I had a 2013 Optima SX and I completely agree with your comments on the traction control. There were a couple of times where I needed to quickly make a left turn on a busy road, only to have the traction control almost bring the car to a complete stop. This can definitely create dangerous situations, and I ended up just manually putting the car in 2nd if I knew I had to make a quick left turn like that. Great video as always!
I also had a '13 Optima SX! Sold it after 8 months because I couldn't stand how it drove. It was also incredibly loud inside. They put all the money into styling and features and none into the mechanicals or refinement. I sold it to my FIL who loves it! With AWD + the 2.5T and proper stability control calibration this could have been a contendah.
You should ask us Genesis coupe owners what we call the traction control, the "neck breaker", it stops the car incredibly violent especially when you are expecting it to accelerate but it does the opposite.
Sometimes even when you disable the traction control the stability control is still on and when you hit the apex of a corner and the body rolls... it will cut your throttle input to the engine. So if you're making a quick maneuver to save your life for someone else's and you caused the little level to hit its maximum range the ECU cuts throttle. In a lot of new cars you can turn off the traction but you can't turn off the stability or the yaw control all the way.
*The pathetic attempt to cram Bible Class, illegal waxing and Anal Sphincter in the same line!* :) Leave the comedy to the Brits, guys. Just stick to the review. Comedy's not your cup of tea! :)))))))))))
but the Brits are funny. just have a gallon of water ready for drinking as their humor's a bit dry. i guess if you get on all 4's in that back seat, you can have your back and scrotum waxed in a short period of time.
Well, I do that with my regular charger from the lighter port. I have a mount for a phone attached on one of the ventilator ports, and when my phone is there it is cooled. Interesting thing is it charges faster, because the battery doesn't get hot. Win, win ,win :D
i was convinced when he got to the trunk part that it did that. I was like "oh shit its like the stinger in the back" and then it opened and i lost my boner
Savagegeese please don’t change anything on this channel. It is perfect! Your reviews are perfect, your editing is perfect! You have a wonderful consistency that I can expect from every video, And I thank you for that. Looking forward to many more vids!
Unlike GM as well. You would have to be mad to get a Malibu over this. They're right in line in price. (that said, nobody buys a Malibu at MSRP, they're all heavily discounted)
One of the issues with Kia is there is zero cohesion across their lineup. The grille is loosely similar but it seems like they experiment heavily on each model.
@@air-headedaviator1805 Plus the Kia Forte GT with the manual is frigging' good. Zero rev-hang, and really nice and punchy. Only thing is, I had just gotten out of a GTI so it wasn't worth it to me to trade it in...
Thank you for mentioning the terrible traction control. I have owned a Kia Optima and now an Elentra GT and the issue is the same. I will pull in to oncoming traffic and need to be aggressive and at times it will just kill the engine and I swear I am going to get killed because even after you are straight the engine is still severally restricted. Now I have gotten to the point of turning off traction control in these situations.
Can it accelerate hard if you roll into the throttle rather than floor it? I.E., avoid the wheelspin then nail it once revs are past where it can break the tires loose? Truly curious to know the answer.
@@jsfbay1 It will sometimes kick in before you have wheel spin. the engine literally just dies and the peddle basically becomes non responsive no matter how you push it down. It's insane and incredibly unsafe and I have never experienced this with another car. My Optima was a 2011 and had this issue and my Elentra GT is a 2018 and is exactly the same. It is totally random and when it happens you go "oh shit" as you know you are screwed for the next 3-5 seconds before you have access to the full power.
It's not a terrible traction control, just not built for sporty driving. There is only so much traction you get on a mainstream, economy, car with skinny tires.
I have a 16 optima sxl and as long as I don’t floor it and turn the wheel from a stop this isn’t issue. It’s never been an issue in what I would call normal driving.
True, but Kia (under Biermann) wants buyers to actually give a crap about its drivability, since they're target-demographic is younger, and their cars are sportier than Hyundai.
But it sounds like it may be a little bit too crappy of a driving experience, normies like boring but they aren't gonna like those acceleration issues with the traction control going wild. There's a difference between fun to drive, boring to drive, and crappy to drive. The K5 is somewhere between boring and crappy, not a good place. The fact that you have to spend well north of $30,000 to get decent power or AWD option puts KIA solidly out of the budget car segment too. At least the exterior and interior looks a lot better I guess?
