Star Wars The Clone Wars Season Two: Creating Mandalore Featurette
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2015
- Featurette discusses how to approach the history of the Mandalorians, Mandalorian armor and the challenges of designing a glass city.
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The fact that George Lucas actually gave a fuck about his universe and even made an effort to read up on the EU whenever he wanted to put something in the show says a lot about the man.
7:41 designing a civilization behind a single armor piece. That's dope
"We have no species or bloodline-so we can rebuild our ranks with others who want to join us. We're more than just a people or an army, aruetii. We're a culture. We're an idea. And you can't kill ideas-but we can certainly kill you."
―Mandalore the Destroyer
And yet most Mandalorians were humans. Taung were a long-dead species ever since KOTOR.
Such a great quote
This is an exact reason of why I love the idea of the mandos.
Also, Revan would like to say "Hello." If it wasn't for the Jedi Exile helping Mandalore the Preserver reassemble the clans, the Mandalorians would have died out.
@General Grievous Not necessarily. At most, many Mando outfits had mostly humans or near-humans.
Modern Mandalorians = Scandinavians
Ancient Mandalorians = Vikings
Very true
blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin people
with our first exposure to Mandalorian people being tamuera morrison, i wish they went more maori based warrior culture tbh
So if USA invades Norway we will get Mandalorian in real life?
@@38procentkrytyk Norway also has a strong army and mandatory service for able bodied individuals of both genders as of 2016.
It's crazy watching this after later Clone Wars episodes, Rebels and Mando that have redefined Mandalorian culture. You can see all the threads.
Yeah frrs the whole mandalorian side of star wars is very intresting👍💯
They have done a tremendous job with it. And now the character whom all this was designed around in the first place, Boba Fett, will get his own show. Be interesting to see what they do with that.
@@Voltar I disagree, but each to their own.
I LOVED the mandalorian warriors dave filoni and george lucas did a amazing job by putting them in the clone wars
Odst soldier sarcasm? Please be sarcasm. I prefer individual, badass and family oriented warriors over corrupt aryan hippies anyday
Yeah, showing a side of the culture that was less space mongol was pretty cool imo.
more like post-war japan
No they didn't, they didn't everything short of undo what the EU did with them.
Odst soldier agreed...the mandalorians are the best.
Always forget Jon Favreau voiced pre Vizsla, nice connection for him with George’s influence that he can use in the mando
11:15 years before the mandalorian and he's already referring to the great purge!
@General Grievous no, I didn't. please elaborate?
I thought he was referring to the lost episodes were Boba duels Cad Bane and it shows how he wears a lot of classical Boba Fett armor like in ESB and RTJ. I hated it so much when Disney took over...
Alex boyajian it's something in the Extended Universe
Well, I guess Boba and Jango not being Mandalorian has just been retconned by the newest “The Mandalorian”. Honestly though, I think they always should’ve been mandos.
Its Batj lol having a corrupt politician be the one to say he wasn't a Mandalorian is an easy out though. Not the most trust worthy guy to begin with
@@NolanHockeyPodcast true
Its Batj like dude lied about a lot and maybe he thought associating a guy who fought the Jedi bringing it up with his own people wouldn't be a great idea haha also throw us a subscribe if you can man haha we'd appreciate it!
it seems based on that bo katan convo, its technically an active controversy that mirrors the out of universe one. bobas just a common bounty hunter, but wears the armor cause its jangos. but people look down on his status as a clone and jango himself may have been on the outs with mandalorians.
@@stevensko9153 What are you talking about, Both Jango and Boba are already confirmed to be mandos in the Mandalorian
I could go on listen to Dave Filoni talk about Madalorians all day! Such an Amazing Show, glad the Clone Wars is coming back for a 7th Season!
And here we are years later and a live action tv show is being made called The Mandalorian which takes all this history into account
And now Boba Fett himself is getting his own show.
The mirror part just made me think ... Wow, I never noticed that before now. That's really cool!
Everytime i hear Jon Favreau speak i hear Pre Visla, I cant keep it out of my head! :D
Jango being a mandalorian warrior that went rogue because of the war and the story of the Dark Horse comics and the Bounty Hunter game is way more interesting than the "just a bounty hunter" statement.
+ Javier Cabanas: I agree.
@@LucasJammons I suspect this will get addressed in the Mandalorian, most likely it will be something like "He was exiled, hes not one of us" Otherwise they would have done a comic of how Jango got his armour.
