What is Wayland? A Beginner's Introduction for New Linux Users.

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • Curious about Wayland and how it differs from X11 in Linux? This beginner-friendly video will explain everything you need to know about Wayland and display servers in the Linux world. #wayland #linux
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Komentáře • 255

  • @CZTachyonsVN
    @CZTachyonsVN Před měsícem +40

    I've started daily driving linux starting this year and haven't heard a more simple and clear explanation of how display servers work!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +5

      Thank you very much for your comment! I’m trying to learn the skill of explaining concepts as simply and clearly as possible. It seems it worked this time. :)

  • @jameleddinelassoued7228
    @jameleddinelassoued7228 Před měsícem +55

    Commenting so I can see more of this on my feed!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +2

      Appreciate you leaving a comment!;)

  • @PyVerse-47
    @PyVerse-47 Před měsícem +10

    i was searching for years for someone that can explain these technical terms in a non technical way
    thanks you so much

  • @MysteriousFoxy87
    @MysteriousFoxy87 Před měsícem +75

    Just a comment to pop this video up in the Recommended section :]

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +5

      Thank you so much! That’s very kind of you;)

    • @0x7f2c
      @0x7f2c Před měsícem +11

      It worked

    • @lazyalpaca7
      @lazyalpaca7 Před měsícem +6

      it's freaking worked 😂

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      @lazyalpaca7 😁

    • @Satseful
      @Satseful Před měsícem +4

      It definitely worked 😄 and I am happy it worked, because this was interesting video.

  • @KrishnaDraws
    @KrishnaDraws Před měsícem +23

    Very informative and clear presentation. Thank you!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate it.

  • @YBWang-pi9qq
    @YBWang-pi9qq Před 15 dny +1

    So simple and easy to understand. Julia, you are genius to explain complicated concepts, in an easy way.❤

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 13 dny

      Many thanks for your kind comment!🙏🏼

  • @teleprint-me
    @teleprint-me Před měsícem +8

    For clarity, the server and client are abstract notions that apply to software, not hardware. The server and client may be run on the same machine or multiple machines. This means the server and client can run on the same machine. The server can also run on a remote, or networked, machine and this is the distinction. This means you can run the server (it is always software) on a networked machine and a client (also software) can run on a separate machine, utilizing a network of machines to transmit information between them.

  • @savagesarethebest7251
    @savagesarethebest7251 Před 13 dny +1

    I just love how you can run a program on one computer and interact with it on another, or even on your tablet/phone

  • @VitisCZ
    @VitisCZ Před měsícem +13

    Given how wayland is supposed to be the new better thing that's supposed to fix all the x11 issues it really isn't thought through enough. Just look at how they abruptly had to pause new feature development to think about accessibility features because they clearly haven't thought about them and the way wayland is designed simply doesn't allow many accessibility features to work at least not in the initial design so they will have to make workarounds. Also adding new features can literally take multiple years because protocols have to be accepted by majority to be accepted. There's literally proposals for super basic desktop features that took 2 years to get accepted. Just a protocol not the implementation. And not to mention it's a protocol so every compositor has to reimplement everything. Yes there are libraries like wlroots but that still doesn't change the fact every compositor is completely independent and has different features and differing protocol versions. So you have one compositor implementing text input v2 but a different one implementing v1 and v3. This is the real situation and it makes things absolute PITA because you're trying to figure out why something doesn't work on one compositor when it works on another just to realize they don't implement the given protocol. So for the time being I'm simply not dealing with wayland. X11 despite it's shortcomings is still the king and will be for a while.

    • @dra11y
      @dra11y Před 8 dny +1

      How can I connect with you? Legally blind software dev here who just switched to Linux from macOS. I feel so snubbed by contemporary Linux developers. Accessibility was better in the 90's than today, as at least terminal fonts were reasonable size. Now the v6 kernel supports large console fonts, but they aren't installed by default, so boot screen is terrible. Nothing to do with Wayland, but Wayland has it's own issues, especially not supporting consistent dark theme across all apps (really, it should force GTK apps into the user's theme, not the other way around), and cursor sizes and fonts in Qt apps being way, way too small. Screen readers can't communicate properly (there's a Rust project to build a new screen reader for Linux that I'm hoping to contribute to), and I'm building my own read-on-demand screen reader, because I absolutely must have it to use my computer. No one thinks of these things, then they blame us for bringing up these issues because it gives them headaches. Do they want Linux to be only for hardcore ableist nerds, or do they want mass adoption? I pick the latter. What's good for accessibility is good for all users!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 8 dny

      Thank you for sharing your experience. I can definitely feel your frustration, and I completely agree that accessibility must be taken seriously if pushing for mass adoption. Wayland is still a work in progress in many aspects, and the only way to push for improvement is by speaking up, just as you’ve done.
      If you’d like to connect further, feel free to reach out through the contact page on my blog or on Instagram. The links are in my CZcams page description and also in each of the video’s descriptions.

