A Dark Destiny: The Story of Tom Ballard
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2023
- Tom Ballard was a mountaineer from the time he was in the womb of his mother, renowned climber Alison Hargreaves. Destined to spend his life in the mountains, he also would push his limits to try to forge a legacy separate from his mother's. This is his story.
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When the best living mountaineer says you're doing something stupid and suicidal, maybe you should reconsider your decision. There's no victory in dying on a mountain
There’s very few retired/senior citizens age mountaineers and cave divers it seems. Even the most seasoned experienced world renowned experts in the fields have died. It’s a game of numbers. Eventually you’re going to lose with no fault of their own. U swim in shark infested waters all the time your gonna get bitten eventually. That old cliche. Not a question of if, it’s a question of when. Sad
11 am Friday
Brenda
There is victory in it. If you consider 30 youtube videos about your death a victory. You won't be forgotten by the viewer tho for the 10 minutes he spends in the comments until he swaos to another dead persons story 5 mins later
@@judd0112 to you
@@judd0112 Well put
Ed Viesturs, a very successful, experienced, well-respected American mountain climber, always said "Getting to the top is optional. Getting back down is mandatory." That mantra probably helped him to stay alive and come back to his family time and time again.
Sir Edmund Hillary said something similar, after the body of George Mallory was discovered on Everest, and it suddenly looked quite possible, that Mallory had actually made it to the top in 1924, 29 years b4 Hillary and Tenzing. When asked by a reporter, Sir Edmund wisely replied, that in his opinion for an ascend to be successful u also had to make it back down alive.
Ive always said, that it doesnt have to be Mallory or Hillary, it can be both. Mallory seems very likely to have reached the summit, but paid for it by descending in the dark and falling to his death. While Hillary and Tenzing made the first successful ascend, as they lived to tell about it. I dont understand, why some ppl feel the need to disparage 1 of them in order to favor the other. U can admire Mallory for reaching the top, especially with the equipment available in 1924, but by all accounts Mallory was in a class of his own as a climber, and if any1 could do it, it was him. And at the same time, u can admire Hillary and Tenzing for making it to the top AND back down alive, proving it could be done.
Ultimately, I have come to the conclusion, that Mallory was probably a far better mountaineer, but Hillary was a far wiser person. Hillary got to grow old, watch his children and grandchildren grow up.
@@dfuher968
There’s old climbers and there’s bold….
Lol, just kidding. That’s too cliche.
I won’t do that too you.
But…I have found that some people love climbing, and others love sending.
If you love sending…you’re often disappointed.
If you love climbing…you win every time out.
@@dfuher968 I agree it can be both, but imo the mallory duo could not have crossed the second step. the discovery of his partners ice axe corroborates it. either way, legends.
It’s a tragic story. but man at some point you gotta take the hint that when your camps keep being destroyed by avalanches that it probably isn’t a good idea to climb it that year
That... OR maybe you should re-examine your surveying skills when defining "This is a good place for camp"... ;o)
@gnarth d'arkanen Avalanches hit good places too, it's not always 100% possible to avoid this. I know, it's always nicer to blame people for their misfortunes so you can delude yourself you'll always be safe...
@@annnee6818 A good way to avoid avalanches is to not climb a tall mountain in the winter
Ego is a killer.
@@annnee6818 Doesn't mean I shouldn't re-examine my surveying...
Look, when WE engage in these kinds of hazardous pass-times, we put our skills to work and the effort is to manage the entire operation as safely as reasonably possible...
Not every pilot who's ever had a crash could've done (or even should've done) a damn thing different, either...
BUT when you notice a pattern of disaster emerging, it's worth going back and examining what YOU may have contributed to the situation... You might learn something useful... You might even make pioneering gains that nobody else has thought of yet... It's EXACTLY why the FAA and NTSB (and several equivalent entities outside the U.S.) show up at aircraft disaster sites EVERY time there's a plane crash. It's why there's an investigation and multiple reports filed, parts and planes examined, and even (usually) the pilots evaluated...
Sometimes there really is NOTHING else to be done. It's just pretty damn rare in most things, here on Planet Earth. Refusing to believe you could've been mistaken or that the snow, ice, terrain, light could've caused an illusion is nothing but PURE EGO... AND in "Extreme Sports" ego gets you killed. ;o)
Unpopular opinion: when you have kids, you owe it to them to stop doing dangerous shit like this. Kids need and deserve to have their parents with them as they grow up and it is selfish to rob them of that for your own personal passions.
