Good Things To Know Before Buying 4k TV's For Your Racing Simulator
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2022
- I talk about the reality of using 4k TVS in a triple screen setup after having used an awesome LG OLED Setup for over a year !
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Your honest perspective was so helpful! It is a complex matter, but you were patient enough to discuss different considerations and give a realistic outcome based on the many different choices, this video is a gem!
I jumped on the triple 55" OLED train when this setup was advertised last year by some CZcams channels and although the screens are superb the setup was pain in the a** due to this HDMI / Displayport / adapter fiddling / no gsync / only aorus with 3 HDMI ports problem. I've spent the most time tuning and tweaking instead of racing (bought a way too expensive aorus 3080 to get those 3 HDMI ports, although 1 port is HDMI 2.0 which led to bandwidth limitations and tested almost every dp->HDMI adapter on the market, even those who were advertised to do VRR but did not). When the 4090 was announced and I realized that there will be no more GPU with 3 HDMI ports, I made an even more pain in the a** decision and sold my LG tvs and bought 3 aorus fo48u monitors with Displayports, demounted and remounted everything and finally everything works as it should (triple 4k 120 gsync HDR).
Long story short: choose screens with Displayport no matter what
@@designamk1160 😄in fact there was a well known youtuber who stated that there would be an dp -> hdmi adapter he uses and that they would do VRR. shouldn't have relied on his review and I paid the price. And I was hoping for new GPUs with more HDMI ports (instead even the aorus don't have 3 HDMI ports anymore). Shit happens...
Thanks for advice.
I'm dealing with it myself, I just bought 3 42" LG C3 and it's a nightmare getting them to run at 4k 120hz. only game that works flawless is Iracing , but every other game only get 4k60hz. I 2nd that, only get tv with DisplayPort otherwise you're not going to get the benefits. So I think i'm about to send them back and get the 57" ultrawide. I had the 49" for 2 years and wanted the triple experience but it's turning out to be a pain for other games
Having setup a few triple 4K 120hz TV setups......damn I wish I knew about all this sooner. It is absolutely mental when you go above 46inch monitors, the extra work and tinkering you have to do to have the "dream" setup. Especially on ACC as well, it's hard to imagine a game not even allowing a native option to run triple 4K. However lately having discovered SRWE and not having to deal with Nvidia surround has been a godsend, not the most elegant solution, but much more dependable.
let us simply run them at 1440p instead
NVidia's triple screen technology is called "NVidia Surround". Some games like PCars 2/Automobilista 2 will let you set up triple screens independently without surround.
You describe exactly what I found out and went through. Went from 27” triples to a single 38” ultrawide. I play too many different games and not just sims, the triples became a hassle.
I became obsessed with playing as many titles on triples as possible, even Doom II, no joke. I also find it quite decent for working at home.
@@bjornna7767 The problem is that all the “normie” games don’t have the proper viewport for the side monitors, and the left and right screens are far too distorted and stretched out to be worth it. But yeah, the two extra screens were very good for productivity.
@@ScottOmatic You can correct the perspective with a Reshade Plugin, then, zoom in on the center so that all screens are (nearly to fully) filled again after the correction. To counter for the zoom, you can drive a higher res than native. I play many games like that, less a hussle than it sounds.
@@bjornna7767 That’s cool, I wish I knew of something like that when I was running triples 8 years ago.
@@ScottOmatic Now you know it if you ever come back to triples :D
I went with a triple 40 inch TV setup, way back in 2014 (see my videos). I then moved to a Samsung 49 inch Super Ultra wide Monitor, which was effectively two 27 inch 1440p monitors side by side. The issue with this was the horizontal height was just too small. I’ve recently moved to a single 55 inch LG C1 Oled tv and couldn’t be happier. Way better picture quality than the vast majority of monitors out there, and with blacks to die for.
Yes, the height is very very underrated. It can make a triple setup break immersion. Yet, I'm quite happy with 3x 1440p 27 inchers, as I am able to get close enough to them so that immersion is still there. But I'm also thinking about going 32:9 or 21:9 with more inches and then couple it with movement capturing of your head so that you can still look out of the windows if you need to.
@@bjornna7767 Yeah, I think you're right. People just focus on FOV width and not height. Both add to the immersion.
