I tested Formula 1’s First KART Track (Does it suck?)
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
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Formula 1 has built their FIRST rental KARTING track, and here is my experience. For $107 for 30 minutes of karting... it better be good! The karts themselves feature some incredible dashboard tech, and the added strategy element of ERS and DRS (albeit fake ones lol).The track surface is very grippy, with a fun layout on the Super Track config. The facilities off-track are incredible with simulators, food and beverage area, and even high quality (and clean) race suits. But of course, it all comes at a cost... But is it worth it?
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:34 Facility
01:33 Karts
02:15 Quali
09:22 Yellows
09:52 Race
19:50 Worth it?
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Don't you think you should have like some type of achievements in racing before you actually put out a cost to teach other people ? The free for all to get money is just sad. Learn your craft. Come a master and then teach. You got a long way to go buddy
Cameron do I need to pay for course. I like idea really good
What was your fastest lap time there?
He is a f4 champion and has competed in f3, what you talking about???@@matthew-jy5jp
hello hop you see this I do want a f1 karting plase in my city
3 hour 40 min race (obviously team race, 4 drivers) at my local track costs 50% of this. And its a paved indoor 500m track with 15hp karts
Where is this?!
@@terribleshockex110 MIKS18 is the championship's name. Its really good im just blessed to live this close to that track
@@snail3I doubt any indoor rental karts have 15hp
@@lucian.j6899i know one that has 12hp karts so 15 also seems realistic, especially for a sign up event
f u
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The yellow flag on the last lap was literally abu dhabi 2021 but with inverted results.
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How did you able to record, when I went my brother wipped out his go pro and we were told that we weren’t allowed because they have their own package for that
Is he right behind me? On new tires?!?? 😂
@@speeddemon467 That's not funny lol it's the first thing that came to mind and I instantly got PTSD...😂
to me it looks like it’s more like a gold class seat in movies. you’re paying for the experience rather than the actual movie or race
but the experience is shit
@@NootNooot really? looks like you’re paying a premium to get a cool f1 type experience pre race.
@@glidechampion9589 yeah, looks like you get shitty experience on the track so none of that matters.
laughed so hard man 😂@@NootNooot
@@NootNooot The problem is, it's not meant for pro carters. It's made for normies to come and enjoy the F1 experience. The yellows are to help the normies keep safe, not the pros.
The majority of people will enjoy the F1 experience but the pros will be driven crazy, literally.
Imagine working at that place. Every 12 minutes you'll hear David Crofty's recording of a race.
My local indoor track has 10 minute sessions at $14 per session. I participated in a 3 hour endurance race there for $40. Idk the $100 for 30 mins is really steep. Maybe its worth it just for the experience but you might as well just dip your toes into competitive karting for the amount of money you spend for your time.
Closest track to me is $25 for 7 minutes smh
What is the name of track??
@@benbarchie5194 its MadKart here in the Philippines. Really good value for money there. They use OTL Storm EFDs like at K1 Speed.
@@benbarchie5194 its called MadKart here in the Philippines. Its great value for money, since you drive OTL Storm EFDs like K1 Speed.
10 minutes is $14, but 3 hours is $40? How does that work?
Hey, I work at a karting track that (I assume) has the same type of system that F1 Kart has. Basically, the karts all have antennas that connect to a central server (AKA a router), and that router connects to a tablet or PC that controls the speed of the karts. For us it's a tablet and we control the speeds manually, I assume this track has a lot more going automatically. I think what was going on is the simple fact of their server speeds can't keep up with the demand of the information being sent to the karts (When it gets a command to speed up/slow down) so it isn't able to send the command to all the karts at the same time. Although I don't know for sure if that's the case here, we did have that issue a few months ago and remedied it by, instead of using a server rented to us by the company that ran the karting software, just made a local server that runs on our local network. Much faster that way!