Ridiculous statement, of course people want a car that drives well. Do think a person after a test drive would buy if it drove badly? No. There are degrees in how cars drive, of course. Based on what kind of car you want. A BULLET Mustang is a high performance car, and will drive accordingly. Not to be compared to a family sedan. Doesn't mean that the sedan shouldn't handle decently, but no one expects it to handle like a Porsche. And lots of car ENTHUSIASTS, buy regular, sedans all the time.
I have a 16 optima sxl and have test driven this. There is only one time when this issue comes up - when you turn the wheel and floor it from a dead stop. What to do? Don’t floor it when turning the wheel from a dead stop. Otherwise it drives really, really nice for the average person. Meaning it’s smooth cruiser that can punch past a slow poke in the highway.
Always concise and to the point reviews and I really appreciate the high quality jazz music. Iam looking forward to the K5 2.5 turbo review! Jazz music is the only way to roll!
Its way better than all the other channels on YT. The details are crisp, video part 10/10 and never boring. A huge effort results in this kind of content.
My 16 sonata has a similar air box setup and filter changes are so easy. Loving the content as always, this is the only channel that actually puts a car on the lift.
Kia has come a long way. Their early cars were low-end but you could tell they were trying to make the most of the kit. The new models are pretty darn good.
Really good points about traction control tuning. I had a Kia Stinger GT2 and moved to a 2020 M340i, mostly because of Kia's lack of powertrain polish. Even with stability control completely deactivated it would still intervene and upset chassis balance. Some manufacturers just get it right out of the box, but for the moment I don't think Hyundai\Kia are among them. They make excellent products for the typical driver, continue to improve and perfect aspects of the user experience that no one else is even thinking about, and I don't hesitate to recommend them to friends & family. But as a driving enthusiast I find their sheer driving enjoyment and powertrain engineering to be really lacking.
I have owned my K5 GT LINE with premium package now for 7 months. Have never spun the tires taking off from a stop. Just don't slam on the gas and it takes off just fine. I like it very much. Its a very nice car.
Nice car, but the trunk opening is a joke. Fastback sedans like this one should be 5-door hatchbacks. Makes more sense. Like my old 07 Mazda 6i 5-door was.
This design trend is what ruins it for sedan fans. Looks like a liftback but without the practical advantage of it. I either want a hatchback or if I want a sedan then I want a proper surface I can put things on. (Another reason why I love the S2000. Proper trunk lid and so small and handy so that it never feels clunky.)
I just bought the GT Line with AWD. The car feels very stable through corners, but acceleration isn't going to hurt your neck. Price isn't going to hurt my wallet and decent gas mileage will be nice for a change.
I love the really fast hashtags you put in these videos! I like when they're so fast that you have to go back and pause it. It's a fun little easter egg. Tatianna agrees.
I own this car It’s the GT Line And it’s a peppy car .. And is very fun to drive One of the best I’ve ever owned as far as that goes . I have enjoyed it
I am a big fan of your work, But i have a small complain to your final impression section. If this K5 is not a great driver's car in this category please suggests few names too. So that it would be easy to the viewers. Keep doing your best work. You are one of the best unbiased car reviewer.
To be fair to the car, US SUVs cannot easily be sold outside the US due to them not meeting European safety regulations for hitting people outside the SUV. This car will barely sell in the US while selling well outside.
Hi Mark, It's great that you guys come up with all those fancy and detailed audio tests and graphs, BUT I bet no percentage of your viewers understand those when you show them in a blink. I'd suggest to explain them to make them worth your time and so the viewers time.
@@kevinnorwood7355 I didn't say its a better car; but the fact that its outselling 5:1, means Mazda is not a problem for kia (owned by hyundai). And I drive Mazda, just FYI
The K5 actually looks real nice from the outside. That grill gives it an aggressive grin. It just needs a 4 wheel drive and a hatchback trunk. And a way to tone down the traction control.
This is going to be the first channel to do official Air Conditioning testing. I’ve always wanted to know which cars did a better job of cooling and heating.
