STOCK VORON ZERO 5:10min BENCHY on Voron Ferrari
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2021
- What an ugly Benchy!
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The fastest Voron V0...?
Or even the fastest Voron?!
There is a lot of potential left...
THIS VORON IS @STOCK
(Exceptions: See below)
Upcoming:
Tune this printer to the max...Better quality, more speed and a lot of fun!
Built to Voron-Spec - including the Standard V0.0 motors XY: 14HS17-0504S
Exception: Dragon Hotend V1.0 HF and Hemera (bowden-config).
Speed: 400mm/s (first layer 385mm/s)
acc/decel: 45000mm/s²
scv: 350mm/s
Motors Current: 1100mA
Filament: eSun ABS+ (black is better)
Settings:
- Nozzle: greater 300°C
- Bed: 75°C
- line width: 0.46 - 0.5mm
- layer height: 0.25mm
- 3 top and bottom layers
- 2 walls and 10% infill
#JoinTheSpeed
#247printing
#SpeedBoatRace - Věda a technologie
Speed running 3d prints.... I love the internet
The printer is literally moving on the table from all the vibrations, love it.
After all the upgrades this became worse - the printer is literally running away from the camera when trying to film the 03:xx benchy 😬
@@247printing No wonder Vez3D has his monster bolted to the wall! Damn my bed slinger here with 5000mm/s² acceleration already comes towards my feet during prints, I can't even imagine what mayhem does 9x the acceleration makes.
5k is really impressive on a bed slinger! Bolting the Zero to a wall like Simon does is no option for me, as I want the little guy to stay mobile for several reasons. Widening the stance and putting the machine on bigger rubber feet (meant for a shop air compressor) helped a lot. You can see pictures on Instagram or on my channel trailer. Though I am not sure yet if this can be the permanent solution for acc over 100k here - need more weight ☺️
@@247printing This might not fit your portability standards but maybe you could use some semi-powerful suction cups as feet?
@@Justin-id8sz This is actually a really great idea, thanks for the inspiration!
thats remarkable!... 4 weeks ago the record was 5:45. nitram, albert247, josh, vez3d, mirageC, and the annex-team - you speedprinting guys are insane! love it!
literally looks like a time-lapse, well done!
Thanks a lot!
Nice 👍... Compressed air... Hmmm..
Niiice good job :)
Wth 😱😍🤟 awesome 💚
A 3D printer CZcams video
that should be watched at x 1.0 speed
Yes please!
Just build my first Voron 0.2, stock, V6 standard hotend, standard nozzle. Now very good looking Benchy (except hull line - not enough cooling), took 17min 26s. Formbot kit, nothing changed, stock fans, just change some settings and good assembly - make adxl calibration - 18500 accel.
That could be a new racing sport XD
looks better than some of mine 2h+ benchies
I liked the way the boat turned out :)
It's a work of art, SOLD :)
Yeah buddy - it’s a benchy shaped object!
Krankes Teil, gute Arbeit! Meinst du der neue V0.1 kann sowas auch erreichen mit dem erschwerten Kopf für den Direct Drive?
Danke 😊 Das wäre interessant zu sehen, evtl können die größeren Motoren das Gewicht kompensieren - ob der extruder genug Druck auf die Düse kriegt wäre die Frage 🧐
"The problem with moving at the speed of light is that you live in darkness" - Sonic
I love the speed test competitions, but is it meaningful with Jackson Pollock print quality? How fast can it print a benchy without significant errors?
You have to start somewhere.
More cooling will help with print quality.
That's the perfect question and the perfect answers were given. This benchy showed: You can go fast, but you need better extrusion and cooling. I worked on that :) Results are coming soon: Almost flawless PLA-Benchy in around 7-8min.
@@247printing proof is in the pudding, but I look forward to seeing it.
@@jeremytine I’ll proof it ☺️ (Already tested)
I didn't realize that this was real time at first
I got seasick watching this :thumpup
How much current are you feeding the stepoers? This is insane, love it
1100mA 😅
4:45 Quagmire "Gigity"
:D Made me a real lol here! Thanks mate!
hmm seems to be a tool assisted run :)
Yeah, the little 3010s could not keep up and I left the hair dryer in the bathroom (like others do🙃) - compressed air seemed to be a better solution for this try - updates on cooling incoming!
Please excuse me if this is a silly question, but if I understood it correctly CoreXY uses only one motor when moving diagonally, right? Meaning you're losing the advantage of balancing the load of the toolhead particularly when printing the infill (which I assume uses the regular 45°/135° pattern). So, do you think you could push the machine further, in particular for the infill, if you rotate the model 45° and then set the infill pattern to use 90°/180°? AFAIK, the infill angle isn't bound by the rules, only the amount (10%).
