous atmosphere that perfectly fits the mountaineering theme. Learning about mountaineering exploits and accidents fills me with immense respect for the mountains, as well as for the pioneers who scale these terrifying summits. Well done, and thanks for these great videos! ^^
I'd love for you to cover the 1970s expedition on Nanga Parbat ending with the death of Günther Messner. I think it is a really interesting and fascinating story.
Absolute respect to the climbers who mounted that rescue in appalling conditions... and RIP Thomasz, demonstrating that addiction (like other medical conditions) does not need to define your life 🤍
Addiction is a choice. Not a medical condition. Later on it becomes many medical conditions because of the deterioration of mind and body. But addiction itself is a selfish choice of selfish people.
@@jordang7717 addiction is a medical condition, your body becomes physically dependent on a substance or drug and requires it to preform properly, if you don’t have said substance you could have a seizure or stroke or heart attack etc. it is a real medical condition, as real as depression, herniated spinal discs or a sprained ankle. Go bitch about people being “weak” elsewhere, dude died anyway
@@jordang7717 Really... so all those people who have opiate addictions because they needed painkillers to recover from slipped discs or broken vertebrae or major surgery after a car accident... are they all "selfish people"? Or people with respiratory illness who need to take steroids to breathe? Do you drink coffee religiously every morning to wake up? Addiction is a psychological _and_ physical condition, which isn't just about recreational drug use... and attitudes like yours are even _more_ harmful to people who have non-drug-related addictions. The only selfish person is the one who refuses to try to understand.
Using drugs is a choice. Addiction is the change in brain cells that happens withchronic use of alcohol or drugs and lead# to physical, psychological and social dysfunction. You do not choose this any more than the person with diabetes or asthma “chose” those disorders. Or depression for that matter.. The difference is that addiction has been loaded with all sorts of prejudice, stigma, shame and arbitrary, harmful, stupid legal sanctions. The prohibition of drugs is the result of years of work by hateful racist men. Anyway you don’t have to like people who use, sell or enjoy drugs but you can’t change neurobiology-addiction is not a manifestation of flawed character or bad decisions. It is a brain disease and it matters. That’s not me talking , that’s science!
-62º in winds, good lord. I can't even imagine that. No clothes can protect you from such thing no matter what. And all of that in one of the world's most notoriously dangerous mountains out there with a death rate of like 30% or so.
The "one of the most dangerous mountains" got me wondering so I checked, and according to statista data from 2021, Nanga Parbat is the fifth most dangerous mountain, with 400 ascents as of 2018 and a 20.8% fatality rate. Interestingly, the next step DOWN in danger from Nanga Parbat would be Mount Everest at a 14.1% fatality rate with five (!) times as many expeditions. The most dangerous mountains by fatality rate are Annapurna I (29.5%) and K2 (29.1%). EDIT: The data is somewhat misleading since it records EXPEDITIONS meaning groups making the ascent, not individual climbers. Not every fourth person who climbs the dangerous mountain necessarily dies. Apologies for the inaccuracy.
Annapurna and K2 are almost 30%? The odds of surviving russian roulette with a six shooter are almost twice as high. Of course no one ever thinks it won't end well...
Hi Shane I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
when i saw a video about these pair，Thomasz was on his 5th attempt to climb Nanga Parbat, there's already an accident that Thomasz fall from climbing glacier and hit his head and back several time but lucky he was survived. In everyway it already showed he and Elizaeth are not ready for Nanga Parbat, not only lack of experiences but also skills too, All that leads to this tragedy. The great mountaineer Reinhold Messner once said: "compare to summit, survived and come back is more important."
You might consider another episode about the deaths of Daniele Nardi and Tom Ballard on Nanga Parbat in 2019. Interestingly though tragic, Ballard's mother, Alison Hargreaves, was killed on K2 in 1995.
It is said at 9:32 that Thomasz had successfully accomplished his long time goal of reaching the summit of Nanga Parbat in the winter. Odd definition of 'success'.
You may get to top, but the mountain all ways gets its toll , rest in peace. The narrator never mentioned the health of Elizabeth and the health challenges she faces in the aftermath from her choices
What happened to her after she was rescued? When he said she took off her shoe, I immidiately thought "that won't end well." So, did something come from it?
@@conraydo She suffered severe frostbite on her hands and foot, but did not end up needing amputations. Also, when they found her, she only weighed 45 kilograms (~99 pounds) due to the ordeal. She climbed Everest and Lhotse in one go the next year
Take away the storm that suddenly came in and they most likely make it back down with very little issue. Had to be very disheartening for her when she reached what she thought was a rendezvous point for rescue personnel. Especially knowing she left critical gear she’d need to survive the night. It takes extreme fortitude to handle that type of disappointment in critical situations like this. She had to think “let me try to keep him warm, descend down through horrible conditions and maybe they can still save him!” Then only to reality she was still alone, and would most likely die during the night by trying to save his life. I’ll keep saying it, these people don’t die doing what they love, they die alone, desperate for rescue. That guy Beck, although he seems extremely bitter, and he obviously loves mountain climbing, but not enough to die on Everest. He got himself to camp 4 and he didn’t tell anyone to leave him there to die peacefully. He had them carry him to safety, so he could live, even without hands and a nose.
Isn't an Alpine approach inherently more risky though? You're travelling light and relying on speed to get up and down quickly. The minute bad weather intervenes (Nanga Parbat in January!!) you have to be very vulnerable.