It's probably because A) Jango wasn't born to the clans, just adopted by Jaster even though his family was Mandalorian, and B) Both the Pacifists and the Death Watch hate the "True Mandalorians" and see them as nothing more but common mercenaries.
@@HolyknightVader999 Well the Mandalorian covered how you can absolutely be a foundling and be considered a true member of the Mandalorain people. But you have to live by their code. If Jango was a Mandalorian but became disowned by them, he must have done something to warrant that.
Nope.
After Season 2 of The Mandalorian, i think we can safely say Jango was a foundling. Boba Fett being a mando...jury's still out on that one.
We'll see in his series. I don't think he can be one though, even Jango despite being a foundling, wasn't Mandalorian, as he didn't strive to protect their culture and became a mere bounty hunter.
@@shugaroony im pretty sure that Jango is a Mandalorian
@@shugaroony I know I'm a bit late, but a LOT of Mandalorians become bounty hunters, even Din Djarin is a bounty hunter.
I just love hearing Dave Filoni and Goerge Lucas talk
You gotta love this man lol. He giggles talking about StarWars
Thats really interesting how they designed everything (with the exception of the planet itself) around Boba's armour. The story surrounding it all is more interesting than the character himself. It was a great decision by Lucas to bring Mandalore into the Clone Wars, as the arc they underwent subsequently, is terrific.
It's interesting hearing all this stuff regarding Mandalore and it's people over a decade later with Rebels & The Mandalorian expanding upon and in some cases retconning parts of it.
For example Jango Fett now being considered a real Mandalorian now, which can be written off as "Obi-Wan asked this one guy who ended up being evil so he was probably lying." and then there's Rebels stating that the Darksaber was made by a Mandalorian Jedi and not simply a stolen lightsaber.
I always thought it was pretty ambiguous as to whether Almec was being straight with Obi Wan and Jango wasn't a Mandalorian or if he was just trying to disavow him to save the political blowback of one of his citizens basically trying to kill a bunch of jedi, and maybe suceeding I don't recall if he got any in the Geonosis battle.
I think it is still intentionally left ambiguous. They're trynna have their cake and eat it too. Jango was still brought under Jaster Mereel's wing like in Legends but still became a bounty hunter (and stopped acting like a Mandalorian?) like how George Lucas intended
@Bryan 8108 There's nothing saying that Jango ever stopped acting like a Mandalorian. Bounty hunting is a VERY common trade for Mandalorians, and even Din Djarin is a bounty hunter.
And years later, The Mandalorian comes out. A full circle
Jared Garcia made by Dave AND Jon
@@gbrogo7139 right
@@gbrogo7139 always two there are. A master and a apprentice
I can't believe how much work they've put in the show. Amazing!
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's Amazing that This Arc opened The Door to things like The Mandalorian to Be Possible! I Love These Featurettes!
THIS IS MY FAVORITE SHOW OF ALL TIME!!!!!!
FORRRRRR THE REPUBLIC!!!!!!
FOR MANDALORE!
And now Happy will be directing the Mandalorian. May the Force be with him
This is why I love Star Wars, an entire civilisation and facet of the universe created from one cool-looking guy in the background of one scene who could’ve just as well been cut-out or had been removed. Now Mandalore/Mandalorians are a cornerstone, a pillar of the history of Star Wars and Star Wars content, to the point that its namesake is one of the most popular pieces of entertainment at the moment. Personally they always reminded me of Israel/Palestine conflict, with the struggle between trying to have peace and with the military side of it. More so the landscape and the cities remind me of how parts of Israel cities/settlements are pretty much within an inhospitable desert
To think that this sparked the mandalore arc in the clone wars and rebels as well as the mandalorian TV show.
These episodes are the first time I ever found the Mandalorians even the slightest bit interesting. I love the idea of a pacifist culture with a history of war that they're trying to leave behind. All the fanboy stuff around Boba Fett never made any sense to me. I mean, sure the armor's cool, but he's not even the most cool looking of the bounty hunters to me. I always thought Bossk or Zuckuss looked way more interesting.
Nobody ever likes Dengar... Thats okay tho IG-88 is where its at
@Keith Carpenter that would actually be bossk
true blue actually Greedo was the first bounty hunter. He was trying to return Han back to Jabba
@@jbrewerbass Touche. I forgot about him.
As much as I love boba fett now, and his armor is pretty epic too, I could never understand all of the hype about him, he barely talked, and "died" in a stupid way.
