How I Write Permanent Notes in Obsidian - Effective Remote Work
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- Note-taking methodologies like Zettelkasten and Evergreen Notes focus on writing permanent notes from other kinds of notes. The question for you might be: how do I write a permanent note? This week, Justin reveals his simple process for doing so.
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With so much of the PKM space focusing on the creation and maintenance of systems, it is nice to see content on the actual crafting and processing of notes. I appreciate the focus on idea generation and synthesis, as that is where the real value of these systems exists. Thanks.
This is the exact reason I struggled with understanding PKM/Zettelkasten for a long time. Most of the content out there is debates around the best way to structure your setup or what conventions to use. I just want to take notes.
I'm really glad this has helped! I'm hoping to do a video on PKM for normal people soon.
I've been summarizing recent political events using the same methods by collecting articles written on them. From your literature notes to permanent notes. Thank you!
That’s a great use case.
Subscribed. Just this video and the previous alone has made me more excited to collect information, and organize them - particularly for novel writing. Thank you so much!
You're very welcome :D
Thanks Justin great work as always . . .
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you very much for sharing this clever method, it’s super informative and well explained. “When somebody speaks well, it’s because he thinks well”
Those are very kind words. Thank you much!
Not always
It's quite surprising that some schools don't usually teach students to write their own thoughts and ideas about the subjects they are learning, I am one of those students. Teachers tend to force students to write what is being written on the board or contents of a book, just copying and pasting.
Then they check the notebooks, and the notebooks usually takes up the percentage of the grade. And yet, we just throw the notebooks away after the school year.
I wasted a lot of valuable time in learning how to write efficient and smart notes, notes that will always stick in my head and notebook. But watching this, I know there is still time.
I still have the tendency to copy what I read or hear, but I am getting a hang of writing in my own thoughts. Making my writing into the physical manifestation of my thoughts.
Fully agree here! Super important to think for yourself as well as learn the facts.
hi Justin, can you elaborate more on the distinction you make between [MOC notes for permanent notes] vs. [topics notes for literature notes]? 7:31
Thanks for the video. Was helpful. An example how a permanent note comes out of several (permanent/literature) notes could be of even greater help in practice.
Thanks for the idea! I'll add it to the backlog.
There are hundreds of videos that speak to the how to create a zettelkkasten but I just need to see the actual process of reducing a literature notes into a singular idea in one’s own words…like actually see the words not the broad explanation of the process. I need to see the actual words of the literature note and the words that ultimately went on the permanent note.
Great video, Justin! This has clarified a lot about making Permanent Notes.
How do you keep track of what literature notes need to be processed into Permanent Notes. I've been focusing on taking literature notes, but haven't fully understood permanent notes at the time. Now I have a collection of literature notes that I need to process.
I use a tag called #to-process. Any literature note I want to come back and build permanent notes out of gets this tag.
@@EffectiveCo perfect! That’s sort of what I started doing too. Thank you Justin!
Hello, thanks so much for the video! I have two questions:
1) what's the advantage between the MOC system over one based on notes under folders?
2) Obsidian has a plugin that can create Zettelkasten notes with the typical numerical (date-time) title: do you see any advantage in it?
Thank you!
1) I like MOCs because they allow for browsing notes like folders, but also a note is not limited to being in one MOC. I haven't tended to MOCs much lately in my vault -- I should probably do that ;)
2) The Zetellkasten number plugin is helpful if you're set on using Zettelkasten IDs to differentiate your notes -- I personally do not use them because I use more of the Evergreen note method.
@@EffectiveCo thanks for your reply :) Re 2, the key difference is basically that an evergreen note is open to updates and modifications, right?
Thanks for the video! I think one issues I have is wanting to capture notes word for word. I believe this is preventing me from notes at more of an atomic level
Hi. Well, one solution to this might be to actually take an A5 paper and take you first notes (while reading/listening/watching) on it and only then to convert it to obsidian. At first, doing things by hand will make you synthesize the information. Once used to it you can directly type into Obsidian :) I hope I helped!