For sure I totally agree, I've stopped any extreme buzz it's so selfish,I get the most joy and buzz being a father to my awesome son and just being together.Hes 11 now and I've never missed a second
What kind of person climbs a mountain 6 months pregnant? That’s just sheer idiocity. She cared more about mountains than her own kids.
Completely agree. Having kids is somewhat the death of that kind of ego, but also a healthy and more inclusive expansion of the ego. If you rob your kids of a parent on that account, if someone were to ask them later on why they have no mom or dad, the answer would legitimately be - because they were selfish, and thought the risk acceptable not only to them but to me as well, only I didn’t have much of a say in it. It belongs to this point of view that there are primary and secondary needs in life. Achievement is often a secondary substitute for the primary need of being loved and committed to other people. Some people have issues with truly engaging with that kind of commitment due to whatever scars and experiences they carry with them. But it’s always a mistake to mistake secondary for primary gratification. Your commitment to a passion will, for most people, not ultimately provide what primary commitments will. The parent-child relationship is primary. A person may be in a situation where they are not forced to act on such a priority. But if they can’t make the right choice when push comes to shove - well, if they’re parents, their children would be justified in feeling betrayed or let down.
Unpopular infomation: Most families break apart, so... in many cases it's only an illusion of family...
My parents got divorced with "not so nice" history before and after that... But yeah, children deserve a functional family where they feel loved and are supported in their endeavours.
@@oliveryt7168what a peach !!!!! You should write greeting cards
To me it’s more impressive when a person turns their back on their dream to survive, than reaching the summit at any cost. If you don’t make the descent, you only made it halfway. If you turn back, you show an incredible mental strength, having overcome the strong urge to get to the top.
Yep takes guts to make that decision
These kind of deaths are not 'accidents'. They're perfectly expectable and I don't think anybody is surprised when they happen.
Careful crossing the street or being an American youth. These are fatal circumstances.
@@Longtack55 Sorry, Bro, not really sure what you're trying to say.
@David Renwick ... yeah I'll take crossing the streets or being an American youth anytime over attempting to summit eight-thousanders, but nice try
@ David Renwick.Only one group of youths in America are dangerous! And they mostly kill each other. And last time I checked there aren't entire channels dedicated to people failing off curbs dying crossing the street? Like there are of retards like these climbers. OMG can you believe the retarded people who do retarded stuff for a living died!
@@Longtack55 So you might as well douse yourself with gasoline and play with matches? Is that your point? Do you have one?
See this is what is the most distressing. People knowingly put themselves in extreme danger, which in turn causes others to put themselves in extreme danger looking for them.
So you think emergency services should evaluate actions of those requesting help, and determine if they are worthy before providing them assistance? Some people are good enough, some deserve to die because they asked for it? Will it also apply if girls are saying they need help from sexual assault? Hang on, let me as certain if you should have seen it coming when you putin that outfit…😢
Poor Tom couldn’t stop looking for his mother in the mountains. I think he knew full well he would die the way she did. He probably felt very close to her there. Plus he climbed in the womb. Who climbs in the womb?! Incredible story all around. RIP
As spiritual as Tom claimed climbing to be, you probably aren’t far off from the truth. He truly was born from the Mountain Momma.
Crazy to climb pregnant
@@semoneg2826 endangering your fetus?
Unkind and selfish, in my opinion.
But that’s just me.
She could’ve gotten plenty of exercise thru other means. She didn’t have to rush her fetus’ life.
@@mamapetillo8675 True
He climbed not at all in the wimb, his crazy and selfish mother did.
The Dads explanation of his son's passing was spot on, I thought. You can't possibly blame the other climber for the sons decision to carry on. The boy was old enough to decide on his own to turn back...
Looking at both siblings is chilling. They are the exact cross between both parents... especially his sister. It's like looking at Alison Hargreaves again 20 odd years later....but slightly younger. Always had huge respect for her achievements. Got shivers from that one.
