A Computer Cheater Crushed My Moller Attack

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  • čas přidán 12. 06. 2020
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    In this video, I play a game against OliPro (1500?) in the Classical Shield Arena on lichess.org. The opening features a sharp line of the Italian Game (or Giucco Piano) known as the Moller Attack. About halfway through the game, it became evident that my opponent was playing in an eerily similar fashion to Stockfish. I generally don't like to draw attention to engine users, but the game was interesting and hopefully still has some instructive value.
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  • @furratbahadori9103
    @furratbahadori9103 Před 4 lety +3352

    „We‘ll see if my opponent knows theory.“
    yeah, like of every recorded chess game ever played

    • @treejay818
      @treejay818 Před 3 lety +14

      conspiracy theorists

    • @CGoldthorpe
      @CGoldthorpe Před 3 lety +69

      Even with masters, after 15 moves or so they are on their own. Maybe someone will be able to do a study if your first 15 moves were perfect every time, and then you took over yourself, how much would that add to your rating - I say less than 200 rating points once you are at least 1699. another thought experiment If a GM and a 1200 alternated moves against an 1800 player, without any chance to communicate during the game, what would the effective rating of the team be? (I suspect almost exactly the same as the weaker player)

    • @mareksicinski3726
      @mareksicinski3726 Před 3 lety +6

      @@CGoldthorpe after up to 30 moves man

    • @mareksicinski3726
      @mareksicinski3726 Před 3 lety +25

      @@CGoldthorpe there is also endgame theory not just opening theory

    • @CGoldthorpe
      @CGoldthorpe Před 3 lety

      I meant to say +0.43 instead of +0.37 (NOT 9.43)

  • @byugoi
    @byugoi Před 3 lety +970

    "Let's see if my opponent knows theory"
    Stockfish: I AM the theory.

  • @darktechno8321
    @darktechno8321 Před 3 lety +1189

    He didn't cheat. He just fell of the stairs and hit the back of his head while being struck by a lightning, thus becoming a genius for 20 minutes.

    • @raul12300
      @raul12300 Před 3 lety +25

      and also at the same time a kobra bit him and now he is kung fury

    • @repp181
      @repp181 Před 3 lety +4

      how did your comment got so many likes... it's so overrated

    • @darktechno8321
      @darktechno8321 Před 3 lety +17

      @@repp181 There is no reason to be jealous (or anything like that) of some likes on some random comment. Likes don't gain you anything except for a feedback whether people liked it. So the point of comments like this is to make people smile or even laught. If that worked for a lot of people that's a good thing.

    • @repp181
      @repp181 Před 3 lety +5

      @@darktechno8321 you have put to much energy on that reply. And it's not even good, like your previous comment.

    • @kreftl
      @kreftl Před 3 lety +3

      @@repp181 LOL

  • @arctic3od450
    @arctic3od450 Před 4 lety +3034

    "Let's see if my opponent knows theory."
    Well yes, but actually no.

    • @guitarfreak80ftw
      @guitarfreak80ftw Před 4 lety +11

      😂😂😂

    • @shinjinator100
      @shinjinator100 Před 4 lety +19

      Dont you mean, well no but actually yes?

    • @guitarfreak80ftw
      @guitarfreak80ftw Před 4 lety +93

      Artina nope. He means exactly what he said:
      “Well yes (he does know theory as evidenced by his chess moves), but actually no (the theory isn’t a product of his knowledge but a product of an engine)

    • @killuazoldyck_
      @killuazoldyck_ Před 4 lety +40

      Yesn’t

    • @gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683
      @gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683 Před 3 lety +3

      @demon shadow you said the same thing with different words

  • @futurefox128
    @futurefox128 Před 3 lety +462

    Opponent: lookes up at the ceiling to magically see the pieces like Beth Harmon
    Also opponent: has a projector pointing at the ceiling running stockfish

    • @LeoLukasievicz
      @LeoLukasievicz Před 3 lety +1

      LMAO

    • @SorchaSublime
      @SorchaSublime Před 3 lety +6

      me not yet into chess: "haha thats so silly"
      me watching magnus carlsen play for the first time: "oh"

    • @joshbowling5032
      @joshbowling5032 Před 3 lety

      @@SorchaSublime magnus has a bunch of videos of him beating cheaters he doesn’t even directly accuse them just makes a joke and flags em

    • @SorchaSublime
      @SorchaSublime Před 3 lety +1

      @@joshbowling5032 no i meant the beth harmon staring at the ceiling thing.

    • @itsdifficulttocreateaperfe9850
      @itsdifficulttocreateaperfe9850 Před 2 lety +2

      @@joshbowling5032 it's impossible to flag a cheater in a 10 minute game tho. Stockfish would eat your soul in 60-70 moves in the best case scenario, so cheater would need to make a move only every 10 seconds

  • @FareSkwareGamesFSG
    @FareSkwareGamesFSG Před 3 lety +1546

    I love how he doesnt say the word cheater until the guy gets banned by lichess. I can tell he values humility and is conscious not to accuse too quickly.

    • @jonsirulesx9929
      @jonsirulesx9929 Před 3 lety +22

      Also, there might be legal consequences of calling someone a cheater if it isn't proved.

