MPC STEMS for standalone (including audio examples)
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Yeah, that's right!
MPC Stems is now available as a feature for standalone mode on the MPC's!
Let's take a look at it and test it out on a few samples.
This is not a 1 to 1 copy of the stem separation for the MPCsoftware on desktop and it doesn't use the same algorithm. It's way lighter on the processor which means that it's not as powerful as on the desktop software.
BUT It works! - It does stem separation natively on the hardware MPC's! I'm pretty impressed by just that.
I'll let you decide what to feel about the quality of it from my audio examples in the video. My two examples isn't really much to go by but hopefully it gives you some kind of idea on what to expect out of this.
It honestly feels like we're living in the future.
Free sample pack and other stuff:
www.accuratebeats.com
The garbling of the audio reminds me of the late 90s mp3 algorithms 😁
Late 90s MP3 algorithms? No any MP3 algorithms at low bitrate or WMA at low bitrate. Not the algorithms themselves which sounded fine at high bit rates 🙄
Not really. You can still hear a difference between the 320kbps and the .wav but even those who pretend to care . . don't. You would shit yourself if you knew how bad the MP3 format for example crushed the hihats and as a result, there's a whole generation of kids who think hihats like that sound good. They don't, never did or ever will. It pains me every time I hear that encoding on the samples of the artists I like because it was and still is shit and anyone with the ears accustomed to the CD format know that. But to each their own.
Actually they sound worse in this Standalone version. It's unusable.
@@ban_all_religion For that ultimate lo-fi sound of the 2024. They will refer to these comments at the Reddit comment chains as it "garbling like the late 90s mp3 algorithms" . . I think first of those producers was born yesterday 😂
@@pirateradioFPV Yeah I think at bitrates as high as 320kbps most psychoacoustic compromise from compression is so diminished that most people can't hear the difference. This talk of hi-hats sounding inferior is I'm sure absolutely true at say 128kbps but at the top end it's swerving violently into pretentious bullshit audiophile fantasy land.
Thank you for this comparison. The difference is night and day. I think the better way to to use stem feature is to do the stem separation in controller mode, save the project and then continue in standalone.
Thank you for taking the time to run through the a/b comparison. There was no way Stems was dropping on Standalone without limitations.
Just wanted to give you some huge props for speaking honestly and doing a fair comparison between them! Seems like it needs a little more time. Kind of surprised Akai didn't create a "Cloud Stem" subscription service and have the standalone MPCs upload samples to a web server that then creates the stems at high qualitty with the Desktop algorithm, and then lets you download them after they process. Sort of like the Splice downloading feature lets you pull in cloud based samples.
Thank god, Akai knows their crowd 😅
No worries, I'm sure it's in the works already 😅 SaaS Applications are the way to earn money with software nowadays. Even Akai knows.
Yeah, I guess there would be a lot of ways to use some kind of cloud service for this. I wonder if Akai would want to store a bunch of users samples online though... Sounds like an expensive subscription model in that case but what do I know?
HELL NO, I wouldn't pay for another subscription service just to have stems, enough with the subscriptions allready, my money is hard earned and wouldn't pay for that.💯
@@themrworldwideid only pay if the stems cloud service produces were flawless. throw a death metal song at it and you get near perfect stems? sign me up. throw a psytrance track at it and you get clean stems? sign me up. anything less is a nogo imo.
At that point, just use Koala to stem separate on your phone and bring them into the MPC after.
Facts
Hard facts.
Cold Hard Facts.
I have to be creative, but I can def. use the stems, changing my mind frame from expecting a clean version of the original, If I can get anything usable I will cook with it..
Phase-related artifacts, weird transients and a hollow sound like a notched band pass filter has been applied across the sample. I love it, sounds both ghastly and ghostly. Thanks for doing this!
Haha! Can't tell if you're sarcastic or not. Still kinda agree though :D
Haha truth. As I was listening I was thinking it actually would fit pretty well w the sound of the trash I cook up
Standalone stems are created using the 'zPlane Stems Efficient' algorithm, desktop MPC uses 'zPlane Stems Pro' for highest quality. The issue is mostly due to the computing power of the standalone.
I find that samples from vinyl or CD seem to be better for stem separation than samples from YT or Spotify, etc., and my guess is that file compression is the culprit. The more compression, the less dynamic range. This makes for less …accurate 😉 separation.
TBH, I’m happy using Serato Studio for stem separation, then dumping everything into my Push Standalone, which kicks the shit out of MPC, for standalone warping.
Great demo. Love the A/B comparison.
