A Incredibly Timely Examination of Marvel's "Diversity Problem"
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- God, I'm so fucking timely with this! And isn't it great when you spend three hours uploading a video, then add annotations and cards, only to then realise you have a solid minute of black space you forgot to fill and have to rerender, reupload and reannotate?
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"Did anyone really plan to have Natalie Portman star in a Thor film as the main character?"
Yeah....so about that....
big oof
I don't get why. In the films Jane Foster had nothing to her but "Thor's girlfriend."
Nope she’s coming back for the next Thor film. Good thing femal Thors’s thing is slowly dying from cancer
@@jettlucashayes8508 i hope it isint gonna be slow
And now the new Thor movie might be the worst ever MCU movie. Awks...
Gotta also love how they killed off war machine just so people wouldn’t say “hey why isn’t war machine just Ironman now since he is a person who already has been Ironman and has a large fan base instead of this teenage girl who nobody cares about.”
I would argue its less about "Diversity" that's killing Marvel, and more the reskinning of successful characters and IP's under the guise of "Diversity" to monetise on "untapped" demographics.
They don't wanna risk making a *New* black/gay/trans/"insert what you wish here" character when they can capitalise on a existing characters popularity and make a quick dollar off of those who feel under-represented, instead of creating new, fleshed out, interesting characters.
Miles Morales and Black Panther are the only comic characters I’ve identified with on a race level. Marvel used the guise of diversity to shield themselves from criticism of boring or uninteresting characters. Having more POC, LGBTQ+, and female representation is not and should never be a bad thing but if the characters lack any qualities that make them unique/interesting besides the ones they were born, there’s gonna be a problem.
Considering what happened when they tried to create new characters for the New Warriors and how they were recieved but then again they did feel very stereotypical of millennials through the view of someone who hates them and their use of arguement starting words for hero names was probably the catalyst for their hate.
@@2phonebabykeem913 "race level"? What does that even mean?
It's funny you bring up the X-Men female characters. Being a long term fan of X-Men, I can't help but be extremely skeptical at all the cries of "diversity" and modern comics being "progressive", since I've seen better written and less blunt examples of these things for decades. You won't find any other team book with a wider, naturally created pool of diverse characters in comics. Such is the point of the allegory of Mutants, after all. Everyone has representation in X-Men
I saw a recent review online of a Ms. Marvel book, wherein a fan was declaring what a great, "unique" and progressive step she was towards diversity. I pointed out X-Men already had at least two high profile muslim characters within the past 20-30 years (M in Generation X and Dusk in New X-Men). Combined with the fact she effectively has Mr Fantastic's powerset, there is very little at all in Ms. Marvel that hasn't been done before.
15:25 Exactly what X-Men has been doing since the 70's. Other than Jubilee, virtually every female X-Man, from Jean Grey to Storm to Rogue, has been nearly unstoppable at their peak.
(Me a Jubilee fan) :’{
@@KeyBladeMaster-Dan Jubilee can use her fireworks anywhere though. In someone's eyes, their hands, their heart, their brain. I think Emma Frost even said they could be used at a subatomic level with enough training.
@@KeyBladeMaster-Dan In her mini-series with Wolverine, she ran fast enough to keep up with a teleporter and beat the snot out of Wolverine with his motorcycle.
As silly as the Vampire thing sounded, it actually ended up having a lot of potential for her. Potential that was never used, but that's Marvel for ya.
Jubilee could learn a thing or two from Bakugo
Oh they said why thor lost his hammer and its dumb.... really dumb... yah know what I'm explaining it... the story.
Thor lost his hammer because he whispered "Gorr was right" meaning to thor "no god is worthy". So many things is wrong with that whole thing,
1. Why would Thor care? - he leaves Asgard on a regular bases and helps save earth plenty of times over, but some how he consider himself unworthy because Gorr says so.
2. Mystery- At first I thought the whisper was some secret magic Asgardian language that only the gods could understand or something, which would make more sense. But because they told me, its far worst then the speculation.