    • @critical2apps
      @critical2apps Před 3 lety +277

      @@jonsirulesx9929 nah not against some random guy on the internet

    • @sp1r1tm0lecule
      @sp1r1tm0lecule Před 3 lety +37

      You can tell he's a solid dude

    • @jacencade4019
      @jacencade4019 Před 3 lety +86

      @@jonsirulesx9929 legal nah. Not in a random online match.
      An official match it could be considered slander though.

    • @TheYongary
      @TheYongary Před 3 lety +18

      @@jonsirulesx9929 The Cyber Police will be informed.

  • @haroldfinch582
    @haroldfinch582 Před 4 lety +2850

    Eric: “Some Possibility of Black Blundering” GM Stockfish: “Am i some sort of joke to you?”

    • @diabl2master
      @diabl2master Před 4 lety +245

      Eric: "Let's see if my opponent knows theory"
      GM Stockfish: "Yes"

    • @groverclinton1081
      @groverclinton1081 Před 4 lety +69

      @@diabl2master Technically, it could be a "no" as well. Without opening book and endgame tables, GM Stockfish can claim to know no theory, and yet crush any human being.

    • @haroldfinch582
      @haroldfinch582 Před 4 lety +8

      Dexter Baum what is it then? We ourselves have defined the titles and what ratings fall into each title the highest being GM. So if it were to have a standard title it would be GM. It might be vastly better but so is Magnus in comparison to other lower rates GMs.

    • @groverclinton1081
      @groverclinton1081 Před 4 lety +18

      @@haroldfinch582 Thing is, Stockfish can crush Magnus or any other human being, and that disparity is only going to grow in future, because computing power keeps growing, but the human brain doesn't - at least not as fast. Since Stockfish can always beat any human, you'd need a new title for him/her. Super GM doesn't cut it either - we've bestowed that (unofficially) on a few humans.

    • @dunnokki
      @dunnokki Před 4 lety +9

      @@haroldfinch582 "god"

  • @aelere7702
    @aelere7702 Před 3 lety +753

    Lichess probably saw Eric resign and said "wait what? let's check that game out"

    • @LeoLukasievicz
      @LeoLukasievicz Před 3 lety +33

      @Cat Everything with 1500? on classical and 1200 on rapid lol

    • @FoxtrotGolfLima
      @FoxtrotGolfLima Před 3 lety +26

      it’s the rating difference combined with the result that gives it away hard

    • @hvdveer
      @hvdveer Před 3 lety +23

      I do wonder how Lichess figures out that it's a cheater. I do think that taking 5 seconds for making the only legal move is a strong hint of something fishy. And of course such a strong player losing to a beginner.

    • @hvdveer
      @hvdveer Před 3 lety +7

      @fasha77 yeah you can't exactly conclude without question that someone is a cheater based on rating difference and slow moves. They must have something else.

    • @rathelmmc3194
      @rathelmmc3194 Před 3 lety +4

      @@hvdveer, nobody plays a complicated game like that and only has a 10 centipawn loss.

  • @llinoscarpe
    @llinoscarpe Před 4 lety +3802

    I enjoy the vs cheater content, it's quite interesting watching a Master player’s normally foolproof plans and ideas just being crushed

    • @marcojimenez2725
      @marcojimenez2725 Před 4 lety +194

      Those cheaters are annoying people

    • @alienwarex51i3
      @alienwarex51i3 Před 4 lety +28

      What does your sentence mean?

    • @mothhunter2337
      @mothhunter2337 Před 4 lety +81

      Marco Jiménez they are still less annoying than Penguinz0 shitting on ben finegolds career

    • @fastpace101
      @fastpace101 Před 4 lety +92

      @@mothhunter2337 only relevant penguin in chess is Andrew Tang

    • @napppstar0
      @napppstar0 Před 4 lety +24

      @@alienwarex51i3 guess he's saying it's cathartic in a way to see someone so good become undone, even if it is by a computer. It's very ego satisfying

  • @polakarnegolis
    @polakarnegolis Před 4 lety +1478

    Ben Finegold: I mean, obviously he's cheating, that's just funny...
    Eric Rosen: I feel like most of my opponent's moves were... were pretty flawless...

    • @oliviapg
      @oliviapg Před 4 lety +332

      My favorite cheater response was Jerry (ChessNetwork) saying "Wow, this guy plays like a machine"

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 Před 4 lety +6

      GoldenGaming12621 link?

    • @briangerra5236
      @briangerra5236 Před 4 lety +5

      @@oliviapg Which video was that?

    • @BongelaMnguni
      @BongelaMnguni Před 4 lety +3

      Can you share a video of finegold playing a cheater?

    • @polakarnegolis
      @polakarnegolis Před 4 lety +3

      @@BongelaMnguni His Twitch got taken down so for now the video is gone. I'll link you the clip when his account gets back.

  • @Ayush-qz8ns
    @Ayush-qz8ns Před 3 lety +186

    Eric: My opponent is playing well
    Stockfish: Thanks!

  • @NimW
    @NimW Před 3 lety +161

    I love how Eric never directly says that he suspects/knows it's a cheater. during the game.