Again, I apologize if this has been tested and deemed irrelevant, I just have a bedslinger and I'm pushing it hard to get me a 30min benchy, so I'm clearly out of my depth regarding the specific limits.
Thanks for your thoughts, very precious ("there are no silly questions")! Your assumptions are perfect for this part of the game and I did (loads of) testing on this particular topic, as there is potential. Concerning the infill, I tested different types, orientations, flow rates (100-130%), line-widths and speeds, as you don't want to waste time on them. Being hidden in the end-result, they don't contribute to quality directly, but they have to build up a base as dense and "clean" as possible for upcoming solid layers without running into layer-shifts - printing on the absolute speed-/acc-limit of the AB/XY motors, curled-up filament "hurt". I ended up using Curas "Line"-infill at 45° as it has a dense footprint and it is very speedy - change of direction (45°/135°) only every second layer here. With solid layers at 90°/180° it was the fastest, still working method (it's a fight for extrusion flow). I did not try to vary the benchy's orientation on the bed for two simple reasons: I think 90° is better for watching the print on a video and I did not expect to benefit much from this. Maybe I give it a try though, thanks for the suggestion! Bed Slinger: I am preparing videos for an Artillery Genius doing a speed print (at stock / default) to have a baseline for covering upcoming tuning measures. This will be interesting for everyone trying to print fast on a bed slinger - a realistic step by step goal is a 10-15min. benchy on this. Have a look at Nitrams fast benchy on a Ender 3 (~18min.) - really amazing!
@@247printing Why not ZigZag? It seems to be like Lines, but the E motor doesn't stop.
With Klippers Pressure Advance the extruder is extruding and retracting all the way to optimize the required flow - one killer feature for those speeds.
Thats hard top watch
Und ich warte immer Stunden auf meinen Kleinkram.
Geiles Teil
Danke dir… Ich aber auch… weil ich immer noch am liebsten meine Sachen am Prusa drucke 🙊
@@247printing hehe, finde das sowas wenn es mal für Muster usw schnell gehen muss, echt cool ist.
Hast ein Abo, auch wenn es so absolut nicht meine Materie ist, aber geil zu sehen was geht
Ich danke dir! Grad fürs schnelle Prototyping kann das tatsächlich Zeit sparen - schau mal auf Instagram, da habe ich ein kleines preview dazu bei dem Speed ☺️
Sieht sehr edel aus.
Hast du schon mal überlegt die Kompressorkühlung durch ein paar 120mm Lüfter mit Luftkanal a la HevORT zu ersetzen?
Danke! Das ABS+ Braun von ESUN hat was :) Bzgl. der Kühlung gibt es tatsächlich sehr viele Überlegungen und auch schon erste Tests mit konkreten Konstruktionen ähnlich der HevORT-Variante (HevArC), wie du sie beschrieben hast (aktuell vier starke 12V 40x20 Lüfter). Dazu neue Lösungen für die Kühlung direkt am Toolhead. Ein Kompressor (aber nicht mehr manuell wie hier) wird dabei auch eine große Rolle spielen. Großes Video (mit Tuning, Lessons Learned, Erklärungen, How-To und den Benefits für das "normale Drucken") in Arbeit!
Wow impressive!
Isn't there a problem with motors overheating with 1100mA?
I set mine to 450mA and they get very hot. Can you share your klipper printer.cfg configuration file?
Thanks! Nope, during a run of 5-7min. they get quite warm/hot, but it’s still ok. The annoying thing is, that I have to let them cool down (-15min) before I can try again :) My plan was to upload the gcode, slicer-profile and the printer.cfg - link in the description in a few hours 🤝
@@247printing watercool them
You should do a picture in picture of the filament roll spinning lol.
Have a look at my full 1000mm/s print video ☺️ there is some sexy spool footage 😂
Can a high-speed fan blowing continuously on the part help speed up the printer even more?
Very impressive speed by the way.
Yes! Right now I am testing 36000rpm Server fans to achieve best possible cooling here. PLA benchy in very good quality is achievable in way below 10min - but it’s loud :/
And: Thank you very much!
What color brown is that on the voron? Looks awesome (:
That’s esun ABS+ brown :)
Talk about rapid prototyping _badum tish_
Theoretically, with enough cooling, how fast do you think it would be possible to print with unlimited budget? Asking for a friend who has an idea for a printer vending machine...
That’s a very good question ☺️👍 I guess speeds up to 2000mm/s could be possible if you manage the plastic melting and cooling fast enough. You’ll need a light weight and capable motion system like for example Vez3D, maybe on servos. I managed to move at 1400mm/s but I had to lower the acceleration - in the end that’s even slower. Hard to tell, but the future will show!