3. Jane Foster worthy- This is the worst part because it has so many holes, how did she get to the hammer with cancer(it was on the moon)? Isn't there anyone else far more deserving then Jane? And why is she worthy, is it because of the cancer? Does Cancer make you auto-worthy? I assume from the writing that because she so STRONG to not accept magic as a cure for her cancer because... it has a price or something. But is completely compelled to use the magical hammer that resets her chemotherapy every time she uses it. "I must be thor, its the only way" type of garbage.
4. She never told Thor until very late in the issue because... I don't know, something about not making him feel bad. Which he already felt bad anyway to the point of ditching his birth name with the hammer.
5. War Thor- Now as much as I liked War thor after they showed him, But before we were all jazzed to finally see Thor... Odinson eh. Finally get a hammer back and become not just thor but the best thor with the most power hammer in existence. Only to blueball everyone and make him use it once and say its not mine though **shrug**.
There so much more I could talk about but it would be all day,
Why didn’t you mention who gorr was, he’s like a pretty big deal in the Thor comics
I mean it was explained that heimdall bifrosted her ass to the moon
This video deserves WAY MORE views.
2 things: first- why couldn't Jane Foster take the name Thunderstrike, a character who's been dead for years. second- Titania (the one who surrendered to her) in her first appearance beat She-hulk half to death for getting on her nerves.
That's because her name was "SHE-Hulk" and not just "Hulk."
"Did anyone really plan to have Natalie Portman star in Thor 4 as the main character, probably not."
...hindsight makes fools of us all...
Future person here laughing
I REALLY hate female Thor. Instead of replacing Thor with a woman, why did they not just bring back and promote the one they already have: THOR GIRL? She would have been a much better choice.
Who?
Or just introduce no new character as this universe is already cluttered enough!
Omnarrator right there are way too many characters
Considering that there are female norse gods, as well as other 'entities' such as the Valkyries, they should have, instead of trying to replace an existing male character with a female, one that is generally 'used a lot' in Marvel, that they instead conjure a new heroine akin to Thor that is based on an existing norse goddess or entities such as the Valkyries...
Jane Foster could EASILY have been her own hero on the level of Thor. Have her die from her cancer and be dragged to Hel (because her relationship with Thor makes her applicable for the Norse afterlife). There, you just redo the World War Hulk story-line crossed with Dante's Inferno. Sorted. Jane returns to life with Fire magic (to offset the icy cold of Hel) and healing (since she's a doctor) and becomes a Norse Phoenix heroine who uses a spear/staff. Her armour can look like Thor's because he was her frame of reference for a hero, but past that the two are distinct from each other. Easy!
That could work.
That sounds awesome and metal as hell
Or Jane can gain super-speed to contrast her boyfriend's super-strength.
Dude that's pretty smart.
I wanna read that book!
When Marvel revealed that Ben Riley was "The true son of Mary and Richard Parker" and had him replace Peter as Spider-Man, it was met with backlash. There was nothing wrong with Ben Riley as a character, on the contrary, when he became Scarlet Spider alongside Peter as Spider-Man, he was great! It was the fact that Ben was supposed to replace Peter that annoyed people - and Ben wasn't even a minority being pandered to, as a clone of Peter, he was another straight, white, cis-male - now the exact same thing is happening, and apparently Marvel don't have the wherewithal to open their eyes and realise "hey, this is the same that happened with the backlash about Ben Riley" and instead are blaming sales losses on the fact that a lot of characters are minorities. No. It's because you're replacing beloved characters that have been around for decades with random new characters no one knows about! See, this sort of thing is why I'm an advocate of the sidekick trope; it allows a new character to be brought in alongside existing characters, allow them time to get the audience invested in them and then get their own book once an audience know who they are. In DC, when Wally West replaced Barry Allen as The Flash, that wasn't some new guy coming out of the blue, it was Barry's former protege taking up his mantle after his death - and as a result, that's something that was more readily accepted. If Riri Williams had spent a few years training under Tony Stark and using the Iron Man tech, and then replacing him at a later date even if it were temporary, I'd bet people would be more accepting of that. But no, the only sidekick that the big-two bother maintaining is Robin and even then, that's probably because it's become more of a tradition than anything. I personally think that Marvel or DC should try brining in a sidekick other than Robin, it'd give them someone who potentially could replace their mentor later on with less trouble than is being had with characrs just appearing out of nowhere, AND it'd give the existing characters someone new to work with which in and of itself could open up a lot more potential for new stories! Or... y'know... they could keep crowbarring in new characters to completley replace the old ones and blaming the subsequent failures on diversity....