I'm excited for this, even though the quality isn't quite there yet. Because this means it won't be long for it to make its way into EngineDJ standalone devices as well.
True. And who knows what the future will bring? Maybe this algorithm will get updated with later versions?
@@AccurateBeatsLet's hope so.
The difference ain't just a feeling its crystal clear how different they are. Thank for the vid. If it's still just a tenner though then I guess it's still worth the punt for sho
I was surprised they'd announce stem separation coming to MPC standalone because it's such a computationally intensive process and frankly... the MPC hardware just isn't that powerful. Pretty much any iPad/iPhone has significantly more processing power and Koala's stem separation can heat my phone up really quickly! MPC Standalone is going to struggle.
To me it sounds useable but it makes the feature more of a stylistic choice than a pragmatic one.
Why not just make the processing time longer on a slower processor? Shouldn't be a problem.
could be optional: hq (slow) / lq (fast)
WE NEED TO BE MORE REALILISTIC ???? ARE YOU JOKING???? akai needs to be more realistic about making better gear ...tell me why can i buy a i7 64 gb OF RAM computer for $500 bucks but i get a crappy processor and 2gb of ram in a mpc for $1500 ..i think people forget the mpc is a computer and akai is robbing the hell out of us ...im sticking with fl studio ..oh yeah the stems were free and sound a 1000% better
Thanks so much for making this! I hate the MPC software so much, and I was really curious about how well Stems would work on standalone. Not bad considering the processing power was at a make money level and not a make the best products level. Wayyy better than no stem separation, and definitely good enough for what I make 😂
This is a nice example of the difference between "can do" and "should do". Personally I still use my 2013 MPC Studio and a 2014 laptop. Stems are okay on that. And alone stems are not meant to be used. In a mix......maybe.
The sample pack creators are mad.
Hahaha
I wonder if they could add different options to the quality of the stems and realize that the higher quality will take longer in stand alone mode due to lower processing power
The higher quality probably needs more ram too. Maybe if they limit the sample size to a couple seconds...
Great video bro!!!
Thanks for the breakdown
I really hope we get updated/improved algorithms eventually
They said it will improve..
EVERYONE!! Try sampling from a cassette player with a speed variation for sampling. The frequencies are different when sampling from a cassette and it sounded way better when I’ve tried separation this way on the standalone. ✌️
If AKAI CAN, PROVIDE STEMS FOR iMPC ,then provide linkage to the 2.0 ,maybe then it would give a cleaner stemming if using Standalone away from your desktop computer, Practically Everyone has a Smartphone Today...AKAI SHOULD PROVIDE STEMS FOR ALL THE ECOSYSTEMS....THAT'S FACTS
Gotta have it! I've been using FL for stems on desktop but now that it's available for standalone. Only $10 it's worth it! I'm buying today. 🎉 thank you for the video.
Thanks for the a/b. Usable for prototyping and you could swap out for a controller mode hq rendering before mix down.
Sounds as bad as when I first tested it when it was still in beta. BUT, Better have it than nothing at all in standalone. If you still chop the stems and select snippets instead of entire loops it is pretty useable to me
Agree sounds like shit mumbles
The vocals come out pretty clean. It’s like magic 🪄 ❤
Good for converting Audio to Midi -
They could have told us before we purchased Stems that the standalone very will sound like crappie before we spent our money
That's a valid point. If anyone expected the quality to be the same.... I feel for them
Bro, it’s $10. You have it for both. Stop being a baby
Because the desktop version is using zPlane Pro and the standalone units are using the express version of zPlane. This is the same utility used by Sonas, Live and Logic and many more.
Interesting! I'm a Mpc one newbee, I'm guessing 'stems' for standalone would work better on dance, trance, house, techno ect. For me it's not a big deal to process the stems on my pc then drop that on my Mpc one SD card. For me I'm 90% standalone as I like sitting in a cafe making beats and I don't have a home studio and soo for me the standalone stems seem another good tool for exploring sample based music. 🎉
Don't see the point of using the standalone if the quality doesn't match up. You need stems that sound as clear as possible, without artefacts. The Openvino plugin for Audacity beats all other stem separators for quality.
Oh wow thanks for the comparison, now I can avoid wasting my time trying it in standalone. It is terrible..
Nice one Mano)
Useful hint ❤
Yo, big fan of your channel!
What kind of keyboard do you use? I am getting a new, smaller one, and the one you use looks perfect 🙂
Thanks a lot!
The computer keyboard? That’s the smaller version of Apples Magic Keyboard. It’s not mechanical or anything crazy like that but built to Apples high standard.
