Audi S5 - vs CTS & 335is - (Sports Coupes Pt.3) - Everyday Driver
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- The guys take the Audi S5 for a drive in the snow in this third and final part of our Sports Coupes comparison. And in the final discussion, how well will the upstart Cadillac CTS fair against this Audi and the BMW 335is?
- Auta a dopravní prostředky
I think that if I was 25 I'd go for the BMW, at 35, I'm going with the Audi. The Caddy never even crossed my mind.
the caddy might cross your mind when youre 65
@@monsterman480 lmao
@@monsterman480 facts
German cars have a distinctive kind of beauty. It's what happens when the form follows function to such an extent that its sheer engineering pedigree makes it look gorgeous.
how can you compare these two beautiful cars (audi and bmw) to that ugly refridgerator that is CTS
Haha! Taste is in the eye of the beholder... I have a 2011 Cadillac CTS-V and a 2013 Audi S5 Cabriolet Prestige. I love them both. The Audi is more refined, The CTS-V is a monster.
@@terryrutherford2114 right but they're testing the CTS......which is def not a monster
CTS is a cheap looking piece of shit
@@HOBBL3 I think its beautiful! it these shitty pasty colors that ruin it! in black or red or caddy white it looks so good! its one of the most beautiful coupe designs ever..
I noticed the 335i tested was a manual, but the S5 was automatic. Although the balance of the cars is a factor, I suspect the automatic transmission is largely responsible for the lack of feel reported in the review. I'm considering an S5 and if I take the plunge, it will certainly be a manual for that reason.
I need that S5. Looks like my A6 is getting traded as soon as possible lol
Update: I traded it. Got my S5 and only reminisce sometimes but I'm loving this thing.
congs S5 is a beautiful Car...saving for a CPO one...don't like taking the depreciation hit of New cars
RobBeenHood what year did u get?
The RS5 is a fun car, but if we brought it to this comparison we'd have to also bring the M3 and the CTS-V... at that point all the cars are even more expensive. It would be a fun fight, though! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I love my 2010 S5 6MT. My only questions for the "drivers" in the comment section bashing the S5 for feeling "numb" and "un-involving"... Have you driven one with the upgraded rear differential and Drive Select? It becomes 2 different cars. "Comfort" feels nice and easy. "Dynamic" transforms it into a beast. It's incredible.
99% of my driving is on everyday commutes on public roads. For this purpose, there are few cars on the road better. Luxury and power in exceptional form.
If your JOB is to race on the track, this is not the suit you wear to your office.
This is the suit that destroys 90% of the competition it faces every day, but doesn't have to scuff its cufflinks demolishing the douche in the R/T next to you.
It's Duane "The Rock" Johnson in a well tailored suit.
Yep, I have the upgraded Diff and Drive Select and LOVE IT! It really is like having two different cars! I love my S5!
It still does not match up against the E92 335is's feel. The S5 is good, and to say it's numb is going a bit far, but when compared to the E92, it falls short.
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I am in love with your program. It is by far my favorite in the way you guys discuss the vehicles and communicate to us. Thank you for your hard work!
so the one guy says the BMW is too expensive then picks the most expensive car as his number 1...
Just to give credit where credit is due, Walter DeSilva, ex-FIAT and Alfa Romeo Designer, and then, Head of Design at AUDI Brand from 2002 - 2007 designed this beautiful coupe. He has been quoted that this was ( A5 ) his favorite design during this era of AUDI. You didn't think a German guy designed something this beautiful, did you?? lol Che Bella Automobili !! ;)
really enjoyed this series about sport coupes, keep up the great work guys!
The IS has a legendary Motor the N54 and with a simple tune and basic mods even in 2022 it pulls multiple car lengths over factory M cars with over 500 hp for half the price. The views of the country side reminded me of Heber city Utah amazing vistas great content.
Timlad, they are Utah based, i think you are spot on with Heber/ Park city. Good call!
great video guys! i love your comparisons reviews!
I own a Audi and think the have the nicest interior.. I must say I was just at the Auto Show and was very impressed with the CTS interior
The Audi just needs simple software tunning. You can reprogram its AWD system for more oversteer(It comes with very conservative and safe settings out of a factory, even in dynamic mode) and the V6 version can be chiptuned to 400+ HP, then it'll be the best, but you may lose warranty.