This is true! And another big problem with this system is The track is split in sectors and timing lines with The system of tomkart we had this same issues… when pushed yellow By The Marshalls each kart crosing a sector line Will get yellow speed limit and karts that Just crossed the line didn’t respond until The next line even if there was already green. This resulted in the same examples as shown in this video where some karts drive past you during yellow and some drove slow when Green which means that some people bump again and that resulted in more yellow. Seen the karts they use here and it looks a lot like the TomKart system but a bit modified. Personally I hated this system by its stupidity one of the pro’s of this system was the easy way of controlling the karting track!
The track I work on has a speed fob that marshals can press to control speeds. The fob has speeds 1-4 and a stop button for emergencies and it works instantly. I think it would be better if a marshal has control of it rather than it being an automated system as it works instantly. There's probably one person controlling the speeds and yellow flags through the tracking system (Probably SMS) on a computer and pressing it on the computer rather than the direct speed fob and is bound to have delays and that's the flaw.
Most likely bad wireless connection as any "server" could easily handle this amount of data it's nothing complex.
No its is not the problem of amount of data the server needs to process, this should be fairly lightweight. I think problem is in networking and bad routing implementation. If the carts are connected to WIFI mesh every couple of seconds they need to change the access point and im sure there is the problem. If the flag system were controlled by radio signal this would work much better.
It looks like the karts are configured to automatically slow down X seconds after the yellow flag and accelerate X seconds after green flag.
However, some karts seems off of sync, the time spent with the speed limiter is the same for all of you, but it happens in different moments, there's no an advanced system doing this.
You kart slows down like a second before P2's kart, on the other hand, your Kart returns to green flag a second before than him. Same applies to some other drivers if you notice it. Karts that are slowed down first, accelerate first.
Again, it's the same slow down time for all of you, but not rightly synced.
They should calibrate it better so all karts slow down and accelerate at the same time.
This was exactly what I was thinking
Yeah I highly doubt it's some advanced VSC system that computed the advantage gained, it's just a glitch and a shit system. The whole thing is a grift to scam people with more money than sense to pay $100 for an "F1 kart experience" LOL
yeah it's 100% this. Kart tracks near me that don't have nearly as much money invested into them manage to get race yellows and restarts in sync. so idk how high scale track haven't got it right
I've been here and this is the exact issue.
I lost a lot of places due to this fact and was very frustrating.
It's all new tech so hopefully it will get updated in time
I think it's a bit of this, possibly bad system...
Possibly best that all karts do not slow down at the same time to avoid even more spins or bumps, or whatever.. giving people time to react to traffic. Also, perhaps it is in relation to the distance of the incident..
Idk. I'm sure it's a methodical reason or a bad programming team... 😑🙃
the place where I give karting, you pay a yearly membership that is $149 CAD, then $75 per race, and the races are held outdoors on REAL GAS karts that go up to 100km/h. (it’s a league so you have to get in but it’s still cheaper than this.
Goodwood?
Gas sucks
I know nothing about karting, is this including the price of a rental or do you need to bring your own kart?
@@ThalesMullerBR if u wanna keep going around at 30mph stick to electric😂
you give karting?
You should go to docklands again soon, they changed the track slightly and it's over a second quicker!
I love the final part when the race ends and post race talk with the P2 like a real race of F1 on the Podium room
I think I understand the yellow system's fault: The system cuts power to the kart whenever the yellows are active. Any car in an accelerating portion of the track is at a massive disadvantage to a kart in a braking portion of the track.
And also the timings are clearly faulty. To do it properly you would need to limit each kart during and momentarily after yellows and make sure they reach an ending delta withing +/-20% of their starting delta.
OR: They tried to implement the 'proper' method mentioned earlier but the polling rate of the deltas collected is so low that the deltas are inaccurate, which would explain the different slow down times for each driver.
we have a indoor track here were you pay 50 for 30min and 75 for 1h. the cards are gas powered and you dont have a problem with yellow bc there is no speed restriction by the card but you will be called into the pit lane if you overtake or drive to fast
I LOVE watching your karting videos
Great video! Footage looks great and loved the editing :D
I think this place is over priced for what it is but if you're able to get a full grid of competitive racers, I reckon it would be a good bit of fun. Interested to see how that played out in the next video.