That’s usually how it works with children. 🤷🏼♀️
Yep, that's how genetics work
Always wondered about how it was for Alison Hargreaves children after 1995. So many extreme risk takers have lost a parent when young. Kind of always walking that line between life and death. Letting fate decide it
"The Last Mountain" is a truly remarkable climbing film. Anyone who'd like to know a little more about this story should check it out
Thank you !
Haven't watched it, but I read an article about it that claims that the film basically throws Nardi under the bus, like Tom was a drone with no free will, so to speak.
what a legacy this family has. as attractive as drive is, without a healthy measure of restraint drive can easily become fanaticism. its a fine line between the 2. the daughter looks just like her trailblazing mom.
Better to be a fanatic about nature and challenging ourselves in it. Than it is to be a fan-atic of music ,enter-tain-ment, education, religion/ a fan-atic of the govs of the civy lies nations and religions.
God made nature, the devils made the civy lies nations and religions.
Yeah they are both frozen on the side of a crusty hill so nobody can throw a flower on thier grave. Really not much of a legacy, more of a cautionary tale of how not to climb mountains. It only counts if you make it home to tell the tale
@@kevinbrooks1104 Yep, "there is old climbers and there is bold climbers, but they aint no old bold climbers. ".
Some of these guys get greedy and push it too far. I think some of them just have a death wish, when they die in the mountains, its usually cuz they didn't call it quits when they knew they should.
Where there dead bodies are doesn't matter though. Their souls are gone wherever their souls are going.
Dead bodies don't know anything about flowers, and hopefully their souls are resting in peace. Their soul contains their dna and memories/ their conciousness . And we all have to face god, but only evil folks have to worry. ALL OF THE Goodhearted folks will live again in a spankin new, re-created earth.
@@kevinbrooks1104 yeah unfortunately I agree. why go through all that preparation and training and experience only to die because of a rookie mistake? The 2 bullet russian roulette analogy is super apt. it wasn't the mountain that killed him it was the gamble. The level of risk he took with the amount of training he had is not a stretch to call it suicidal.
@@aaronwalker8847 i hear you but thats a false dichotomy. better to be a balanced individual than to be any type of zealot. If safety isn't the first and last consideration its a fools errand and its vain glory. not a true love of nature.
"a new difficult route on the Eiger" - that says it all.
Lydia Bradey is a name the narrator should know of. She climbed Everest without supplemental oxygen in 1988, and while she may have had sherpa assistance, she soloed most of it culminating in claims from Rob Hall she never climbed Everest. As she had climbed it without a permit for that route she was facing a 10 year ban so she retracted her claim. When the "storm" blew over and Nepali sensitivities diminished she reasserted her claim, which has been validated thoroughly. She's a good sheila. She has made several solo, unsupported alpine-style first ascents of significant peaks. She is still guiding in Aotearoa NZ and elsewhere.
She is an amazing & inspirational speaker as well. Why would Rob have made those claims, perhaps he was just strictly by the book climber & guide, but that's just nonsensical.
Looking for the risk just for the risk itself is the best recipe for disaster.
Oh man perfect timing! 👌🏼 I’m having the worst day in a long time when I just got a notification for this video and it’s just the thing to take my mind off things for a little while. Thank you for that
I'm sorry you're having a garbage day, but I'm glad the video can help you take your mind off things for a bit at least! Best of luck!
I can't tell one from the next.
The deadliest route of Nanga Parbat. Mummery spur still remains unconquered. I have read a blog on that route by Albert F.Mummery who first attempted the route to the summit. He says, climbing this could be a suicidal mission, only the darest of the soul will make an attempt. I admire Daniele Nardi's climbing skills a lot. One of my very fav climbers/mountaineers.
you admired his skills. he's dead.
Rich people problems. Aged nearly 60 now I realise that my chance of climbing these peaks are over. But why is that?
Well working full time since aged 16, you get two weeks off for a Summer holiday which is always spent with friends and family.
No money left in the budget after paying a mortgage and raising a family to jet off to exotic countries to take part in these activities.
But I am alive aged nearly 60 and my family members will most likely enjoy a long happy life too, instead of pursuing dangerous expensive sports.
The Hargreaves weren't rich - their climbing was their profession and they had to do it to make money. They lived rich lives though and didn't end up ga-ga in nursing homes. Each to their own. But that mother and son lived interesting and exciting lives while they were alive.