It's so nice to see Dave Filoni geek out and express his love for Star Wars history and canon and in contrast making it ever more disappointing when Disney execs say things like canon doesn't matter.
these people are amazing
In case you guys weren't aware, Kilian Plunkett has a legacy with Lucasfilm. His first major Star Wars project was Shadows of the Empire.
Its cool to see the evolution from mandalorian armour to clone armor to phase 2 armour to storm trooper armour. I think this is the kind of attention to details and love to the lore of star wars that the new movies are missing.
I knew the Mandalorians had an nordic aspect, them being such warriors.
10:21 Years later, it was retconned so that Boba's armor was Jango's armor with a new paint job.
Little did Dave know that a few years later him and Jon would be working on one of the greatest shows ever
When they met for this, they might have started talking on the kernel of an idea, that would eventually become The Mandalorian.
@@shugaroony perhaps.
Eh, it's okay. But it's really just a live action RPG complete with sidequests. :P
Jango and Boba are mandos now, yeah yeah
That’s a nice attention to detail then by making the laser of Mando’s disintegration rifle yellow!
Never noticed that in the show, will look out for it when I get round to watching it, yet again!
Very well done show and Satine was beautifully animated. Reminds me of Vera Farmiga for some reason
11:28
looking back its interesting how he talks about something changing with the armor from clone wars to the age of the empire as we see different armor with different houses in rebels
it also makes me wonder if the green armor will be explained in the mandalorian show thats been rumored
It's really interesting to look back on pre-Mandalorian comments like this.
Jango is a god damn Mandalorian! So is Boba, you can't take this away from me, and you can't take the Mandalorian heritage away from the Clones!!!
it'll always be part of pre Disney canon, George's canon. yeah George made this decision, but just like c3po blinking and ewoks talking in English. ITS NTO MEANT TO BE CANON. only Disney added TCW to their canon, it was never canon to George.
+Unchainedmaple888 So.... Mandalorians are a race?! What-- now?! They are Nordic blonde race? Well that's pretty lame. So much of the cool idea of being adopted and enlisting. I'll stick with Jango Open Seasons as my Canon. Dave change of direction makes no sense. "Rob Boba of his uniqueness?" Flash forward to Rebels and he has Sabine with ridiculous rainbow colour armour >_< Mandalore be damned! I am just glad Mereel isn't alive to see this awful shit.
SSJ BLAIRE WHITE Sama According to Dave Filoni, TCW was always cannon to George along with his films. The Eu to Dave and George was ALWAYS lower cannon. There was only the films and clone wars. It wasn't disneys ide to make TCW Part of the main cannon. It already was considered that officially by the creator himself.
@SunnyD88, @KLamki1, @Mandalorian Patriot, I would like to direct you all to the opening scene of Star Wars Episode III when the clones are being shot at by vulture droids. Go in to 00:04:10. You will find the clone pilot in the scene has a Mandalorian crest on his pilot helmet. Nice little easter egg that goes by fast, and makes me think they were actually associated with the Mandalorians in the movies since Fett is the blueprint. If any of you watch and find it please respond to this thread with your thoughts.
@@KLamki1 I hope you're watching the Mandalorian because now its a creed. I hope that satisfies you. I'm very happy with that.
0:55 the inspiration for Captain Rex's helmet decals!
They’re called Jaig eyes.
2:23
One thing I love about this show is how much tribute it pays to the wider mythos of the SW universe and how much it incorporates the EU. Not like the sequel trilogy, that just did away with all the great EU stories that we fans have come to love so much through the experiencing the novels, games and comics. As it turned out, the sequel trilogy had no soul at all.
@@hugocardenas9180 How so?
@@MrZackavelli It didn't. NOT at all. Clone Wars did NOT "sHaT AlL OvER tHE eU rIgHt" as this fool tries to imply in the slightest. Don't listen to this child because he has ZERO idea on what he's saying at all.
@@hugocardenas9180 The Clone Wars did NOT "shat" all over the EU as you try to imply in a negative way as you imply AT ALL. The Star Wars expanded Universe is MASSIVE and it can't ALL be canon and it can't all mesh well so no duh things have to be changed and dropped. The clone wars "multimedia project" OBVIOUSLY couldn't be canon the same time as Clone Wars should so it HAD to be dropped, it didn't "contradict" ANY of that as it was there. Things needed to be dropped, no different from star wars legends books that were from the 90s.