Dying on a mountain has to be one of the most painful and miserable ways to perish. You’re scared and alone, suffering severe altitude sickness, ending up frost bitten and frozen to death. You’d die knowing that rescuers will probably be unable to retrieve your body and that your final resting place will be in the icy embrace of the mountain forever.
@@lisaperry5999 Fritz Wiessner and Dudley Wolfe, the book Last Man on the Mountain is about them trying to summit K2. Dudley was more of a rich bachelor used to fund the climb, he made it very high on the mountain. Fritz and his Sherpa almost summited, a superstition and lost crampon changed the. Dudley basically went insane in his tent and wouldn't leave.
Couple fine points for YOU to think about, too... 1. Climbers like any other "extreme sport enthusiasts" ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT their risks when they go. From the very first knot tying lesson and shopping spree for gear, ropes, and insulated clothing, they hear, repeat, and share the acceptance that ANY trip to a mountain can result in death, dismemberment, life-long altering injury, etc... INCLUDING being left behind on said mountain. 2. Crowd funding involves DONATIONS, so people willfully GAVE their money. Had no one donated (and hopefully they only did so responsibly) then no finances would've been available or used... 3. THE ONLY lives put at risk for rescues are CLIMBERS the same as the ones who got themselves into trouble on the mountain. You can't pay enough money for a non-climber to even get the first lessons or training for climbing on belay, let alone actually attempting a summit. There's a pervasive culture throughout the extreme sports types and communities to GET first aid training on top of all other qualifications to participate, for this exact reason. They truly live by "We take care of our own." Because nobody else is going to be convinced of such a career choice with cash... I'm not suggesting you need to show sympathy or support... BUT try a little RESPECT for who these people are and acknowledge that they're not forcing anybody to join them nor try to rescue them. If you want silly or foolish, how about all you "normies" who manage to get yourselves killed by everything from mosquitos (when DEET is clearly and cheaply available) to vending machines falling on you over your OWN temper-tantrums??? As to "Well, nothing ever comes of the sports, anyways!" I call BULLSHIT. Every year or so, better materials go into tents, jackets, and ropes. Designs and refinements make for better cramp-ons and caribiners. New levels of INSULATION are created, and older forms get renewed life as they become cheaper, more available, and more widely popularized... From the goose-down jackets, mummy-bags, and even bed spreads of yester-year, to the FANTASTIC qualities of Alpaca-wool sweaters and socks that even keep ME from freezing my ass off on a motorcycle in 20F with a whirling gale and 60+ mph, many of these wonderful things were either INVENTED, DISCOVERED, or POPULARIZED because of mountain climbers and other sporting extremists... I'd wager, whatever else you might think of them, you probably owe a fair deal of respect and even GRATITUDE for their tireless pioneering spirit and the resulting improvements of technology that even YOU have come to not only enjoy, but take for granted! Think about that. Will ya??? ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 You obviously didn't "think about" my comment. You made it a point to repeat what I wrote, & then misunderstood it even after you repeated it. You then took it even further & started going off on tangents & making illogical assumptions. There will be no further comments from me. Something is obviously not quite right with you.
@@shy604 No, you're just hell bent to bash a sport and community you know NOTHING about. I proved it, and you can't stand or defend your position... Go ahead and sulk, kiddo. Maybe LEARN a god damn thing before you SPOUT OFF OUT OF YOUR ASS next time. Thanks for reading anyway, and BYE!!! ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 being a willfully ignorant ass that ignores everything in the original comment is not convincing anyone. None of your points even go against anything it said. Sure they know the risks, they’re still risking their lives unnecessarily to save two people who did not take proper precaution. Goodness, you sound like such a pompous ass. Like incredibly pompous and very very asinine. Just like the pompous asses that climb a dangerous mountain whilst unprepared. Regardless, you’re wrong anyways. No one is risking their lives to help some skydiver or dirt bike rider. Even extreme motor sports where there is a risk by the officials, it’s a tiny fraction of the risk of something like this or all the idiots clogging up Everest and dying because they can’t handle it or are Ill prepared and have to be rescued by sherpas. Or end up getting themselves and several sherpas killed, sherpas that are incredibly poor by western standards and effectively have no other means to make a decent living. You sound like such a massively pompous ass. Even those people had to give up their goal they had been working at for many months and give up the ton of money they probably spent on their goal to save these people who were ill prepared, luckily it didn’t cost them their lives because of these idiots.
Tomasz Mackiewicz was a colorful persona who loved mountains and life. It was only later revealed that he hid the death of one of his unborn sons with his wife. He couldn't get back to his feet long after that and come to terms with the child's death. Na Khan Tegri citing the prince about his biography "... Then he pulled out a yellow box with the words" Our beloved son of Xawery ". He said: "maybe we'll meet someday, somewhere there", then wipe his teary eyes hidden behind dark glasses and a moment later leave his son's ashes on the top of the mountain "..." In the Polish climbing / mountaineering environment, he was underestimated and disrespected, but not I can judge it. He made up for his charisma and character, especially after passing such a nasty addiction.
As someone who lives with two former heroin addicts i have enormous admiration for His accomplishments. The two i know are quasi-functioning adults who now smoke crack. It's an improvement. my point is, in the end He lost His life to another kind of addiction. It's a good, more or less healthy one. i am NOT disrespecting Mountaineering! When does it become obsession that drives out all reason? From a loving old stoner if you couldn't tell !:-) 💜🙏⚡️
If Tomasz was already suffering from HAPE significantly before she left him, I doubt he lived long after. There was probably no real chance to save him. He was almost certainly already dead when Revol was rescued.