One of these guys said the Audi is a "great car but it doesn't amaze me" How can something great not be amazing? All 3 cars are capable and fun to drive, loaded with features and options. Best thing to do is test drive them and see for YOURSELF! Some of these critics are too critical.
Finally!! Well worth the wait this quality is amazing!! Great job guys keep em coming!!
@cuts2thebone - Excellent question. The concept of this review was spurred by the 335is - the hottest 3 Series you can buy that Isn't the M3. So we gathered the models just beneath the M3, RS5, & CTS-V. The result was these 3 cars, which vary wildly in standard features and value for money.
The thing I am most jealous about of you guys is not the cars you get to drive but the roads you drive on. WOW!
I like these guys' reviews.
Love my S5!
Hopefully I'll be right on your level bro. Love my A6 but I've always been a coupe man.
I'm bringing my S5 out on April 1 :)) so exited
Nick James Update: I got my S5 last year. Everyday is a fun trip to work lol Beware of the BMWs, Benz, Maros and pretty much every car that has over 300 HP. I get drawn into a race on a regular lol Today was versus a benz coupe smh
i know right, last summer subarus and 335i's always tried to race me :P im doing a 15% tint on my windows, its going to look filthy!!
Just got a full JHM(Vortech) supercharger setup on my 4.2L S5, it is ridiculous. Now I must be careful about the stoplight drags, lol.
great review and an objective comparison...really enjoyed it!
I've always had my eye on the 335 and the S5. I only buy used vehicles, so have been waiting for prices to come down. I also research the crap out of cars before I buy them and am a bit obsessive. Winner for me is the S5 for styling, interior fit and finish, and reliability. From everything I have read on forums, BMW's turbo on the 335 is absolute crap with wastegate issues and problems with the high-pressure fuel pump. Replacing the turbo is $7k. Google search "335 turbo issues" and you'll see search result after search result for problems, class-action lawsuits, etc.. Also, resell value for the 335 is much lower than the S5. You can buy a 2009 335i under $20k off a dealer lot. S5's are about $30k.
Allen Walker I'm in the same boat Allen. All ways wanted a 335ix. After hours of research, and a few long test drives. I'm going to buy a 2012 Audi S5. The BMW is a great car, and a hell of a lot of fun to drive but overall there really isn't a doubt on the choice. S5.
Allen Walker the turbos are not the issue with those cars...its the high pressure fuel pump that is the problem. they are cheap to replace and are covered under warranty for like 120k miles
Get the N55 single turbo and all those problems are gone. Its really a fantastic car, almost no turbo lag. The car looks great and it handles like a dream. The only downside its the Audi had better interior. But i like the basic interior of BMWs, its all preference there
William Harrington Eh, the Internets seems to think there is a problem with the turbos. Also, when I was looking around for used 335's, "Rebuilt Turbo" was common in ads. I neither have access to all the raw data, nor am I trained actuary. It was just something I saw on the boards, in ads and other online sources. Same thing with the fuel pump. Don't know how hard it is to replace in a 335. I upgraded my fuel pump in my 4runner to push more gas to my supercharger and it wasn't that big a deal, even though the fuel pump wasn't exactly a $50 part. Labor wasn't too bad. Just a six pack of beer.
+Allen Walker Yes, been in the market for couple months and finally settle on a 335is. It was S5 vs 335is at the end. S5 is clear winner from stylish perspective, but i like the kick from 335is.. and felt so solid.. good luck in your search..
My dad got a s5 and me and my sister fit in the back no problem
How old and how do you weight and how tall are you? I need this info, I may buy this car.
TheMidnightNarwhal I've a 2009 S5 and the backseats are really just for having occasional passengers. When your seat is fully backed it touches the backseat. It's almost a 2+2 unless you've very short people sitting in front.
BrawndoScream Then it's fine because first I usually won't drive with seat fully backed and 2 well I just want extra 2 for you know when bringing friends out to a pub or going out.
TheMidnightNarwhal You'd need to know how tall his dad is too.