"contradict" means they both exists at the same time, which they CLEARLY don't. NONE of those changes in the "article" you tried to list out in "wookiepdia" is NOT "all the contradictions" AT ALL because they were dropped previous stories that couldn't all be canon at the same time. That should be EXTREMELY obvious if you use your damn head that you're clearly not.
Brining back characters who "died" like "adi gallia" and "eeth koth" (who got an unbelievably anticlimactic death in episode 3) is NOT Clone Wars's responsibility in the slightest as that was done in a comic, NOT the show. That should ALSO be extremely obvious you fool. Use your head and think clearly.
Adi Gallia DIED in the Clone Wars episode from Savage, she didn't get "brought back" anywhere else and if she did, it's noncanon. The same way how Shaak Ti as several deaths in other media that's not canon.
The changed to the planets like Dathomir was MASSIVELY improved in order to be an oppressive dark planet more than ever.
Here you are thinking anything that was changed was a negative, it wasn't and isn't at all. Most of the changes are MASSIVE improvements of things that were there from any said character's personalities and race that were changed WERE improved upon. But is your feeble brain seems to think "change=bad", lol are you for real? YOu're not this dense enough to believe that garbage do you? Most of the changes improved ALOT of the stuff that was once there.
Stop thinking this nonsense that anything in the old EU is going to stay the same throughout time because it's NOT, alot of that stuff IS going to change entirely.
But nothing was deliberately "shat all over the eu rIgHt" That's nonsense and complete putrid thinking to say or even think of.
The Clone Wars tried doing it's on thing by bringing back as many old things into canon territory while some other writers changed aspects to improve upon things that which they perceive.
How about you actually think things through before you speak.
Like I said, the clone wars did NOT “shAt alL oVEr” the EU at all, the clone wars’ existence means some things needed to get dropped and get change. And those things that changed were a MASSIVE improvement from whatever came before. Don’t listen to this ignorant child who doesn’t know anything about what he’s saying right now as he’s just spewing nonsense.
Awesome upload! In Dave & Jon I trust. Thank U Lucas!
I thought Boba's green-red-yellow pallette was the result of old age or rust. By rust I mean like how iron goes from grey to red and copper from bronze to green.
11:56 white DS. Simpler times.
I remember being so excited seeing these guys
I didnt know John Faverou voiced Pre Visla😯
Dave fucking loves the mandolorians
Brilliant.
with our first exposure to Mandalorian people being tamuera morrison, i wish they went more maori based warrior culture tbh
Space spartans
Anyone here after Mando came out? It was amazing
Thanks for uploading these!
this aged interestingly
Jon Favreau looks like he's having fun being Pre Visla.
You guys are awesone
This is the reason why I want that Boba Fett film by James Mangold. I want to see the history btw end of clone wars and pre Empire and Return of the Jedi. Put Dave Filoni on the film as producer and Im 100% excited for the film. Great Video!!!!!
Go, Jon! Go!
It’s nice to see that Dave Filony and the clone wars/ Star Wars crew using the Crystalized surface idea in the new Mandalorian season, I love starwars :)
So, they wanted to make Mandalore great again?
8:32 I never realized that's clone armor
So what was the point in retconning Jango and Boba's Mando background?
to just fuck around .George never wanted TCW to be canon but Disney added it to their canon. ITs a good show but clearly its non canon to the pre Disney canon. just like when George made ewoks and droids. things like blining c3po isn't canon.
blinking* srry
George flat out said to Dave Filoni that the show and movies are the only thing that's canon.
not retcon, EU was not canon.
Jango's background is still a mystery, so there's still a chance that he's Mandalorian.
maybe boba has mostly green armor because of a constant regime change. When maul takes over, they changed to red, so maybe the governor guy changed the armor again or someone fought for his position and did it. Multiple iterations would explain the different colors on boba
it’s interesting to watch this after mando season 2
This is what we want to see in the Gallery for the Mandalorian show
I'm just finding this now, always looking for Mando stuff. C'mon search algorithms...
I like how The Clone Wars has basically forced a ton of stuff established in Legends into being canon, despite Disney trying to pretend none of that happened in the "real" Star Wars universe.