  • @Goreblender
    @Goreblender Před 4 lety +92

    the next step for lichess should be a program that detects computer cheaters in real time and gives you a claim victory button, but instead of just a "you were cheating, you're banned" screen it makes them play out the rest of the game against alpha zero before banning them

    • @dooflydetailguuy4349
      @dooflydetailguuy4349 Před 3 lety +4

      I love this idea lol

    • @Jartran72
      @Jartran72 Před 3 lety +6

      Alpha zero is not an engine, it is a super computer from google. Even older stockfish versions were already capable of beating AZ, but ofcourse it only had 4 hours to practice. Without the hardware google uses alpha software would be pretty useless. Leela chess zero is already much better than alpha zero was but modern stockfish beats it consistantly most of the time. And even the best moves one could imagine could not win vs stockfish in an already winning position. Some faulty logic here.

    • @a2zk432
      @a2zk432 Před 3 lety +1

      They often detect cheats in real-time though... Midway through one game recently (playing black) a message flashed on my screen, reading "cheat detected black wins" the game terminated immediately and I was given the points as though I'd won.

    • @ianmoore5502
      @ianmoore5502 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Jartran72 i wonder what stock fish on those systems would be capable of. In, say, 1 game calculating a move per week. Using computers THAT powerful.

    • @canda2k615
      @canda2k615 Před 2 lety +1

      @@a2zk432 it only happens when player uses the lichess analysis board to cheat, which is obviously detected immediately

  • @user-dg4qz2zy4d
    @user-dg4qz2zy4d Před 4 lety +325

    "H5 played so quickly" yeah stockfish thinks pretty fast bro 😂

    • @2019inuyasha
      @2019inuyasha Před 4 lety +8

      I do think h5 there seemed obvious. however I don't think any 1200 level players would agree here...LOL

    • @brochie
      @brochie Před 3 lety +15

      Bryan Black it's crazy. i've always known how to play chess but just started actually learning the game so i'm VERY bad and it's a lot easier to see moves when i'm not actually playing

    • @laytonjr6601
      @laytonjr6601 Před 3 lety +6

      @@2019inuyasha From other commenters, h5 is obvious to low ranked players but experienced players can see that it weakens your king. Stockfish don't care because he has all the calculations to protect the king anyway

    • @knightofchess6900
      @knightofchess6900 Před 3 lety

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @henryh.448
    @henryh.448 Před 3 lety +79

    @13:45 "Black taking time here, yeah what to do." Nailed it.

    • @videostar75
      @videostar75 Před 3 lety +2

      It could be a sarcastic "what to do?" as in, what move should black make, which is obvious. But I think he means what should he do: resign and report immediately or play on

  • @Sarah-no7lv
    @Sarah-no7lv Před 3 lety +93

    It’s actually really disheartening scrolling through the classical shield winner history and seeing how many accounts are now closed due to cheating

  • @TheKrazyLobster
    @TheKrazyLobster Před 4 lety +424

    3:23 - Opponent offers a draw. It means he saw who you were and got scared LMAO

    • @dantehowlstice3052
      @dantehowlstice3052 Před 3 lety +130

      @@tgwalrus yeah I dunno why he wouldn't just take a loss vs a streamer lol, but cheaters use engines because they're not smart enough in the first place.

    • @marinadelawareusa2390
      @marinadelawareusa2390 Před 3 lety +1

      Oh

    • @afj810
      @afj810 Před 3 lety +1

      @@dantehowlstice3052 memorize theory = smart

    • @edenhawk2425
      @edenhawk2425 Před 3 lety

      it's shit, my opponent made several times a "draw" after the opening, I refused then later I won the game with as many coins suddenly I confused that my opponent wanted give up, I click too quickly on "draw"! :p

    • @yaboykirby7789
      @yaboykirby7789 Před 3 lety +3

      I dunno if he did lol like why wouldn't you turn your engine off and just play one game and get thrashed then use the excuse of oh I saw it was Eric rosen and I lost my cool rather than just expose you are hacking to everyone?
      I think his engine probably just told him that he was down because he was playing black so he thought he'd offer a draw lmao

  • @MrMelon247
    @MrMelon247 Před 4 lety +298

    The Jerome Gambit translates into a binary bitstring that force stops Stockfish if it sees it.
    Remember that for next time Eric

  • @TheKrazyLobster
    @TheKrazyLobster Před 4 lety +298

    13:39 - Guy takes 15 seconds to recapture something that any normal human would have premoved LMAO

    • @jareldg.stream1742
      @jareldg.stream1742 Před 3 lety +25

      if he had not been proven to have cheated, he could have been reviewing the game, waiting for eric to make a move

    • @randombanana640
      @randombanana640 Před 3 lety +9

      maybe stockfish wasn't responding so he has to restart the engine

    • @ezrahadwi135
      @ezrahadwi135 Před 3 lety

      Thats why every cheater even the smartest would caught cheating by Lichess

    • @vivvpprof
      @vivvpprof Před 3 lety +4

      Now imagine a new GUI telling you when to premove. Crazy. It'll be a helluva lot harder to catch the cheaters.

    • @gustavopinedagonzalez316
      @gustavopinedagonzalez316 Před 3 lety +1

      that's idiotic you should be looking for other moves besides recapturing always

  • @shri7105
    @shri7105 Před 4 lety +899

    I hate people who make Happy Eric sad... his voice was sad whole game

  • @totalhysteria
    @totalhysteria Před 4 lety +600

    It's hilarious so many cheaters in chess are really bad at cheating. Using the computer for every move and always take the same time. Perfect tells to make it obvious.