Martin Espinoza For reference I'm 5"7, my wife is 4"10 (yeah she's really short), I went to pickup friends at the airport, one is 6" his wife is 5"8 we were fine we sat my taller friend behind my wife and I moved my seat an inch forward. It's ok as I said, but if you're a tall driver, forget about the person behind you unless they are very short. It's not as bad as the 911 the seats are actually useful just wouldn't imagine having to drive that everyday with more than 2 people, like every other coupe it's a compromise of look before practicality.
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Great BGM. Better than most of the big guys!!
We hope you noticed that the guys didn't agree on this point. Paul liked the Audi and felt the car was equal to it's cost, Todd however felt the Audi was very overpriced. You can find these comments in the review and in the wrap-up discussion as well. Thanks for watching and we hope you'll watch more of our work.
Well after 12 years Audi A5/S5/RS5 all are pretty much a classic beauties for most of the people and still look relevant. BMW on the other hand ....
The thing I don't get with most US reviewers is that it seems very important what others think of the car you buy.
The point is how they drive, how they make YOU feel while driving.
That guy with the long hair seems to be an unique US reviewer though, I'm gonna go watch more of his reviews.
The reason why I won't buy an Audi is obvious, just open the hood and see where the engine is placed.
zemekiel the quatro system corrects for the issues the weight would cause
Man, the Audi just blows those other cars away. Pure beauty.
Great views guys!!!! Keep up the good work. :)
I love the S5! Designer Walter de'Silva says it is the most beautiful car he has designed. My only complaint with it is that it is too quiet in the cabin. I'd like to hear more of that V8 grunt! The new 3.0 they have in them now just isn't the same...
Awesome review and amazing cars! Out of this bunch, I would go for the S5 - hands down. But.. The problem is that a decent equipped S5 will cost as much as an M3, and in that case M3 does look more appeasing.
@EverydayDriver I see, thats a fair assessment. Keep up the good work, you guys are by far the best reviewers compare to motortrend and car&driver on youtube. So much more in deph and not afraid to bring the true faults of these cars. Wish you guys did more cars!!! and add 1/4 mile time to the 0-60 time that you guys already provide.
about time this video came out
Great video
Every month driver becomes every fortnight driver, Great upload once again guys
@therealmichaelw - For Everyday Driver we've set a price cap of around $50,000. Thus, everything we drive needs to be something which can be bought new for around $50k or below. So, it's not that we can't get an M3 or CTS-V (We have driven them, btw) but they are above the price-range.
Now... you could get them used... ;-)
Meanwhile, we are going to start doing some more expensive cars under an "Exotic Driver" brand. We hope everyone will enjoy those as well.
Great review! Just want to know where is it you did the driving? This road looks fabulous and I just wanna pass by for my next road trip
@viclam Ken Okuyama is an example of a Japanese designer who worked for GM, Porsche & Pininfarina. He designed or supervised projects including the Porsche 996, Boxster, Ferrari Enzo and Ferrari 599.
It doesn’t matter who designed the car - hallmarks of good designers include the ability to sustain the ‘flavor’ of a particular marque. Great designers do not design for themselves or for their national heritage.
Hope you have time to check out our 2010 FAQ, and thanks for watching!
@broncovinnie - Point taken, but we think it depends on perspective here. Our approach was to gather the three highest models just under the fire-breathing M3, CTS-V, and RS5 - and that means these three cars. The A5 would have been underpowered in this company and wouldn't have been the best Audi offers underneath the RS5. And while the S5 we drove was far more money than the CTS, it is possible to get them cheaper and close to the 335is and the CTS in price.
Love watching your reviews. Would you be able to do a review on a MINI Cooper S?
Great show. love the show and best it is honest.
i recently purchased an A5 cabriolet, fully loaded; it's fantastic. my first car was a german car, a karmann ghia; i think my last car will be a german as well........and definitely an audi
You must be a millionaire.loll
WOW the scenery around 5:45 was amazing. Where was this shot ? You two guys has me laughing hard when you were talking at the end to eachother. I definitely like the in depth and precise reviews you both do. I'm a subscriber for sure now. Now... to see if you have done a review on my car. The Acura TL Type S :)
awesome reviews, just curious how come you guys didn't bring the cts v to compare being a base price of the v is the same price as these two beef up cars ?