It could even be as simple as John Diggle in Arrow - a guy who helps out in any way he's needed and who can fill in if the main hero isn't available. Riri could be a fresh young mind who Tony sees potential in and takes under his wing, and who gives some suggestions for Tony to implement into his suit. Then, Tony is taken out of action by whatever Thanos-related event they'll inevitably do to tie in to the Infinity War films, allowing Riri to take over for a couple years.
The4thSnake. But Oliver was never really gone. He was either out of town following a lead or with someone. As for Diggle, he became Spartan his own persona. Rather than taking Oliver's. Whereas Tony is now the AI and mentors to Riri who took his name. So to me, it feels like Tony is still in the room and this no name just stole his name and armor.
This video's section on Lady Thor certainly aged well with Thor 4 coming.
So.....all the years Titana (Absorbing Man's wife) had been fighting She-Hulk, she magically never respected a female hero then??
The fucking pandering makes me laugh 🙄
I'm watching this 3 years later and Maan captain Marvel's still hasn't recovered from this, will she ever, I don't know
It's also not fair to the people that got in through the movies. Someone wants to pick up Iron Man for the continuing wacky hyjinks of Tony and they get Riri. It's complete garbage all around.
This is also a really good point. Tony is the prime example because he's only as popular as he is now because of the films and RDJ's portrayal, and people REALLY like that version of Tony.
This aged well cause its even worse now
I was enraged by the death of Bruce Banner. Amadeus was a great character in his own right, so I was annoyed they had him take The Hulk.
But the way Bruce was killed was a fecking insult. Arrow to the head because he might go on a rampage.
Hulk was a hero! But Marvel did everything they could to ruin him and Banner.
I think the flaw of Marvel comics is the same as DC. The shared universe. It always confused me why Mutants were hated and feared in a world that had super powered types as heroes. They have done better in their own world.
I'm not saying they should all be separated (The Avengers work best with diversity), but I gave up on Marvel because it was just too much.
Hell, the Punisher works best away from the rest of the Marvel U.
Well at least we got Immortal Hulk comic. Its GREAT
This video is currently 3 years old, but that being said: it’s sad to see all this. Whenever we critique marvel, the writers call us sexist, racist, misogynist. All for pointing out valid things.theres a war going on between the people who’ve been reading comics for the last 15+ years of comics and (mostly) marvel, because they’re tone deaf and unwilling to change.
Probably because everyone isn’t a reasonable critics and there at in fact a lot of sexist/racist people especially on Twitter who end up being our straw men
As odd this may sound the Marvel Avengers Assemble cartoon actually did the Jane Foster Thor thing better than the comics one in an attempt to save her life, 2 he lets her keep the hammer while Loki has the power of the sorcerer suprime in the office either because he knows he needs all the help he can get and at the end Odin makes up make's her thunderstrike rather than and just letting her keep the hammer giving her her own identity as a superhero, sort of, and pretty much did the same thing as was done to Beta Ray Bill and the actual thunder strike of the comics.
Like you said, at least Kamala Khan and Sam Wilson add something new to the table of the respective mantles they are taking. Heck, Carol brings something new to the Captain Marvel mantle in the form of absorbing energy, even energy from enemy attacks, and using that energy to boost her energy projection. Jane Foster as Thor adds NOTHING new to the table.
She is slowly dying and every time she transforms it gets worse, it’s like they did’t even read the book
@@jettlucashayes8508 Okay, that could have worked for Jane Foster as Thor if they explored that concept more IN-STORY. That could have been her answer to Kryptonite, her weakness being that her human form is dying of cancer.
aside from the fact that she brings nothing new it puts down the entire thor 1 movie that worthiness should be attained and not given which exactly happened here
Why isn't Sam Wilson captain America named Eagle. Ya know birds+America
I wish we could call him Captain Falcon 😭😂
Preach. It’s not the fact that they’re becoming more diverse which is way more realistic, it’s how they treat it. They make it seem as though it is revolutionary when it’s been around for a while. They should be normalising it rather than implementing racism, sexism and homophobia in it
No, bad story telling is killing Marvel. They just use diversity as an excuse for why their stories are failing.
