An ancient language unearthed in Portugal
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- (1 Mar 2009) SHOTLIST :
Council of Almodovar (Alentejo) February 12, 2009
1. Various shots of countryside
2. Various shots of archaeologists arriving at ruins site
3. Various shots of archaeologists looking for Tartessian stones
4. SOUNDBITE: (Portuguese) Rui Santana, historian
"This language existed within the context of a multilingual Iberian peninsula. But it is the region's first written testimony. It appeared before all other languages in the central and eastern parts of the peninsula. Languages that must have been probably only orally spoken. So this is the first one to have been graphically written."
5. Various shots of archaeologists searching for Tartessian stones
6. Various shots of historian writing Tartessian signs on stone
7. SOUNDBITE: (Portuguese) Rui Santana, historian (audio partly covered with video)
"Since the first discoveries in the 18th century until now we haven't discovered more than a hundred stones. Even though in recent years discoveries have shown some good results we still need to discover a lot more. Only future archaeological excavations will enable us to start interpreting this language. Something that today is impossible."
8. Wide shot of village of Almodovar
9. Mid shot of sign
10. Pan across village centre
11. Exterior shot of museum
12. Various shots of stones with Tartessian scriptures on exhibition
13. SOUNDBITE: (Portuguese) Rui Cortes, archaeologist
"The scripture of "Monte Novo do Castelinho" is the one with the largest amount of text. It was found recently in the council of Almodovar and it has helped us to understand the structure of the language. There is not enough yet to decipher the language but it is enough to understand the logic and structure of the text. Especially how signs are used in a text. Because most of former discovered stones are small fragments whereas this text is complete."
14. Various shots of stone with text
15. Close up shots of wall panels
16. Wide shot of exhibition
17. SOUNDBITE: (Portuguese) Rui Cortes, archaeologist
"The unique thing about this stone is that it has an image incorporated in it. Most ancient texts don't include images. This warrior appears with his weapons: lances, shield and what looks like an armour. He must have been a chief from a small elite."
18. Close up shots of warrior
19. Various shots of inhabitants from Almodovar
Lisbon, February 9, 2009
20. Various shots of downtown city
21. Exterior shot of University of Lisbon
22. Various shots of professor examining Tartessian scriptures at library
23. SOUNDBITE: (Portuguese) Amilcar Guerra, archaeologist and historian
"We think that the scriptures show the name of the deceased, the name of his father and eventually age, origin and some other personal details. But unfortunately we haven't yet discovered a "Rosetta" stone that will enable us to unveil the mysteries of this language."
24. Wide shot of exhibition of first stone discovered by father on 18th century
25. Close up of draw of father
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The discovery in southern Portugal last year of an inscribed stone tablet from the late Bronze Age electrified scientists trying to decipher an extinct Iberian language.
They hoped the find would bring a breakthrough in decades of detective work to decipher what is called "southwest script," believed to be the Iberian peninsula's oldest written language and one of Europe's first.
But frustrated experts trying to crack the code say the enigma remains and they fear that unless an equivalent of the Rosetta stone is unearthed their efforts to reconstruct the ancient language may be doomed.
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TRANSLATION 0:59 This language is in a iberian context of many languages but as a written record, so, in this period that we are approaching, it's the first to appear in a written context, therefore, first then all the others, that most likely were only spoken languages, so, be it in northern iberian peninsula be it in the part further east of the iberian peninsula, this one is in reality the first one to be transcribed to a written graphism.
1:51 So, in this moment, since the 19th century until today, we haven't yet discovered even one hundred epigraphed screens, in this reality. Despite these last years we've made a set of more accelerated discoveries, it becomes necessary to discover more, so, more screens, more screens in archeological context, and only that study and that excavation will permit in the future to approach a interpretation for this writting that today is impossible.
3:30 The inscription of Monte Novo do Castelinho is the inscription with the most extensive text. It was found recently in the county of Almodovar and it came to help us understand the structure of the text. It doesn't permit yet to obtain the deciphering. However, it is possible to understand the logic of the text and the structure: how would these texts develop because the vast majority of the tiles are small fragments unlike this one that is complete.
4:32 In this case, it has the particularity of having an image associated with it, unlike the vast majority of conscript screens in the southwest. This warrior is represented with his weapons: here with the darts, the shield, a possible armor. So he was certainly a chief belonging to a small elite
6:06 What we expect it to contain is essentially names of people, the name of the father, possibly age, origin or some personal conditions but unfortunately we do not yet have a rosetta stone that can unravel the mysteries of this language.
Thank you so much for the translation. It's greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much.