I follow your channel & one other of cave scuba divers. I'm utterly fascinated by these individuals! What ultimately drives mountain climbers, especially on a climb such as this? If I had to guess I would say personal accomplishment. Fear apparently isn't part of their make-up or vocabulary. People are the most fascinating creatures on earth! 😃
I always wondered what it takes to really do mountaineering cuz its seems to me its all luck, some people get really bad altitude sickness while others don't, what is it that sets them apart? Is it genetic or is it a strength amd endurance thing
I gather that the same person can be fine on one ascent, but then get bad altitude sickness on another ascent, even when the person isn't aware of any difference in general health. So who knows....?
Why is a badge of honour climbing in winter?. Risking your life, heartbreak of friends and family and lives of potential rescuers to inflate an ego. Sorry to be blunt but the whole “ winter climb” wow factor was and is a stupid idea.
Why formula 1 drivers wants to win ? Why couple of centuries ago people were sailing to unknown seas with crappy boats ? Why Alex Honnold climbed El Capitan without rope ? Some people are driven to do big and dangerous things. That's it. PASSION!
Could not agree with you more. It's arrogant, selfish and shameful to put rescuers lives at risk. Why is your life worth more than theirs? Rescuers should not put their lives on the line for stupidity. The rules/laws should say if you do something that stupid and get stuck, figure it out yourself.
Another comment by "Mec" has talked about K2. If I remember correctly, of these, a lot of mountains (especially since they're less commercialized) of the 8000'ers are deadlier than Everest. K2 has a history I think you may want to share as well soon.
As a climber if you are not prepared to make the very hard calls of when the triage somebody and when to save yourself you should never try to go up these mountains!!
I admire mountaineers and other adventurers. "Why tiptoe through life to arrive safely at the door of death". That said, when it becomes necessary to "crown fund" to get a helicopter, and have other people now come save you, putting their own lives at tremendous risk..... it starts to looks incredibly selfish and narcissistic.
I understand fully how challenges are more satisfying the harder they are (I've written a novel to save the world!). That said, mountaineering is such a colossal, obscene waste. Of money, of lives, of time. If I parachuted slap bang into the middle of lion country, would I expect the SAS to be at my beck and call, ready to drop in the moment I gave them a quick call? Of course, I wouldn't. People would just tell me I'm stupid. So if you're vain enough / dumb enough to want to try these challenges that can so easily go sour, do them without communication devices. Or just don't do them. Most have already been climbed by egotists of the past. They don't really prove anything novel other than how vain / stupid / rich / well-funded you are. Oh, and how selfish you are - when you consider the loved ones you risk leaving behind. That you're apparently 'fine' with.
Exactly what I was going to say. I understand these people what to accomplish something great, but if something goes wrong and you send out an SOS to rescue your ass, maybe you shouldn’t have attempted something like this. If your accomplishments could risk other peoples lives it’s not an accomplishment, it’s being selfish.
I don't know if it was completely full. But her wikipedia article said she narrowly avoided amputations from frostbite which is near miraculous given the situation.
I shouldn't say it, but... You did a some kind of double achievement. A good material about that so sad story story I was following back then. And the second one is: A tutorial of "how not to pronounce Polish names". Btw. one of the best I ever heard 😂. Feel bad about it, but it's true.
You should read the article by Naveed Abdul Bari. According to bari Thomas was heart broken when nanga parmats first winter ascent was stolen from him and he even wrote an article saying it didn't happen. Bari said that the next time he saw him he was a broken man who no longer had the will power to turn back if conditions were not right
I remember those crazy hours when Elizabeth tried to collect enough money to rent an helicopter ... I also contributed, we mountaineers are all brothers and sisters, ready to help each other in case of trouble.
The range of emotions in these videos for us mere mortals.. I get a little angry as the story plods along, and by the end I’m shattered by the sheer force of the human spirit.. Tough to look away..
Their ascension to the summit is controversial as elisabeth revol couldnt provide any details or evidence into the summit. Locally nobody believes her. Not even her rescuers
I’m curious as to why the rescue team said they’d be at X location and then proceeded to not be there on the designated time, surely if you had doubts you wouldn’t say you’re going to be there at x time?
The failed 2018 expedition to K2 was criticized by a lot of people. Perhaps, like with any popular sports team, the pressure was just so great. In the 80s, the generation of the best climbers in the world, with at least three candidates for the greatest climbers of all time, the Polish team didn't manage to successfully climb K2 in Winter. The greatest remaining feat of exploration (first winter climbs are often listed alongside first ascents so in a way there are two first climbs). Three years later K2 was successfully climbed by a Nepalese team ending that era at least unless they decide that Broad Peak Central is a separate eight-thousander. But a life was saved so it wasn't for nothing. It reminds me of the American expedition to K2 in 1953. It was a "glorious failure". A life was lost but several were saved and it was a model example of ethical behavior and team work. The group remained friends unlike the Italian team that first climbed the mountain a year later. So in regards to the Polish expedition it wasn't the worst bookend. Certainly something needed after the Broad Peak disaster from 2013 that raised questions about morality in the highest mountains.
Why is it a "disaster" when people intentionally put themselves in the most hostile, difficult, and dangerous place on Earth, a "death zone", in the most brutal time of year, and it doesn't work out? (And then have the chutzpah to ask others to risk their lives to rescue them.) It seems to me a more realistic title for this video would be "Natural Selection on Nanga Parbat". Had the pair succeeded, that is, achieved the summit AND gotten themselves back down, on their own, in one piece, the video could be titled "Miracle on Nanga Parbat".