@@Ack359 Fair comment. I didn't know there circumstances, but true you can choose to live a safe life like me but then again, I bet you've never heard of the famous Paul Morgan, and that is why :D
@@Ack359 Exciting lives, absolutely. Interesting? Nah! Mono-mania is boring.
@@scallopohare9431 she worked with a team on the day of her death. Also it's ok for men to risk their lives at things like boxing, racing cars etc so why is a woman risking her life so taboo? She was a mother with a passionate hobby and didn't want to die
@@Ack359 Hmm. Your reply referred to the Hargreave, plural. When you don't like my response, all of the suffen, you say I am picking on the female. Nope! And you conveniently omit the fact that she was carrying a viable fetus on the earlier ascent. So, what was she trying to do, have a late-term ab*rtion? That's certainly not a consideration for men. BTW, since you probably haven't bothered to look at my channel info, I am a woman.
When I watched the documentary of Tom's life & death, I could not believe how composed Tom's father was on hearing of his son's death.
Wealthy people don't feel things like regular people do. Their MAIN concern is MONEY.
@@trawlins396 😂
It may be that he accepted it would happen that way, years before it actually did.
They weren’t wealthy, they ran and lost a mountaineering shop@@trawlins396
The ballad of Tom Ballard...
The tallad of Bom Tallard
The image of their corpses hanging upside down together on the side of the mountain is chilling…no pun intended.
Have been waiting for you to cover this guy's story.
You did not disappoint.
Thank you
Whilst this story is sad, I can’t help but think about the absurd amount of money these people must have to do this kind of thing. Weeks and weeks just waiting. Replacing all of their gear multiple times. It really is a rich man’s pursuit isn’t it?
Yes. Same with skiing, piloting, skydiving, and other extreme sports.
no wonder his mom didnt gave a danm about him, rich ppl tend to be egotist
@@alwaysangry2232 I think she was an egotist not because of the money but because of the adventures.
@Burning Giraffe. I just wrote my own comment now about said topic & bumped into yours. I 100% agree, we are talking about ppl with different lives. Seemingly time to burn in pursuit of adventure: Weeks, months of planning > weeks, months away. Regular ppl are getting up going to work, bills, mortgage,kids etc.
*Hey if you can do it & afford it -good on you. But it really is fascinating
@@b-dogs1038 Think about how many important life issues people disregard though to chase in pursuit of their hobbies like this. Do they know the Way/Truth/Life? I don’t know.
Ego must be the leading cause of death among elite climbers.
Def
Summit fever is an extension of ego. My saying is for certain routes “when in doubt, go the fuck around.”
Particularly when you consider that they never seem to consider the perils their rescuers have to face.
It takes ego to diagnose others with it.
morbid midnight is such an addicting youtuber i swear i’ve been watching him for months on my tv
Foolish life is wasted on the youth, that summit fever is a killer. While it may be nice at the top of a mountain range , it is also very lonely. Even if someone could have helped him I fear no one will because of the self centered culture of today's climbing community. Back in 1964 on everest the whole team started back down because a person got termanal thrombosis and was in the beginning of the clotting process. Unfortunately he was also taken in a avalanche
As far as the 2 men driving one another
or competing I'm reminded of the 1996
tragedy on Mt. Everest, Scott Fisher and
Rob Hall might still be alive if they hadn't joined up. When you don't have
other people to consider and in your ear,
One tends to stick to what they feel
Comfortable with and not exceed limits.
Rob Hall would have stuck with his hard
fast 2pm turn around time. Others are ok with sitting around eating bon bons
on the summit at 5pm.
At Airborne School, the Army makes the women be chalk leaders and to jump out first, because they know most men will not refuse to jump when a girl did it before them. I was the chalk leader on every jump at Airborne School, and my friend Ulf said to me, “I was so scared that I was throwing up, but I saw you walk out of the door and knew I had to go, too.” This is probably what happened with Tom.
Are you a pilot?
@@ananasbanana No, I was a paratrooper in the Army. An Engineer officer at Fort Bragg.
All the way!
Why's it so scary to use a parachute? It's not like you're going to die. And all these men volunteered for the job. Weird.
@@Heike-- Um, people with parachutes have indeed died. Parachutes can fail and/or user error can and indeed does, cause death.
