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I love the contempt that Rip has for everybody. Legend.
😂
Holy mackerel, fist time seeing him in a video - it's like I'm a fly on the wall watching myself!
He's a grumpy old man RIP is 😂😂😂. Love this guy.
Pfft, I have my 72 year old aunt doing speed pulls against chains and heavy SSB good mornings, now I just need to convince her to bulk up to 300lbs so she can clean house with the super heavyweight 70-75 division at worlds this year
I think you know what you have to do. Get her on GOMAD
Any else one really wanna see Rip and Louie sit down and talk ??? even If it wasn't about weight lifting I bet it would be good chat. there both super salty knowledgeable old dudes.
It would be a disaster lol
Rip seems more dogmatic but I like him even bought the 20kg Starting strength bar just for general fitness. I needed a bar with less sharp knurling then the Original Texas powerbar.
You ever seen Louis talk? Guy's totally in his own world. Terrible interviewee
It would turn into a fight that I would GLADLY PAY to see 😂
@@craigcrawford6749 yes, louie is knowledgeable but a poor communicator. Thinks out loud instead of conveying systematic information. Not always, but often
i'd say getting regular people strong is much more fulfilling experience
Conjugate can get regular people strong too though.
@@jdj2022 True, but for the vast majority of people trying to get strong the Conjugate to get method is complicated which will turn most people away.
@@xmonstahx765 I agree. It’s definitely more for advanced lifters. Like he said it isn’t for 80 year old grandmas but even novices can run it they just might need a coach. But it’s still strength training. I agreed with most of what he said in the video. Except when he said it wasn’t strength training.
@@xmonstahx765 westside conjugate is actually quite simple
1. Juice up
2. Buy every power suit on the rack
3. Lift heaviest weights
4. Die early death or
4a. Go insane.
@@jonathand9682 You speak truth sir :)
The conjugate system was Originally designed for Olympic weight lifting and athletics . Westside just uses it for geared powerlifting. It can absolutely be a great way to train for general strength. Granted you choose the appropriate exercise selection. Andy baker (who helped write the grey book uses it .)
The people that pay the bills for the gym are the people that pay and don't use the gym 😆
Planet Fitness business model explained
so very true
Cheaper memberships for the rest of us 👍
Best experience I’ve ever had around athletes was at a local strongman event my younger brother was competing in everyone was incredibly nice even to the point competitors were cheering each other on.
Same here I went to a local strongman here in Georgia a while back. It was a great family event. They were cheering each other on, they interacted with people and played with the kids.
I am now picturing Rip in a gym full of old grandmas. The goal....get strong enough to pull yourself up off the toilet when you're done.
Quasi Intellectual Prima Donna...Intellectual Colossus... These should be T-shirts available on the site
I especially appreciated the word colossus. Haven't heard that in a really long time.
The writer didn't suggest the two programs have the same goals. He just asked his opinion on westside/conjugate.
You’re right. That being said I enjoy rewatching that old Olympic vs powerlifting video
Has Rippetoe ever answered a question without getting perturbed or downright angry ?
The only thing is, a ton of Westside's success has been with Olympic sports, team sports, martial arts etc. Obviously Louie was seeing things through the lens of equipped lifting, but he made strong arguments for these methods being ideal for many types and had philosophy on how to adjust methods goal to goal. Louie was no joke
5:30 conjugate nose wipe
I love these rants
I'm 58 years old and do RIPs blue book workouts. I bench 400lbs, pull 400 lbs, squat 400 lbs. I just do it to be healthy in my elder years. It feels good to squat off the pot as I can repeat that sub optimal exercise many times. I found the blue book after I blew out my shoulder benching 500 lbs. It took 2 years to get back to 400 lbs bench. Thanks RIP! OLD Dudes of the world rise up and take over.
westside is for people that are already strong and well past the NLP
one thing stuck with me from Westside "for us speed is everything"
Speed is important. Many will find that they make better progress with submax training using weights that allow them to keep from grinding a bunch of reps. These will be the people who set huge PRs on the platform.
Raw vs geared lifting. Speed is critical in multi-ply because the faster you get the weight moving off the bottom, when you've got the full assistance of the shirt/suit/wraps, the easier it will be to lock it out, when you're actually lifting all the weight yourself. It's why they do so much dynamic work, training with an increasing resistance curve simulates the requirements of equipped lifting. In raw lifting the resistance is the same at all points.
@@BigUriel Yes but you still need to treat every rep like it's a max and try to move it as explosively as possible. Try that slow and controlled bullshit and you'll get nowhere fast.