@jconte29 - Industry wide, car journalists generally regard Audi for their interior quality - so we are not alone. That doesn't mean Audi's interiors are fault-less. Yes, Merc does some nice interior work, but they also have their share of mis-steps. Also note the fact that when Ford & Dodge decided to finally improve their interiors they publicly set Audi (not Merc) as their target.
@wilstave If you're referring to the 5th gear 335i vs S5, the BMW won by 6 hundredths of a second, not a "blows this out of the water" performance. But let put things into prospective, if you load up a 335i with X drive, nav and upgraded sound system you're at $59k vs $62k for the S5. If you load up the 335is the price is the same as the S5 but without all wheel drive. The Audi has a more refined interior & exterior and has more power but needs better steering feel. The 335 needs updating.
@jrgold027 - It would definitely depend upon the seating position of the person driving. Both Paul and Todd are 6'3" and when they were driving the seat behind them had no legroom left. Someone shorter would change the situation. The seats themselves are good, but the leg room is the real question.
although they upload once a century, their audio and video qualities are the best
The s5 looks better than the rs 5
I own a 2013 Audi S5 Cabriolet Prestige and it's everything they say in this video. I also own a 2011 Cadillac CTS-V and it blows everything away. I love the refinement of my Audi, but the V OMG!
these guys can talk about design .. which is rare in car reviews ...
Funny how fast the S5 design has aged given all the praise you guys bestowed upon its styling.
fantastic review, different opinions, pointing out good and bad, not hating, great job!!!
EverydayDrive - thanks for doing this comparison!! You should have driven the stick in the Audi S5. I believe the comment about "the power never gets to a point that wows me" would never have been said if you had tried the 6 speed manual. The drive would have been different and quite frankly more fun. Also the S5 has been clocked at between 4.7 and 4.9 in the 0-60. Audi says 4.9, either R&T or C&D says 4.7. Thanks!
its finally uploaded!!!!!!!!
5:25, and now the S4 and S5 use the same engine.
Not a lot of people look at the Audi or the CTS, but the 335is with 19's gets looks everywhere. Plus it sounds brutal, but only when you want it to.
everyday driver is the best reviewer!
Top Gear put the 335 and the S5 head to head on the track and they literally tied. So Idk what they're talking about saying the S5 isn't surprising and feels slower...
He just doesn't know what he's talking about. Also ... With a simple Stage 2 or 3 S5 would whoop everybody's ass including a lot of supercars'. Audis are very tuneable and trouble free. Especially 2.0 V4 and 3.0 V6.
You can tune a B8 or a B8,5 A5 to 600-700 HP very easily for not a lot of money. And it would whoop exotics 👍
B8 and B8,5 Audi A5/S5/RS5s are definitely future classics.
how does the 2011 compare to the 2008?
please replay asap! i want an audi s5 but not new considering price and its older model looks about the same, but does it have all those nice gadgets and features included in the 2011 version.
thank you and have a great day =)
Audi achieved what they set out to design with the S5, its a calm sophisticated sports coupe thats safe and powerful
Would you guys pick a s4 or a lexus 350 is f?
the carbon fiber door trim pieces on mine are coming off on the area closest to the door handle. 08 with just over 70k miles. anyone else having this issue?
Gunguy Forlife same here. It’s common
how expensive would this be to maintain? Also I am Between this or the Chevrolet Colorado. Which one? please get back to me as soon as possible. Thanks!
How do you get that to work? Can that be done via VCDS (VagCom)?
"It's there, it just doesn't want to disturb" 🤣🤞🏾😉
yay FINALY out!!!
Would you guys pick an s5 or an m3?
K, they said wait a few years to look at the 335is....here we are! Wonder how the ATS stacks up though, sounds like Caddie has the weight, engine and handling worked out, but the shifter needs work.
i dont know what your talking about my dad has an s5 2010 stick shift and that thing is glued to the ground. he has a stick shift and it seems to jump off the line faster than any other sports car were next to. the turning on it is incredible it litterilly feels like your glued to the ground the way if takes conners. maybe its cause you were in a auto.