Could not agree with you more. It's not a disaster. It's cleaning the gene pool. And rescuers lives should not be put on the line to save arrogant, selfish people with something to prove. There's nothing courageous about doing this stupid shit.
I respect those which want to take these kinds of risks, but the older I get the more I see how fragile life is. I have no desire to quicken the end of my life doing things like this 😆
@@brunolima7402 Not so sure of that. If you have listened to these extreme under water deaths / along with the mountain climbing stories; dying with fat stomach, watching TV in a hospital bed sounds pretty beautiful to me😄
@@AmericanMike815 Dying in a cozy warm hospital bed with loved ones around your bedside to be there for you when you pass seems like the way to go. Definitely better than freezing to death high up on a mountain alone wondering why I made this stupid decision to climb a mountain and now I'm going to die from it.
Wow, kudos to those other climbers for abandoning their own ambitions and using their money and time in the mountains to mount an extremely dangerous rescue.
And they be like "the other dude would do the same thing for us, if we were in his situation now". And most likely they would be correct. That's how mountaneers are.
@@cmdrTremyss Real mountaineers anyway.
Successfully rescuing someone from those conditions I think is a feat to be proud of, it's a shame that there was no way they could have reached Tomas as well.
@@cmdrTremyss No they're not. 9 times out of 10 most mountaineers will walk right past another climber that's in need of aide in attempts to summit a mountain for their own ego.
@@brandonsavitski I don't think so, that may be true in the "death zone" where you can't help anyone but yourself most of the time anyway but it's sure not the case with those I've known.
As a climber (or was, I am older now) a climb is not about getting up but getting down as well. On difficult climbs the descent is ALLWAYS the most difficult.
Did you ever die?? 🫢🫢😳
sounds like it was a draw
@@jamisbillson4872 Climber 1 for reaching the peak, Mountain 1 for not letting the climber survive his descent
I often tell people, "No one dies summiting a mountain. They all die coming back down."
@@E3ECO everest is littered with the bodies of those that never made it up and a lot of the rescues near me are going up
I’m so glad Elizabeth survived. So much respect to her for leaving most of her equipment to her partner and asking the rescuers to go save him first. RIP Thomas
As Scott Fisher once said 'getting to the top is optional - getting back down is mandatory, it doesn't count if you can't make it back down, if you don't get to climb another mountain'.. It's a meaningless ZERO achievement.. You want to climb Mt Ego - that mountain has a substantial fatality rate.. You play stupid games - you win stupid prizes..
I just discovered your channel, and I currently have a serious blast binging on your videos. The background music as well as your voice tone are spot-on, and create an serious, respectful and slightly ominous atmosphere that perfectly fits the mountaineering theme. Learning about mountaineering exploits and accidents fills me with immense respect for the mountains, as well as for the pioneers who scale these terrifying summits. Well done, and thanks for these great videos! ^^
I'd love for you to cover the 1970s expedition on Nanga Parbat ending with the death of Günther Messner. I think it is a really interesting and fascinating story.
Saw your comment and looked it up. Definitely agree with you.
Absolute respect to the climbers who mounted that rescue in appalling conditions... and RIP Thomasz, demonstrating that addiction (like other medical conditions) does not need to define your life 🤍
Addiction is a choice. Not a medical condition. Later on it becomes many medical conditions because of the deterioration of mind and body. But addiction itself is a selfish choice of selfish people.
@@jordang7717 addiction is a medical condition, your body becomes physically dependent on a substance or drug and requires it to preform properly, if you don’t have said substance you could have a seizure or stroke or heart attack etc. it is a real medical condition, as real as depression, herniated spinal discs or a sprained ankle. Go bitch about people being “weak” elsewhere, dude died anyway
@@jordang7717 Really... so all those people who have opiate addictions because they needed painkillers to recover from slipped discs or broken vertebrae or major surgery after a car accident... are they all "selfish people"? Or people with respiratory illness who need to take steroids to breathe? Do you drink coffee religiously every morning to wake up? Addiction is a psychological _and_ physical condition, which isn't just about recreational drug use... and attitudes like yours are even _more_ harmful to people who have non-drug-related addictions. The only selfish person is the one who refuses to try to understand.
Using drugs is a choice. Addiction is the change in brain cells that happens withchronic use of alcohol or drugs and lead# to physical, psychological and social dysfunction. You do not choose this any more than the person with diabetes or asthma “chose” those disorders. Or depression for that matter.. The difference is that addiction has been loaded with all sorts of prejudice, stigma, shame and arbitrary, harmful, stupid legal sanctions. The prohibition of drugs is the result of years of work by hateful racist men. Anyway you don’t have to like people who use, sell or enjoy drugs but you can’t change neurobiology-addiction is not a manifestation of flawed character or bad decisions. It is a brain disease and it matters. That’s not me talking , that’s science!
@@jordang7717 your ignorance is astounding. Ever had a severe injury requiring painkillers? Apparently not
-62º in winds, good lord. I can't even imagine that. No clothes can protect you from such thing no matter what. And all of that in one of the world's most notoriously dangerous mountains out there with a death rate of like 30% or so.
I've experienced -60 with no wind and the cold just slowly seeps into your clothes. I can't imagine it with wind chill and overnight in a snow cave.
-62º was the feeling of cold temperature, if I understood correctly, so the temp without wind was warmer. But still, inhumanely cold.
Cloths definitely CAN keep you warm at -60
Tell that to the Indian and Pakistani soldiers in Siachen. Who patrol these areas, with skis on their foot and guns in their hand
I've been in -60 degree weather. Doesn't feel any different from being in -10 degrees. Cold is cold.