I like your ideas of female Thor better.
As you should. I actually put some thought into mine.
And the problem has only gotten worse
Still relevant video
I remember reading that comic with Absorbing Man and Titania. I remember being annoyed that his first reaction was "Feminists ruin everything!" And not "Thor?! You're a girl now? Did you get a curse put on you, my man?" Like, that would have made so much more sense, given the world they're in!
That would've been hilarious.
It’s crazy how relevant this video is in 2021 lmao
Since this video, boring She-Hulk is now Just-Hulk. It's clear that all the iconic titles are being assigned to these replacement characters, while most all new titles are women or diverse characters (gay, Muslim, PoC, lesbian, etc). Given that the old, great Marvel story-telling has also been jettisoned, all that free marketing worth billions from the MCU movies has just been thrown away.
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My problem with stories that make us choose a side is that they never bother to give us a legit reason for it. I don't like taking sides especially when both sides or multiples sides are wrong or they are doing questionable things. Choosing sides is something that has to be chosen carefully, and both sides have to give a good reason to be chosen.
Unfortunately most of the time neither side has given us a legit reason to choose them. Which is why I refuse to choose a side since no one has given me a reason for it. This is why I remain neutral about the Alliance and the Horde from World of Warcraft or Marvel Civil War 2 or the Real Life. The only time I choose a side was in Marvel Civil War 1.
And I choose the Anti-Registration Group since they were defending themselves against the Pro-Registration Group who were acting complete asshole/bitch toward them.
"Hello new character, we're going to forcibly turn you into a character that everyone already knows and loves and just completely mutilate the chance of you being original in any way."
All this Jane Thor controversy could have easily been avoided simply by calling Jane Thunderstrike. Thor had that name in the 90s but most don't want to remember that era, so call Jane that name and redeem it.
Jane being Thunderstrike saves all the problems Jane Thor had and corrects them. She was also called this in the Avengers Assemble so why not do that for the comics?!
Jane should have been called Thunderstrike and calling her female Thor wouldn't have happened.
#RespectWahman
9:27 - on the panel with "STILL think I am your mother?" in it, Thor's face looks so bad. It just looks so derpy... I can't even...
If sif was turned into Thor, what if she could channel lightning from the hammer into a blade, can you play the pure lightning
Literally my whole thing is just "make new characters, don't shit on or replace the old ones". I'll support new characters if those 3 stipulations are followed
Honestly absorbing man being the asshole and titania being the bice one feels kind of backwards i remember at some point absorbing man straight up retired with titania if anything he´s a chill dude
Y’know, I’m obviously late for this, but I don’t think so. I mean yeah, there are diverse heroes, but it’s not a reason to say that the franchise in which the diversity lies in is dying. For instance, people love Miles Morales because of his character, regardless of his ethnicity and skin color. People love Wiccan and Hulking and don’t mind or are even bothered that the 2 are gay, and the rest is pretty much accepted. I’m NOT saying this video is bad and nor am I attacking it, I just don’t see diversity ruining Marvel
After Civil War 2, Carol Danvers is completely irredeemable. While it won't replace old memories of her, I have no interest in her upcoming film or any future stories. Even when she was proven wrong, she kept up her agenda.
@Kamil Szczęsny True. There was a time when Miss Marvel was an awesome character. MCU Carol from Endgame is just a blank nothing.
well....kind of glad that idea of Blade's daughter didnt happen. Yea, there was a plan for that, but Blade gets the stick in comics...dont get me wrong, it could have been a dope concept Blade and his child learning together (blade learning to be a father, fallon Grey learning the ways of a slayer......) but I have a feeling Marvel's writer's would screw it up
Probably as badly as the clone saga and hobgoblin am I right
And now at the end of Secret Empire, more 'diverse' titles have been canceled, and others have slipped below the profit-loss threshold. The talk of 'fixing' Marvel is spreading.
Titania would have pummelled Lady Thor for what happened to her (Titania's) husband.
I just want to see more Taskmaster or Moonknight. These characters have so much potential and are really well liked by people who know them, but they get ignored because they're not as popular as some of the other heavy hitters.