@@Jamic9 Exactly. Keep having fun with your rig, bro, it's such a nice hobby.
This is why I haven’t looked at those after I have had my LG38UC99 38” ultrawide for 6 years, it would be shorter in height and then you probably can’t see enough of the windshield vertical space.
I'm going to get a 55" C2 to replace my main 49" PC monitor this week. I have a wall mounted articulating keyboard arm setup I can fold out of the way, so I'm able to roll my TR160 (which is sat next to it) in front of the screen. The rig also has its own 43"on a big Ergotron articulating wall arm right behind the steering wheel. But I like the idea that if I wanted to play something on the OLED in an Ultrawide resolution, I can do so - which would only be things like Forza most likely, as I use VR for sims where possible.
I think your videos are always the most helpful and honest. You dont tell people BUy BUy Buy.
Good you mentioned OLED and coming back to LCD. I’m just a pleb and haven’t got PC. But few years ago ACC on PS4 run lot better on my 2011 Panasonic Plasma TV txp50gt60. My friends LCD had all kind of visual problems. Luckily I never compared ACC on PC with 100+frames per second. Ps5 latest ACC update on 50inch plasma TV 2m away runs beautifully and keeps me warm too.
Agree that it is not for everyone, but I love my 3 x 50 inch setup with zero issues. Must have been lucky.
I am Running triple 48 LG OLED “PC Monitors”. Sweet spot size in my opinion. I would not go bigger. Monitors are great: DisplayPort/VRR/Gsync. OLED in general is amazing for picture quality. I run the PC monitors at 2560x1440 (not native 4k). But don’t forget that the monitors are native 4k, so the monitors upscale for an effective resolution of 3k - plenty of resolution. Very happy with the setup. I acknowledge two issues. Cost, and needed space. In cost, a rock solid stand is expensive! My stand cost as much as the 80/20 rig. It cost as much as I paid for one of the monitors. But, it is not possible to keep the setup perfect without a stand that allows you to make micro adjustments needed to align the monitors. SimLab and Advanced Sim Racing are two companies that have proper big-screen triple monitor stands with micro adjustments. Installation is not for the faint of heart. From the time I opened the stand boxes to the time I sat down to play a game, it took me over 10 hours (protractor in hand). But with the right stand, once it is set up, you never have to think about it again.
what do you think about the LG monitors matte AR coating? I worried it might be a dealbreaker for me
@@djofre should not be a deal breaker,, it should be the norm. No issues and nothing breaks immersion more than being reminded you are staring at flat monitors due to reflections - especially when those monitors are at different angles. Hope that helps
As a follow-up I now run at full 4k with a 4090 card. Wow! Even better. Glad I decided to go with 4k monitors knowing video cards would catch up.
Thanks! I was thinking of adding a 4090, so that’s good to hear
@@netlawman2001Do you have a specific brand of DP to HDMI cable you could pass along. What about a supplier/ seller?
Great video! I have a 55 c1 and was going to buy two additional c1 for 600 each used. You have maybe persuaded me to go with a single set up and maybe get VR down the road
Another problem I have with 55 inch TV is....while on a 32 inch monitor triple setup, the A pillar of most cars does rest conveniently on the bezels between the screens, but on a 55, if you want to sit close and take advantage of the size filling up all your angle of vision, the bezel will appear in weird places, and the change of angle between them does also appear more awkward, so you end up sitting back and return to a viewing angle not really that different from what you see from a 32 inch. If you ask me again a 46 might be a good compromise between usability and bragging rights.
Everything is a compromise. Really it just comes down to what you want and value most. The important part is we all enjoy the hobby and (tech) continues to move forward.
been on triples since 2015. It's not a pain. Feels like vr is a puzzle each time you run it.
Once set up if you only use triple and have the space and still don't want to feel as if you are actually sat in a car / playing a game then triple is great.
VR is the only way to feel like you are literally sat in a car , unless you have a car cockpit / full car body with huge projector screens in front of you.
Triple can be a bit random on some games as well , single wide screen is purity much only thing that works with just about everything no issues.