Mountaineering seems to be a very ego driven activity. I can't imagine what these people's families go through on a regular basis. The sheer amount of selfishness is unbelievable.
I agree. Ego. Grandiosity. Wasted money. Huge toll to be paid by everyone left behind. Selfish to the power of narcissism.
There’s work to done on this planet; there are risks to be taken. Mountains don’t come into it.
Makes for good CZcams videos. That’s all.
btw: Spirituality involves compassion, not crampons.
It's the kids left behind that I feel bad for. You don't have your parent growing up.... for what??
@@Loralanthalas There are degrees of risk. Don't try to excuse this as either/or.
@Dan Paulson Another commenter trying to point out the obvious in aid of excusing selfishness. It's not either no risk or extreme risk. There are degrees. You are also ignoring the damage they may do to the mountains they claim to love, as with all the litter, including dead bodies on Everest.
@Dan Paulson Har, har, NOT! I have traveled, been in a few scrapes, nearly murdered a couple of times. Got my orders to Korea right after the axe murders at the DMZ. Lots went on that never made news in the States. I don't have to go looking for trouble. And I don't have to show off to strangers.
Loving this videos, I watched the documentary and was struck by sadness and and curiosity.
To be taken out by something like an avalanche seems to be 'acceptable', and I can see a mountaineer seeing this a a 'happy' end of their life...BUT hanging there dying from exposure because of a roping malfunction seems a scary and unacceptable death.
Actually, an avalanche death only seems acceptable because you don’t find the mangled and broken bodies, or think about their slow agonizing and unbearably painful and terrifying deaths as they realize they will slowly freeze or suffocate to DEATH, crumpled in unimaginably twisted positions. Yeah, that seems ‘acceptable ‘. Sure
Gettin it in early! Love this ish yo!! Keep up the great work my friend!
Love your voice! Thanks for this one - feels like I'm there.
it's always the best climbers/adventurers that perform on an elite level solo, a level only meant for them...as soon as they are paired with somebody not on their level then tragedy comes.
I don’t get why people want to walk for months up a freezing cold steep hill… I guess I’m just a bit more of a tropical man 🏝️
With his mother, risking her and her child’s life while she was pregnant to do something as unnecessary as climbing a mountain, instead of taking care of the child inside of you… it’s absolutely no wonder he grew up to have the personality he did.
Money was a factor.
What kind of personality did he develop as an adult?
Mustn't be unnecessary then!
You should know here in Denmark many women even bike while pregnant. Stop judging a dead person. Either say good or say nothing. Get some class.
@@goldsteinistcycling is hardly in the same risk category as climbing the Eiger!
I’m glad that people can decide what a “life well lived” means for themselves. I guess at the end of the day it’s up to an individual to decide whether or not they are satisfied.
I like your content. Thanks for uploading.
Sad story, i just can’t help but think what led to them fixing their ropes? I suppose they were in a descent after reaching their goals and got stuck with their ropes?🤔 why didn’t they abandon the climb temporarily after being given multiple of warnings with avalanches? The other 2 guys who left we’re thinking rationally and wanted to live to climb another day.
Beautifully narrated!
Sooooo close to 40k!! We'll get there this video or next homie!!!!
The blame game practiced by Tom's sister and fiance accomplishes nothing. In any risky situation such as mountain climbing you are responsible for yourself. His Dad got it right. A life well lived.
Let’s cut them some slack, they are grieving and that tends to bring out the worst in people when it comes to this sort of thing.
I can't imagine being as rotten as those two broads... disgusting.
@@KB-jz1nq But they're the people who ENCOURAGED HIS CLIMBING FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE. No slack for idiot women who blame everybody else.
Thanks for the story.👍
Ben Stein must have picked this narrator for his passion and enthusiasm.
It seems like a curse, being born with a legacy like that to live up to. Climbing has such a strong pull on people, it must have completely dominated the self image of a six year old child. If you spend that much time exposed to risks that are out of your control, it's just a matter of time. People who specialize in extreme danger, and especially confronting objective risks that are out of their control, are best avoided as climbing partners.
That poor man losing his wife and his son in the same way 😢
She wanted to escape her abusive husband.
That "poor man" encouraged his son to climb dangerous mountains... it's not sad at all. It's reality.
@@sunithaacharya4340 Then why didn't she divorce him? She sounds really really stupid.