It's like being a DC charcter who isn't Batman.
I honestly hate how Taskmaster is a joke now.
Honestly I dont really want Moon Knight to be too big. One of the adavantages of being an obscure character is that the crazy stories they can tell. Which im pretty sure will get dumbed down for casual audience.
I think Jane Foster Thor could work, if they played it as a Dante dilemma. Like, her humanity is why Thor chose her to be his successor, and get godlike powers. Which would make sense for him because Jane opened his eyes to humanity.
But nah let’s make it a feminism thing i guess, fuck it.
Honestly, I know this is a old video, pretty old old now. But I'd thought this for a while.
But for Female Thor. Jane would've worked better if it was like the previous time Thor had been replaced. He died and her taking up the hammer is transforming/summoning herself into Thor. Could be based on her body, so still a woman.
That way Thorster here isn't a new character wholy but instread it could be a interesting approach to the two's relationship. It would also make her extreme skills with the powers make more sense, since she'd be Thor.
one extra thought is that the movies are doing so well it makes it hard for new people to start. let me eleborate
Oh iron man..... this isnt iron man? where's tony like in the movies?
Well captain america.... is falcon? well maybe
Thor and hulk they kick butt and take names..... wait thors a woman and hulk isnt angry and smashy?
etc
etc
basically having movies this good and popular that uses the expected stuff while having pretty much none of it in the movies makes it hard for people who only started in the movies join the comics.
I mean teeny bopper girl vision, gaurdians of the galaxy all over and split up with venom agent and kitty pryde? what? lots of examples but i think you see what i mean.
Problem is they don’t give creators a chance to explore their own ideas and themes
They do which is why we get stupid gotham high and new warrior's
Also marvel already has a new civil war, civil war part 3 the fandom war
And now Natalie Portman is going to be Thor on the movies.
It's funny how after this video came out, Jane Foster as Thor and Ironheart were announced to be in the MCU in the near future
And hindsight being what it is...Natalie Portman is Thor...
The reason why Thor lost his status as a God is because Nick Fury whispered to him that "Gorr was right". Gorr the Godslayer is a villain who kills Gods for a living because he thinks that they're useless and I guess that Thor fears Gorr to the point where relinquishing his title as the God of Thunder would prevent him from being a target of Gorr (They never really explained Thor' s relation with Gorr that well.)
9:30 Uh... Thor... are you okay?
This harkens back to a sketch done by Doug Walker in his review of Jurrasic Park 3.
Wouldn't Absorbing Man be more mad that the (in-universe) real Thor did not confront him and a successor confronts him?
You would think so. Like if Bane got pissed Batman sent Nightwing in his place.
@@The4thSnake Absorbing Man: "I've had it with this motherfucking copy-cat!! Where the fuck is the real Thor!?"
"Captain Marvel is a very popular character in the comics"
NOPE
Not even close
Well, at the time.
@@The4thSnake Still nope.
She's never even been able to carry a series as Captain Marvel.
Nice vid btw. Just found your channel. Good stuff.
@@yagamifire7861 Thanks.
@@The4thSnake True at the time was popular and increasing in it until cw II
Never got this move. Bendis' new avengers was diverse and not just gender and race. Making Cap black and thor female was like saying new or existing black and female characters can't be popular unless they are shoe horned into an already existing iconic character.
Your point about Jane being named thor make sense, you are worthy of the power of thor not you become thor as thor does not cease to exist when someone else is worthy.
Captain Marvel has never popular, rather infamous...very, VERY infamous. She's had her own series rebooted 12 times within the last few years, and her being the villain is, unfortunately, a lot closer to her character than most people think. Not helping her case is her actress in the MCU (Brie Larson) is one of the most insufferable people in the film industry.
This seems to be a resonable analysis video.
Marvel needs a good reboot
No one would complain if the books didn’t suck or if they started out good but got fucked over thus decreasing the fanbase. Fucking over fan favorites like Spider-Man, Carol, THE GODDAMN X-MEN and so on doesn’t help.