Mate, opinions. :)))
Triple 4k @ 55" Vizio M7 tvs here, and even with 6900xt AMD vid card the freesync works but no VRR in windows. Probably because of the HDMI/DP adapters. I enjoy them and bought them for $500 each. 12K x 2160 is a wonderful display piece. But yes Get 120hz displays wherever possible. I run most sims @ 60-90 fps on ultra or high settings.
Exellent video sir. Thank you for very detailed video. I am a sim racer and still using MSI 32 inch curved tripple screen setup and I want to go to 65 inch tripple screens. Which model do you suggest for me and what kind of cable did you use to connect grafic card display port to HDMI and whit this connection is g-sync free sync active ? Thank you for your reply sir. Great work
I have these exact TVs on a 4090 with 2 HDMI and 1 DP to HDMI. Runs pretty great at 4K. Typically 120fps (ACC closer to 90) on on high settings. Good point about playing non sim games though! I found I ended up setting up another 4090 machine with a 42” C2 OLED just for non sim racing games. Trying to play non sim games in the sim rig is a bit of a pain. Good points! I do love my setup though once you finally have it setup.
Are you happy with triple 55 or would you recommend triple 48" instead?
Well put
I agree I went from triples to a 49 ultra wide and I happy I don’t have to deal with all the pain I use go tru
Built my first real rig last year and went with triple 32 inch and it works amazing and pretty decent emersion but im always considering the desire for more screen size. Thanks for the heads up on some things to think about, as you say there is plenty of misinformation going around on what will and wont work. I might just get a ultrawide on the side for other games as ive also found it to be a pain in the butt to make all games work properly with this setup but i would NEVER go back to one screen for racing or an ultrawide. Cheers keep the good vids flowing!!!
You make mention Euro truck Sim/ATS as if they don't work properly with triple screen. Both these titles have proper triple screen support and they both look and work amazing in triple screens.
Yah they did an update that massively improved triple support but at launch I'm sure the triple support was not very good same with the VR. But now it's fine.
My fun problem with my triple 2k 32s is that one of the pm will occasionally start taking black pixels in the frame and turning them green and flickering. According to the internet it’s a surround problem, but I have no idea what causes it.
Great video! When I entered the fray with my triple 55" LG C1s from the outside- it seems easy. There is a lot to learn. I'm driving mine with a 3080ti but can't wait to have a 4090 in there.
In a nutshell:
If going with the LG C1s- find some good DP to HDMI adapters.
DO NOT get the Next Level Racing triple stand. The adjustability is non existent and will be a nightmare (as it was for me) if possible- get a slot stand like SimLab.
Run 11520x1440 or better
Make sure you are running game mode on the LGs and low latency mode.
Outside of that- it's worth the cost of entry. Hope this helps others.
The problem is display port to HDMI means you lose out on Gsync , and Gsync is amazing with LG oleds so long as the game doesn't drop under 85fps
I'd really recommend if a person is going for triple screen and they really want to get best value from the screens that they make sure they buy screens with a display port.
But I agree I think even for a single 4K tv to really get the most IE 4k with mid settings in games and always hitting 100Fps then a 4090 is really going to be needed.
@@GamerMuscleVideos I get what you're saying but it's definitely not a deal breaker. If you have a strong enough system it's pretty minimal. Triples are well worth the effort from an immersion perspective. I have VR and it's just not for me for sim racing. To each their own but with the new 4090 we really can pretty much support anything you would want.
@brwiser Can you tell me/us which dp to hdmi cable you used, or where you got them at least? I’m having a hell of a time but it’s all related to crappy chinese cables.It’s so hit and miss!
@socalfun64 let me know if you need further help. Btw, the 4090 is a game changer!
Also the 4090 I have (MSI LiquidX Suprim) didn't initially support G-Sync but that was resolved probly a year ago. Best of luck and interested in hearing how it all works for you. Cheers
VR it is then.
A world in stead of a screen, and so much easier. 🥳
Downside is that you scr3w with your eyes quite more imo. And for me as a father, going VR is not possible, I can't slip into a virtual world completely, which would also be needed in order for VR to function properly when it comes to immersion. But I understand where you're coming from, immersionwise, VR is not really beatable, but, you can get very very close to it with a proper monitor setup and maybe even a realistic cockpit.
edit: Seems like I'm wrong about VR and getting shortsighted, I was gamermuscled below.