Fair and balanced review as usual, Mark. A few points... () The midsize sedan market continues to shrink as it has for about six years. The decline is especially harsh in the COVID challenged 2020 calendar year and especially in the SUV crazy US marketplace. Nevertheless, as Mark Twain said about the appearance of his obituary in various newspapers, "The reports of my death are highly exaggerated." Even with the impact of COVID-19 and massive economic pain and uncertainty In the first half of 2020 KIA and Hyundai have managed to sell a total of over 69,000 Optimas (38.8K) and Sonatas (30.2K) in the US before their new models were available. The combined sales ranked third behind the Camry and Accord among mainstream midsize sedans, virtually tied with the Nissan Altima. Considering that Mazda was able to sell only 8000 Mazda6's and Subaru sold only 11,000 Legacy sedans in the first half of the year, the Korean manufacturers are in relatively good shape. Furthermore, despite the worldwide popularity of SUVs, sedans remain more popular in international markets and both Hyundai and KIA depend to a great extent on their home market in Korea (and other Asian markets) where the K5 and Sonata sell well. So it's not surprising to see the brands double down on midsize sedans. () The Optima's name change to K5 follows a trend that manufacturers routinely employ to reinforce their improved prestige as major international brands and unique national monikers are replaced by universal model designations. (An extreme example was Nissan renamed the entire "Datsun" brand to match the corporate name.) The Optima has been long been called the K5 in Korea and other international markets and the K# designation applies to their entire lineup of sedans. The Forte is known as the K3. The Cadenza is the K7 in Korea and their top model sedan, the K900, is known as the K9. (Apparently KIA decided that having a model that sounded like a dog (i.e. Canine) wasn't a good look in the US.) Regardless, the "K#" designation lends some consistency to the entire KIA sedan line-up. () The comment that the K5 feels "sportier" than the near identical Sonata (2:44) is right on (imo). Despite using identical components for the most part the KIA and Hyundai design teams are completely separate and the two brands do an awesome job of designing closely related models that appeal to slightly different market sub-segments (e.g. Telluride vs Palisade; Sorento vs Santa Fe, Forte vs Elantra, etc.) Personally, I find the KIA design language simpler, more elegant, and more appealing than Hyundai's "fussier" image. (Lookin' at you, Palisade) but YMMV. In any event, the K5 projects a more "conventional" look without the Sonata's "Big Mouth Billy Bass" grill. () It will be interesting to see more detailed reviews of the new 2.5L turbo engine that will be available as a performance option in both the Sonata and the K5. In fact, it's an engine (in distinct states of tune) that appears in other Korean brands' vehicles, as well. The 2021 KIA Sorento replaces its V6 with the turbo 4 as its "performance" option and Genesis offers it as the base engine in their GV80 SUV. I'm not aware of whether it will be offered in the 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe but I wouldn't be surprised. It's noteworthy that the new engine employs "dual" injection (port and direct). That should eliminate the noisy (but largely unsubstantiated in the case of KIA/Hyundai) complaints that GDI engines suffer from valve carbon buildup. Frankly, I'm inclined to see it as "market engineering" but that's a personal opinion. In any event there's no question that judging solely from specs (an often risky practice) the new engine should match the performance of the Accord 2.0L turbo and the Camry NA V6. But as noted in the video the question will be how effectively the drive train can put the power down on acceleration.
I had a 2013 Optima SX and I completely agree with your comments on the traction control. There were a couple of times where I needed to quickly make a left turn on a busy road, only to have the traction control almost bring the car to a complete stop. This can definitely create dangerous situations, and I ended up just manually putting the car in 2nd if I knew I had to make a quick left turn like that. Great video as always!
Yep. My 2013 Optima LX (base) has the same issue. I always disable the traction control when I get in it.
I also had a '13 Optima SX! Sold it after 8 months because I couldn't stand how it drove. It was also incredibly loud inside. They put all the money into styling and features and none into the mechanicals or refinement. I sold it to my FIL who loves it! With AWD + the 2.5T and proper stability control calibration this could have been a contendah.
Same, had to fully disable mine in snow. Drove better with it off on snow tires. Press and hold the Stability Control button for over 3 seconds.
You should ask us Genesis coupe owners what we call the traction control, the "neck breaker", it stops the car incredibly violent especially when you are expecting it to accelerate but it does the opposite.
Sometimes even when you disable the traction control the stability control is still on and when you hit the apex of a corner and the body rolls... it will cut your throttle input to the engine. So if you're making a quick maneuver to save your life for someone else's and you caused the little level to hit its maximum range the ECU cuts throttle. In a lot of new cars you can turn off the traction but you can't turn off the stability or the yaw control all the way.