The "one of the most dangerous mountains" got me wondering so I checked, and according to statista data from 2021, Nanga Parbat is the fifth most dangerous mountain, with 400 ascents as of 2018 and a 20.8% fatality rate. Interestingly, the next step DOWN in danger from Nanga Parbat would be Mount Everest at a 14.1% fatality rate with five (!) times as many expeditions. The most dangerous mountains by fatality rate are Annapurna I (29.5%) and K2 (29.1%).
EDIT: The data is somewhat misleading since it records EXPEDITIONS meaning groups making the ascent, not individual climbers. Not every fourth person who climbs the dangerous mountain necessarily dies. Apologies for the inaccuracy.
interesting, thank you
Idk K2s fatality, but its called The Savage Moutain for a reason
Annapurna and K2 are almost 30%? The odds of surviving russian roulette with a six shooter are almost twice as high. Of course no one ever thinks it won't end well...
Impressive follow-up research. Thank you.
Source? Mt Everest does not have a 14% fatality rate
As a fentanyl addict I was surprised to hear he was a heroin addict, makes me feel inspired and hopeful for my future
what about netazin
Thank you for this story and the effort you put into it.
Really like your videos mate. Its the kind of content and topics I like. Most people have no idea about these kind of accidents / events
Hi Shane I hope my comment didn't sound as a form of privacy invasion your comment tells of a wonderful woman with a beautiful heart which led me to comment I don't normally write in the comment section but I think you deserve this complement. If you don’t mind can we be friends? Thanks God bless you….🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
your videos are some of my favorite on youtube right now. thanks for your work! i love your voice too
Morbid Midnight, great job with your research on your subjects. This is why I'm subscribed to your channel.
Thanks for the great content.
Very happy to be here.
when i saw a video about these pair，Thomasz was on his 5th attempt to climb Nanga Parbat, there's already an accident that Thomasz fall from climbing glacier and hit his head and back several time but lucky he was survived. In everyway it already showed he and Elizaeth are not ready for Nanga Parbat, not only lack of experiences but also skills too, All that leads to this tragedy. The great mountaineer Reinhold Messner once said: "compare to summit, survived and come back is more important."
You might consider another episode about the deaths of Daniele Nardi and Tom Ballard on Nanga Parbat in 2019. Interestingly though tragic, Ballard's mother, Alison Hargreaves, was killed on K2 in 1995.
And the bodies of Nardi and Ballard were spotted, and photographed where they seemingly came to rest after a fall.
Imagine climbing, an mountain range during WINTER I’m sorry but you’re just asking for trouble.
I kinda have to agree. My understanding is that most people WON'T try it.
Thanks for the video.
☕
You do these so respectfully. Thank you. Rest in paradise, Tomas.
And all hail the rescuers.
It is said at 9:32 that Thomasz had successfully accomplished his long time goal of reaching the summit of Nanga Parbat in the winter. Odd definition of 'success'.
I agree. How is this successful if you lose your life?
@@zukosmom3780 youll lose it one way or another, and you prolly won't get to choose so why not try to pick something memorable?
I mean if his summit was confirmed, which it was, ge technically summited. RIP
You may get to top, but the mountain all ways gets its toll , rest in peace. The narrator never mentioned the health of Elizabeth and the health challenges she faces in the aftermath from her choices
What happened to her after she was rescued? When he said she took off her shoe, I immidiately thought "that won't end well." So, did something come from it?
@@conraydo She suffered severe frostbite on her hands and foot, but did not end up needing amputations. Also, when they found her, she only weighed 45 kilograms (~99 pounds) due to the ordeal.
She climbed Everest and Lhotse in one go the next year
@@theprogwalrus597What a beast. May she continue to prosper.
Nanga Parbat is my favorite wormhole. The winter climbers....I'm simply blown away by them.
Unbelievable levels of stubbornness and determination 👏
I just had to say that i love watching your channel and the soundtrack, Dont change a thing, pleassse.
I LOVE this channel. Glad I stick to 14ers in the lower 48.
Loving these videos man
How do we have 32k plays yet only 26k subs.......get on it people!! Another great vid!!!
Take away the storm that suddenly came in and they most likely make it back down with very little issue. Had to be very disheartening for her when she reached what she thought was a rendezvous point for rescue personnel. Especially knowing she left critical gear she’d need to survive the night. It takes extreme fortitude to handle that type of disappointment in critical situations like this. She had to think “let me try to keep him warm, descend down through horrible conditions and maybe they can still save him!” Then only to reality she was still alone, and would most likely die during the night by trying to save his life.
I’ll keep saying it, these people don’t die doing what they love, they die alone, desperate for rescue. That guy Beck, although he seems extremely bitter, and he obviously loves mountain climbing, but not enough to die on Everest. He got himself to camp 4 and he didn’t tell anyone to leave him there to die peacefully. He had them carry him to safety, so he could live, even without hands and a nose.
Isn't an Alpine approach inherently more risky though? You're travelling light and relying on speed to get up and down quickly. The minute bad weather intervenes (Nanga Parbat in January!!) you have to be very vulnerable.
Wow. That's really sad.
I'm super happy he gets to live on threw stories and videos like this.
Great video.
Really enjoy your content. Keep up the quality work
Dying on a mountain has to be one of the most painful and miserable ways to perish. You’re scared and alone, suffering severe altitude sickness, ending up frost bitten and frozen to death. You’d die knowing that rescuers will probably be unable to retrieve your body and that your final resting place will be in the icy embrace of the mountain forever.