    • @sensorcato
      @sensorcato Před 4 lety +104

      Good liars/cheaters don't get caught.

    • @nothosaur
      @nothosaur Před 4 lety +76

      @@sensorcato Cheaters on physical boards "use the restroom"

    • @totalhysteria
      @totalhysteria Před 4 lety +79

      @@sensorcato true. "Good" cheaters will most likely just use computer assistance modestly to get some edge. If their games correlate too much with the engines, they know it will look suspicious. Also, cheaters with some deeper understanding of the game probably avoid typical computer lines that humans rarely play.

    • @niveshproag3761
      @niveshproag3761 Před 4 lety +84

      The recent chessbrah video had a 99.3% accuracy and asked "what's a GM" in the chat 🤣🤣🤣

    • @chessandmathguy
      @chessandmathguy Před 4 lety +13

      @@niveshproag3761 yeah I remember that lol. What's a GM lol...

  • @pk-fi1ok
    @pk-fi1ok Před 3 lety +135

    No more shoutouts, I must focus. Hey, it is peppe, shout out to peppe! Lol :))

  • @Mike14Gr
    @Mike14Gr Před 4 lety +493

    At least Eric got his rating back...

    • @marcojimenez2725
      @marcojimenez2725 Před 4 lety +19

      And we could see an interesting game...

    • @kennethbarrientos3794
      @kennethbarrientos3794 Před 4 lety +7

      But the time spent playing against a cheater is lost forever.

    • @umutalp1517
      @umutalp1517 Před 4 lety +28

      ​@@kennethbarrientos3794 When you play a cheater, you are playing against computer. Considering how educative it is to play against a computer and analyse it afterwards, so it should not be that much of a waste of time I guess.

    • @rocchirodrigo
      @rocchirodrigo Před 4 lety +31

      @@umutalp1517 Playing against a 3400+ ELO isn't any instructive as it has no style, plans or commit mistakes/inaccuracies, being guided purely by brute-force calculation. Even Carlsen is smashed while playing against the engine, let alone Eric or someone the typical chess player. You can actually play stockfish on Lichess if you want to, and it'll move within 1-3seconds for each move without time limit.

    • @Jartran72
      @Jartran72 Před 3 lety

      @@rocchirodrigo Stockfish does not brute force calculate. It is much more sophisticated. Do you know how many positions a program using brute force would have to evaluate after 4 moves from eatch player in the middle game? It is a very well written algorythm and I think after the advances made by alpha zero and leela there also have been some neural network components added. Calling this beutiful piece of technology simple brute force is disheartening :(

  • @vimmiduggal6658
    @vimmiduggal6658 Před 4 lety +99

    "A computer cheater crushed me"
    Me :Oh crap, not again

  • @icantthinkofaname5950
    @icantthinkofaname5950 Před 4 lety +568

    0 Inaccuracies
    0 Mistakes
    0 Blunders
    Seems legit

    • @ginoginoh
      @ginoginoh Před 4 lety +40

      I am more worried about the 10 centipawn loss. 000 can happen, but to have that accuracy XD

    • @Karpnado
      @Karpnado Před 4 lety +54

      @Sarthak Swarnkar It's a measurement of accuracy, so it's saying here that from the whole game his concession to white was only 0.1 pawns because of how accurate the moves were

    • @legrandliseurtri7495
      @legrandliseurtri7495 Před 4 lety +51

      I lost with a 97% accuracy(My rating is 1269!) against someone with a 85% accuracy. How? I played extremely well(44 best moves in 70 total moves) except for one blunder:I gave away my queen for free on move 16 lol.

    • @masaaki14
      @masaaki14 Před 4 lety +5

      I just started on lichess and my current rating is 1200+?, and very occasionally even I play 0 0 0 games

    • @austinnunez2031
      @austinnunez2031 Před 4 lety +18

      Mikio Masaaki because people at your level tend to play horrible moves so anyone who has half a brain will take advantage of them and win quickly. I’ve had 8 centipawn loss games with 5 moves bc opponent blunders immediately and they resign. The point is going through a whole game playing the most accurate moves as if it were a short game, so it’s obvious they cheated

  • @Dismantle02
    @Dismantle02 Před 4 lety +121

    I just watched your “early tactics in the Italian” video from 1 year ago like 30 minutes ago and then you post an Italian game again

    • @nathan791
      @nathan791 Před 4 lety +7

      I watched that video too this morning!

  • @fixipszikon6670
    @fixipszikon6670 Před 3 lety +5

    at 08:50 "I give shoutouts after the game, I have to focus"
    10 seconds later: "Hey it's Pepe, shout out to Pepe"

  • @ben1996123
    @ben1996123 Před 4 lety +25

    videos of games against cheaters are my favourite videos to watch because it's the only time you ever get to see good players playing normally against engines, instead of playing doing dumb "anti-computer" moves like the hippo or immediately closing the position and doing nothing

    • @centrelink6003
      @centrelink6003 Před 4 lety +4

      Hmm do you also cheat as well? Very suspicious comment

    • @jhondoux84
      @jhondoux84 Před 4 lety +5

      @@centrelink6003 i assume hes just interested, I don't think a cheater is much interested in strategy either way

    • @user-yk1zr1mi1w
      @user-yk1zr1mi1w Před 4 lety +6

      Me also, I love to see AK-47 vs Hand, 500 Mps train vs running Usain Bolt as well as Russian Tank vs Pro wrestler.