This, Kia, is what happens when you don't let this man keep a car for a week. You get the back waxing jokes.
*The pathetic attempt to cram Bible Class, illegal waxing and Anal Sphincter in the same line!* :) Leave the comedy to the Brits, guys. Just stick to the review. Comedy's not your cup of tea! :)))))))))))
Nachiket Dhende he’s funny, you can watch other reviewers. The brits are literally the unfunniest people on the planet.
@@nachiketdhende8681 In what world are the Brits funny? I hope that was sarcasm.
@@nachiketdhende8681 I really hope you were being sarcastic!
but the Brits are funny. just have a gallon of water ready for drinking as their humor's a bit dry.
i guess if you get on all 4's in that back seat, you can have your back and scrotum waxed in a short period of time.
“10 inches, that’s typically how I roll...” 😂
My ES has 12"...just saying...
If you liked this k5 review you'll love this
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Lmao this was excellent
how original
he sneaked that one in there, nasty azz lol
I'm sure Kia appreciates their review containing the words "anal sphincter."
😂😂
its what they get for only letting him have it for one day lol
It's also a bit redundant. I don't think there's a sphincter on any other part of the human body.
😂😂😂👏🏻
@@trowercroy153 I thought the human body had dozens of sphincters.
Oh my God, that bit at 4:17 and the thing with the trunk. Thanks for making my morning, Mark. This is why I love your videos.
My sides hurt from laughing.
Yeah lol i had to rewind and replay that bit hahabah
I love this channel.
I love that you love this channel
@@CravenTheDarkLord I love that you love that they love this channel.
Then why don't you marry it.
@@PianoBlackTrimRep.
It gave me the clap.
@@wking8 simp
That air filter trick at 6:30 is ingenious!
My jaws, literally, dropped. Why didn't anyone think of this before?
It has been like that for Hyundai/Kia products since around 2015 models. :)
And before the Koreans started doing this Infiniti and Nissan have several vehicles with similar easy access filters
Well, I do that with my regular charger from the lighter port. I have a mount for a phone attached on one of the ventilator ports, and when my phone is there it is cooled. Interesting thing is it charges faster, because the battery doesn't get hot. Win, win ,win :D
Nissan has been doing this for about 10 years now. Not sure about other brands but I assume others do it to
Goose saves his dirtiest reviews for the midsize family mobiles. SAVAGE
All the body lines are hinting at a lift back. So disappointed that it’s just a regular trunk :-(
Ya, it’s like why not go the extra mile ?
Because that would undermine a key selling point of the stinger
I thought so as well
i was convinced when he got to the trunk part that it did that. I was like "oh shit its like the stinger in the back" and then it opened and i lost my boner
@@ConLLee tmi.
Hands down best car channel with regular cars and throttle house. Production value is aggressively good, leaving me bruised by 8 minutes every time
Also whenever the audio review graphics show, I ascend
Behemoth!
Also, Zos KIA Cultus lmao
Bruised?
"10 inches is how i roll" and being able to man groom in the back is all i needed to hear. Sold.
Savagegeese please don’t change anything on this channel. It is perfect! Your reviews are perfect, your editing is perfect! You have a wonderful consistency that I can expect from every video, And I thank you for that. Looking forward to many more vids!
Hyundai and Kia make good cars now, unlike Nissan
Nissan's been screwing themselves for a while now.... especially with their CVT
Exactly, Nissan has gone backwards quality wise
Unlike GM as well. You would have to be mad to get a Malibu over this. They're right in line in price.
(that said, nobody buys a Malibu at MSRP, they're all heavily discounted)
@@jaysefmacmanus8858 Malibu looks better. I bet it's more reliable too.
@@kdrguru yes definitly the Kia is more reliable. GM is long gone, except for the C8
This is vintage-style Goose -- love it.
"It's totally comfortable to get bent over on this thing. And I guess that is a great time to talk abo..." lmao that cut.
Hahaha just great
He was really about to go off the deep end, so it needed a hasty cut. 😆
Lots of zingers in this video.
Surprised Kia didn't make the K5 into a Stinger-lite.