They never said that they would never use things from the EU. They just got rid of the old timeline so it would be easier for them to creat things in canon. I’m sure that plenty of people will look to the EU for inspiration for things.
lol they never said anything like that, it's just that it was much easier to create new media with a blank slate. It's called "legends" because they can go and have gone back to old EU material and re-canonize them
Disney has canonized a ton of shit lmao what’re you on
@@SalaciousBCrumb-wt3he Yes, they can then pick and choose what they want to bring back, like Darth Bane for example, here with Mandalore, or Thrawn going into the Rebels timeline.
in the star wars galaxy the mandalorians are this 3rd wheel of everything cause you have the jedi with the republic and the sith with their empires and then you just have normal people with metal armor and i really like that idea
This is the way.
I come back to this regularly to hear Filoni explain the history of Mandalorians in the EU...
I still think it was a mistake to retcon Jango as not a Mandalorian. It just raises more unnecessary questions.
Well I think he is a mandalorian again as a foundling like the guy from mandalorian (din jarin?)
@@rundownpear2601 That was my head canon considering what he said in Star Wars: Bounty Hunter. I figured Jango came from a separate sect and Almec simply didn't have all the information. However, Word of God from George is pretty damming.
Garrett Carter George Lucas historically says stuff and thinks it through later so for now that is gonna be my canon. Maybe if boba fett actually shows up in mandalorian season 2 it will get clarified
@@rundownpear2601 Dude...how??
@@redershyper Yeah legit, dude was on the money.
This is the way
What paramilitary group or armed forces did hey based Death Watch off of?
I just like to think that Almec's comment about Jango being a "Common Bounty Hunter" is just him trying to cover Mandalore's ass. You know politicians like to cover their asses.
Tony Stank I don’t think it is. Almec wasn’t lying. George specifically put that line in there to make it clear that Jango Fett was not Mandalorian.
@@alpatrickson7706No it WAS. Almec WAS lying. Jango Fett IS a mandalorian and NOTHING was changed NOR was anything a problem here.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Nah. Almec isn’t lying
@@alpatrickson7706 he was or trying to get the heat off his trail by saying Jango fett wasn’t Mando so people wouldn’t know his true sinister nature as Jedi were investigating mandolare. He didn’t want people to know anything bad associated with him at all.
When i was watching this as a kid I was actually really upset that Jango wasn't a mandalorian, this was long before I even knew about the EU and TCW and movies being the only SW media I saw. But after seeing what type of person Almec really was i just assumed he disowned Jango.
Now after having read some EU media, I cant even imagine how much people were upset that he wasnt a mando, when he even had an ancestor who was a very important figure in mando history.
Well, it was clear that the current Mandalorian government at the time would not want the name of their planet and people to be associate with a bounty hunter who were involving with the multiple assassination attempts on senator Padme who was a friend with the leader of Mandalore at the time Duchess Satine.
There are always easy explaination if you interpretate the situation and events in the story.
Take a drink every time Killian Plunkett says 'Sort of' !!!
What's unfair is how they're saying people automatically assumed Jango was a Mando, just because of his armour, despite the fact there were a few EU comics, & Games about him being a mandalorian.
That's what those comics did - the writers assumed he was Mandalorian.
He is a Mandalorian, but he's also a bounty Hunter who works alone.
he is not a mando because George didn't consider him one and that's enough for me
caesar rome ok sheep
Jango Fett IS a mandalorian and NOTHING was changed NOR was anything a problem here. Stop whining over absolutely nothing here. You're not making any sense as you're whining and moaning over an issue that's not there.
I love Jon Favreau
04:24 Don't make a lyre out of me.
I can see why Jon made a dope ass series on the mandalorain now
Thank god boba fett was designed
We don't deserve Dave Filoni
Why?
@@aabrahamjerry6285 he means that ironically. dave is just too good!
2019 anyone ?
Can’t wait to watch The Mandalorian this year
I don’t care what others say, Jango will always be a Mandalorian in my mind
This aged well. Thank you for your loyalty to Jango Fett. 100 points awarded 🎉
18:00 why he should be the next one in charge at Lucasfilm
Jon Faveau voiced pre vizla? that explains alot!
And Paz Viszla.
God damn it, Almek was trying to cover up the fact there still existed warrior Mandalorians! If Jango had survived the battle of Galidraan (always referred to as the last battle between the Jedi and the Mandalorians) then it would be easy for the Jedi to assume more of them did, and would have made the Jedi to look for them, most skilled Jedi fighters in the galaxy
man, you could upload special features of Star Wars Rebels ? pleaseeeeeeeee man
Most of the extras from Rebels are already on the Star Wars channel. There isn't really any that are similar to the Clone Wars behind the scenes stuff, they are only around 5 minutes long. I've tried uploading one of the videos that isn't on the Star Wars channel only to have it immediately taken down and I got a copyright strike.