@@AccurateBeats awsome! Thanks for the quick reply, and keep up the good work 😎
That just means don’t use it when it’s subpar.
Ok STEMS Standalone is catastrophic.
Not at all, used it last night. If you’re a sample based producer, it’s great, artifacts can be eq’d out etc …
Granted the desktop has a better algorithm, but folk are degrading sounds on purpose so a little won’t kill the soup
@@dja.selekta I guess it depends what you expect or do with it
What MPC do you have ?
i tried stemming prodigys poison on desktop using a pc with a mere n100 cpu. results were horrible. i havent tried anything else, but ill try with a pc that has 13500 in it. and will definitely try simpler stuff, shorter stuff, not entire songs. havent tried standalone and i do expect worse results than desktop. what i will definitely try are sample chops from sample packs that have a few instruments in it, see how that goes. i often find those that have, i dunno, interesting pad in the background or an effect that i like, so ill try grabbing those with stemming. i dont expect miracles, but happy accidents… definitely, lol. i just wish i could throw an entire techno or psytrance song into it, extract bassline, drums and etc and then using stems for djing. iirc native instruments had stems and you could purchase, mostly electronic music, songs that were stemmed right from the get go, and i always wondered why hasnt it taken off. take drums from song a, bassline from song b, effects from song c, pads from song d and everything vice versa and create a dj mix.
@Accurate Beats Good to hear from you, hope all is well. 🫡
Just tried separating stems on my mpcx. Pathetic. Logic Pro does a superb job.
I can already tell that The people who expect The exact same quality/speed in stand alone, for the stems, gonna make me 😂😂
Could come in handy still in a pinch?
I'm amazed how much worse it does the stem separation compared to A LOT of free tools out there and then still have the audacity to brand it as "Professional".
I know you said it eats up RAM but for sake of completeness how long will it take to stem a 3 - 4 mins regular pop song on standalone?
Wow. The difference between the PC version and standalone version is very very sad to me. The guitar sounds much better and clearer on the PC. Thanks for the comparisons.
Idk how to get an external loop into the desktop mpc beats sample section !!
Logic Pro x has the best audio separation in terms of sound quality, in my opinion
Yeah, I think I agree! At least when it comes eto something integrated in a daw.
i can live with making stems on the mac. I would rather love to see the BLEASS Arpeggiator to the MPC or something as good. And more Midi Mangling tools which let you make variations of midi files. What also would be nice is the groove extractor from ableton. So i could throw in audio of some famous drummer for example, they get analyzed and i can then use that groove for my beats. Oh: and i would LOVE to see the STOLPERBEATS J DILLA Eurorack Module ported to the MPC !
Just bought it today and was having issues installing it. Now it seems the only way to keep it activated is my MPC One (older version) must stay online. I registered the product and downloaded it to my MPC One but I can’t use it? WTF
8:52 Standalone stems is different / weaker than PC version 🤨
Just make a new mpc with cpu power to handle this
Why Akai? Always a catch
Dope. 💥#LinkInBio
Sago Accurate
I can’t install this on standalone
MPC is old tech with less Processing Power..
If you're a beat maker it shouldn't be a problem to just sample 8 or 16 second samples at a time worst case scenario do it in your computer and come back,
just get koala lol
Oh. bummer. Guess it makes sense...not exactly a computing powerhouse in there. Maybe it will create it's own asthetic.
That's a really good point. Sometimes, a bad sound is exactly what you need.
@@TheLugdunum69 Maybe someday someone will make a video going "oh yea, hear that MPC first gen stems sound? So Iconic!" haha
@@AndyTanguay exactly what I was thinking about. A "stems24' sound" plug-in in 25 years. 😁
Maybe we can bring the 32kbps mp3 aesthetic as the new low-fi sound of 2024
Glass half full. I agree. People complaining about this are hilarious 😂 It’s $10! We have it on desktop and standalone.
@AccurateBeats could you compare the quality of STEM from akai (standalone version) to the track splitting in KoalaSampler?
I thought about doing that but it takes a lot of time. I’d say that those are closer to one another than the desktop MPC stems
Thx for the comparison. Night and day difference. I know you wouldn’t say the standalone was unusable but I certainly would. Especially if you’re home and have the computer right there.
Thanks for watching. I know... It's really bad compared to the desktop software but its still better than nothing. I ned to use this for a while to really make up my mind about it. Iäm also hoping for an improved algorithm in the future... Who knows?
probably better to throw the sample over to your phone and Koala and stem separate and fire back to mpc
Yeah not hard to notice the differents hey, soon as I got the standalone version I thought this sounds shite, I wont be using it.