    • @wellshit9489
      @wellshit9489 Před 3 lety +1

      @Demedim Stafford Gambit ftw

  • @riccardorosso2795
    @riccardorosso2795 Před 4 lety +240

    13:40 12 seconds for taking a rook??? Ahahahahahahaha

    • @kaishah2822
      @kaishah2822 Před 4 lety +31

      Tough decision he could have played Kh7

    • @guitarfreak80ftw
      @guitarfreak80ftw Před 4 lety +43

      Cut him some slack! His engine was buffering!

    • @riccardorosso2795
      @riccardorosso2795 Před 4 lety +3

      @Alan Quezada yeah it's true but..man, do you think you will really play it?😅 ok black is winning in all cases but taking the rook here is an obvious move

    • @user-it4iz7pv1g
      @user-it4iz7pv1g Před 3 lety +3

      Tbh at 13:05 I calculated Rxf3 Rxf8 Kh7. I have some serious traps and if Kxf8 I would be scared of perpetual. So yeah my first candidate move was Kh7

    • @PasteGames
      @PasteGames Před 3 lety

      @@user-it4iz7pv1g so you’re saying you wouldn’t take the rook first?

  • @jon7911
    @jon7911 Před 3 lety +57

    Plot twist: he’s just the strongest player on planet earth starting out on Lichess

    • @dannyhuffman3587
      @dannyhuffman3587 Před 3 lety +18

      Yup. The strongest player who needs ten seconds to take back a rook

  • @zziippee
    @zziippee Před 4 lety +73

    You held your own very well 🤙

  • @corvusmonedulas4895
    @corvusmonedulas4895 Před 4 lety +7

    Without even considering the knowledge imparted, your relaxed and open communication and thought processes seem to immediately improve my chess and are gently entertaining. You're my favourite chess streamer.

  • @cyrilgarcia2485
    @cyrilgarcia2485 Před 4 lety +64

    If u wanna beat Eric, just spam sub him while playing

  • @srijit8127
    @srijit8127 Před 4 lety +30

    this man is amazingly kind...love him

    • @chessandmathguy
      @chessandmathguy Před 4 lety

      No he's not... He just used a computer to cheat against Eric Rosen!

  • @zziippee
    @zziippee Před 3 lety +11

    eric knew the whole time, just has to wait to get confirmation. he hints with what he says

  • @jak7062
    @jak7062 Před 4 lety +37

    Eric was very angry inside but good job for keeping your cool ,

  • @davidbofinger
    @davidbofinger Před 3 lety +41

    And yet he kept offering a draw. Stockfish didn't tell him to do that.

  • @JM-027
    @JM-027 Před 3 lety +8

    8:51 "ill give shoutouts after this game, i have to focus" pepellou appeared, "shoutouts to pepe" lol

  • @wojciechstepniewski3953

    This is very good, inspirational and informative material. I am asking for more longer games. Thank you!

  • @DanielDugovic
    @DanielDugovic Před 4 lety +23

    14:43 Very instructive... indeed, forcing the opponent to play on makes sense.

  • @Daniele.Rossini
    @Daniele.Rossini Před 4 lety +117

    As you said in your recend video "Missing Both Rooks" *in this type of situations you have to look at the bright side of things*, cheater was immediately banned and you didn't lost any rating points, you explored a very interesting opening with the help of (his) engine moves, and in the end you made a really good youtube and twitch content for your audience, so Eric next time someone will cheat against you (and unfortunately it'll happen again) don't be sad but make trasture of this situation and think about the good content that you'll do with it!

    • @billowen3285
      @billowen3285 Před 3 lety +3

      It's not fun trying your best and still getting crushed

    • @pk-fi1ok
      @pk-fi1ok Před 3 lety

      @@billowen3285 the only one trying their best here was obviously stockfish. eric chatting, shoutouting and anylyzing just 2 - 3 moves ahead. otherwise i agree with you ;)

    • @pk-fi1ok
      @pk-fi1ok Před 3 lety +2

      wow, usually this kind of "seeing world's bright side" makes me depressed, but not this time and i wanna thank you for this lovely comment! :)

    • @billowen3285
      @billowen3285 Před 3 lety +3

      @@pk-fi1ok maybe here it turned out alright, but once a guy cheated against me and it sucked so much. I felt completly outclassed and was in awe of how much better his position was even though I felt like I played pretty well. It's so demoralising putting all your mind into a game and finding out you never had a chance

    • @pk-fi1ok
      @pk-fi1ok Před 3 lety +1

      @@billowen3285 Yes, I got it. I feel the same even if I know I play against computer. The feeling is literarly scary. I have been trying to comprehend the cheating and I came to the conclusion. When you cheat and beat a strong player you feel good. For a moment, wow, that must be something. But it very dangerous false feeling of security. I say every (self)lie is dangerous. So I started to feel sorry for them cheaters. I pity them. That is my medicine against a match with them.

  • @giovannispinotti
    @giovannispinotti Před 4 lety +8

    To me it's impressive how the strength of the human player is still showing: computer makes a totally absurd move out of nowhere and the cheated player immediately recognizes all the implications of why that move was so strong and why it was so hard to see before.