After wearing face masks for nose & mouth the past couple years, I'm less inclined to want a mask for my eyes! There's also that whole fov tunnel vision that most VR forces on you.
I have owned seven VR headsets and recently went to big triples which I really enjoy. Love VR, but for me it is just not there yet.
@@bjornna7767 There is zero evidence to suggest VR has an adeverse effect on the eyes.It's a complete myth,people assume having something that close to you eyes must damage them,just as we were told not to sit too close to the TV as a child because it would damage our eyes.Both are wrong.
Your other point about being a father is valid and understandable though.
@@Coxy_Wrecked Well, I'd say that if you regularly play like 3-4 hours per day, focusing on a 2d panel very close to your eyes, that it's more likely to become shortsighted, but I'm no optician.
@GamerMuscleVideos The issue with blinking and bandwidth and most of your issues is tied to running high FPS variable refresh rates. The compromise is to run 60hz, then all of that goes away. I own 2 of your LG C Series 55 inch TVs on my 2 desktop gaming setups. I run into random glitches here and there as well. My sim rig is triple LG 43 inch montors at 60hz @ 1440p. I have no issues, but 60 hz is my compromise for that consistency.
Running an Oled at 60hz really misses out on the point of spending the money on a OLED and not using VRR - Gsync Again is really not taking advantage of the mains selling points and costs of the device.
The blinking is often also separate to frame rate and video bandwidth.
If I were to cap things id aim for 90hz min as that is way more fluid than 60 and obviously much easier to hit than 120.
Running screens at 2560x1440 as well is obviously way less bandwidth than 4k and for flight and driving sim use is a better compromise then running lower fps.
Thanks for the video, really good advice specially for someone looking into going into triple screens. You mention 55'' was too big in your opinion, if you were buying triples again today, would you buy 48'' or 42''?
I probably wouldn't bother , 1 screen for 2D maybe a curved wide screen. And then if I want immersion I'd go for VR.
I guess if I had to do triple screen I'd maybe go for three 32/35" screens.
I'd only do 3x42 or larger if it was for a training center / marketing / trade show or something. Mind you a single large screen would be fine for a trade show as well.
It’s been a year, but have you come across any specific dp to hdmi cables that work well with 4k@120hz? I’ve got 3;65” lg c3 oleds, lol. I have actually got them to work a couple time and it was amazing until I rebooted and then I would have to fiddle about again for hours. I wish I had got the three Alienware 55” monitors with dp. Still, with a 4090, i9 149000k, etc It should work if I can just get 3 cables to work properly. I can get two going but the
Waiting for 27" 120/144 Hertz qd-oled monitors, before I upgrade my triples. I don't see the sense in going large (55") tv screens for triples, as they need to be 1.2m away from your pov to be able to set them for 180 fov. Where as 27" screens are ideally placed at 60cm imho.
Nothing wrong with having more than 180 deg fov. It's kind of nice to have screen when you look over your shoulder. I was an early triple 4k adopter when the 3090 came out, 43" monitors.
I’m running acc and I racing with etc 3080 with Hp omen on a 75 to neo qled 8k. Yea massive but immersive that is the to I got and should be 144hz. No issue with iracing but acc has two faults I cannot go over 60hz with vsynch . With no vsynch flickers but 120 hz . And screen goes black at times . Will try more hdmi cables
Other tips ?
A giant 4k tv can show 3840x1620 with black bars. It can be way bigger than any 21:9 monitor if you're using like a 65 inch or bigger. You just have to deal with having black bars, but its not like its noticeable when playing.
The only issue with that approach is current 4k oleds are flat which is an issue if you then have them close / want to use them as you would a wide screen monitor.