Where did you film this? These look like great roads!
Nice.. I respect that.. cause it really looks great.
@manlyman6392 - Todd read this and laughed. Bravo. Nicely done.
how fast the s5 design has aged? how do you mean?
Where are you guys located? The roads and scenery is absolutely amazing!!
would you ever tune this car? or would it be a tuners "normal" car. im not a tuner but when i get mine i feel like i would tune my japanese cars a keep this as a long distance, snowy area, road trip car. oppinions?
Here’s a lil insight.. hb drive the stick s5 then MAYBE you’ll feel more ‘engaged’
@therealmichaelw I'm sure they could get the cars. Though with the TT RS coming to the US I wonder what the guys would think of that? Since the S5 is basically a coupe, would the TT RS be the better buy with the Turbo I5.
I feel like you guys would both pick the RS5 which is based on an engine of a different platform. Its a new version of the R8 engine. (NO it is NOT the R8 engine!!!) That engine is derived from what audi learned from the R8 and I feel like you guys would love that.
@rrt1991 starting prices are M3 (58k) CTS-V (63k) S5 (53k) but the RS5 will be a whopping 71k when it arrives stateside. The problem is that Audi places its S line below the M line in price and then its RS line way above.
yay FINALY out!!! do a Scion tc!!
Todd, make sure you drive it with the stick!!!
@wilstave You know that the new 5-series is a roly-poly silent, comfortable and soft cruiser rather than a sports car, right?
So, on average, all the cars are #2?
I'm not sure, but isn't the S5 the equal of BMW's M3?
@lbryan250 - We're working our way toward TWICE a century. ;-)
@bajabusta because the A5 only comes in 2.0T now?
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY S5!!!! DAMN STUDENT LOANS!
my friends dad has this car and he uses it for the carpool. But he has the standard transmission in it, not the flappy paddle automatic version
its crazy that the main point of contention for why the Audi didn't win was the price, but in a few months I'm buying one for 15k
The styling is waaaaay too conservative for me... give me something that says "HEY, I'm an Audi & I cost $60,000!" I am in no way, shape or form a Honda fan but I think the 2016 Honda Accord Sport coupe looks the part of what this Audi should turn its direction towards without over-doing it. The Audi has that 'cookie-cutter' styling the whole VAG has and needs to have its own identity! Just sayin...
And that's what's crazy about it I know people that have BMW and Mercedes going towards the Honda
TheJoePepper In my humble opinion the facelifted coupe looks like its brand new just like the s5 while the cadilac looks like its from 2004
Hahaha a Honda fan? That explains it all...
@NoGoodJim The M5 will beat the S5 in every performance category and it's also $10k to $12k more money. The S5 is not a pure sports car, it's a GT. I've got one and it's a WONDERFUL highway car. I've had 3 BMWs and I really like this one best. I do wish that it had the same feel at the steering wheel as my older 3 series cars but the power and all wheel drive definitely make up for the deficiency. Also the S5's wheel feels better at higher speeds, but it's not as good as the BMW's wheel.
I mean it looks old now. They had to refresh it pretty quick and the refresh was quite drastic up front.
thats true many people at parking lots have told me nice car bro even i have a stock a5
I'm in the uk and in winter, your BM won't be driving anywhere in the snow, my '06 325i M sport would not drive in the slightest of snow, it hasn't even settled and you could see the road through the snow, but nope, bmw not going anywhere, turned traction control off and that helped but in the end i had to abandon it, it slid into the camber of the road to the gutter and couldn't get out. next i bought an '06, 2.7 tdi Quattro S line. snow? what snow! fantastic, Audi forever now
peteq1972 in central europe we drive anything in snow and ice i mean if an old lada can do it anything can
You could of brought snow tires and save your money
"Well congratulations, you bought a 3-series just like every other shmuck!" - Paul
CZcams quote of the day! lmfao!!
I was under the impression that the S5 had the supercharged v6 and the RS5 had the V8
To me, there are no current cars as beautiful as some of the newer audi's, especially the A5 :D