Oooh man that sounds horrible on Standalone in comparison 😆
I'm pretty sure this is Akai's way of just getting everyone started who's been waiting but I'd expect they'll have a lot of updates in the future
Yeah, it doesn’t sound great…
I’m impressed that they got it to work in the first place but if you need proper stem separations, this ain’t it.
If you take what you need and then re-enter it into as a separate sample mpc does it still use as much memory ???
Oh no. The amount of memory it takes up depends on the length of the sample and the number of stems. What I showed in the video is pretty much a worst case scenario
Thanks for the speedy reply and much love for the vid. I'm guessing you also watching the trump shooting right now. I'm in UK and me and my friends all awake watching this
OMG! AKAI have done it again - a 2005 product that you can put on your 2005 computer (MPC)...and yes, I own an MPC! 🤦😖😤
Well I guess I was wrong. I said they’d never be able to do it on MPC standalone. I’ll own it. I admit I was wrong. However. I was right about one thing. If they ever did do it, it would be pretty awful…and yup, it is.
Yup awful
Yeah, I guess we couldn't expect the same quality from standalone as the desktop software... It's not very good, I 100% agree.
But it's there though... :P
@@AccurateBeats Exactly. At least people have it now.
Akai needs to stop. I understand it’s about business, but in 2024 processing power, and ram should not be an issue. Constantly introducing machines with a slight bump up and processing power. Also Ram. Smdh. I don’t care about new machines. I would much rather have a stronger system. We would pay for it in the 1990s we paid $4000 for a MPC 4000. I’m not saying they should charge that much . All I’m saying is that they can’t use the price as an excuse. The new stems feature sounds horrible on the standalone because of the processing power come on now.
Stem shorter chunks?
a few seconds takes like 5 minutes on MPC standalone, meanwhile my pc can stem out an entire 6 minute song in 15 seconds
Sounds bad! I'd rather wait three minutes of calculation for a much better result, for me it is nearly not usable
Thank you
Does this work in the keys 61?
Yeah
@@AccurateBeats
Awesommmmme!!
Thank you
SPOILER : IT'S CRAP!
Stems... just a way to dive deeper into using pre-recorded music instead of taking the time to learn an instrument....
thats so stupid that there would be a quality difference, let the thing render for 5 minutes if it needs to, or have a HI Q algorithm for people that don't mind waiting for a good result.
I sampled from CZcams from my phone and my stems came out great 🤷🏿♂️
It should
Be free then . Why they charge for such a shitty quality?
I’m just gonna stick with Serato Sample 2 and record the output of my stems into my MPC from my MacBook. The quality on MPC stems is pretty awful IMO.
Yeah, that's also an option. There are a lot of ways to get higher quality stem separation on a computer than what the MPC is able to deliver on standalone. This comes in pretty handy sometimes though
@@AccurateBeats I get the convenience of being standalone and not having to rely on being tethered to your computer. And I’m sure there will be instances when stems in standalone will come in handy in a pinch but I figured Akai would have put out something better. I know the hardware has its limitations but damn. I’m not sure if anyone else got an email or some kind of notification about the release of standalone stems but I sure didn’t and I wonder if Akai just quietly put it out because it’s not the quality they’d like it to be?? All in all though, love your vids and insight.
@@StacksOfLittythat’s weird. I got the announcement email on all of my registered accounts…
Yeah, it’s convenient at a pinch but nothing more.
Wtf? I just bought stems standalone, so I just lost 10€ ?
All the *belching* on the stand-alone version is un-usable for any real music!
Oh my days, it's terrible. Even the software is bad, but the standalone is horrific. Still, it's no biggie to me as I would never use either. RipX and RX11 for me. Pro level.
I’ll wait until they improve standalone stems 😂 this is BS. I can get better separation on my iphone apps
Its night and day. Standalone is atrocious.
Damn shame.
This is no bueno.
The standalone stem separation is just trash, there are no 2 ways about it. hardly usable, maybe for some vocals. Although this was to be expected considering the hardware limitations it still feels as a let down. Akai should at least give you the option to use the better desktop algorithm on standalone but then maybe with limitations in sample size/length.
Well, why do I have do Download all my Plugins again, and why do i have to place them in a separate storage? And WHY the f... It doesnt Work?
I cannot use the Plugins i bought. That is a big f... Up... Are you kidding me, Akai? Just want my money Back.