Cool bro, and the season 2 bluray bonus disc?
I love your work collecting all this valuable material
I don't actually own season 2 yet. However, I believe that any videos from it that I try to upload will also be automatically taken down.
Ironic that Jon Favreau who voiced Pre Vizsla of Death Watch became the one who direct The Mandalorian series.
This is the Way.
Jangoooo and boba are mandalorians! Its canon nowww
Nope not quite.
Only Jango was a foundling while Boba was not and doesn’t follow the creed, meaning that Boba is not a Mandalorian.
How times have changed 😌.
When it comes to the back story of Boba and Jango.
Thabk you Mandolorian season 2.
Jango and Boba are still not mandalorian. All we know is Jango was a foundling under Jaster Mereel. For all we know we abandoned that life to become a bounty hunter, and we definitely know Boba doesn't associate with the mandalorians at all aside from his father's armour. So they're having thekr cake and eating it too with Jango simultaneously being associated with Jaster Mereel like in Legends while not being Mandalorian like George Lucas intended.
@@Bryan-dr5qyjango is definitely a mandalorian, he fought in their war, he was born in Concord dawn, he was a foundling. Mandalorian in any book, Boba? Not at all, he just uses the armor of one, and maybe he knows some of their ways and methods because of jango and his lessons, but that's not being a Mando.
Jedi Master Dooku fighting Mandolorians. Yes Please!
0:55 So is that where they got the helmet design for Cpt. Rex?
@General Grievous I thought he was mostly based off of Alpha-17 from the comics and the reason for not using him was because there would be too many characters with names beginning with A
So.... Boba Fett was the reason why the Siege of Mandalore in SWTCW season 7 exists. Woah
He did not include the republic commando books by Karen traviss in his list. :/
Because then he would have to address all the contradictions they made to that.
Let's hope they keep adding old EU stuff back into the new canon. That's just to much great material and hours of work wasted just because they didn't fit into someone's vision.
I have made my own Mandalorian Armour.
Jango Fett is a Mandalorian in spite of what these people tells ya!
nope lucas is the word
you don't get decide what's canon or not.
I have some good news
@@SharkyMcSnarkface Do you?
Jango Fett IS a mandalorian and NOTHING was changed NOR was anything a problem here. Stop whining over absolutely nothing here. You're not making any sense as you're whining and moaning over an issue that's not there.
"Everything you knew about the Mandalorians is still canon." Proceeds to retcon everything about the Mandalorians out of existence.
+zillafire101
Except they didn't. Only the Traviss novels that portrayed the Jedi as demons.
It would make sense that the Mandos would then be dominated by a peaceful government, considering the two factions of warriors were either driven to hiding or were extinct. Jango's Mandos got wiped out mostly by the Jedi, and before that, said Mandalorian army hounded the Death Watch.
+HolyknightVader999 Except yeah, they where. There are no aliens in their ranks, something referenced before Traviss, Mandalore is a waste land, which it was not, even before Traviss got involved. There is no reference to the Taung, which existed before Traviss. Mandalorians are suddenly all important, instead of just being an obscure little group marching around the Mandalore sector, which was in place before Traviss. And if everything is canon, where are the True Mandalorians? Why would Mandos join Death Watch, a group they hate and revile above all others, even Jedi, just because of a few Pacifists. The True Mandalorians always made it their goal to fight Death Watch, yet now their gone. Again, they where around before Traviss. So, looking at the fact, we find your wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrongy wrong wrong.
zillafire101
The Death Watch was a small fringe group, where we never saw aliens there before. The True Mandalorians also didn't have aliens, and in the KOTOR games, there were no alien Mandos either. Also, the peaceful Mandalorians had aliens slumming around the starports, so there's that. They just didn't join either the Death Watch or the True Mandalorians.
The Taung were extinct for 4000 years. Revan killed them all at Malachor. Of course nobody's gonna talk about them. They didn't talk about them in the Bounty Hunter game where Mandalorian culture was a central part of the story. (both the hero and the rival are Mandos) So no shit, why would they be talking about a species that's been dead for 4000 years?