  • @gljames24
    @gljames24 Před měsícem +28

    "Both are written in C" This is incorrect as Wayland is a standard, not an implementation like Weston, Mutter, etc. A Wayland compositor can be written in Rust like in Cosmic DE, can be compiled to web assembly like Greenfield, or any other Turing complete language as long as it complies to the standard.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +6

      I meant to say “primarily” written in C. The Wayland protocol itself is written in C, but you’re right that Wayland compositors can be written in various languages. For example, Hyprland uses C++, and others use Rust, as you mentioned. Thanks for pointing that out! I should have been more specific about this.

    • @mikkelpaulick5689
      @mikkelpaulick5689 Před měsícem +11

      @@juliaifrankThis is not quite right... The Wayland protocol is a standard defined in XML. There is however an open-source reference implementation called libwayland which is written in C.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +6

      Ok, thanks for pointing that out. I might have missed that one.

  • @Wes_Jones
    @Wes_Jones Před 28 dny +2

    I'm pretty new to Linux and this description was very easy to understand. Thanks!

  • @kidrock1502
    @kidrock1502 Před měsícem +4

    Great simple video on Wayland an X11, like the charts and explanations, ur very gifted speaker, I really enjoyed ur explanations very simple and direct, that's a rarity on utube keep up the great work.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you so much for your kind words. I’m glad you found the video helpful and clear. Your feedback means a lot!

  • @apmcd47
    @apmcd47 Před 24 dny +2

    I think what often confuses users is that the X Windows system appears to throw the concept of client and server on its head.
    A server manages a resource, such as a printer. A client is a user, who through a the use of a software package, such as a word processor, wishes to use that resource. In the 1970s one would use a dumb terminal to run programs on a mainframe or mini computer, which manages the resources of CPU, memory and storage, ie a server. With a graphical workstation the resource, in this case the display/keyboard/mouse, is now local, and with X the client, a GUI software such as a word processor, could be on a remote machine.
    As you can now see, the concept of which is client, and which is server, depends on context, ie which resource you are talking about.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 24 dny

      Thanks for this clarification!

    • @chrisjudge705
      @chrisjudge705 Před 17 dny +1

      Best comment ever in this context, sooooo many books and teachers does not deep unterstand or enforce to note this logical reverse approach, this was long ago my first struggle with X. So many thanks for the clarification for next generation of programmers😊😊

  • @Slickstaff_Stainpants
    @Slickstaff_Stainpants Před měsícem +3

    great video and it helped a lot. I have hearing issues and even with your accent i could understand you clearly.
    I hope Wayland provides a much faster and cleaner Desktop.. Windows 10 is buttery smooth and I want that in a Linux.
    Im learning on Fedora KDE because its given me the least problems.. of course NVIDIA is not helping.
    I really want Linux to be as good at Direct X or Vulkan (id prefer Vulkan) as Windows.
    Im a gamer. Windows 11 is looking to be a whole OS full of spyware and I dont want that.

    • @antonfrank3722
      @antonfrank3722 Před měsícem +1

      I also have Fedora KDE, and after installing the NVIDIA 555.58.02 drivers from RPM Fusion the gaming experience is a lot better.

  • @saisantosh3599
    @saisantosh3599 Před 18 dny

    Good to have found this, better explanation than others out there

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 18 dny

      Thank you! I’m glad you found my explanation helpful )

  • @cyberslot
    @cyberslot Před měsícem +2

    Hi Julia!
    I like your style and decision to represent the exposed information in the process of revealing it by hand on paper. It triggers a different complex of perception mechanisms, even it looks the same as, for instance, animated version at first glance. Also the used conceptual approach to stick to the simplicity.
    Keep up the great work!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Hi! Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was looking for a simple way to reinforce what I was trying to explain. From my own experience, I usually understand better if there is some kind of visual that goes along with the explanation to help anchor the ideas. So I decided to give it a try. People seem to like it, which I’m really glad to hear. Your feedback really motivates me to keep creating! 😊

  • @prashanthb6521
    @prashanthb6521 Před 24 dny

    This is the best and simplest explanation of wayland I have come across. Thanks Julia.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 24 dny

      Thank you so much! I’m really glad you found it helpful.