3d printer go brrrrrrrrrr
everyone with a 3d printer :
you cant just make a custom bilt 3d printer and expect it to print decnl-
this guy :
haha 3d printer go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
literally
Hi! Sehr schönes Video. Die Qualität kann sich für diese enorme Geschwindigkeit sehen lassen :)
VG/
Luca
Hi Luca! Schön dich wieder zu sehen! Das war damals noch mit dem originalen Voron 0.0 ohne tuning und ich finde auch - vor allem der speed kann sich sehen lassen. Mit den "247upgrades stage 1" bin ich guter Dinge dass ich in um die 5min. ein fehlerfreies Benchy aus ABS hinbekommen kann.
Extrusion und vor allem die Kühlung waren damals die größten Probleme.
@@247printing Oha, und schon so präzise! Echt cool!
Bis dann/
Luca
Wow the cheap ali bearings held up 🥴🥴
there needs to be a criteria for the benchies
Definitely!
Are you accepting paid private calls to give some tips?
i pay more ! :P
🤝 No payment necessary - just contact me (see email) and we arrange a call. Or just stay tuned for my upcoming videos!
Its printing and sanding together
Why sanding?
Maybe its a stupid question, but can someone tell me what does 5:10 mean since it is in the title of the video and I have no idea what it means? Thanks!
That’s the time I needed to print that benchy. Good comment - I can imagine that this could not be clear for everyone.
@@247printing thanks for the answer, it's just the time of the print, got it!
Falta melhorar muito! Mais já achei o defeito na qualidade da impressão. Quê saber? Me contacte que lhe digo é posso resolver esse problema.
I'm still using my Ender 2... Wanna race ?
LET'S GO!
intro music?
also was wondering that
You missed a huge opportunity by not slapping two googly eyes to the front of the print head and letting them flop around all video.
The print wasn't exactly what I'd call an acceptable standard though.
Never ever, I agree! Have a look at Teaching Tech‘s video about the #speedboatrace - he perfectly explains the spirit of this contest.
soon
Don't see the point ! If it's going so fast that it vibrates off the table what good does it do you , not to mention the noise 🤔!
The point is to elaborate and show off the bottlenecks and work on them in order to improve speed and quality :)
Well if the benchy looks like that, there’s not much difference from grabbing a bunch of filament and melting it into a ball in 30 seconds
Thank you, made my day 🙂👍
@247printing Wasn’t trying to be mean but come on.
For a speed benchy competition to mean anything there has to be a line drawn between actual benchy and blob of filament. What you made is past that line.
If there’s no standards the competition means nothing
"Man I'm going to do a 5:10 Benchy at stock! No need to mention an air compressor, everyone has an air compressor and is gonna use it for their prints!", clickbait
Yes, it's a bit of click bait, I agree! I wanted to find the limits of the stock motion system on a stock Voron Zero for a fast benchy. The part cooling was already an obvious bottleneck at the first benchy I tried on the V0, so I decided to help this one to finish with an air compressor.
@@247printing I understand but then you could've put something like "Achieved 5:10 Benchy with Air Compressor - Voron V0 Stock"
@@CulbableJimmy thanks for the suggestion - maybe the “air compressor” would be even be more attractive (and click bait)?
@@247printing I think it would be more attractive and not clickbait personally
I agree, I consider changing to this!
Quality: Meh.
Speed: Ludicrous!
(Insert Trivago Ad joke here)
Just proved you can go too fast.
It’s a mess.
No point.
I disagree my friend ☺️ It showed the bottlenecks to work on in order to achieve quality at that speed and to go even faster - incoming!
hahahaha that is one awful benchy boat
Absolutely! Very well observed 😊
but... that benchy is kind of shitty.
Well observed! But it enables for faster ones at quality ☺️
stop printing, our planet will thank you later.
Producing such a waste of plastic....
Ah yes, criticize the hobbyists having fun with their machines and not corporations wasting thousands of tons of materials monthly, way to attack the core of the problem.
/s if it isn't obvious to you.
@@minidotrar878 didn't you get it? Hobby printing is going to make smth usefull or at least good looking - this is crap straight from t he printer to the waste
Isn't it obvious to you?
@@ibbanez5451 Well for 1, waste is a part of any manufacturing process, especially during testing.
Secondly, you do know pla and abs can be recycled? Not only that but pla can be biodegraded under lab conditions.
If you look at this world and think someone pushing the limits of their machine is the real issue, you need a new perspective.
@@minidotrar878 probably i know it better than you. In fact printing that fast is 100% waste. Remelted pla loosing its strenght. Testing smth to improove and stupid fast printing Just to make melted blob are Two different things.