Also, aren't all the True Mandalorians dead? Isn't that why Jango was a subject-less Mandalore, and why Spar hated the Jedi? Although to be fair, that was Dooku's fault-it was him who gave the orders to massacre the Mandos. Which is why Spar and the other Mandalorians should have declared war on the Separatists as well, because their head honcho is the one who ordered the Jedi to slaughter the TM like pigs.
The Death Watch survived the destruction of the True Mandalorians, and with the one Mandalorian group who hates them being out of the picture (and with the Protectors in the TCW/Rebels canon fighting for the Republic elsewhere in places like Mygeeto) the Death Watch would be the one group left who is still slumming around Mandalore and offering to train people as warriors. Propaganda's one hell of a thing. The Nazis were repulsive bastards, but it didn't stop them from recruiting people both inside and outside of Germany to kill Jews. Also, didn't later Mandalorian groups accept Death Watch members by Boba Fett''s time?
Traviss turned the Mandalorians into a race of Mary Sues and over-blamed the Jedi for what was Dooku's and the Chancellor's faults. We know this because later on, Traviss made Jaina Solo beg Boba Fett to teach himn how to kill Jedi, which is complete bullshit, since at the time, they were facing a Sith, not a Jedi, and the two are very different in powers and combat dogma: a Jedi has moral weaknesses one can exploit and doesn't use offensive Force powers, while a Sith will use offensive Force powers and have no compunction in sacrificing allies to win. The part where Jaina has to beg Fett for help then get beaten up by him was such fanfiction bullshit that probably convinced Lucasarts to scrap her work about the Mandalorians. A more sensible plot would have been Boba Fett helping Han Solo out after Jacen's fall to the Dark Side, as a noble gesture to someone who was once a worthy adversary, in the same way Canderous helped out Revan and the Jedi Exile. But no, we have to have Jaina Solo regard Fett as a memetic badass despite the fact that she and her Sith brother can probably snap his neck with a thought.
As for the army of Clone slaves, we have Dooku and Jango to thank for that, one seeking to please his master, the other seeking to get richer instead of rebuilding Mandalore like Canderous did. Then we have the Cul'Vay'Dar to blame for helping Jango with this plot, and the Chancellor to blame for the war entirely. All the Jedi did was to do their duty to the Republic. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said before, the Jedi are either too good or too stupid to be purposefully evil, outside of those who turned to the Dark Side because they foresaw, correctly, that the Jedi will lose.
+HolyknightVader999 No, there where a good many True Mandalorians left. Lucas just shoved this in here to try and bring it to his vision, of genetic warriors, being generic assholes with no culture or identity outside of "we hatez jedi". Again with this, Traviss didn't write Spars character, and you forget the Mandalorian Protectors and True Mandos where separate groups at this time, with the two even clashing at one point. Most Mandalorians where already neutral, not because they where nuked to shit, but because they simply stayed out, and worked as mercenaries for both sides. No, they accepted members around Spar's time, to redeem themselves on the battlefield. Boba Fett in fact stated his father's greatest legacy was destroying Death Watch. I read the book, and it made sense. Boba is the guy whose slayed force users all over. You want to fight a force user of any kind and it requires the same techniques really. Hide emotions, ambush, surprise, and use whatever it takes to put them off balance. You seem offly butthurt, considering your so gung ho about "Duty" and soldiers fighting even if their drafted or enslaved, you should love Traviss' work and her love of the military. I've already told you, the Cul'vay'dar where regretful over it, and trying to get as many clones out to make up for ruining their lives. If your stupid to understand that, your intelligence must be on the same level as Dave Fiolni's. Did you, not watch the video, where it shows a Togorian and a Mandallian in Mandalorian armor? Again, too stupid to see with your fucking eyes? Ah, the Jedi aren't to blame at all. They only fucked over Mandalorians without asking questions, used a slave army, created their own worst enemy in the form of Grievous, and alienated several by enforcing a corrupt Republic's rules. Notice most of that got retconned out by TCW? Almost like they want the Jedi to be perfect, infallible little angels. And don't talk to me about Mandalorians being Sues. Look to the Jedi, Canon by the way, named Rey. Oh yes, totally not a sue. Again, as I stated elsewhere, your a goddamn idiot. Grow a brain cell in that fucking thick skull of yours. it would do you some good. But your a little toy soldier, doing your duty. What can I expect, you to think?