One of the issues with Kia is there is zero cohesion across their lineup. The grille is loosely similar but it seems like they experiment heavily on each model.
@@cwx8 I had heard that they were doing their Forte line as Baby Stingers, but Fortes are too small to serve my needs so I never bothered to find out.
The GT with AWD almost fulfills that role. Basically destroys the need for the base level Stinger
@@air-headedaviator1805 Plus the Kia Forte GT with the manual is frigging' good. Zero rev-hang, and really nice and punchy. Only thing is, I had just gotten out of a GTI so it wasn't worth it to me to trade it in...
splatbubble oh a GT trim with a manual? Thats nice. Most American focused products omit manuals past base trims now
I said it before and I'll say it again. This channel has the best music to go with the video. Love it!
If Goose a jazz fan, then we all win.
I'm getting more and more surprised by Korea cars and more and more disappointed by Japanese cars recently
Scotty Kilmer leaves the chat.
Japanese cars will never blow you away, that's how they maintain the reliability reputation, they don't take risks
Same. The new TLX looks really good but I can’t say the same for Lexus’ new IS.
@@khoaphan8490 probably because they didn't actually do a 'new' IS since unlike Acura their design wasn't 20yrs old.
Youll love this k5 review
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Thank you for mentioning the terrible traction control. I have owned a Kia Optima and now an Elentra GT and the issue is the same. I will pull in to oncoming traffic and need to be aggressive and at times it will just kill the engine and I swear I am going to get killed because even after you are straight the engine is still severally restricted. Now I have gotten to the point of turning off traction control in these situations.
Can it accelerate hard if you roll into the throttle rather than floor it? I.E., avoid the wheelspin then nail it once revs are past where it can break the tires loose? Truly curious to know the answer.
@@jsfbay1 It will sometimes kick in before you have wheel spin. the engine literally just dies and the peddle basically becomes non responsive no matter how you push it down. It's insane and incredibly unsafe and I have never experienced this with another car.
My Optima was a 2011 and had this issue and my Elentra GT is a 2018 and is exactly the same. It is totally random and when it happens you go "oh shit" as you know you are screwed for the next 3-5 seconds before you have access to the full power.
Weird, I have a 2017 Optima SXL and have not had this problem.
It's not a terrible traction control, just not built for sporty driving. There is only so much traction you get on a mainstream, economy, car with skinny tires.
I have a 16 optima sxl and as long as I don’t floor it and turn the wheel from a stop this isn’t issue. It’s never been an issue in what I would call normal driving.
I am shooketh. He said *sphincter*
I’m not even in the market for a new car but I watch every video. Keep up the good work!
This car looks like a Decepticon; it could have a role in a Transformers movie.
Thanks for uploading in 4k really appreciate it. Looks fabulous on my 75" TV.
The only review that matters. And the only reviewer that didn't piss his pants about how awesome K5 is, great job man!
True
Disagree
can we talk about how easy that air filter was to take out 🤯
I'm sure you don't need to ask permission 👍🏼
As far as I know Nissan and apparently Kia are the only brands that do that with the air filter
@@spletest8977 same with hyundai, I checked the filter for my mom's 2019 santa fe and was suprised how simple it was to take out
A few latches can do the same while being cheaper and less complicated in design.
@@jacobrael9872 I mean, mechanically Hyundai and Kia are mostly the same anyway
Fact: the jazz music was created by Mr. Geese playing the skin flute.
That sexy jazz music.. Mr. Goose you set a standard. 👏🏻
Lets be honest, 95% of the buyers for this car dont give a crap about the way it drives.
True, but Kia (under Biermann) wants buyers to actually give a crap about its drivability, since they're target-demographic is younger, and their cars are sportier than Hyundai.
But it sounds like it may be a little bit too crappy of a driving experience, normies like boring but they aren't gonna like those acceleration issues with the traction control going wild. There's a difference between fun to drive, boring to drive, and crappy to drive. The K5 is somewhere between boring and crappy, not a good place. The fact that you have to spend well north of $30,000 to get decent power or AWD option puts KIA solidly out of the budget car segment too. At least the exterior and interior looks a lot better I guess?
Ridiculous statement, of course people want a car that drives well. Do think a person after a test drive would buy if it drove badly? No. There are degrees in how cars drive, of course. Based on what kind of car you want. A BULLET Mustang is a high performance car, and will drive accordingly. Not to be compared to a family sedan. Doesn't mean that the sedan shouldn't handle decently, but no one expects it to handle like a Porsche. And lots of car ENTHUSIASTS, buy regular, sedans all the time.