The amount of yellows in public sessions just make it a really frustrating experience. Especially how the transition to green flag isn't consistent across karts. As you said, "this yellow flag system is clapped" 😂
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Yo I finally listen Cameron speaking spanish I'm from mexico and in the configuration I can change it to spanish
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love your videos man do you have any advise on how to get started in a motor sport ?
too much fancy nonsense going on there ... i prefere my 1.4km indoor/outdoor track in good old germany for 40€ per 30 minutes of racing...
where is this 1.4km track exactly?
@@ShxdowAski0m I cant tell you the track name, but check out Karting Eupen. Maybe its near you. Its in Belgium. Also a 1.1km indoor track.
Wow! They need to open this in every F1 city! How amazing would that be to have this in Montreal!
cool video. what did you use to record the audio? ANd how was your camera mounted to your helmet?
can't wait for the next videoo!!!
Man I wish rental karting places where I live had tracks this big all the places here have really short tracks
I am on the edge of my seat for this race. Fantastic video. Had more ads than yellow flags tho.
Cameron I love your videos so much! Can you please do a in-depth video on how to go from carting to motor sports! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
karting is motorsports?
Hey! Great video, we kept talking about trying this place but tbh we won't bother until they fix these issues. I like the idea of the karts slowing down themselves on yellows, keeps it fair. IF they all slowed down /sped up at the SAME TIME. This is ridiculous
Dude if the next vid is with pro Carter's hmm you might win the podium, good luck for it looking forward towards the next vid
Come race at the Bahrain f1 track and the karting track right next to it, would make for an epic video 🔥
if youre in germany some time soon try going to the motodrom hagen
its about 50secs on 16hp sodi karts
outdoor and really fun
I love your videos i watch them everyday
Legend 👊
AHHHHHH NO WAY YOU REPLIEDDDD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH@@CameronDasRacing
I was thinking of booking a session. Butt I can get 45 mins of racing for £50. Also I can get a race academy session which is 2 normal 15 min sessions. Teamsport is much better for price.
Lol, teamsport is terrible, ever been punted under those tyre barriers? Half of their tracks are falling apart. Trust me I know.
You don't know shit@@rumelahmed4539
Love this video man keep it up
Thanks for the separate audio track in german! Didn't know there was a feature for this, awesome!
You’re welcome! We’re testing dubbing out in a handful of languages. Would you like this on future videos too?
@@CameronDasRacing yes bro even it is AI voice it sounds very authentic keep going!
For someone like me who has karted once and it was at an attraction park, an F1 drive looks so fire and I hope one comes near me
love your kart video, more please like this
Engine sound and gear simulation could add more fun. Can play much more times than XRS buttons.
Too short off track for gears it would get annoying real quick
Wanna become a F1 driver
Step 1 - Your Parents must be rich 😂
that's been a thing for decades at this point
Hello. Can you confim that you recorded your voice in the helmet with the DJI MIC? How/Where did you fix it to isolate the noice?
I believe that if the yellow system affects your kart first, the green track will also respond quicker than the others. Say for example there is a yellow, the system slows A down before slowing B down, I think that when it turns green, the system speeds A up before speeding B up
Does your 'rental karting' book apply for rotax karts aswell?
Will you uplaod the video where you go with your yt friends aswell?
He Cameron have you tired the insta 360 how does it stack up agains the go pro max
I was gonna check this out but the yellows are insane
Hey cameron do you have anny tips if you wanna beat your dreinds in karting if you havent tried karting before
I think it was just a timing issue. The time for the flag is applyed the same to everyone but it starts in different times. We hasve the case of someone where the flag has started before and a case when the flag has started after. The firts one guy flag will finish before the second guy. The time range is the same but the tifference is the start of it i think.
I live in texas and I have to drive two hours away for the nearest okay karting place, and that sucks as I’m a kid without a car.