  • @deimanimaciones
    @deimanimaciones Před měsícem +5

    Thanks for this content, subscribed

  • @michaelmicek
    @michaelmicek Před 17 dny

    In my mind, the key difference between X11 and Wayland is that X11 was originally designed for "physical implementation" (0:50), albeit with client applications running on the "server" (mainframe) and the display server running on the client workstation (a "thin client"), whereas Wayland assumes the client applications and display server are on the same hardware (1:07).
    For most desktop users this allows Wayland to perform better, but it can't handle the case when they are not.

  • @Pmt1-u8s
    @Pmt1-u8s Před měsícem +7

    Wayland must support ssh protocol enabling to use application GUI of remote computer ( the way X supports for ssh -X ) ... and it's just one of the most basic features list missing in wayland
    The apprehension for Wayland is for being half baked and being pushed down the throat with arrogance !
    But I highly appreciate your video which effectively explained basic difference in behind the scene operation of display manager ... my 💯 for your effort

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thanks for sharing! Comments like yours are important for pushing improvements. I try to stay neutral when talking about Linux. I usually love trying new stuff. But I get that sometimes people can get overly excited about new tech and miss out on the issues. It’s not always the Wayland team’s fault, I believe , but users’ overly excited take on the new stuff. Feedback like yours is needed to making things better. Hopefully, they’ll take it seriously and make the necessary changes.

    • @croxymoc3254
      @croxymoc3254 Před měsícem +2

      Waypipe exists

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      @croxymoc3254 Thanks for pointing this out!

    • @gljames24
      @gljames24 Před měsícem +2

      WayVNC is available and can be run headless.

    • @dmitripogosian5084
      @dmitripogosian5084 Před měsícem +1

      Wayland is fundamentally not network transparent, while network transparency was the cornerstone of X11. In that sense Wayland is significant step backwards

  • @CorvusNumber6
    @CorvusNumber6 Před 22 dny +1

    Thank you! That was short and sweet. Perfect! 👍🏻😎

  • @-TakaTan
    @-TakaTan Před 22 dny

    I came here to learn Wayland and ultimately actually I learned Ubuntu 24.10 for NVIDIA, that is stunning for me. Absolutely what I love to know.

  • @DenisNolan
    @DenisNolan Před měsícem +1

    This is great content. Heard so much about Wayland especially via the Linux unplugged podcast, but really have not put my mind to checking it out further.

  • @vinvivofikas9973
    @vinvivofikas9973 Před měsícem +1

    short, to the point and easy to understand. Thank you!

  • @tessiof
    @tessiof Před měsícem +12

    Watching this on Wayland (I use Arch btw)

  • @disnaut4935
    @disnaut4935 Před měsícem +1

    This helped me so much, thank you very much for making this easy to understand!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      You’re very welcome. Glad it helped!

  • @JasmanjotSingh404
    @JasmanjotSingh404 Před měsícem +2

    Thanks for simple explanation

  • @SGUsyncgamingusa
    @SGUsyncgamingusa Před měsícem +2

    Great explanation! Very nice breakdown of Wayland. Keep it up!

  • @chairlovawitabat
    @chairlovawitabat Před měsícem +1

    Great vid thx for the explanation. My friend asked me what Wayland was the other day and I struggled for an explanation. Ima send him this video 😎

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      You’re welcome and thanks for sharing! 😉

  • @ThisISNM
    @ThisISNM Před 28 dny

    Thank you very much for explaining. Please keep up the good work.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 28 dny +1

      Thank you so much! I really appreciate your support. More videos are on the way!

  • @yelircaasi
    @yelircaasi Před 25 dny

    Excellent video! It's makes me happy that content like this exists.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 24 dny

      Thanks a lot! I’m happy to hear that you enjoyed it.

  • @AjayPrashar
    @AjayPrashar Před měsícem

    While I loved the technical content, I especially appreciated the tone, the clarity, and the pace of the video. Thank you for your effort in educating me.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. Your feedback means a lot and motivates me to keep creating more content. Thanks for watching!