I'd love to hear Rips opinions on all the "classes" of weightlifting. Casuals, Strongmen, Bodybuilders, etc.
I've known Rip 35 years. Been lifting for 40 plus . No one will ever come close to the the amount of knowledge and practicle application that he has . We test strength without multi ply suits and wraps . I've also never seen more people doing big weights consistently than with Starting Strength. Best coaching across the board of any system ever .
Considering what Rip has started, progeny from his system are slated to surpass him.
Yea right tell that to Josh bryant an Fred Hatfield. Starting strength is for newbies . It's the elementary school of lifting weights . Rip never had any impressive lifts in his life but you over here kissing his ass like he's he's guru .
@@heveyweightheveyweight5399 bad arguments
I want to see Louie and Mark fighting it out for the title of the best strength coach. Bare-chested, fist and knuckles, in the mud.
Why do I feel you missed out the word ‘naked’ in your comment?
@BlueJupiterJazz Gallagher will just talk through the whole match.
There's no comparison, Louie took beginners and legends and increased their performance, Rip only really works with beginners.
Good lord, I know exactly what he's talking about regarding olympic weightlifters. I went to a crossfit gym that had an olympic weightlifting club for years. The coach was real nice, but the people in the club were some of the uppitiest I've ever met. Despite only focusing on the olympic lifts, they were routinely outlifted by the people who did the normal crossfit program. If you get outlifted by the average crossfiter, you have no business thinking you are better than anyone.
True. But it's absolutely funny to watch them failing a lift LOL
They are resentful
Perfect take. Rip Louie.
Starting Steght = General Strenght for all public. Westside Method (Conjute) = Powerlifting competitive method. Can we use tools from both systems? ABSOLUTELY!
YNDTP
I think Rip just hates everyone. lol
I want a shirt with rip’s face at 1:33 on the back of it.
bahah dead
The older I get the more I identify with Rippetoe 🤣
Rip is a classic
That was deep.
Bought that shirt right away hot DAMN
Rip needs to do a show with Lou Simmons
The question appeared to be trying to reach out to an experienced Strength and conditioning coach asking for their general opinion on the potential efficacy of Conjugate.
Instead he got Mark saying:
It's not Starting Strength
Powerlifters suck
So do Olympic lifters
He doesn't know what conjugate is.
He implies it's only applicable to powerlifters but that's just not true.
Phil Daru uses it effectively for fighters.
Brian MacKenzie prescribes it for endurance athletes in his book Power, Speed Endurance.
And Dr Andy Galpin has mentioned the benefits of it for athletic performance.
So, just because Mark doesn't care to follow it doesn't mean you shouldn't either.
God dam Rippetoe, he just asked a simple question.
Plug your own ears if your fifis got hurt
@@moeazam6358 That’s good advice, you should become a self help coach, I’m sure you’re full of wisdom. Lol
@@TheCimmerian6
and make money off of your dumb ass that lacks commons sense yeah
Rip, Wendler, and Simmons.
One bowie knife
What happens next?
You decide.
Wendler would probably kill Louis first out of spite, figuring that Rip would be easy to finish.
I've watched several videos where Wendler and Rip have civil dialogue.... Not sure how this would go down lol
Yeah Rip and Wendler are friends it seems like. They target different populations with their work as well. Rip obviously targets people with little to no strength training background. Wendler targets more people who want to get strong while staying athletic.
Wendler
They think how silly this is and use the knife to cut up their steaks
Mark, you've said some pretty smart stuff, but this was the smartest
Except he said Westside isn’t strength training. The whole system is to get you stronger. Isn’t that the whole idea of starting strength too?
@@jdj2022 Hmm, I didn't hear Mark say that. I heard him say westside and starting strength are two totally different things, which they are. I heard him say professional powerlifters don't keep the lights on at a gym, which they don't.
@@waylonrichter7270 he said those things as well. He also said that Westside/ powerlifting and strength training are two totally different things.
Which isn’t really true. Powerlifting is strength training just in the competitive form. Watch the video again if you didn’t catch it. I’m not saying I disagree with everything he said in the video. A lot of it was good. But some of it didn’t make sense.
@@jdj2022 Rip has regularly highlighted the differences along the lines below.
Powerlifting is specific: strength in the SBD in the competitively necessary range of motion. Strength training is done with more lifts (addition of the press, plus a few others such as cleans, rows, and chins) done through the effective range of motion. Powerlifting is competitive and specific, strength training is personal and general.