In the part where they are showing a list of languages, the one called Fenicio (Phoenician) it is missing several letters to make the alphabet complete. As I am not an expert in languages but I know that the Assyrian alphabet (alfabeto Assírio) is complete and it can help perhaps in comparing the letters and it is read from right to left but here since I wrote them in English then the first letter is Allap and so on ...
(ܐ Allap) ( ܒ Bet ) (ܓ Gammal ) (ܕ Dallat) (ܗ Heh) (ܘ Waw) (ܙ Zein) (ܚ Khet) (ܛ Tet) (ܝ Yod) (ܟ Kap) (ܠ Lammat) (ܡ Meem) ( ܢ Noon) (ܣ Simkat) (ܥ Eh) (ܦ Peh) (ܨ Sadeh) (ܩ Qop) (ܪ Resh) (ܫ Sheen) (ܬ Taw)
Goedelic Celtic which used Punic script. It was the lingua-franca of the west-coast of the Atlantic from south-western Iberia to Ireland.
No, it is not Celtic. It was written before the arrival of the Celts to the Iberian Peninsula (if there were ever Celts in the Iberian Peninsula, because some historians doubt of their presence in Iberia). But even if there were Celts in Iberia, this writing was found in a region where they never arrived (the land of the Cynetes).
@@woodpeckerfromspacewoodpec45 but there WERE Celts in Iberia. More in the North than the South for sure and if you actually study the Tartessians and the Conii you will realize that they have a Celtic influence, if not origins too.
People trying to reject the Celtic presence in the peninsula are basically rejecting history.
How the hell were celts not in Iberia if there is a root of the current language, names of places and altars to Celt gods allover?
@@mariapires4135 all languages from Iberia, except the Basques, have origins in Latin. The North has an heavy Celtic influence (and Germanic to a smaller scale) from the natives there as the Central and South of the peninsula has an heavy moorish influence.
The place-names, in the Northwestern part are clearly and obviously Celtic, ranging from the names of Celtic gods to combined honourable names/words.
In the same region, the altars dedicated to the gods are written mainly in Latin, and a lot is missing from what they knew and venerated.
About the rest of the peninsula, from what I know there is a lot of archeological findings which can be identified as Celtic. But, the Celtic culture and identity has survived only in Northwestern Iberia, til nowadays which is dying due to this modern era.. unfortunately.
Sorry but the only place in Iberia that can (and maybe it is really the one) be identified has the one the 'Gaels' conquered before moving to Éire is Gallaecia.
Even today, the Galicians are so proud of their cultural, historical and genetic relationship with Ireland that the Galicia hymn includes Bréogan as the father of all Galicians. Of which might be true, but the Gaels/Celts instead of coming from the Middle-East (as it is told in Lebor Gabála Érenn), they obviously came from Gaul or Central Europe.
The Goidelic Celtic is also akin to the Celtic Gallaecian language - *Q-Celtic* and has nothing Punic by the way. The earliest writing system used by the Irish is Ogham which is unique and only used by the peoples there, however they did used runes later on, but only the Nordic ones and *not* the Phoenician ones.
Such a nice language. Let’s hope it doesn’t get destroyed due to immigration.
Que mierdas tiene que ver la inmigración con la preservación arqueológica? Hay inmigrantes mucho más cultos que tú. Porque viendo la absurdidad de tu comentario poca cultura veo yo.
@@angyliv8040 grow the hell up
@@angyliv8040 eres un lava platos muy ruidoso
@@angyliv8040 mujer tenia que ser
Immigration is part of Europes DNA . I'm portuguese born in germany, i hope i'm not a destroyer of the german language lol. 🇵🇹🇪🇸🇩🇪
ONLY CAUSE I SPEAK SPANISH I CAN UNDERSTAND 40% OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!
40% LoL so you basically didn't understand anything.
I'm Portuguese and I understand about 80% or more of what Spanish people say, I also struggle a little with my language since I left my country when I was a young little cunt.
@@assassin3003 You used to be a vagina!? Odd.
@Aline Cardoso Brazil is where the bra was invented, right? Or illness... I forgot.
Speakers of dialect always understand the mother language, although are not well understood themselves.
Thank you so much for this info.
extremely interesting thanks sincerely for posting greetings from neu-atlantis aka tasmania
Atlantis?