  • @XandaoTech-yc8br
    @XandaoTech-yc8br Před měsícem +1

    Thank you for the explanation, and warm greetings from Brazil.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you for leaving a comment and warm ( before October rolls around) greetings from Canada! :-)

  • @ソク
    @ソク Před měsícem +4

    I'm ur 667th subscriber

  • @kanes5105
    @kanes5105 Před 29 dny

    Thanks for explaining Wayland so well.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 28 dny

      You’re welcome! I’m glad it helped.:)

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 Před měsícem +2

    I stopped by to understand Wayland. I subscribed and became your 1000th subscriber. Bragging rights, for us, both!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      So you understand Wayland now and became my 1000th subscriber. Bragging rights, indeed! 😄

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 Před měsícem

      @@juliaifrank Yep!

  • @galporgy
    @galporgy Před měsícem

    The algo brought me here and I liked it! I like your first-principles style of teaching (not surprised you’re a physics student), and appreciate the straightforward delivery without dumb memes and annoying background music.
    PS: usually it’s physics PhDs moving to finance, not vice versa, so you have done that backwards too! 😄

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and my teaching style. I wanted the content to be the focus, hence no music etc. So I’m happy to hear you appreciated that decision.
      I hadn’t realized the finance-to-physics path was backwards until you mentioned it, though I was aware that it is typically the other way around. 😁
      Thanks for your thoughtful comment! 😊

  • @MalumeOmega
    @MalumeOmega Před měsícem +1

    Well presented. Thank you. Tip: Purchase (or make) a light diffuser for your ring light.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you for leaving a comment!
      As for the light diffuser, I’ll think of something. Is it the light reflection in my glasses that is bothersome or something else? I just want to understand how to improve my videos. Thanks!

    • @Gurundiaocinac
      @Gurundiaocinac Před měsícem

      There is this translucid paper used for cooking (cant remember the name) that years ago can be used un front of light src since it tolerate high temps, is just a simple craft. Is white and come un rollos (like aluminium ones).

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 21 dnem

      @@Gurundiaocinac Thanks for the idea!💡

  • @MiBaLinuxTech
    @MiBaLinuxTech Před měsícem

    Thanks for this great Video. Thanks for your work

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      You are very welcome, I’m glad you found it helpful. Thanks for commenting!

    • @MiBaLinuxTech
      @MiBaLinuxTech Před měsícem

      @@juliaifrank Hi, you make a great job. I have a problem on my linux mintin the morning I remove things from my start application and now I don't have dark mode and all what is displayed is wrong. I thing that have todo with the x11 but I can't fixed. I restart the lightdm service but nothing. Have you any idea? Sorry for disturbing you.

  • @bharath2633
    @bharath2633 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you for the video. Its on-point and interesting :)

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you for leaving the comment! It helps a lot to know how people feel about the way I try to communicate ideas and explain things.

  • @eobardthawnemcoc
    @eobardthawnemcoc Před měsícem +1

    thank you and looking forward to more videos like this hehe

  • @Onyx-it8gk
    @Onyx-it8gk Před měsícem +4

    Thank you for the video! It's important to inform (new and old) Linux users of the actual improvements being made, and this video does a great job!

  • @asknight
    @asknight Před 17 dny

    I've been with ubuntu exclusively since version 20 and have seen Wayland mentioned in tons of release notes off and on, scattered everywhere... and I'm a bit afraid (or ashamed) to admit that I never knew exactly what the heck it does, until now. Thank you!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 16 dny +1

      No need to be ashamed at all! I was in the same boat for quite a while until I finally took the time to dig into it. Once I felt I had a clear and simple high-level understanding of Wayland ( without concerning myself with technical details ), I decided to turn that into a video. I’ve learned from the feedback that I missed/misunderstood some finer details, but I hope I was able to convey the general idea. Thanks so much for commenting, and I’m happy the video helped!

    • @asknight
      @asknight Před 16 dny

      @@juliaifrank it definitely helped well enough that you earned that click on the subscribe button! Keep up the great work!

  • @bsvenss2
    @bsvenss2 Před 24 dny

    0:19 It's no battle imho. Wayland is a development/transition of X to a newer, more modern and effective solution.

  • @nordmu
    @nordmu Před měsícem +1

    Helped me understand, thank you!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      You are very welcome! I’m glad it helped.)