@@chaseb6728 yes but in order to get good at powerlifting you have to strength train. Someone training for a powerlifting competition is strength training. The powerlifting competition then judges how successful you were of building strength on that lift.
And anyone who knows anything about powerlifting understand that powerlifters have to train other movement patterns to bring up their main competition lifts. Most powerlifters regularly overhead press and do pull-ups and rows and why not to build strength.
Powerlifter a are strength training. The display of that strength is the powerlifting meet.
Are you seriously trying to argue that someone who is training for a powerlifting meet isn’t strength training???
Hilarious and spot on!
Damn right!!!!
bending a bar at any real powerlifting gym will get you kicked out
Some grandmas are savage, though, and demand 'roids and being yelled at while they suit up.
If Rip got sentenced to prison he would convert immediately to Louies methods.
Why do you sat that?
Zack Telander: Yes yes yes yes whaaaa
This man is a national treasure. Protect him at all costs.
This might be the equivalent to asking a wrestler if wrestling is fake.
Power lifters have records , but end up busted up old men, but Bands and chains really help with strength training. Just sayin.
Nailed it...
For the normal guy westside is crazy...
But when huge dudes that are already elite his training created the strongest people there is for decade's.
I wonder what Rippetoe thinks about judo dojos. He’d probably call the senseis babysitters with the way he goes on about Lu Xiaojun being a primadonna.
It’s like comparing someone that wants an F150 so they can be more useful around their farm vs they guy that wants a monster truck to run over cars in a stadium.
I love RIP so much. “Now, ya can’t be sa STUPID” I just wanna have a drink and bullshit with him lol.
Lol@That last comment
Greg Panora (WR breaker) has said continuously that Louie told him if you cannot go 700-400-700 you have no business doing Conjugate.
Cheers Rip. 🥃
He was talking about training at Westside. For years Louie has been recommending Conjugate to newer lifters and even mentioned it in Westside’s most recent video.
I think his comments towards westside is based on a little jealousy and mabe based on some personal experience with powerlifters. Conjugate is a proven method that that should be praised and acknowledging respect for louie simmons. Seems like there some deep seeded resentment going on there
Hahaha . Funny mark
You seemed to dodge the question completely until the last 10 seconds. The writer didn’t imply that Westside was similar to SS. He or she just wanted to know what you thought of the methods. I’m hoping that these segments will be interesting one day.
I love this guy. I bet his head weigh 53lbs.
I did "westside" when I was a teen; got strong but stalled & never could progress later on.
Switch exercises.
@@Fuq2 did that, added bands too
6:49
5:30
If you're offended, you know it's true.
This is just my opinion, I don't compete, so I'ma just throw this out there as my general observation... Louie's training HEAVILY involves preparation for competing in gear. You can just see it by the way they train. Starting strength does not. That's the most obvious difference to me.
Westside works just as good for raw lifters and he has successful raw lifters. Strength is strength.
The only reason Westside was big into equipped is because the time period it got popular in was when equipped lifting was king in popularity. Now raw is getting more popular and you are having some great raw lifters represent west side too.
@@jdj2022 I know their training is 90+% done raw and those dudes are undoubtedly strong AF 💪 gear or no.
Also starting strength is a specific program you run for 3 months as a novice/detrained lifter to get your poundages up and get comfortable with exercise technique, while westside is more of a "training philosophy" which encompasses infinite amount of programs which people run for years adn decades
I demand Powerlifting and Weightlifting switch names! Goddamn it. It drives me crazy. That is all.
Do believe Rip went on a tangent and dodged a basic, simple question.
What’s new?
What was the question? It seemed that he answered what he thought about West side, and he told us what it was.
@@MrPotatoesLatkie it wasn't about Westside, it was about the Conjugate System, which Ripptoe, who is a "strength coach" told us has no clue what it is. Bravo Ripptoe for being too stupid to ever learn Conjugate System and concurrent periodization.
Nice rant but next time you might try and address the question...
Back in 1980, huh? You think maybe things have changed since then? I've been to some Olympic weightlifting meets in more recent years and I had a different experience. Is the warm-up area more quiet than what you'd see in other sports? Probably so, because everyone is focused. Powerlifters will hate this but Olympic weightlifting is the more technical sport. That doesn't mean I dislike powerlifting or disrespect the sport - hell I've considered entering a PL meet and going for a "super total."
FWIW, I also stay away, far away, from the pseudo-intellectuals. I stick with the coaches who actually know a thing or two about Olympic weightlifting. These coaches, in no particular order, are Greg Everrett, Max Aita, Drew Dillon, Wil Fleming, and Aleksey Torokhtiy. All of these coaches have free CZcams videos on technique and I have learned something from each one of them. If you're listening to any of these coaches and you think they are being "pseudo-intellectual," the problem ain't with them, it's with you.