  • @nikeswoosh7575
    @nikeswoosh7575 Před 4 lety +3

    These are some of my fav videos bc i always like to see how early you start to suspect somethings up.

  • @fueledbyfood
    @fueledbyfood Před 4 lety +74

    18:43 Eric looks sad and disappointed for playing a computer cheater.

  • @jamesw9930
    @jamesw9930 Před 4 lety +14

    You could sense almost the instant that he realized

  • @laurasanchez7105
    @laurasanchez7105 Před 4 lety +62

    18:12 "I would show the rating refund message, but I don't want to show all my DMs" oooooohhhhhh Eric getting it in!!! haha

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 Před 4 lety +15

      Why do girls have to sexualise everything?

    • @weareone1575
      @weareone1575 Před 4 lety +3

      Uranus lol Idk I thought it was funny

    • @laurasanchez7105
      @laurasanchez7105 Před 4 lety +8

      @@SuperYtc1 I wasn't even sexualising it lmfao I was just joking that he talks to a lot of girls on a chess website

    • @SuperYtc1
      @SuperYtc1 Před 4 lety +1

      @@laurasanchez7105 Weird flex but ok

    • @laurasanchez7105
      @laurasanchez7105 Před 4 lety +4

      @@SuperYtc1 Ok boomer

  • @GaryTheGray
    @GaryTheGray Před 4 lety

    I missed the beginning of your Twitch stream, so thanks for putting this up. I appreciate the way you handled this.

  • @KralleZ7
    @KralleZ7 Před 4 lety +205

    Cheating in chess is not JUST cheating - you are selling your humanity.
    Where is your pride?
    What are you?

    • @booma5451
      @booma5451 Před 3 lety +17

      damn that’s deep.

    • @jareldg.stream1742
      @jareldg.stream1742 Před 3 lety +8

      they're probably sad people

    • @mensaswede4028
      @mensaswede4028 Před 3 lety +29

      Some of them are just 12-year-olds who discover engines for the first time, and do it so they can brag to their buddies that they beat a strong player. I mean, they’re children, so normal logic doesn’t apply. Not saying this particular case is a child, but it could be.

    • @KralleZ7
      @KralleZ7 Před 3 lety +11

      @@mensaswede4028 I get what you mean and I know they exist, but cheating in a 2 h long tournament? Those who are trying to ruin others hard working grind in a tournament are the worst. They have no self respect and not enough empathy for others.

    • @georgiykireev9678
      @georgiykireev9678 Před 3 lety +15

      I'm going to play devil's advocate for a bit and say this: there would be far fewer cheaters in online chess if the community wasn't so toxic towards anyone with an elo below 2000. Chess has the most snobbish, elitist community I've ever seen, and even the low ranked people perpetuate it by simping for the top players

  • @TSheBiZ
    @TSheBiZ Před 4 lety +7

    20:46 couldn’t have ended this video better than that “mmm pumpkin”

  • @threck
    @threck Před 4 lety +4

    It was a great classical stream last night! All games CZcams worthy. Hope Eric also uploads the games against legit players.

  • @mawash0309
    @mawash0309 Před 3 lety

    Last bit of video was very insightful for me thanks 👌🏾

  • @costarica739
    @costarica739 Před 3 lety +2

    11:55 h3 is such a mindblowing move!
    14:15 roasting the opponent
    15:24 appreciating stockfish move

  • @sebastiankrutschoff842
    @sebastiankrutschoff842 Před 3 lety +12

    „I like playing like, real People...“ 😂

  • @Fera-gr5mm
    @Fera-gr5mm Před 3 lety +3

    13:50 At youth matches, it actually happens pretty often. One move to do, still thinking.

  • @Zack_Taylor
    @Zack_Taylor Před 3 lety +8

    I love how he doesn't outright say it but it just becomes obvious.
    A few really surprising deep moves and then waiting several seconds on obvious ones.

  • @texastitan6567
    @texastitan6567 Před 3 lety +1

    I’ve been playing this opening for so long and didn’t know it was the Moller. I kinda just discovered it and liked it

  • @LisEverywereWhaching
    @LisEverywereWhaching Před 3 lety +4

    The refund was so fast, nice!

  • @dominiks5068
    @dominiks5068 Před 4 lety +80

    Lichess is so good at banning cheaters. Clearly the superior chess site...

    • @alexweitz
      @alexweitz Před 4 lety +4

      Just today played against a cheater on Lichess myself

    • @dominiks5068
      @dominiks5068 Před 4 lety +18

      @@alexweitz just report them, I'm sure you'll get back your points :)

    • @alexweitz
      @alexweitz Před 4 lety +8

      Funny thing, it wasn't even a rated game

    • @dominiks5068
      @dominiks5068 Před 4 lety +29

      @@alexweitz wow. cheaters really are a stupid bunch...

    • @snowking3242
      @snowking3242 Před 4 lety +10

      There are a small group of people who successfully cheat on lichess. Most don't know how to do it properly, it's surprisingly easy. The typical 5 second move ones will always be banned quickly because of software lichess have to detect it.