Saddly today's writers talent are not talented enough to make these stories with nuance or anything Original.
im from the future, yes, it did kill marvel
The problem was it was to rushed and was too much at once
and now we got snowflake and safespace
Yeah Iron Man really got screwed over in Civil War 1. Like they did everything they could to make it apparent that he was the villain rather than portraying both sides with valid arguements. So yeah the movie definitely did it better. I wonder if Civil War didn't happen where would Marvel be now. Maybe better in my honest opinion because following Civil War there was A LOT of hero v hero in Marvel.
Thor was deemed unworthy for a stupid reason which they revealed and I laughed as " He was right". Also Marvel has way too many books out so of course sales drop and even more so with the " World Shattering Events stuff" as take the avengers you have the Avengers book which is farther in the future than now, then you the Occupy Avengers, AIM, Uncanny Avengers, Greal Lake Avengers and I think one more so in total 6 different Avengers books. Then you had for over a year the X-men vs Inhumans nonsense which was subtle then ramp up to have an easy conclusion to now having 5 different X-men books on the way. Then Marvel lets writers like Bendis come in and does whatever he wants only for him to leave and have other writers come in and fix his messes he had done over the years. Finally its not that Marvel has a diversity problem its that they forget about a lot of characters that were created only to at times bring them back just to killed or make shallow attempts to replace existing characters with a poor writing and art team behind them.
So umm, about the Natalie Portman Thor movie
The Differences between Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel (Both are Carol)
Ms. Marvel - Is a likable hero, and doesn't have a bad morality.
Captain Marvel - A jerk that no one likes in the comic & film, who will try to put a kid in prison, and doesn't listen to logic.
the "give them their own book" line of thinking is not seeing the business side of it.
- New Characters do not sell. Marvel feels if they create all new characters and they wont sell. Even with good writing they wont sell because the comic book "community" will not deviate from their favorites anyway.
They some how managed to create popular characters in the past even though they were competing with established characters. Literally the whole of Marvels big characters started out small against DCs. And then after that they created characters like Wolverine and the Punisher. I don't give a fuck what they feel if it contrasts with reality and they end up hurting things in the process.
well thought out as always
I actually really don't like Sam Wilson as captain america. When bucky becomes cap it makes sense because he's his sidekick and has a very similar skill set to the original and bucky lacks a superhero identity of his own so it's all good but when Sam does it it feels wrong, Sam already has his own identity and he's one of the most progressive heros out there (I'm fairly certain he was on of the first black heros without the word "black" in his name) but they took his individuality away for the sake of having a black captain america
Fair.
Exactly, Sam Wilson is if I recall correctly the first of Marvel's black superheroes.. to do such a thing would be putting a black man with his own identity into a white man's shoes.
Granted, they are friends ... But the way they swapped out all of the originals with "diverse" successors made it cheap. It's not like they wanted to tell a good story, it's more like they had a checkbox and that is a greater insult. If they barely care about the character, then how am I supposed to be engaged
The4thSnake......Where can i find that picture?!? 12:29
I agree, they should really make it she's awesome and she's a woman and he's cool and he's black, instead of he's cool because he's black.
This is why i dont read marvel anymore
well said
Beta ray bill is way cooler and just better than jane foster
I think it's important to note that at the moment odinson is doing something else with Loki on the moon. Also, the new Thor (other stories) are good. I don't want a whipe, I want a thunderstrike
I still like Female Thor and Riri, but I do really agree with a lot of the bad writing direction
You come off as a Linkara worshiper. My sister really doesn't like Carol Danvers because to her, she is soooooo boring. And I totally understand where this is coming from, if you asked her to read the comics that feature Ms Marvel/Captain Marvel her response would be "no I don't know about her and I don't want to know about her, you can't make me like her". I might not have liked her much as Ms Marvel but she was there. Something that both me and my sister have in common just disinterest in modern Marvel comics. That being said, what was Iron Man like before he was assassinated? Please enlighten me, I only knew Iron Man from the MCU and a handful of the comics.
James, you don't understand, the minority characters can't succeed unless they take a white character's job.
this is the truth good work.
It would be nice to see a blue-marvel comic
Its so weird that ppl dont seem to understand that diversity is neutral. like its not good and not bad its just a 7 on the ph scale.