@D B Yes, I am "obsessed" with promoting the sport of Olympic weightlifting. That means if I watch a video that contains what I consider misinformation about weightlifting, I will correct it. Most of my comments on the Starting Strength channel have been about Olympic weightlifting. That should tell you something.
You know the man inside the screen can't hear you right
apparently not much as has changed, considering you're exactly who he's talking about
Can't argue with any of this.
Sounds a lot like competitive CrossFitters.
“We measure your d on the weight lifting platform” -rip
Wenning said Ed Coan and himself don't agree with starting strength. I would be willing to bet Mark doesn't give a shit what they think. Nothing but drama. Mark in right about the difference. Day and Night.
Is Mark not just being diplomatic?
Having been a trainer for over 10 years and working out in gyms for 20 years, I completely agree with his statements here. Competitive powerlifting seems to draw a certain “I’m angry at the world for my tiny member so I’m going to get even fatter and scream louder to vent my self hatred” crowd. Competitive Olympic lifters love to think they’re elite, as I’d training Olympic lifts makes them a mythological Greek hero
Rip, you should have named your company more intuitively so that people would easily know its a strength program for people who are just getting started with strength training... oh wait
starting strength. STARTING.
No. Rip, sorry my friend. You're completely wrong here. Westside Barbell methods can be adapted to anything. The Westside methods are Max Effort, Repeated Effort, and Dynamic Effort. I come from a strongman background. 90% of all strongman competitors use Westside methods. There are some who don't, but most >800LB pullers I've trained with, lived with, and competed against all utilize the conjugated periodization system from WSBB.
Starting strength is for beginners. You'll never pull a 900LB Deadlift with that program.
The crew I trained with all pulled 800LB or more. Everyone trains Max Effort, switching up the exercise every week, smashing PR's, and peaking up to pull a heavy fucking single off the floor. Give Brian Shaw a call and talk to him about WSBB. See for yourself.
Practical Programming has many different variations of programming. It is not limited to the novice program. Read the book for more info. (Edited for clarification)
The grey book has programs similar to conjugate
@@eddieolong incorrect. starting strength is the name of the novice program
Practical programming has very very firm limits on how far you can go, without explaining how to go about it all. Westside ME, DE and R methods aren’t explained too well without spending money.
Conjugate is really anything you want it to be, it’s a crucial problem that people think Westside is bands and chains and maxing out. I feel like that it’s distinctive but it’s not even close to the real important Stuff in the problem. Repetition Method dealing with weaknesses is the important part. Sadly, Westside IS geared lifters on gear but that’s not the point of conjugate.
@@Xplora213 my point is this, any program can be tailored to your needs. PP absolutely does not have firm limits on potential progress, your genetics are responsible for that. The Texas Method can be brutal, just like any other program if you run it long enough. Eventually you'll stall and have to adapt. That's training.
Simple question Rip. Calm down
I don't love the answer here. Mark has an exaggerated view on Westside/ Conjugate and not the real take. It's a bit sour grapes and Mark is kinda being just as arrogant as the core Westside guys. Louie was more than what he mentions. He consulted for many sports teams and in a number of areas outside equipped/ geared lifting. Lots of application to strength/ conditioning. Westside had huge RAW success as well.
Rip doesn't seem to like competitive powerlifters even tho he used to be one
Because the modern mentality is that the average gym goer thinks heavy lifting is associated exclusively with powerlifting, which brings its own concepts that can contradict the traditional principles of strength training
Because he failed at being one so now he hates it.
Exhausting. After 10 minutes of explaining his opinion, he ends with "I don't know enough about it to have a valid opinion."
Rip is more entertaining and has a better personality
He definitely has the better personality, for sure.
😂😂😂
lol
What are we going to call Olympic weightlifting now it’s not in the Olympics they even took out boxing wtf
Westside methods can definitely be used by non geared, suited, wrapped and geared humans lol. I would commit suicide if I had stick to rips techniques only.
Rip, you really should consider brushing up on tennis ...
Powerlifting is gay but I’m too old to do any oly lifting anymore
Louie was about glory rip is a rip off preying on the old
I love that powerlifting is for places where they don't drug test and there is all these people in Rip's world that are on gear (disguised as a medical treatment for hypogonadism) and they all say look at all I have been able to do on this program. Lol
Nope!
I think Ripptoe is just pissed bc he's weak and his program sucks