But yes in principle it's kinda funny the price of oled vs ultra wide when also considering pixel to $ value
Is any of that really going to be so massive ? I just ordered my triple stand and I am trying to get answers on if I just get 1080p TVs is it going to be unplayable ? I only use 60hz monitor now
I have 32" screens pretty close to me at hardly 60 degrees from each other and I already feel like my left screen (the one with the driver side-mirror) is further away than the actual car should be. How did such huge screens feel? Didn't you feel like you were inside a boat instead of a car? 🤔
Yep 100% and I just have 1 old 1080p sony briva that is like the best TV ever on a white fold out table that is 6 feet, 2 meters away from my PC. An Asus 1080P gsync 180HZ monitor on duel am with a 4K pro art monitor like wthin 3 feet, 1 meter from my PC and I have a bose sound bar for the TV and yeah it's all for my creative and gaming pursuits while I built it around my lazy boy the ultimate gaming chair... And I have thought abou all the things in this video and dealt with most of them... So yeah great video it will help alot of people.
I just upgraded from a 40 inch Sony Bravia 1080p 120hz TV (KDL-40HX800) that I absolutely loved to a 42 inch 120hz 4k Sony Bravia and I almost wish I hadn't. It works perfectly with my PS5 but was a nightmare to get working right with my PC and I had to settle on 60hz just to get it to display correctly.
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Hi guys I am planing to go on a lcl triple qled 43 inches, my pc is a 5800x3D with a 7900 XTX.... Should it run in acceptable way ?
Switching between Nvidia Surround and normal windows is a right ball ache. Wish it would remember what the settings were previously. Thankfully iRacing works without Nvidia Surround.
Relatable content
Hi: Has anyone the combo 4090 + AM5 + 3 tvs? I've got it and the 4090 can't get 120 hz and full rgb color, only ycbcr 422 or 420
I have a question.
Sometimes when I get out of my rig, I lose my trips and my view goes to one screen at which point I have to go into the ini file to re set it.
When I do this it ask if I want to save the settings and of course I do.
Then for days everything is fine and then it happens again. It sucks when I'm about to qualify for a race or enter the grid and it happens.
I have to exit iRacing without withdrawing from the race to re set it
And then log back in.
How can I stop this from happening?
Thank you in advance for your time and your youtube chanel.
Sounds like static electricity I have this issue with one of my desks / office chairs. Maybe find a way to ground yourself to an earth or find what is causing you to become charged.
That makes sense. Thanks
Hi - can you explain again how you got gsync to work with the LG C1’s? I am thinking of moving to 3 42 or 48 LG’s but want to keep gsync. I don’t mind 1440p on the monitors. I have a 4090.
Thanks!!
It's not worth the hassle you have to use Nvidia triple view do some random stuff to get the non HDMI 2.1 port on a GPU that has 3HDMI ports which is like 2 gpus on the market to work with it.
Also you don't really need triple screen , be better to get a single nice wide gaming OLED that can do 144hz or more and use sync on that screen.
If you are doing triple screen / want best frame timing and as smooth image as possible with C1 20 120hz screen , I got best results just using VSync which gives 8ms input delay and is generally fine for racing games (not fps) given that it gets you totally smooth image.
With cards that don't have enough HDMI ports you will need to use 4k 120 hz HDMI to dp cables I don't think any of them can do VRR as the cables have to be active and convert HDMI to DP.
Some people say there are HDMI to DP cables that support VRR but when I tried and also looked into it , it was people mistaken , miss labeling and marketing BS.
Though it's 2 years on now so there might be pass through chips that can do it now.
This is a problem many people are going to have, as most people have LG send them screens to shill.
I get the blinking issue with one Lg C1
With an RTX 3080
Big sreen advice?
I put my (successful) experience with big screen triples in another comment for this video (shameless plug), but after watching the video, it seems like your advice is that if going for big-screen experience, stick with screens designed for PC gaming, like the LG 48” ultra gear OLED PC gaming monitors. It seems like a lot of your tech issues result from using TVs that are game compatible, but missing key technology needed for reliable stable PC gaming. The need for Display Port is critical and it seems like trying to use HDMI has caused you lots of grief. I have no HW/cable issues. Based on comments I had previously seen, I didn’t go big screen until the newer PC Monitors (like the aforementioned LG ultra gear 48) became available.
Yah lots of issues come from HDMI tvs , which is probably what most people will be using for the next 1-3 years at least given the price of tvs with a DP.
Single 4k gaming tv is great though and protty much at the limit of what a 3080ti can really run at native resolution and 80+fps with good graphis settings anything more would really need 4090
Are monitors easier to set up?🤘🏼🏁
I have display port to hdmi cables does this fix the issue?