The better way to look at it, the transmission and engine does everything that the targeted market wants.
I have a 16 optima sxl and have test driven this. There is only one time when this issue comes up - when you turn the wheel and floor it from a dead stop. What to do? Don’t floor it when turning the wheel from a dead stop. Otherwise it drives really, really nice for the average person. Meaning it’s smooth cruiser that can punch past a slow poke in the highway.
Always concise and to the point reviews and I really appreciate the high quality jazz music. Iam looking forward to the K5 2.5 turbo review! Jazz music is the only way to roll!
That interior review was funny AF😂🤣😂🤣
Its way better than all the other channels on YT. The details are crisp, video part 10/10 and never boring. A huge effort results in this kind of content.
My 16 sonata has a similar air box setup and filter changes are so easy. Loving the content as always, this is the only channel that actually puts a car on the lift.
"10 inches... Which is typically how I roll" lmao
Now if we could only upgrade the stinger interior to look like this :-/
Exactly
It will get updated with the mid cycle refresh
Kia has come a long way. Their early cars were low-end but you could tell they were trying to make the most of the kit. The new models are pretty darn good.
The last time I was this early, Marisol Patel was still learning how to drive a manual.
I was taking a drink when he talked about waxing immediately went into my sinuses. 😆🤣
I really hope kia keeps making sedans. They have come so far over the last 10 years. This is by far the best looking car in this segment
I always love when you add in your sense of humor to these reviews. Another video knocked out of the park!
Mark is always good for laughs on Monday morning! Love this channel.
Really good points about traction control tuning. I had a Kia Stinger GT2 and moved to a 2020 M340i, mostly because of Kia's lack of powertrain polish. Even with stability control completely deactivated it would still intervene and upset chassis balance. Some manufacturers just get it right out of the box, but for the moment I don't think Hyundai\Kia are among them. They make excellent products for the typical driver, continue to improve and perfect aspects of the user experience that no one else is even thinking about, and I don't hesitate to recommend them to friends & family. But as a driving enthusiast I find their sheer driving enjoyment and powertrain engineering to be really lacking.
Fricken love your videos man keep the jokes and awesome work coming!!
Simplicity, reliability, value for money !!! 👌🏆👍
Spent a week with an LXS and was surprised in a good way. Did a full POV driving review over on BTTD.
HUGE LOADS of sarcasm
Almost as big as the loads he is dumping in that trunk.
Tailgating party, HAHA, nearly spit out my coffee
“Getting arrested” yeah sure
This is the perfect video to have on in the background while I'm folding my laundry
5 min in and i realize this is the best review ever. im a hairy guy and been looking for a car to do special waxing when i cant go to the wax bar.
When geese makes me a video for my birthday :D
absolute savage review😂
The music in the opening sequence reminds me of what I hear every time I walk into a Olive Garden
I first discovered your channel with your 2016 Kia Optima review. Full circle.
I don’t laugh at your jokes but I would really miss them if they were gone. Keep at it.
I can’t imagine trying to turn that thing and accelerate on a wet road lol
I have owned my K5 GT LINE with premium package now for 7 months. Have never spun the tires taking off from a stop. Just don't slam on the gas and it takes off just fine. I like it very much. Its a very nice car.
The amount of casual trolling... next level
My mustang has a 7” and my wife loves it. Just saying..
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are we still talking cars?
It’s a pony though. Hhahaah
It’s not a last stand if it was a suicide mission to begin with. 😂
“Totally comfortable to get bent over on this thing” LMFAO...subscribed just for this
0:32 that perspective change was truly hitchcockian
Nice car, but the trunk opening is a joke. Fastback sedans like this one should be 5-door hatchbacks. Makes more sense. Like my old 07 Mazda 6i 5-door was.
Good luck selling it. Thats the stinger's market
The 10th gen civic did a pretty good job with their fastback sedan design.
This design trend is what ruins it for sedan fans. Looks like a liftback but without the practical advantage of it.
I either want a hatchback or if I want a sedan then I want a proper surface I can put things on. (Another reason why I love the S2000. Proper trunk lid and so small and handy so that it never feels clunky.)