Not in today's world
@@thedrunkronin4550 You need to say more than that for any thing to be conveyed
I have no clue what you mean with a message this vague
@@albertlofling7310 What I'm saying is "Diversity" isn't as neutral as it was back then. It's now looked a upon as something negative due to how much of it is forced.
@@thedrunkronin4550 do you mean it is polarized. Because i dont think its more negative than thinking a gender isnt smart enough to vote
@@albertlofling7310 Nah, I don't think it's even polarized just based on how much it's effected our pop culture as whole, whether that be for better or for the worse. I think more and more people are carrying an negative connotation when it comes to having "Diversity" just based on how much of it is heavily forced into our pop culture due to companies' influence and I just want to clarify that the idea of "Diversity" isn't the problem, where the issue lies is how it's executed. Nowadays, companies like Disney, Marvel, DC, and etc. see "Diversity" more as a profit rather than it being something that's celebrated.
12:29 That picture....i want it!
Fuck wanting it I want to be in it
i feel like comics are slowly dying and superhero movies are more popular than ever
I don’t think the few examples of characters being replaced with other uninteresting characters is enough to drop the sales of marvel comics drastically and isn’t really that big of a deal and is only really detracting people who are looking at this at an outside perspective and hate feminism.
This is why, in my most highest opinion, Marvel Comics should've reboot their mainstream universe instead of just continuing following 2015's Secret Wars. That's all.
Holy shit that female thor scene was just fucking gross.
Im gona trust Taika Waititi since he and James Gunn were able to make some of the weirder or boring premises into something great, and remember this, if the new Jane Foster in the 3rd movie is actually well written then the comics industry of the character will change around that, which is how it works these days for better or worse
*Ultimate End*
miles is broken beyond hell
lady thor and odenson.
thor is title of who weilds the hammer.
so i read, dont care much.
how do you feel about sams cap not having a replacement falcon?
one less original black hero for one derivative of cap
Thor it's a name. A MALE NAME not a title. This is like calling Jane Foster , Michael cuz she clearly can't do shit on her own with her own female name.
Diversity isn't a problem.
I agree and I understand why you say this but I strongly recommend you finish the video as he pretty much states that same thing and shows both good and bad examples of it. You'll like it I promise
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil ill give it a watch, i just can't stand click bait video titles like this.
People should express their views and intent better.
I like how you say the but comics are dying. Because of it and the Writers are mad about it. Mean look at their sales it is really bad And that goes to tell you people are tired of it.
Nowadays "diverse" is synonymous with "garbage"
Great video though personally I HATE a lot of the new characters with a burning passion except for Sam Wilson captain America and Miles. They are all so cringe and annoying.
Am I the only one who still watch this video in 2023 ?
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Yep i am such a werido
Me too
9:52 That's a dumb line but hey he's not wrong
Maybe with the collapse of the comic book industry, it'll Hopefully rise back up like a Phoenix with the old characters and proteges taking up the mantel organically, lastly why does marvel appeal to an audience that doesn't even buy there fucking book?!
this video stars off reasonable but then turns into an emotional rant at the end you must really dislike the jane foster thor
So I guess having valid criticism is now considered a "rant".
That "ass" around the 11min count looks ps1 rendered. Fucking ridiculous!! I laughed. Feminist pandering at it's finest.
As a matter of fact real friends did resort to punching and fighting each other in our own Civil War (my dad has studied the Civil War so he would probably debunk you ten times over) so the argument that real people don't do this is moot. I haven't followed the comics since Spider-man One More Day but I can say that Civil War isn't bad but it isn't good either. In my last comment I said that I agreed with a lot of Linkara's points but I didn't agree with everything. Maria Hill jumping the gun on Cap before the registration act was a smart choice because it reminded me of a story of one of Lincon's lieutenants who once he heard that General Lee wouldn't help him pursue the confederates said that he should have been shot on the spot. Our government does this kind of thing all the time, they will make you dance to their tune whether you want to or not. The pro reg side recruiting super villains to hunt down the anti reg side is no different than the federals recruiting mercenaries to fight the confederates who probably had done as many awful things as these super villains. Keep in mind that I stopped following the comics because of the ending to Civil War as well which was like the writers saying "Cap loses because the pro reg side is working for the government, you wouldn't rebel against your government would you?" which made me sick.