  • @anakinsonone
    @anakinsonone Před 25 dny

    Really good and simple explanation

  • @basvenis
    @basvenis Před měsícem +1

    Gratefull is found this channel, nice introduction

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you so much for your feedback!:)

  • @sixpeer
    @sixpeer Před měsícem +2

    That was well explained!... If Wayland is the future and it eliminates the need for a separate window manager for a display server, does that mean it will eventually make all those window managers like Xfwm, KWin, IceWM, Compiz etc obsolete?.... Need more videos like these! Thanks!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thanks for the compliment!
      Wayland is designed to be the future of display servers. It can and will certainly impact the use of traditional window managers like Xfwm, KWin, IceWM, and Compiz, but many of these projects are adapting to work with Wayland too (some window managers are being adapted or rewritten as Wayland compositors (e.g. KWin, Mutter), and XWayland serves as a compatibility layer to allow X11 applications, including window managers, to run on Wayland as a temporary solution).
      It’s an evolving space, so it’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out. I’ll definitely keep making more videos like this. Stay tuned!

    • @coffee-is-power
      @coffee-is-power Před měsícem

      ​​@@juliaifrankno, X11 Windows managers DO NOT Run on xwayland
      On wayland the desktop environment's compositor is responsible for managing and compositing the Windows
      There are wayland compositors like Hyprland which can provide window tiling features and can do really cool effects and animations and are fully customizable and they it is fully stand alone, you can just run "Hyprland" on a TTY and everything starts up

    • @lobotomy-victim
      @lobotomy-victim Před měsícem

      ⁠@@coffee-is-powershe never said that x11 wm’s run on xwayland

    • @coffee-is-power
      @coffee-is-power Před měsícem

      @@lobotomy-victim No, she said "X11 applications, including window managers to run on wayland" which is completely wrong

    • @lobotomy-victim
      @lobotomy-victim Před měsícem

      @@coffee-is-power it’s not, you can run x11 window manager on wayland

  • @aliefyakin4806
    @aliefyakin4806 Před 26 dny

    I hope more applications support Wayland in the future

  • @DiegoGZorrilla
    @DiegoGZorrilla Před měsícem

    Very good explanation, it's the first time I get the difference 😅

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thanks! I’m glad you found it helpful:)

  • @lazyalpaca7
    @lazyalpaca7 Před měsícem +1

    awesome content, immediately subscribed ❤️

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thanks for subbing and commenting! Appreciate it.

  • @Daoist_Oak
    @Daoist_Oak Před měsícem +1

    This was very informative and clear.
    Thank you for providing such quality content.
    PS: BTW this is just a tangent but you look really similar to my college professor

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you so much for the kind words! I’m glad you found the content helpful. And that’s funny about the college professor-I’ve never heard of having a doppelgänger before :-) What is she teaching?

  • @Chris558576
    @Chris558576 Před 27 dny

    Thank you for this.

  • @ustav_o
    @ustav_o Před měsícem +1

    really nice explanation. great timing

  • @gorrumKnight
    @gorrumKnight Před měsícem +1

    Straightforward and informative, kudos! I use Arch btw. 😛

  • @victornikolov537
    @victornikolov537 Před měsícem

    Short and clear.
    When done!

  • @Rbourk252
    @Rbourk252 Před měsícem +1

    Loved the explanation. ❤

  • @saberell
    @saberell Před měsícem +1

    Good presentation!

  • @TomGDrAccessibility
    @TomGDrAccessibility Před měsícem +1

    Very good explanation, thank you!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you! I’m glad it was helpful.

  • @NormTurtle
    @NormTurtle Před měsícem +4

    we need more ladies in linux 😭

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Agreed! Happy to be here and represent. 😊 Thanks for your support!

    • @aliefyakin4806
      @aliefyakin4806 Před 26 dny

      I think I saw an oasis

  • @J_FiFi
    @J_FiFi Před měsícem

    Great explanation, more topics would be appreciated ✨

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thank you! I’ll work on more topics very soon. :)

  • @fluoriteByte
    @fluoriteByte Před měsícem +8

    Its funny how some people saying that wayland is an outsider to the linux ecosystem and that thr x11 devs hate it
    Even tho x11 devs are the ones making wayland

  • @guineapig1016
    @guineapig1016 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you

  • @geekboy6655
    @geekboy6655 Před měsícem

    Brilliantly explained! Good that the video has appeared in my recommended. Maybe consider recording something about systemd and init :)

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thank you so much for your feedback!
      Believe it or not, I’m making another batch of videos in a similar style. All because of the success of this one and feedback like yours. :)

  • @Oodle-ox2vf
    @Oodle-ox2vf Před měsícem

    Excellent.