Due to hypoxia they sometimes go mad. Read about Dudley on K2 when Fritz tried rescuing him. He refused to descend.
@@megacatsupreme466 do u have last names? Want to look up
@@lisaperry5999 Fritz Wiessner and Dudley Wolfe, the book Last Man on the Mountain is about them trying to summit K2. Dudley was more of a rich bachelor used to fund the climb, he made it very high on the mountain. Fritz and his Sherpa almost summited, a superstition and lost crampon changed the. Dudley basically went insane in his tent and wouldn't leave.
@@megacatsupreme466 Thank you I am binging on Mountaineering books.will order it
Rob Hall's death in Into Thin Air was awful to read about
Your videos get better and better my friend! 😎✌🤘🔥🔥🔥
These people are always putting others in danger to RESCUE them
Best Disaster Channel EVER \m/
I love listening to your voice. Amazing content and informative
New video! Thanks for the content!!
Tom Ballad and Daniel Nardi disappeared in 2019 on this Mt.
Tom's mum,Allison Hargreaves disappeared on K2 when he was a child.
he wasn't a total amateur so how'd he not have the common sense to bring eye protection for snowy environment?
I think I remember(read her book) she said he lost it.
Excellent content.
More mountaineering videos please.
Not only did the duo risk their own lives, but the lives & finances of others to help them. Keep this in mind before attempting anything risky.
yes it is foolish in my opinion. Many other ways to challenge yourself without risking so much
Couple fine points for YOU to think about, too...
1. Climbers like any other "extreme sport enthusiasts" ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT their risks when they go. From the very first knot tying lesson and shopping spree for gear, ropes, and insulated clothing, they hear, repeat, and share the acceptance that ANY trip to a mountain can result in death, dismemberment, life-long altering injury, etc... INCLUDING being left behind on said mountain.
2. Crowd funding involves DONATIONS, so people willfully GAVE their money. Had no one donated (and hopefully they only did so responsibly) then no finances would've been available or used...
3. THE ONLY lives put at risk for rescues are CLIMBERS the same as the ones who got themselves into trouble on the mountain. You can't pay enough money for a non-climber to even get the first lessons or training for climbing on belay, let alone actually attempting a summit. There's a pervasive culture throughout the extreme sports types and communities to GET first aid training on top of all other qualifications to participate, for this exact reason. They truly live by "We take care of our own." Because nobody else is going to be convinced of such a career choice with cash...
I'm not suggesting you need to show sympathy or support... BUT try a little RESPECT for who these people are and acknowledge that they're not forcing anybody to join them nor try to rescue them. If you want silly or foolish, how about all you "normies" who manage to get yourselves killed by everything from mosquitos (when DEET is clearly and cheaply available) to vending machines falling on you over your OWN temper-tantrums???
As to "Well, nothing ever comes of the sports, anyways!" I call BULLSHIT. Every year or so, better materials go into tents, jackets, and ropes. Designs and refinements make for better cramp-ons and caribiners. New levels of INSULATION are created, and older forms get renewed life as they become cheaper, more available, and more widely popularized...
From the goose-down jackets, mummy-bags, and even bed spreads of yester-year, to the FANTASTIC qualities of Alpaca-wool sweaters and socks that even keep ME from freezing my ass off on a motorcycle in 20F with a whirling gale and 60+ mph, many of these wonderful things were either INVENTED, DISCOVERED, or POPULARIZED because of mountain climbers and other sporting extremists...
I'd wager, whatever else you might think of them, you probably owe a fair deal of respect and even GRATITUDE for their tireless pioneering spirit and the resulting improvements of technology that even YOU have come to not only enjoy, but take for granted!
Think about that. Will ya??? ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 You obviously didn't "think about" my comment. You made it a point to repeat what I wrote, & then misunderstood it even after you repeated it. You then took it even further & started going off on tangents & making illogical assumptions. There will be no further comments from me. Something is obviously not quite right with you.
@@shy604 No, you're just hell bent to bash a sport and community you know NOTHING about. I proved it, and you can't stand or defend your position... Go ahead and sulk, kiddo.
Maybe LEARN a god damn thing before you SPOUT OFF OUT OF YOUR ASS next time.
Thanks for reading anyway, and BYE!!! ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 being a willfully ignorant ass that ignores everything in the original comment is not convincing anyone. None of your points even go against anything it said. Sure they know the risks, they’re still risking their lives unnecessarily to save two people who did not take proper precaution. Goodness, you sound like such a pompous ass. Like incredibly pompous and very very asinine. Just like the pompous asses that climb a dangerous mountain whilst unprepared. Regardless, you’re wrong anyways. No one is risking their lives to help some skydiver or dirt bike rider. Even extreme motor sports where there is a risk by the officials, it’s a tiny fraction of the risk of something like this or all the idiots clogging up Everest and dying because they can’t handle it or are Ill prepared and have to be rescued by sherpas. Or end up getting themselves and several sherpas killed, sherpas that are incredibly poor by western standards and effectively have no other means to make a decent living. You sound like such a massively pompous ass. Even those people had to give up their goal they had been working at for many months and give up the ton of money they probably spent on their goal to save these people who were ill prepared, luckily it didn’t cost them their lives because of these idiots.
I am climbing denali in 2026. if i end up on your channel, that is the most satisfactory blessing.
You wont🤘you’ll end up at home watching more of these, best of luck brother
@@isaiahbray9312 Peace be with you my brother.