  • @eduardovillarreal5368
    @eduardovillarreal5368 Před 4 lety

    I love your videos, they make me fall asleep very easily

  • @sweetlemons8695
    @sweetlemons8695 Před 3 lety +2

    ending the video on "mm... pumpkin" is legendary

  • @markonikolic1386
    @markonikolic1386 Před 3 lety +3

    I read the title as "A Computer Cheater Crushed By Moller Attack" and was pretty confused the whole first part of the video.

  • @regzzuse280
    @regzzuse280 Před 3 lety +8

    11:38 hard decision so it takes time...

  • @aboodvstheweirdworld2682
    @aboodvstheweirdworld2682 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank u Eric for the great chess content always

  • @vishrantgoyal8225
    @vishrantgoyal8225 Před 3 lety +1

    I read the title as "A Computer Cheater Crushed *By* Moller Attack" instead of *"My"* and I was so happy for Eric, but as I watched through, I felt so sad for him.
    But its great how he held his own through the game and never directly said that his opponent is "obviously" cheating, even though he knew it within 10 moves. He is such a wholesome guy.

  • @pratyushsen8108
    @pratyushsen8108 Před 3 lety +5

    Its so wonderful to see that he never suspects his opponent for cheating , such a nice guy!

  • @vinci131999
    @vinci131999 Před 3 lety +20

    I wonder if he offered a draw because he was feeling bad or if he was scared to get banned by a streamer..

    • @joshbowling5032
      @joshbowling5032 Před 3 lety +7

      If he was scared he could have simply not cheated

    • @monsieurimhim6147
      @monsieurimhim6147 Před 3 lety

      He played somebody that plays chess & not theory which is not chess but actually mimicking some one else moves step for step...its why the best players ever were paul Morphy & bobby Fischer ❗

  • @wonwons2272
    @wonwons2272 Před 4 lety +2

    Great video!

  • @andreitiberiovicgazdovici

    Interesting content...Watching an engine playing good chess 🤣 Great line Eric

  • @Ozonespider
    @Ozonespider Před 3 lety +7

    am i the only one that gets anxious when Eric gets distracted by messages and misc small talk, especially when it's been his move for a while and he doesn't notice...

  • @koopslone6823
    @koopslone6823 Před 3 lety +16

    Imagine Cheating but with the easy chess AI instead of the hard one.

  • @therealmattviolet
    @therealmattviolet Před 3 lety

    Eric "What to do" Rosen - Love your content!

  • @birnumara1212
    @birnumara1212 Před 3 lety +1

    As far as Computer-assisted players are concerned ,
    It may not always be Stockfish or Lc0 ,
    It may be Komodo too...
    ( one of the TOP-3 badass mechanical players of standard chess )
    Because , there are people who are equally interested in buying the expensive Komodo Chess Engine in addition to the Free Open-source monster engines Viz. Stockfish & Leela .
    But , anyway , I love all of these HYPER-GMs 💛💜💚💙

  • @xanbex8324
    @xanbex8324 Před 4 lety +4

    Eric handled the cheating well...a gentleman indeed.

  • @icantthinkofaname5950
    @icantthinkofaname5950 Před 4 lety +15

    Please do a Jerome and upload it here.

    • @b_manly5067
      @b_manly5067 Před 4 lety +3

      He posted a video where he attempted to do the Jerome (he didn't do it right).

    • @anvb5a1
      @anvb5a1 Před 3 lety

      @@b_manly5067 The Jerome is tough to master! :D

  • @robawa9846
    @robawa9846 Před 3 lety +2

    I remember when i tried to play with chess engine, that was many years ago, i do still feel bad about that

  • @georgechen1124
    @georgechen1124 Před 4 lety +2

    To ALL computer cheaters:
    1. Has your dad taught you integrity?
    2. Is you mom Ex Machina 'lady'?
    3. Where is your pride and humanity? What are you?

  • @russellthorburn9297
    @russellthorburn9297 Před 3 lety +4

    I've never understood the point of cheating. There's nothing to gain and no satisfaction to be had.

    • @user-lc3on9fd9m
      @user-lc3on9fd9m Před 3 lety +3

      Satisfaction or what is a gain and what is not is completely subjective. You may not gain any satisfaction from cheating, but they do. Maybe it's the thrill of doing something that is frowned upon, and/or they simply enjoy seeing their elo go up.

  • @justinmccoy4270
    @justinmccoy4270 Před 4 lety +3

    Eric: Obvious computer engine based on no inaccuracies from me opponent
    Me an Intellectual: Bobby Fischer conspiracy theory that he never died and is no a lichess subscriber 🤣

  • @LemmyTheCarpenter
    @LemmyTheCarpenter Před 3 lety +2

    I see a lot of judgeful comments about cheaters, lemme tell you my story. When I was a kid my cousin showed me some online chess site and he showed me how he sometimes cheats in some matches. So i took the chess app from him and cheated all the way to 2500 rating, not sure why but it was so fun. Well it went stale after few days but let me tell you what. Before that I didn't know anything about chess, only the rules, but when I started playing with friends after that I realized I got really good at it as those patterns stuck in my head. I mean I wasn't great but I was better than my friends group and it was all thanks to me cheating and passively learning some of the patterns. So in a way cheating taught me to play chess. I don't play chess very often maybe once a year but I still open like the app used to with two Knights first. Love watching these chess videos lately and I have to admit this game vs cheater looked very boring and frustrating, no creativity whatsoever, like playing ping pong against the wall. Stafford gambit ones on the other hand are so enjoyable. I'm thinking of starting to play again and learn properly this time. Sorry for the long post. Peace out

  • @sarmedalani2526
    @sarmedalani2526 Před 4 lety

    thank you Eric

  • @ipsykd40
    @ipsykd40 Před 3 lety +4

    Awww Eric is so innocent. Why would someone do this

  • @lightningstrikevideos760
    @lightningstrikevideos760 Před 3 lety +4

    I wish I was that good that people would have to cheat against me to win. LOL

  • @dopecello8670
    @dopecello8670 Před 3 lety

    I’m sorry that shit happened to you man. Mad respect after watching this.