  • @pravinkumarone
    @pravinkumarone Před měsícem

    Thanks Julia, well explained.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      I’m glad you like it. Thank you!

  • @dra11y
    @dra11y Před 8 dny

    This is great from a dev's standpoint, but accessibility is terrible so far in Wayland. It does not respect the need for screen readers to access window information consistently. Dark theme is not consistent in GTK apps, which is terrible for those of us who are light sensitive. And cursors and font sizes in Qt apps are way, way too small. These issues often require countless hours of workarounds on the part of the user. If the architecture of Wayland is so great, why can't the Wayland developers address some of these inter-app communication issues so we can fix accessibility consistently?

  • @9mmfederalrimmed235
    @9mmfederalrimmed235 Před 12 dny

    Thanks for the explanation.
    I don't know if Wayland is so nice. Lots of Distros provide rather X11 instead of Wayland and I read there are problems with Wayland. Maybe one likes an old well built workhorse better than the newest shiny car made out of plastic and which falls apart after 2 years.
    I installed yesterday KDE neon on my Dell SFF desktop (i3-9100, 24 GB RAM 2400 MT/s) and that came preinstalled with Wayland. I had nothing but trouble with crashing an thing called plasmashell. On Wayland I got about 50 plasmashell crashes. Annoying but it did not hinder the use of any App.
    I run Tuxedo OS on 3 other systems and no problem whatsoever. Tuxedo not even considers Wayland but is preinstalled with X11. Not a single problem now in 3 months on no system.
    So I figured this is not normal plasmashell crashes that often on KDE neon and I then restarted it with X11. Since X11 is standard now on KDE neon (all up to date), I had not a single crash of anything not even once plasmashell.
    So Wayland most likely is causing issues on Distros.
    Tuxedo allways tests all updates before releasing them and I realised they use allways X11 and an older version of Ubuntu kernel. I believe the KDE Plasma versions are the same between my KDE neon system and my other Tuxedo systems. KDE neon seems to provide the latest and greatest from Plasma and Ubuntu alike and Tuxedo is more conservative and provides a bit older versions in order to assure system stability and functionality. But now with X11 I had not a single hic up with my KDE neon system.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 11 dny

      Thanks for sharing your experience! It’s true that Wayland can still have some issues depending on the distro and hardware, and X11 might be a better fit in certain cases. Hopefully, as Wayland matures, these problems will become less common. Appreciate the insight!

  • @sussusamogus7831
    @sussusamogus7831 Před 4 dny

    great video

  • @erixIsOffline
    @erixIsOffline Před měsícem

    Thanks❤

  • @ElSenorEls
    @ElSenorEls Před měsícem +1

    This is good

  • @gregharn1
    @gregharn1 Před měsícem

    Wayland def sounds like the way to go

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Wayland definitely has a lot of potential and improvements over X11. It’s going to be interesting to see how things develop. For now, it’s a bit of a showdown between the two display servers! 😊

  • @iury0x58
    @iury0x58 Před měsícem +1

    Great content! Subscribed.

  • @psi4j
    @psi4j Před 19 dny +1

    Wayland camp 💯

  • @TradersTradingEdge
    @TradersTradingEdge Před měsícem

    Great explanation, thank you.👍

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thank you for your feedback! Much appreciated! :)

  • @Guishan_Lingyou
    @Guishan_Lingyou Před měsícem +2

    This was a very clear explanation. I use linux and watch some content about it, but I don't have much of a need to understand what is happening under the hood given how I use it (e.g., I have no idea if I'm using Wayland or X11 right now ;-). That said, having heard a lot about Wayland vs X11, it's nice to actually have some kind of understanding about what people are talking about.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      That’s exactly what I was trying to achieve with this video. Thanks for confirming that it worked! :-)

  • @MarcoKrieger
    @MarcoKrieger Před měsícem

    Thank you for clarifying what is x11 and Wayland and what does both programs do.
    I might came across some of those hiccups you mentioned.
    I tested Fedora 40 KDE and Manjaro KDE last month and had some trouble with my dual monitor setup and the painting application Krita.
    Krita became laggy and crush several times, which wasn't the case before with x11.
    But that could be a resolved with a patch or update of KRITA.
    The monitor situation is worse.
    In general both displays are mislabeled and in consequence of that, I had to mark the secondary monitor as primary to get the task bar on the correct monitor.
    After a reboot, the settings are gone and had to set back manually.
    Under x11 my Wacom Tablet works just fine and I just had to install a program for the GUI.
    It seems that this option is not in place under Wayland.
    I read about plans to create such a GUI, but that doesn't help right now.
    I know that you aren't responsible for this, I just wanted to point it out to your audience.
    Would be interesting to know if this is only a me-problem or does this issues affecting more people.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thank you for sharing your experience in detail! I’m sure some people can relate.