Display port to HDMI cables cannot do Gsync and will also be more prone to issues at higher frame rates / 4k , and more prone to issues with cable legth.
You can also lose colour information when using DP to hdmi cables but they can work alright if you don't want to use Gsync at least.
Hi gmv,
My query was. If you had to feel like being in the cackpit in 1:1 feeling of a real life GT3 car like say a 911/R8 gt3, then what size Triple x 3 monitor size would you need? To be able to see through the screens in exact same size of things outside in real life?
Thanks
The only thing that makes you feel like you are actually sat in a real car is VR.
Sat close to 42" screens should cover most of a person's FOV and get a general 1-1 scale.
But yah only VR or being sat in a car cockpit with huge projector screens really captures the actual experience of being sat in a car.
What about response time? Those tvs surely must have pretty high response time. And shouldn't you try using displayport and not hdmi. For gaming-focused, it's better getting like Odyssey Neo G9, ultrawide, and displayport.
Oleds have sub 2ms response , there is no display port on lots of 4k tvs that was part of the point of this video.
Regarding the blinking issue. It is very often related to cable quality especially for HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4. You really need to be careful with selecting cables for high performance video.
def this as well
Can be related to cables for sure but I went though a ton of cables and to be honest It seems more down to Nvidia Trippel screen and how that interacts with Gsync along with being at the limit for bandwidth the card can deal with.
I think these issues largely go away when using Display port and new gaming TV's / Oleds are starting to also have DP as well as HDMI.
Also there is always sitting a meter away from a 85 inch 8k TV which would be cheaper.
That would be perfect if they made curved tvs but most are not at the moment, I think some oleds will be in the future though
is it harder to run vr than tripple screens at 4k
also what are your thoughts on using a single projector onto a curved screen?
Triple 27's are plenty.
PG48UQ says hello : monitor 48" 4k gsync oled displayport ;)
There's no point buying huge screens and then sitting 40 miles away from them. 27 or 32 as close as possible is peak FOV
Actually there is a point to having larger screens and being sat further away , the biggest is it allows eyes to converge more naturally which can really help reduce eye strain and is closer to how eyes converge in real life when looking further away as you do in a real car.
Things like perception of scale can also be affected by how close a screen is ( even when FOV is set up and the image ostensively looks the same in both cases)
Personally I do think a nice wide gaming screen about 30cm behind a wheel base works really well though.
Real peek FOV is having a 15" CRT on some books behind wheel on a desk though.
I really needed some advice for my SREEN. The big one of course ;)
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Just get an HDMI to display port adapter.
Then you lose G sync and you also have some sync issues , can take longer for things to alt tab and often hdmi to dp cables can mess up colour depth finally you often also lose the ability to do HDR
@@GamerMuscleVideos what if you got the exact same cable for it?
Before buying a screen it would probably be useful to know how to spell one :-D
Hisence u8h on its way
First rule: Buy VR instead and never look back.
Edit: Unless an opponent is behind you
2nd rule go back to triples shortly after and only use vr on occasion
VR is amazing. Transformed racing games to simulations for me and the closer to reality the better.
Buy cheap 1080p24 inch triples and then vr
Buy monitor only.... You don't have delay of synchronous.... NEVER TV for gaming.....
I'm getting a pc soon I'm not gunna be running triples I want a normal TV sized 4kmonitor about 43-50 inch i dont mind curved but not ultrawide any recommendations or do they not do monitors that big
Can't you just get a display port to hdmi converter lmao?
I was just thinking, cost of living, inflation and mortgage interest rates are so laughably low right now that there were too few videos on this subject. Thank-you for the ongoing consumer advice to the common man 🥹
Well if you think about it a high end Oled TV is only 2 months of electric bill so relitevely speaking they are now very cheap 👍.
I do think 4k tvs can actually be quite a cost effective solution especially if just getting one , compared to some game screens and the prices of oleds are dropping quite fast.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Don't worry, there's never any true malicious intent in my toxic sarcasm. You're a needed voice in sim racing and your setup is fantastic! There are many pitfalls in going to the extremes, so this will genuinely be useful to people.