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@@peteardGreatestRacist and thank you! I'll clarify and say I'm a nurse and fortunately not the patient
@@Shann381 Then look at that you feel better already.
Summit fever mixed with Folie a Deux is tragic
More like egoism
Seems like he was obsessed with his mother’s legacy and climbing that mountain. At least he got to do what he wanted to do.
Prayers for the family 💕🙏💕
I’ve never done anything close to this level, but I have been on some pretty grueling hikes in the frozen, barren foothills, that surround mountain terrain, with my boyfriend, and it’s the only time I’ve ever been exhausted AND bored out of my mind at the same time.
I love camping, and I love wildlife, but once you get up to a high enough altitude where all you ever see are rocks, snow, and the occasional marmot… i just start to feel like I really don’t belong there.
I've always felt that camping was regression and if forced to do it you would swear you were being punished.
Ya, same. I did mount Whitney here in California about 10 years ago.
Spent about 15 min at the summit then back to base camp. Reached camp about 2 pm. 1/2 the group, including myself decided to just get off the mountain. I didn’t want to spend another night on a hard rocky ground, I was ready for a nice Carls Jr cheeseburger!
We hiked down the mountain, got the burger and drive 5 hours back to San Diego. I was in my bed that night. Felt kinda sorry for the rest of the group still on the mountain but it was their choice.
After that I was done with the need to camp or hike any big mountains!
I'm telling you, these people who have a partner/kid, they don't appreciate them AT ALL and do not deserve them. Going up to die on a mountain when you have a family is one of the most selfish things a individual could ever do.
The narrator's pronunciation of the names of the mountains is truly entertaining.
Damn dude. His dad is a very wise man.
well, had he brought up his kids NOT to be mountaineers, they could have done something imaginative, creative and worthwhile you know?
Seems like he understood his son. His comment on the disaster was the most reasonable IMO
@@MrVorpalsword At least the dad didn't stoop to blaming his climbing partner, when it would be very tempting to do so, so I'll give him that.
*snuggles into my bed deeper
A new Morbid Midnight video always makes my day :)
“Ambition feeds on itself. Sometimes all you can do is let it go.”
Doug Scott
Your channel is amazing. Keep up the great work!
The mountain gave them several warnings. Why on earth did they not listen? It is too bad they did not make their egos take a back seat to commonsense. That said, I guess the mindset of such risky adventurerers is to not listen to commonsense or any other wise advice. Sad indeed because it eventually ends up costing them their lives needlessly.
manyTHNX!⚡
I’m a Uncle & love every waking moment of it. 22:11pm. 12/03/‘23, Seamus from Ireland,
Awesome video 👍
Why is his sister blaming daniele? Tom was an ace mountaineer. He knew better. Didn't he?
Agreed!
Great video
That is one deep story. Mother and son claimed by the Himalayas 24 years apart……
Mom holding baby right on the edge of a cliff, wtf 🤯
Good one!
The music makes it eerie. Like they are under a dark spell. Drawn to their deaths.
Small kids who need their parents but who instead climb in dangerous mountains and die. 😳🤔
In my opinion, these people have a pure unadulterated death wish.
Sweet! Just looked to see if you dropped a new vid.
I think mountaineering while having children is never a good thing. It's all ego and the children will never benefit, just lose either gradually or all at once. It's like storm chasing. Sure they are respectable pursuits but you have to go all in , which if you have children entails themselves getting drawn in without any autonomy or choice.
Pick one, family or fantasy. You can't have both, least not for long.
It will go wrong, nobody is exempt from the taxing toll of pursuit of pointless glory, why leave behind a bill all left behind will be burdened by.
Cool story. RIP
13:43 Even if warm enough, suspension in a harness soon kills by impairing blood circulation.
Finally, someone who pronounces Dolomites correctly.
Yeah but not the guy’s name..Daniele(male name)he continued pronouncing Daniela which is a female name!😅
@@debbiemurphy2512 I thought it was just me. LoL
It is sad to hear of people losing their life on these climbs. I still can't understand the drive that makes them want to do it. I think about being cold all the time. And I wonder how do they go to the bathroom. Some are tied off with others. What do you do if you need to pee.
You leave your dignity at the bottom of the mountain, I would think.