Omfg.. hair removal specialist 🤣😭 I just died . . Well nearly did, I spit my redbull all over my phone!
I just bought the GT Line with AWD. The car feels very stable through corners, but acceleration isn't going to hurt your neck.
Price isn't going to hurt my wallet and decent gas mileage will be nice for a change.
Congrats. We liked our time in an LXS so much we kicked off our channel with a POV review.
Elena and her wax kit...u killing me LOOOOOL. GREAT WORK LIKE 19838482 TIMES BEFORE!!
The fact that the DRLs are orange really bothers me...
Guess I am waiting for the Toyota GR86 next year :)
I’m waiting for the GR Corolla
@@brodiwheeler7583 yeah its more practical, depends what engine they put in there for me
101chickendance I’ll take that 3-Popper from the GR Yaris!
4:28 Bro that escalated QUICKLY! 😂😂😂
He is the Dana White if car reviews!
I love the really fast hashtags you put in these videos! I like when they're so fast that you have to go back and pause it. It's a fun little easter egg. Tatianna agrees.
I'm just glad this isn't another damn crossover or suv review !
Thank god for humor AND quality car reviews in the same video. Thank you
The best car show on CZcams. Love it! I keep checking for new videos every day. I miss the technology videos that were promised.....
I can't lie, Kia and Hyundai are giving Toyota & Honda a run for their money. Definitely changing the sedan game.
there are 3 type of buyer, people who buy for look, people who buy for power, people who buy for reliability.
Yeah maybe in the looks department, but there powers trains left a lot to be desired in reliability.
Even their resale value on older models are still holding strong, it really surprised and continues to amaze me
@@kromahj Good points, usually when you buy for power or looks you often have to sacrifice reliability.
@Chris Ray Had no idea the safety wasn't up to scratch, good to know.
The back side view looks heavy, the Stingers looks better
The stinger is better
jayknight139 they generally try to do that when they want double the price for a car in the same brand
I own this car
It’s the GT Line
And it’s a peppy car ..
And is very fun to drive
One of the best I’ve ever owned as far as that goes .
I have enjoyed it
Spent a week with an LXS and loved it so much we did a POV review if it.
I am a big fan of your work, But i have a small complain to your final impression section. If this K5 is not a great driver's car in this category please suggests few names too. So that it would be easy to the viewers. Keep doing your best work. You are one of the best unbiased car reviewer.
What a weird looking SUV. Is this one of those "car" things I heard people used to buy?
To be fair to the car, US SUVs cannot easily be sold outside the US due to them not meeting European safety regulations for hitting people outside the SUV. This car will barely sell in the US while selling well outside.
Well its certainly less hideous than the Sonata. It is kind of a low bar though. Oh. My. God. That. Airbox. Tho. ❤️
Bud you are VERY entertaining!
Bravo and thank you for tremendous reviews!
Always catching up with any Savageese uploads right here in Africa, Kenya. Boy is your stuff becoming more addictive!!!
Funniest car review ever 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Give Mark one day to see the car you get ass crack hair and old wax strips left in the back seat. How ya like that Kia?
Mechanical Extravaganza. Production quality through the roof
Hi Mark, It's great that you guys come up with all those fancy and detailed audio tests and graphs, BUT I bet no percentage of your viewers understand those when you show them in a blink. I'd suggest to explain them to make them worth your time and so the viewers time.
The problem with this car is Mazda.
How is that a problem? Optima sells 5X more than Mazda 6
@@NikolaevAlexander so? Just because they outsell Mazda it doesn't mean it's a better car.
@hiroshima thompson it's still not a better car then the Mazda.
@@kevinnorwood7355 I didn't say its a better car; but the fact that its outselling 5:1, means Mazda is not a problem for kia (owned by hyundai). And I drive Mazda, just FYI
Stinger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optima
Also Stinger has a hatchback.
Stinger starts at $33k
K5 starts at $23k
I mean...it costs like 20-30k more so so yeah
Audi S7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stinger
I feel stupid too now.
The subtle humor makes this channel. I can't tell you how many double takes I've done 😂
Hyundai and Kia really stepping up their sedan game to pick up the slack left by Ford
oh man that front looks sick with the led strips and the big grille. they sure know how to make the modern design trends look amazing.