Tomasz Mackiewicz was a colorful persona who loved mountains and life. It was only later revealed that he hid the death of one of his unborn sons with his wife. He couldn't get back to his feet long after that and come to terms with the child's death. Na Khan Tegri citing the prince about his biography "... Then he pulled out a yellow box with the words" Our beloved son of Xawery ". He said: "maybe we'll meet someday, somewhere there", then wipe his teary eyes hidden behind dark glasses and a moment later leave his son's ashes on the top of the mountain "..." In the Polish climbing / mountaineering environment, he was underestimated and disrespected, but not I can judge it. He made up for his charisma and character, especially after passing such a nasty addiction.
They ‘hid’ a miscarriage?
Join the club
Holy shit I was never subscribed. I watch all your videos they just pop right up when I open the app
As someone who lives with two former heroin addicts i have enormous admiration for His accomplishments. The two i know are quasi-functioning adults who now smoke crack. It's an improvement.
my point is, in the end He lost His life to another kind of addiction. It's a good, more or less healthy one. i am NOT disrespecting Mountaineering! When does it become obsession that drives out all reason? From a loving old stoner if you couldn't tell !:-)
💜🙏⚡️
If Tomasz was already suffering from HAPE significantly before she left him, I doubt he lived long after. There was probably no real chance to save him. He was almost certainly already dead when Revol was rescued.
I follow your channel & one other of cave scuba divers.
I'm utterly fascinated by these individuals!
What ultimately drives mountain climbers, especially on a climb such as this?
If I had to guess I would say personal accomplishment.
Fear apparently isn't part of their make-up or vocabulary.
People are the most fascinating creatures on earth! 😃
Fear is definitely a big part of these experiences. Getting over the fear and continuing on regardless is a huge part of what makes it rewarding
You DID IT! Thank you!
I always wondered what it takes to really do mountaineering cuz its seems to me its all luck, some people get really bad altitude sickness while others don't, what is it that sets them apart? Is it genetic or is it a strength amd endurance thing
I gather that the same person can be fine on one ascent, but then get bad altitude sickness on another ascent, even when the person isn't aware of any difference in general health. So who knows....?
Why is a badge of honour climbing in winter?. Risking your life, heartbreak of friends and family and lives of potential rescuers to inflate an ego.
Sorry to be blunt but the whole “ winter climb” wow factor was and is a stupid idea.
Why formula 1 drivers wants to win ? Why couple of centuries ago people were sailing to unknown seas with crappy boats ? Why Alex Honnold climbed El Capitan without rope ?
Some people are driven to do big and dangerous things. That's it. PASSION!
Could not agree with you more. It's arrogant, selfish and shameful to put rescuers lives at risk. Why is your life worth more than theirs? Rescuers should not put their lives on the line for stupidity. The rules/laws should say if you do something that stupid and get stuck, figure it out yourself.
It seems like that they are always coming up with something new to justify the climb. I think it’s about ego
We never Conquer a mountain, we ascend them and enjoy the view for a moment.
It's great that he went from an addict to a resilient climber but he didn't conquer the mountain, it conquered him...rip.
The narrator's voice and the music = ☑️✅
Another comment by "Mec" has talked about K2. If I remember correctly, of these, a lot of mountains (especially since they're less commercialized) of the 8000'ers are deadlier than Everest. K2 has a history I think you may want to share as well soon.
He chose the most difficult mountain at the most difficult time? What a badass!
But why is the intro frame a photo of Gashebrum 1 not Nanga Parbat?
Yo -80 degrees sounds crazy!!!
Well told Sir 😊
As a climber if you are not prepared to make the very hard calls of when the triage somebody and when to save yourself you should never try to go up these mountains!!
Watched, liked and subscribed!
I admire mountaineers and other adventurers. "Why tiptoe through life to arrive safely at the door of death". That said, when it becomes necessary to "crown fund" to get a helicopter, and have other people now come save you, putting their own lives at tremendous risk..... it starts to looks incredibly selfish and narcissistic.
Not to mention those rescuers who have to imperil themselves.
@@mbryson2899 He mentioned the danger the rescuers have to put themselves in...
I understand fully how challenges are more satisfying the harder they are (I've written a novel to save the world!). That said, mountaineering is such a colossal, obscene waste. Of money, of lives, of time. If I parachuted slap bang into the middle of lion country, would I expect the SAS to be at my beck and call, ready to drop in the moment I gave them a quick call? Of course, I wouldn't. People would just tell me I'm stupid.
So if you're vain enough / dumb enough to want to try these challenges that can so easily go sour, do them without communication devices. Or just don't do them. Most have already been climbed by egotists of the past. They don't really prove anything novel other than how vain / stupid / rich / well-funded you are. Oh, and how selfish you are - when you consider the loved ones you risk leaving behind. That you're apparently 'fine' with.
@@Neil_MALTHUS absolutely agree with your comments. Well said, Sir!👍🍺🍺🇺🇸
Exactly what I was going to say. I understand these people what to accomplish something great, but if something goes wrong and you send out an SOS to rescue your ass, maybe you shouldn’t have attempted something like this. If your accomplishments could risk other peoples lives it’s not an accomplishment, it’s being selfish.
Did Revol make a full recovery?
I don't know if it was completely full. But her wikipedia article said she narrowly avoided amputations from frostbite which is near miraculous given the situation.
These guys and gals are beyond brave for attempting to climb any mountain let alone one this tall and in winter.
Brave? More like stupid. Willingly put their lives in danger and beg people to rescue them from their stupidity putting other people's lives in peril.