Cameron ITS HAMMER TIME GET IN THERE CAMERON GET IN THERE
You should try gravity at wandsworth, its not great for racing but it looks sick!!!!
Yes please. I need to try F1 drive in the Washington DC area
i think the carts behind slowed down later during yellow and you sped up faster after the yellow
Ooo a race with Kit that will be a good vid
Try In Sofia. There are two karting tracks. Ring mall and Krasna Polana
When you’ll come to the Conselice Romagna karting here in Italy 🇮🇹 ?
Come race at the Bahrain f1 track and the karting track right next to it, would make for an epic video
Hey man, i have a go kart track in my town, but the karts have brakes on all 4 wheels (i think they were custom made). Any advice?
Learn to trail brake 🙌🏼
@@J.STANNO ok, i will try that this week.
how much power do the carts have and what is their top speed?
Have u ever try Go karting Rental in here in the philipines ?
Ive seen that you can rent a rotax in england! so that would be really cool for a video!!
Yes! Video coming next month 👊
@@CameronDasRacing Really?! Thats really cool man!
A mate of mine said recently we should go and try this instead of going to our local tracks, but I showed him this video. He changed his mind quickly and we done two 30 mins sessions for £20 cheaper
Looks fun
I've been here and although the experience was fantastic, I was let down by the yellow flag system on many occasions. I found this to be very frustrating and it cost me 2 places finally finishing in third.
I found that my kart would slow and others could speed off.... Some at leat half a lap ahead.
One thing to note is that this is still relatively new so has a few niggles here and there.
I'll be visiting again in a few months and hoping the creases have been ironed out.
Also, the ERS & DRS seemed to be inconsistent.
The racing was fun but for those who know about karting, you feel somewhat left out that you can't race to your full potential
The yellow flag system was desynchronised probably, because you would stop later, so start quicker, so the gap would eventually stay pretty much the same.
i can see Vegas being the next place to get something like this
Nah, Abu Dhabi will.
@@Ami_BKF1 owns the pit building and land in Vegas, so they could easily do it.
Can you come to denmark and drive in the Odense go-kart half❤.
if F1 drive were to come to brisbane here in queensland australia i think it would become pretty popular. we love our passion for racing here just as much as the UK. a few other places in australia that would be good is sydney, NSW australia and melbourne. victoria australia.
Can you make a video that teaches new Sim racers how to tune their cars with setups and things like that?
Looks to me like the yellow flag system is set to make sure everyone is limited for the same duration. So you might well be going to a yellow flag sooner, but you also have full power back sooner too 🤔
How does the DRS actually work? Is it just a boost based on the gap to the car ahead, or is it actually dumping drag somehow?
Are the karts on electronic drag brake or do they have a hydro?
Come to Singapore..it Called Hyper Drive Go-kart iPalawan beach, Sentosa, Singapore... the track similar to yours in London... Much cheaper
Im sorry im actually trying to learn more about racing because im currently trying to become a racer but what does ers and drs mean?
You have to lift off the throttle on yellow flags so the electric motor doesn’t turn itself into a brake and you will coast further
would be nice if the lap traffic cars received some type of communication warning that faster cars were coming up behind them. so many seemed to be unaware of their surroundings. I get its just for fun, but it can really take away from the overall experience when theyre in the way and holding up traffic.
Ya that’s a good point. The tech is definitely there to automate some kind of blue flag system on the dash.
It would be cool to see more F1 23 vids!
I think the "virtual safety car" is good.
Everytime you complained about the yellow slowing you down more it looked like you got the power back before the others.
When you lost a place to yellow flag, you also got power back earlier and passed them when you got green.
But the problem with staggering the restarts between karts is it can give certain people an advantage depending on where in the track they’re turned back up. Like you wouldn’t want your speed turned up while entering a brake zone for example.
That’s why F1/F2/F3 VSC just turns everyone “on and off” yellow at precisely the same time. Then it’s up to the driver to maintain the time delta to the car in front with a readout on the dash.