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But that's exactly what the True Mandalorians, and the Mandalorian Protectors in the Traviss novels were. Whining about why they hate the Jedi despite the fact that the Jedi beat them in their game fair and square. The Jedi ordered them to stand down or be destroyed, they refused, and died. That's war. The old KOTOR Mandalorians understood that and had no hard feelings for the Jedi in their timeline-shit, they even venerated the Jedi who wiped them out as some kind of saint. The TM and the Protectors in the Traviss novels bitch about hating the Jedi because the Jedi defeated them at Galidraan.
And of course, the Clone Army. Which the Jedi only took command of because it was their fucking duty. You can go and blame Dooku, blame Palpatine, blame Jango and the Cul'Vay'Dar for the situation the Clones are in. The Jedi? They're just doing their job. Dooku and Palpatine are doing it for the sake of power, Jango and the Cul'Vay'Dar are doing it for the sake of getting paid. Don't give me that pigshit about regret. Regret doesn't help anyone, you useless dipshit. Both parties are creating and sending an entire army of slave clones to die to achieve material gain. The Jedi? They led the Clones into battle and died alongside them because it's what their nation and religion told them to. They don't gain anything from it, and they even die from it.
So again, we come back to the reason as to why the Traviss fans hate the Jedi, which are nothing but COMPLETE BULLSHIT. Dooku and Palpatine were the ones to blame for the war in the first place, and Jango and his Cul'Vay'Dar pals all agreed to that power-hungry plan because more money for them. This despite the fact that Jango could have taken that five million credits he won from killing Komari Vosa go gather the Cul'Vay'Dar, and gone off to rebuild the Mandalorian clans. He was a money-hungry jackass for agreeing to sell his genes to make a slave army, and the Cul'Vay'Dar are also all money-hungry jackasses for agreeing with him in raising and training a slave army. The Jedi had nothing to gain from leading the army aside from exhaustion or a blaster bolt through them. So from all of this, the Jedi stand the most blameless. Traviss' Mandos helped create and train the clones, going along with the Sith because of money. So if there's anyone to blame for the whole "clone slave" crisis, it's Jango and his Mandos. At least the Sith had an altruistic vision of making the galaxy more orderly, and the Jedi were just trying to restore peace, so they have the argument of fighting for the greater good. The Traviss Mandos? They all went along with violations of ethics for a pay stub.
Also, Boba's tactics for taking out Jedi are completely irrelevant in fighting Sith. All that stealth bullshit won't work on a Sith that can sense you coming a parsec away and can end you with a thought. It really doesn't make any sense, considering Fett can't even take out Vader, and the man Jaina was after was STRONGER than Vader. Jacen is practically an unsullied Darth Vader bumped up to full potential. Boba's bushwhacker tactics worked on lesser Jedi who are easily distracted. Not master-rank Jedi like Shaak Ti or Obi-Wan Kenobi.
"You want to fight a force user of any kind and it requires the same techniques really. Hide emotions, ambush, surprise, and use whatever it takes to put them off balance."
That shit didn't work on Darth Vader, and it sure as fuck won't work on his more powerful grandson. Vader was defeated through cheer force, and the same could be said for Sidious when both Mace Windu and Luke Skywalker fought him, in Episode III and Dark Empire, respectively. Even if you pull that shit on that wimp Kylo Ren, he'll just freeze your blaster bolts then freeze you, then chop your heads off. There's a reason why it's the Jedi, not the Mandalorians, who take out Dark Lords of the Sith.
The Jedi didn't massacre the Mandos out of nowhere. They didn't create the Clone Army. They didn't create Grievous. They offered peaceful surrender to the Mandos, and the Mandos ignored it and fought. The Sith created the Clone Army, and you blame the Jedi for it, even though it was just one Jedi Councilor being influenced by Dooku and Sidious. And they didn't create Grievous-Dooku did, by blowing up his shuttle then training him as a duelist. You tend to blame the Jedi for shit they didn't do. The only thing they did was enforce the Republic's rule, and that was just them serving the people, since the people are the ones who send in the Senators who give the Jedi orders. So the one thing wrong with the Jedi was that they were lemmings controlled by democracy. And you state that as a bad thing. So I suppose democracy is evil, from your point of view? All the Jedi did was try to protect democracy. And that's apparently wrong!
I am sooooooo FREAKING slow!!! I can't believe all this time visla was voiced by jon!
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Ironic that the old look of Mando's looked like a bunch of Bobba Fetts and that "Robbed his uniqueness" yet Bobba turned out to eb a Clone and the grand army of the Republic all share his face hahaha