As I understand it, in general, in the tent at night they use pee bottles (there's unisex versions, so not only used by men), which they empty in the morning. Pooping should be done in a Travel toilet bag, which should be taken down to Base camp for proper removal, but some probably still just dig a hole in the snow to do their business. For peeing or pooping at daytime, I presume that when possible, most take a few steps away, and/or tries to turn their back towards the other climbers, at best maybe they have the opportunity to go behind a rock/snow pile.
The least amount of dignity available is presumable for those climbing up/down a mountain wall. Wasn't it someone like Bear Grylls who have said something about once having sudden acute diarrhoea, shouting to a camera man below to watch out, and just hoping that he got out of the way?
Thank you. I think my dignity would be so embarrassed I'd stay behind the rock or stay still with my head down. It's funny because I wouldn't think anything about turning my back for someone to have that little bit of privacy. I don't believe climbing a mountain is something I would be interested in. I believe God makes our bodies to handle pain that is severe and strength to do something we wouldn't know we could do. The will to live is very strong in each of us and sometimes we find someone we didn't know we were. My heart goes out to the ones that don't make it and their families. I think I like watching things like this because of the strength in the people.
is something I would wi
His dad looks like Robin Williams a bit
Mountain climbing the definition of in life there is risk, necessary risk and then there's unnecessary risk.
Then theres indoor diving in Chernobyl with a fishbowl as a dive helmet while you rely on your homies to feed you oxygen with a bicycle pump and a hardware store tube (seriously theres a video on YT of guys doing that)
They took the unnecessary one.
From the narration I don’t understand…the bodies were rescued from their hanging positions only to left forever on the side of the mountain?
I don't think they could get to the bodies, so they are still there. I reckon!
I don’t want to overwork you, but if I can have a video for my 9:30 break and my noon lunch break tomorrow, that would be great!!!!
According to this narrative he was not seeking his mother but actually competing with her. It was not so ethereal as much as he wanted to cement his reputation to gain fame and money as he himself admitted. The kind of drive he had (coupled with altitude) can lead to catastrophe. This sport is so unforgiving and that is what many climbers love the most. I could not voluntarily do this but for those who do it it is in their innate being to climb and that is all there is to it. I feel like Tom could have been a real leader if he had lived longer. I mean in anything he would have tried he would be a success. I know his father and sister have both suffered and are suffering still.
Thank you for pronouncing Derbyshire correctly! Some Americans I’ve heard say it “Derby-shy-uh”! When it isn’t said like the “Shire” in Lord of the Rings! This is damn sad. His mum gone, then Tom….damn. And poor Danille….however…..you can only push it so far. They pushed it over the edge.
a little off topic, these extreme adventurers always seem to be scaling this , attempting that constantly. This obviously requires a great deal of time,money etc. Do they ever work?, there doesn’t seem to be time to work,how do they fund this seemingly non stop quest?. We are talking flights,gear,accommodation, the list goes on etc.
Fascinating
Quite a story
The more climbers push themselves to achieve greater feats the probability of something going wrong also increases; climbers are very aware of this. I don't believe they would want any one to feel sorry for them, but I do feel sorry for their loved ones that are left behind. Rest in peace.
again, selfish is the word that comes to mind. Not only putting their loved ones in anxiety and potentially losing them, but also risking the lives of search and rescue volunteers, who have to brave the dangers in order to find them
They never asked anyone to attempt a rescue or expected one. Toms dad confirmed that Tom would have been appalled that a rescue was attempted, because “If you can’t get yourself off a mountain then you don’t deserve to come off”
A live well lived! ❤
If you do not complete the climb, it is not a success. I don't mean Tom and Daniele. They mentioned two "successful" climbs before Tom and Daniele tried. At least one of which the people died. That's not a success. That would be like saying a plane had a successfully flight when half way through it crashed and everyone met a fiery death.
Watching all these, I have less and less sympathy. Nature will shake us off like fleas, at her leisure.
They thought to cover themselves with glory, but gained only a death shroud.
Mountaineering at this level almost seems like a death cult. I guess people have to find some way to fill the spiritual void of modernity. Some try sex, drugs or art; others pursue mountaineering. These are not spiritually healthy people, imo.
There are adrenaline junkies everywhere seeking to feel the void in their life
Truly settled people aren’t ever bored and don’t need to resort to extremes
Amen.