I wonder if there is a way they can use simulators to do a pre-qualifying to judge skill level in karts and possibly the driving style (super mario bumperkart lovers or proper racers), especially if they implement an iRacing type safety rating. That way they can make sure you are in an equal skilled and nice group of people matching both driving style and skill level.
that would be cool and a smart idea
@@eazy_toxic Yeah, but the only problem might be the waiting time. People pay top dollar and they will hate to wait.
At least that will be the only downside I'd see to it. That said... people will always complain. So you just need to remind them of the other consequences as shown in this video.
Agradezco ENORMEMENTE el audio en español!
Es un doblaje buenisimo!
Ademas, facilita demasiadas cosas y hasta mejora la experiencia, tkm
Awesome! How was the translation and everything? Did it sound accurate?
5:18 bro same feeling, it absolutely suxks
Try sove Tracks in Denmark like Roskilde Racing Kevin magnusens track HE drive at ore racehall copenhagen the Tracks are bigger longer sider and vag 72km/h
Hey Cameron, do you have any plans on driving fast karts in the futer (like rotax)? I would love it if you could make a video on that!
Skill issue
Realy Amazing how you did the Video in 4 Languages. I'm a native German speaker and it sounds awesome (still watched it in English)
I would assume they are blasting commands over the network for the caution system. The problem with that is each kart is getting it at different times as the network processes it all. The command should be sent with a specific time to initiate the caution. They need to sync all Karts to the same time(common in work environments) and then issue the command with a half second delay with a specific time stamp. This allows all karts sufficient time for the network to deliver the command to each kart, and the karts simply enter caution mode at the same time rather than by who got the command first.
The graphics and the technology at F1 drive is genuinely insane. But like you said the yellow flag system was really cracked and even if you slightly brush the wall yellow flag. Even the restart after the yellow flag all the kart timings on when you can use full throttle is different. Otherwise the f1 Drive is a good experience and feels like actual Formula 1 with DRS and ERS in these Karts.
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Sounds to me like the yellow flag system targets each car individually and sequentially, so while you hit the yellow first, you also hit the green first. Since it was consistent that also implies that the order of the cars isn't changing - more consistent expectations. Probably something that should be included in the rundown for how the yellows work.
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What does DRS and ERS stand for?
I think it slows the cars down in an order and then resume them in the same order. You can see the cars that slow down after you, and then you speed up before they do. Thats my best guess at least. Doesnt look random...
Maybe when yellow start, you cannot overpass, so you car should not start working until the guy you overpassed is ahead again, would make it more competitive, because I think yellow is regulation, have to happen because of safety, risks, etc etc
You were saying that there was telemetry to tell you how far ahead and behind the next car was, right? If that is a fact, then when the yellow is triggered the program would recall that relative gap. like if the car is 2.5 seconds behind you when the yellow is triggered but it coasts right up behind you, the program will give the appropriate gap back to the leading car when the green flag waves. Does this make sense? It makes sense in my head anyway.
Definitely want A f1 drive to come to my city
The idea is there and seems great, but it 100% needs more time in the oven.
I want to start karting but i cant afford a kart and there are 0, yes I've checked, 0 karting places within an hour and a half of me. Any tips?
Sim racing is your best bet!
What is the difference of ers and drs
there needs to be a backmarker ish
Oh man, the amount of traffic you had was insane, when I went for a late evening session everyone was MUCH closer on pace. The yellow flag issue was still there though unfortunately
I am not an expert but I think the yellow flag system is either related to the mechanisms within the car, or the more a car is ahead, the earlier it can accelerate to prevent cascades
My local joint charges $65 for 3, 8-10m races on a track I can lap in ~20s even. The traffic is atrocious but the experience in trying to pass fast, I feel is invaluable. I’m 22 so I’m past the prodigy phase, just trying to build experience till I can afford to race professionally. Gotta say, nothing beats the smell of octane caked on your clothes, and the immense back pain from getting shafted by one pedal drivers.
i would definitely would want 1 in vegas
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