Tartessos probably
Neste momento já se sabe que a Escrita (e a língua) do Sudoeste não é só uma, mas são três. Obviamente são três escritas com ligações entre si. Já algum tempo também se sabia que a Escrita do Sudoeste, todas as três escritas do sudoeste, é uma escrita semi-silábica. Isto exclui a hipótese de "vir" da Escrita Fenícia que é um abjad. Um semi.silabário "virá" de um outro semi-silabãrio ou de um silabário. O que eventualmente pode ter "vindo" da Escrita Fenícia são somente alguns signos, mas para estes também há um precedente no O da PI, mais a N, no NO da PI, e que dá pelo nome de Escrita do Alvão. A Escrita do Alvão foi descoberta já em finais do século XIX e foi alvo de negacionismo "científico" académico por se tratar de uma escrita "demasiado" antiga. É de facto uma escrita do Neolítico que em Portugal aceita-se ter tido início em 5.500 aC e fim em 3.200 aC. Cronologicamente, a Escrita do Alvão anda mais ou menos a par da Escrita de Glozel e da Escrita Vinca.
É tentador dar nomes a estas três escritas e línguas do SO da PI. A que se distribui em território português por uma área do Baixo Alentejo e do Algarve em torno da Serra do Caldeirão, será a escrita (e a língua) dos Cinetes. A que, em território espanhol, se encontra em Huelva e no seu entorno, é a escrita (e a língua) de Tartessos. A que tem uma área de distribuição mais ampla em Portugal e em Espanha, será a escrita (e a língua) dos Turdetanos (e dos Túrdulos e dos Célticos). Não há nenhuma ideia que alguma destas línguas seja celta.
Portugal estava cheio de terminações supostamente tartéssicas pois eram as mesmas de lá: -ipo, -ubo, -oba etc então por que nao?
thay also found this in azores when the islands were discoverred and in americas,...
Subtitles?
Turn them on
The lack of subtitles is incomprehensible and unacceptable
There is subtitles in many languages, You have to turn them on
There is a recent helpful comment from @azardocarvalho3447 , if you happen to be interested still. Cheers
Haypaaa!! This is good STUFF.
Thanks
also talking about land between certain point of water and silver maybe offering to a god even, these symbols where also hand gestures i be leave.
Looks Celtic.
No, it is not Celtic. It was written before the arrival of the Celts to the Iberian Peninsula (if there were ever Celts in the Iberian Peninsula, because some historians doubt of their presence in Iberia). But even if there were Celts in Iberia, this writing was found in a region where they never arrived (the land of the Cynetes).
@@Tromso57 I never said that there had never been Celts in Iberia, I just said that there is no consensus on that.
@@Tromso57 Some historians doubt of their presence in Iberia.
CONII LANGUAGE
@@pintoz6ninja lusitanian
Well i have no idea what was said :(
dude has it upside down 6:00 also it says about sacrifice of cattle and horse or gift. 2 moon like symbols are actually grooves of the left hand, symbolising possession or command or something i can read most of it with a little meditation.
Vincha alphabet
No, and perhaps yes...It's Kónii Aphabet from South of Oestriminis, very Ancestral Portugal.
could you provide some more information? I tried googling Konii and couldn't find anything.
@@lemfarba4827 ho man y=if you wanna know more about the facts you must go there to Lusitania , you can't find nothing in the net just British bulshit , it's proved the Iberian were the first Europeans and they spread out to the rest of the world
That's pretty much what the British geneticists already say...
It's not its iberic can be related to the slavs but it's not the same, same people different tribe
Tartessian language Celt-Iberian
I believe this is from before the Celts, before Iron Age, perhaps Calcolithic - Early Bronze Age(?), or older...
we don't know yet, it's undecyphered.
That's clear Ancient greek letters
No
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@@pintoz6ninja Yes because i am Greek and i can read them.
@@na43w4j29 no you can't you might think you can 😉
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It's in portuguese 😉
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Most likely ancient Celts, could also be ancient Germanics or Scandinavians way way before they used to move up and down from Portugal back to their own countries all the time, skulls found in islands west of Africa have been tested and those skull are thousands of years old and belong to tall blonde white people with blue eyes not just there but skull all over the world have been found and tested and all of them have the same traits of tall blonde/red hair, blue/green eyes with European features so I'm guessing white people Scandinavian,Celtic,germanic/Slavic type of people have been going around the world for thousands of years, then most left and some died of.
It's celtiberrian. The language is celtiberian but the alphabet is based on the Phoenician alphabet. This predates colonization into the British isles.
Probably surfer dudes from Sothern California
I was just trying to get a laugh. Your other reply seems a little tetchy!
@@michaelcandido2824 Im surprised... The Phoenician alphabet looks similar to the germanic runes...
Could it be an early form of that same alphabet?
Is tarteso....well documented in Spain already...nothing exotic about it
I don’t speak Russian so thanks for that heads up.
That's not Russian
That's portuguese
check here: 'Dispilio Tablet', all greek for me!