  • @Viking8888
    @Viking8888 Před 22 dny

    Thank you for pronouncing GNOME correctly. It itches the ol melon 🧠 when people say noam, seeing as G.N.O.M.E is an acronym.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 21 dnem

      GNOME deserves to be pronounced with all its letters respected. Thanks for noticing! 😄

    • @Viking8888
      @Viking8888 Před 19 dny

      @@juliaifrank That's how I feel too! It wasn't named after the little garden demon at all. 😉

  • @-TakaTan
    @-TakaTan Před 22 dny

    I came here because I only knew Wayland is probably for killing X11 and I like to learn anything I should learn.

  • @kwaki-serpi-niku
    @kwaki-serpi-niku Před 12 dny

    For me in the way that I understand it, Wayland is comparable to DirectX on Windows. It is a graphics API. You have a desktop environment in Linux, which would be something like KDE or gnome. But you've got to have a graphics platform to manage The 2D and 3D. That's where x11 or Wayland comes in.
    Wayland sucks though. It creates problems instead of solving them.

  • @lipepaniguel
    @lipepaniguel Před měsícem

    Wayland is not limited to C. Smithay, for example, uses Rust.

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Yes, I realize now that I should have been more specific. Thanks for leaving a comment!

  • @f67739
    @f67739 Před měsícem

    pretty new to linux but so far most packages ive installed when given a choice usually have compatability issues with wayland, plus LXDE still uses X11 and so does everything else, im x11 for now simply because im tired of everything in linux taking 15 steps as is lol

  • @user-z1u4u
    @user-z1u4u Před měsícem

    👍

  • @MeriaDuck
    @MeriaDuck Před 24 dny

    New user since 1994. Still learning 😂

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 24 dny

      Haha, that’s awesome! There’s always something new to learn in the world of Linux. 😊

  • @yogesh193001
    @yogesh193001 Před měsícem +1

    The issue is with anydesk or TeamViewer etc

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @yogesh193001
      @yogesh193001 Před 5 hodinami

      ​@@juliaifrankcan you do a video explaining the network transparency issue and if there are any working solutions for remote desktop with Wayland

  • @fernandomarsal6268
    @fernandomarsal6268 Před měsícem +1

    Interesante

  • @epiphoney
    @epiphoney Před měsícem

    I never heard of it before. Thanks. I hear it has issues with Nvidia video cards.

  • @paleopteryx
    @paleopteryx Před měsícem +4

    Why not improving X11 instead of building a complete different server. protocol, etc? So far my wayland experience was a nightmare and I had to go back to X11. "New" doesn't necessarilly mean "better"!

    • @soymadip.
      @soymadip. Před měsícem +1

      Because most of the maintainers are volunteers. And a very old code like xorg is very hard to modernize

    • @fluoriteByte
      @fluoriteByte Před měsícem +1

      All the devs of x11 left to work on wayland, but they still accept merge requests yet no one actually sends them any code

    • @Lestibournes
      @Lestibournes Před měsícem +3

      The explanation I received was that in order to modernize X you'd need to change so much that it's easier to just start over with a new project.

    • @CristianMolina
      @CristianMolina Před měsícem

      X protocol was improved a lot throught decades, but at this point it is really hard to maintain and improve the current X11 code

    • @no_name4796
      @no_name4796 Před měsícem +2

      Because x11 is fucking older then the average politician, has the craziest spaghetti code, nobody fucking wants to even touch it (a wrong move and it will crumble), it lacks tons of features (heck multiple screen cannot have different refresh rates), it has tons of vulnerability which are unfixable (example: you can switch tty, kill the lockscreen, and just access the computer. Not the best thing. Wayland has a protocol where if you do that, you get a red screen of death, thus protecting your privacy)
      In few words, it's a one big fucking pile of garbage, which the fact it works alone is pure black magic

  • @lisanalghaib
    @lisanalghaib Před měsícem

    Saudações do Brasil minha cara. I use cachyos btw

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Saudações do Canadá! Obrigada por assistir! 😊

  • @nodswal
    @nodswal Před 26 dny

    You mention Nvidia and wayland, are there times you would need to switch away from one or the other?