I shouldn't say it, but...
You did a some kind of double achievement. A good material about that so sad story story I was following back then.
And the second one is: A tutorial of "how not to pronounce Polish names". Btw. one of the best I ever heard 😂. Feel bad about it, but it's true.
How did they expect to get down anyway? She couldn't even do it by herself without her sick companion.
More of these mountain disaster videos!
You should read the article by Naveed Abdul Bari. According to bari Thomas was heart broken when nanga parmats first winter ascent was stolen from him and he even wrote an article saying it didn't happen. Bari said that the next time he saw him he was a broken man who no longer had the will power to turn back if conditions were not right
So Tomas is still on nanga parbot? For some reason I thought they were on Anna purna , but lol I don't even know if that's the actual name
I remember those crazy hours when Elizabeth tried to collect enough money to rent an helicopter ... I also contributed, we mountaineers are all brothers and sisters, ready to help each other in case of trouble.
God bless the souls of all dead and alive people with pure heart and spirit.
Are heating pads worth taking
I'd like to see you do a story about [anything], please!
Elizabeth has lost so many climbing partners, I don't think I'd climb with her.
Drink every time he says Nanga Parbat 🤣
The range of emotions in these videos for us mere mortals.. I get a little angry as the story plods along, and by the end I’m shattered by the sheer force of the human spirit..
Tough to look away..
Thomasz brought his death upon himself and almost cost Elizabeth her life too.
Thank you, was waiting to see someone point that out! His irrational behavior is the reason his first climbing partner quit climbing with him.
Their ascension to the summit is controversial as elisabeth revol couldnt provide any details or evidence into the summit. Locally nobody believes her. Not even her rescuers
I’m curious as to why the rescue team said they’d be at X location and then proceeded to not be there on the designated time, surely if you had doubts you wouldn’t say you’re going to be there at x time?
Well at least it was worth his life. Can't say I feel the same
Why is it impossible to design clothes which will keep the cold out? There are gloves with heating why not other clothes?
What is the point of climbing mountains? I need to know…
The failed 2018 expedition to K2 was criticized by a lot of people. Perhaps, like with any popular sports team, the pressure was just so great. In the 80s, the generation of the best climbers in the world, with at least three candidates for the greatest climbers of all time, the Polish team didn't manage to successfully climb K2 in Winter. The greatest remaining feat of exploration (first winter climbs are often listed alongside first ascents so in a way there are two first climbs). Three years later K2 was successfully climbed by a Nepalese team ending that era at least unless they decide that Broad Peak Central is a separate eight-thousander. But a life was saved so it wasn't for nothing. It reminds me of the American expedition to K2 in 1953. It was a "glorious failure". A life was lost but several were saved and it was a model example of ethical behavior and team work. The group remained friends unlike the Italian team that first climbed the mountain a year later.
So in regards to the Polish expedition it wasn't the worst bookend. Certainly something needed after the Broad Peak disaster from 2013 that raised questions about morality in the highest mountains.
This story sounds similar to the rescue in the movie “Vertical Limit”, aside from the explosive goo.
That’s horrifying! Poor fella who didn’t make it….at least he went out doing what he loved.
I was fully expecting four casualties in this story.
They die doing what they love, fully knowing the risks. salute to the brave rescuers and the helicopter pilots....you tried your best.
Climbing a mountain this high in the winter seems like a horrible idea.
My brother is there right now visiting
Why is it a "disaster" when people intentionally put themselves in the most hostile, difficult, and dangerous place on Earth, a "death zone", in the most brutal time of year, and it doesn't work out? (And then have the chutzpah to ask others to risk their lives to rescue them.) It seems to me a more realistic title for this video would be "Natural Selection on Nanga Parbat". Had the pair succeeded, that is, achieved the summit AND gotten themselves back down, on their own, in one piece, the video could be titled "Miracle on Nanga Parbat".
yeah, I call it stupidity.
I have limited sympathy for people who willingly enter places with names like Killer Mountain
I could climb into an active volcano pit and die a "brave hero" to many. Same foolishness in my opinion
When did he ask others to rescue him? The other climber asked for his rescue, not him, you nimrod
Could not agree with you more. It's not a disaster. It's cleaning the gene pool. And rescuers lives should not be put on the line to save arrogant, selfish people with something to prove. There's nothing courageous about doing this stupid shit.
Why in the world would you attempt this in the winter?
Passion, drive.
Arrogance, selfishness, stupidity...
Wow,
Any mountain climber here ? Why they don't bring heated gloves/boots when it''s super cold ? O
I respect those which want to take these kinds of risks, but the older I get the more I see how fragile life is. I have no desire to quicken the end of my life doing things like this 😆
Dying in a vegetative state at a hospital bed isn't better. At least they died doing what they loved.
@@brunolima7402 Not so sure of that. If you have listened to these extreme under water deaths / along with the mountain climbing stories; dying with fat stomach, watching TV in a hospital bed sounds pretty beautiful to me😄
@@AmericanMike815 Dying in a cozy warm hospital bed with loved ones around your bedside to be there for you when you pass seems like the way to go. Definitely better than freezing to death high up on a mountain alone wondering why I made this stupid decision to climb a mountain and now I'm going to die from it.
😢
Real heroes are the guys who left their own climbing to help.
He climbed enormous moutains physically and emotionally. His life should be inspirational to all addicts out there.
In the winter? That just sounds bad
Tomas is still waiting for help
Fascinating but I can't understand what drives them. I prefer the safety of my armchair.
I wonder how these people decide this is a fun challenge