The K5 actually looks real nice from the outside. That grill gives it an aggressive grin. It just needs a 4 wheel drive and a hatchback trunk. And a way to tone down the traction control.
The Kia Stinger has AWD, a hatchback body, and no traction control problems thanks to its rear wheel drive platform. Yes, I drive a Stinger. :-)
This is going to be the first channel to do official Air Conditioning testing. I’ve always wanted to know which cars did a better job of cooling and heating.
Fair and balanced review as usual, Mark. A few points...
() The midsize sedan market continues to shrink as it has for about six years. The decline is especially harsh in the COVID challenged 2020 calendar year and especially in the SUV crazy US marketplace. Nevertheless, as Mark Twain said about the appearance of his obituary in various newspapers, "The reports of my death are highly exaggerated."
Even with the impact of COVID-19 and massive economic pain and uncertainty In the first half of 2020 KIA and Hyundai have managed to sell a total of over 69,000 Optimas (38.8K) and Sonatas (30.2K) in the US before their new models were available. The combined sales ranked third behind the Camry and Accord among mainstream midsize sedans, virtually tied with the Nissan Altima. Considering that Mazda was able to sell only 8000 Mazda6's and Subaru sold only 11,000 Legacy sedans in the first half of the year, the Korean manufacturers are in relatively good shape. Furthermore, despite the worldwide popularity of SUVs, sedans remain more popular in international markets and both Hyundai and KIA depend to a great extent on their home market in Korea (and other Asian markets) where the K5 and Sonata sell well. So it's not surprising to see the brands double down on midsize sedans.
() The Optima's name change to K5 follows a trend that manufacturers routinely employ to reinforce their improved prestige as major international brands and unique national monikers are replaced by universal model designations. (An extreme example was Nissan renamed the entire "Datsun" brand to match the corporate name.) The Optima has been long been called the K5 in Korea and other international markets and the K# designation applies to their entire lineup of sedans. The Forte is known as the K3. The Cadenza is the K7 in Korea and their top model sedan, the K900, is known as the K9. (Apparently KIA decided that having a model that sounded like a dog (i.e. Canine) wasn't a good look in the US.) Regardless, the "K#" designation lends some consistency to the entire KIA sedan line-up.
() The comment that the K5 feels "sportier" than the near identical Sonata (2:44) is right on (imo). Despite using identical components for the most part the KIA and Hyundai design teams are completely separate and the two brands do an awesome job of designing closely related models that appeal to slightly different market sub-segments (e.g. Telluride vs Palisade; Sorento vs Santa Fe, Forte vs Elantra, etc.) Personally, I find the KIA design language simpler, more elegant, and more appealing than Hyundai's "fussier" image. (Lookin' at you, Palisade) but YMMV. In any event, the K5 projects a more "conventional" look without the Sonata's "Big Mouth Billy Bass" grill.
() It will be interesting to see more detailed reviews of the new 2.5L turbo engine that will be available as a performance option in both the Sonata and the K5. In fact, it's an engine (in distinct states of tune) that appears in other Korean brands' vehicles, as well. The 2021 KIA Sorento replaces its V6 with the turbo 4 as its "performance" option and Genesis offers it as the base engine in their GV80 SUV. I'm not aware of whether it will be offered in the 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe but I wouldn't be surprised.
It's noteworthy that the new engine employs "dual" injection (port and direct). That should eliminate the noisy (but largely unsubstantiated in the case of KIA/Hyundai) complaints that GDI engines suffer from valve carbon buildup. Frankly, I'm inclined to see it as "market engineering" but that's a personal opinion. In any event there's no question that judging solely from specs (an often risky practice) the new engine should match the performance of the Accord 2.0L turbo and the Camry NA V6. But as noted in the video the question will be how effectively the drive train can put the power down on acceleration.
Just catching up to this old video. Great writing and review as usual,.
Oh man I got a good chuckle out of this after a hard day. Thank you, sir
That air filter servicing at 6:26 is pretty satisfying
The banter with the camera feels really natural lately, can't wait to see where you dudes end up in 10-15 years.
Always appreciate the content and information. I love the small details involved in your vids. Keep up the great work.
Love your honest reviews bro! Starting to become my favourite car review channel, keep it up!
The quality of the audio in the intro was amazing!
Love this review.
this guy videos are of extremely high quality.