  • @chesspirate_channel
    @chesspirate_channel Před 3 lety

    @Eric Rosen it's Called giuoco piano that in Italian could possibly means linear/regular/flat game. However very good game considering it was vs stockfish. Keep it up

  • @carlos.hermanos
    @carlos.hermanos Před 4 lety +11

    At what move did you think he might've been using an engine?

    • @ferlou2373
      @ferlou2373 Před 3 lety +2

      He was probably certain 13 min + going by his commentary when he checked the guys blitz games and mentioned the oppo taking time in spite of having only one legal move available

    • @itachiuchiha5771
      @itachiuchiha5771 Před 3 lety

      @@ferlou2373 that seemed like when he was sure of it. But I think he started to suspect when the guy played h4.

  • @Draztica
    @Draztica Před 4 lety +3

    i feel like you can tell it's a cheater because of the consistent couple seconds before a move it makes, even in the opening and in tough spots

  • @coreyburton8
    @coreyburton8 Před 4 lety

    Good job. Just subbed

  • @FiftyJuan
    @FiftyJuan Před 4 lety +1

    That dude offered draw 3 times and he was using an engine to help him, that shows how good Eric is :D

  • @ghostlywardenfromheavyglen2336

    It's almost as if the computer cheater wanted to get reported, cheating against a famous IM

    • @wellshit9489
      @wellshit9489 Před 3 lety

      Maybe that's why he kept offering a draw

  • @tcomizij5062
    @tcomizij5062 Před 4 lety +6

    At 14:46 is the rook not hanging? Could someone explain to me why he can't capture the rook with his pawn?

  • @AureyT.
    @AureyT. Před 3 lety +1

    Eric has that under cheek shadowing that anna taylor joy has(beth harmon)

  • @paradigmshift4686
    @paradigmshift4686 Před 4 lety

    Well played by the engine.

  • @jamesart9
    @jamesart9 Před 3 lety +3

    14:50 Can anyone explain to me why he didn't take the Rook instead of the pawn here?

    • @federicocappellini3241
      @federicocappellini3241 Před 3 lety +2

      To avoid back rank mate with Qb1#

    • @jamesart9
      @jamesart9 Před 3 lety +4

      @@federicocappellini3241 Excellent, thank you, Frederico.
      My game suffers terribly because I constantly fail to see the obvious ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @luluthecat1570
      @luluthecat1570 Před 3 lety

      Federico Cappellini i dont understand?

    • @federicocappellini3241
      @federicocappellini3241 Před 3 lety

      @@luluthecat1570 if white takes the rook the h3 pawn covers g2 and black can put the queen to b1 with a back rank mate because the withe king has no escape

    • @luluthecat1570
      @luluthecat1570 Před 3 lety +1

      Federico Cappellini oooohhh got it thanks

  • @zamicczsmicc7464
    @zamicczsmicc7464 Před 4 lety +30

    What's the point of Cheating

    • @n2g747
      @n2g747 Před 4 lety +29

      To brag to people in the forums about their elo

    • @hccs2570
      @hccs2570 Před 4 lety +8

      These people know they will never play good chess and have complexes and then use engines..

    • @knightking4412
      @knightking4412 Před 4 lety +6

      crushing your opponent ego

    • @Chakkaly
      @Chakkaly Před 4 lety +3

      It's a conspiracy to push people to play blitz and bullet more and more, look into it

    • @user-yk1zr1mi1w
      @user-yk1zr1mi1w Před 4 lety +2

      @@Chakkaly It's possible to easily cheat too.

  • @thelegendaryphoenix6860

    Eric Rosen is so quiet so he is perfect to watch when you are not allowed on your phone at night but still want to learn chess

  • @studiosbonsoir
    @studiosbonsoir Před 4 lety

    i love seeing eric casually freaking out hahah, you really can tell he's rattled by being so outplayed

  • @WalyB01
    @WalyB01 Před 4 lety +3

    We all know you would have stil beaten him with the Jerome.

  • @alperendincer3273
    @alperendincer3273 Před 4 lety +20

    Nice haircut.

  • @kylen6430
    @kylen6430 Před 4 lety +1

    Gotta love the 10 sec it took to play qxf6

  • @Golfina19
    @Golfina19 Před 4 lety

    It's unfortunate that there are way too many computer cheaters out there, especially in longer time control games. I can't think fast enough to play a good game in blitz or rapid.. but at least it's harder for them to cheat when they don't have a lot of time to put in moves in the engine. Sorry that you had to play a cheater yet again, Eric. Also, congrats for getting your rating back so quickly & that the cheater was caught and hopefully banned!!