That's a great idea! I'm going to do exactly that! Thanks for your comment! I appreciate it
Everyone has their own note-taking style. If word for word helps you, great. The key is coming back, pulling out ideas, and thinking through them yourself where a deeper level of knowledge is crafted.
Oh, the index is smart!!
Full credit goes to Nick Milo -- forum.obsidian.md/t/390
I think that the index is something not necessary if we make a "proper" use of Obsidian's hashtags (proper as in my opinion). If I have correctly understood the Zettelkasten method, Obsidian hashtags are the ones to encode the "contexts" of the note, understanding context, not as the type of note (like #speed-reading, #manage-teams or #gym-plans) but as the situation on which you would like to stump upon the note (like #developing-marketing-strategy, #writing-book-in-30-days or #understanding-human-reasoning).
Hence, with that approach, the list of hashtags automatically would have the index without requiring any extra work
Can anybody confirm or correct me?
@@RicardoTellez_journey What you propose is not exactly like that. Notes have a hierarchy. In the real Zettelkasten method, notes have an entry point. Luhmann created a note with index 1), then a note with index 1.1) (that was a note of the note 1 concept) then he might have a 1.1a) which would be a sub-note of note 1.1. But in the end, 1.1a pertains to note 1, which is the original entry point.
The index in the LYT (not IMF anymore) framework, is the entry point for a topic. So if you start with [[000 Index]] [[020 Productivity]] is a sub-note (in this case an index) and a GTD MOC might have n number of notes. Those notes have an entry point, which in the end is [[020 Productivity]]. But it's a link to another reference, not a tag. You could tag 1M notes with #productivity, and there would be no hierarchy.
I'm very new to all of this, but very interested. I've used OneNote for years and fallen into Collector's Fallacy and collected too much information while not recording many of my actually valuable notes.
Any chance you'd show your Home MOC or Zettelkasten structure? Curious where your literature notes reside relative to your permanent notes. Also, I'd love to hear why you've elected to not use Zettelkasten IDs.
Thanks for the questions Trevor! I will do a video on this to answer your questions more in depth.
My literature notes are actually in the same folder as my permanent notes. It's because I rely on linking for organizing versus folder structure.
I am not using Zettelkasten IDs because 1) I think they're clunky and 2) I'm using the Evergreen note method, which focuses on permanent notes being titled as a sentence versus a topic that could be duplicated.
Thanks for the video. You might want to activate the spell checker that comes with Obsidian (another Obsidian tip, as it's not active by default). :) It's "Tyranny". :)
Haha thanks! I believe spell check wasn't a part of the app when this was recorded!
thanks
You're welcome!
Is it possible to use Obsidian on a Chromebook? Thanks for your amazing videos!
Unfortunately I don’t think so.
Can you help with how to create the index?
I’ll make a video soon about doing this :)
@@EffectiveCo please :D
Nice video! Is Maps of Content (MOCs) as a construct original to you? Where would I go to learn more?
Searching the term on DDG results in "creating content maps for your website contents" or "Google Maps content partners" or Jordan Peterson's book "Maps of Meaning". A Google search mostly resulted in "How to Use Content Mapping" for content marketing.
Hey David, MOCs I believe were created by NickMilo. Check out forum.obsidian.md/t/imf-advanced-starter-kit-v2/390
Yes that's correct -- I've grabbed the idea from Nick. It's really quite a great way to work it!
@@Kvantimo Many thanks!
How fast do you type?
It's been a while since I tested myself but it was north of 100wpm. Depending on the situation of course!
@@EffectiveCo you're a God. I would ask you to make a video about that but I'm not sure that would be worth your time since I'm not sure if it's something others are interested in. Though I imagine if dying from typing at 40 wpm then there's other who already died before they reached the second paragraph in Obsidian.
Liked. Subscribed. Watching ads. Great content keep it up.
Much appreciated!