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před 24 dny

      I didn’t mention Nvidia specifically in this video. But if it helps to answer your question, Wayland is a display server protocol, and Nvidia is a major graphics card manufacturer. Historically, Nvidia’s proprietary drivers had some issues with Wayland support, but generally speaking, the compatibility between Nvidia drivers and Wayland has been improving. Sometimes, users might switch to X11 if they encounter specific issues or need certain features not yet fully supported on Wayland with Nvidia.

  • @dipi71
    @dipi71 Před měsícem

    3:30 Is it possible that you're mixing up display managers (xdm, gdm, lightdm, sddm etc.) with window managers (kwin, compiz, fluxbox)?
    There's also desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, lxde, Enlightenment etc.).
    Of all those categories, some already work under Wayland or Xwayland. Some don't. Cheers!

    • @michaelmicek
      @michaelmicek Před 17 dny

      No, she didn't get into display managers at all.

  • @jeffcauhape6880
    @jeffcauhape6880 Před měsícem

    How widely has Wayland been adopted?

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      Wayland has been increasingly adopted by major Linux distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, and openSUSE. While it’s not yet universal, it’s steadily becoming the default in more systems.

  • @Bunuffin
    @Bunuffin Před 10 dny

    Wayland IS the future... X11 devs are the one working on it, all the "battle" is meaningless.

  • @JasmanjotSingh404
    @JasmanjotSingh404 Před měsícem +1

    What are your views on Flatpaks are they safe
    Flatpak vs AUR?!

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      I think Flatpaks are pretty safe since they run in a sandboxed environment. This basically means each app is isolated from the rest of the system, so it can’t mess with files or settings. Even if something goes wrong with the app, the damage is contained within its own little bubble.
      As for Flatpak vs. AUR, Flatpak works on a bunch of different Linux distros, making it pretty versatile. AUR is meant for Arch Linux and is all about user-contributed packages.

    • @coffee-is-power
      @coffee-is-power Před měsícem

      ​@@juliaifrankalso AUR is unsafe because anyone can submit build scripts including malicious ones that can Run as Root, its highly recommended to check the PKGBUILD file of the package before running it

    • @antonfrank3722
      @antonfrank3722 Před měsícem

      Flatpaks are great for apps like Discord, Spotify, etc, that don’t need direct system integration, but for things like some programming IDEs and applications like Steam the permissions can be kind of funky if you have the Flatpak.
      Apps like Flatseal can help with that, giving you the option to change permissions of every Flatpak application you have installed individually.

    • @JasmanjotSingh404
      @JasmanjotSingh404 Před měsícem

      Thanks for answer!!
      But flatpaks which are not maintained by original company itself like VLC flatpak
      Are they safe to use?

  • @bulentyildiz07
    @bulentyildiz07 Před 26 dny

    when the system run, never touch. 😊

  • @MahmudulHasan-wk3qv
    @MahmudulHasan-wk3qv Před měsícem

    I reccomend miro or sozi for these presentations

  • @JasmanjotSingh404
    @JasmanjotSingh404 Před měsícem

    What are your views on thorium browser?

  • @dmitrykhangulyan4349
    @dmitrykhangulyan4349 Před měsícem

    Хотел узнать, когда же xmonad протирают на Weyland, но тема осталась не раскрыта 😂

  • @Superkuh2
    @Superkuh2 Před 18 dny

    There's no such thing as Wayland. It is just a protocol without a strong reference implementation. Every Wayland implementation is different and software that will run on one wayland won't run on another. The waylands are fragmenting linux even worse than it already was. All because IBM/Red Hat want something easier for the fleets to deploy.

  • @DavidW27
    @DavidW27 Před měsícem

    Was going to watch it, but a 2:38 advert before a 6 minute videos wasn't a good return

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem +1

      Thanks for sharing. However, I have no control over when and if ads show up my videos. My channel is currently not monetized yet. Once it is, I’ll have more control over the ads settings. So this situation can be prevented.

    • @DavidW27
      @DavidW27 Před měsícem

      @@juliaifrank Meh CZcams, but I still gave you the like and comment for the algorithm 😉

    • @juliaifrank
      @juliaifrank  Před měsícem

      @DavidW27 appreciate it! 🙂