I agree. I grew up around Snowbird UT (Dick Bass!) where mountain climbing has a big impact on the culture there. Tons of climbing in Utah. And not to mention other high risk sports. I climb myself, and I don't know, maybe it's because I never climbed at the level these guys have but I want to live to climb again tomorrow. I also think there is some weird brain chemistry going on. I think being in such a prolonged hypoxic state is the equivalent of doing hard drugs. Sort of like Nitrogen Narcosis that scuba divers experience. Decision making is affected incredibly. People hallucinate. Maybe it's a part of summit fever. I really think someone would study it more.
I think they’re more ‘physically’ spiritual, going through hellish climbs to literally reach closer to heaven.
And all religions have some aspect of death-cultism and ‘re-birth’ stories.
@@ikaros4203 Or they use spiritualism as a hoax or in a misguided attempt to justify their egoistic pursuits
I will never understand the selfishness of mountaineers that insist on pursuing extremely dangerous new records without any consideration for their children that are left without a parent if they succumb to an accident while climbing..by all means pursue your passion and fulfill your dreams.. until you have children, then they have to become your top priority.
I do agree I never understand and how u get married and have kids and always have a death wish and odds are u will die on a mountain if u climb enough not sad just selfish and irresponsible when you have a family
Its not selfish. Its what some people need to be happy and keep them going in life. For some kids become that driving force, but its not like that for everyone. If she had stayed home she would be extremely bitter and have taken it out on them. Besides, would you post that comment about their father if he had been the bigger acheiver of the two? Likely not. Alison was a truly exceptional climber. She knew it, and was determined to do it to the best of her ability.
@@xxyes8879 I don’t care what gender the person is, once you become a parent your children and their wellbeing both mentally and physically should take precedence over any dangerous hobbies or ambitions that the parent wants to pursue..and if putting your interests above that of your kids is going to make you angry and resentful then you shouldn’t have had any, it’s not like you are obliged to have children, it’s a choice.
And the fact that you don’t see it that way makes me hope you don’t have any because you would make an awful parent.
Incidentally I never had any desire to have children and it’s the best decision I ever made.
@@xxyes8879 it is extremely selfish. She shouldn’t have had children if she wanted to climb
Risk vs Reward calculation should definitely recalibrate once you have a dependent. To remain as reckless as you were before having a kid is definitely selfish.
Allison needed to support her family. She did not marry well. However, not being the brightest bulb in the tree, got herself killed. Then another dim bulb, her son, followed in her footsteps getting sucked in by a slick climber who needed a buddy, dumb enough to take on his dream. Sad sad family. Have no clue if they are resting in peace or not. I’d think not!
Just look at this kid, he’s not a happy camper. Norma bright one. And Mr. Slick, got what he wanted! A young inexperienced pup to follow His dream! Bad bad judgment, no parental guidance. So off the side of a mountain we go to be with Mommy!
Fun fact; his Uncle sold holiday insurance
Curiouser and curiouser
The casual carelessness displayed by these kinds of climbers pretty much ensures that sympathy will be in short supply when, inevitably, everything goes to shit. These guys should sign wavers stating that there will be no expectation of emergency rescues at high altitude or body retrieval after they die. At least then more people, usually Sherpas, won't die along with them.
I have never seen such a gifted solo climber with such elegance, strength and weightless ease to his technique. I do belive Danielas obsession for the route somehow made him "snap". Writing this is based on his lofty statements about how he was 'being lead by the energies', that the energies was what it was all about. I wouldn't even climb a ladder with a person expressing something like that. When digging out the the third camp, it turned out to be equipped with one sleeping bag only and no outdoor mattress. Very odd. I can't help feeling there is something deeply disturbing about the accident, which far beyond exceeds the calculated risk for any climber.
if the Best mountaineers in History say, this is not a root this is suicide
the reason nobody ever finishes this root, is sometimes you have to listen, or you are dead
the legacy are you dead in the mountains because of ignorance
There is a saying in flying. There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but few old bold pilots. Many young mountaineers just are not experienced to know their limits, or make adequate risk assessments.
The kid had that 'off' look as a child. Not all sparkplugs firing
I remember seeing the video of Alison...... and her children?
.....it's like a path to a flame......