QUIRKY Saab No-Crank -Part 2 (Tech2 ECM Programming)
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2022
- Here we go...got some spare ECMs from eBay for this hot rod Saab V6 Turbo!
Now the tricky part: PROGRAMMING!
For this operation we need the OEM GM Tech2 with a Saab twist.
This is my first time programming a Saab, so let's jump through all the Quirky hoops together :)
SPECIAL THANKS TO THE SMART SAAB GURUS!
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Enjoy!
Ivan - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Thanks Ivan for fixing my car, she starts every time and I don't have to worry about being stranded anymore!👍 Now could let my son drive it to pick up manual shifting skil, great job as always! I also have all the software downloaded and installed, just need to find an inexpensive usb pass-through interface to talk the car for future issues. Happy holidays!
Was a pleasure to get your Saab back in proper working order 😉
Thank you for commenting!
It's fun to know who the car belongs to!
It's cool for the owner to post on how their car is doing wish you and your son luck in driving it many more years but if I owned the car I couldn't give it to a brand new driver for fear they'd wreck the clutch riding/slipping it unless you have actually showed him what to do then it's ok because it cannot be easy getting a clutch for a Saab
Nice to see it is back in operation again. I hope you didn't buy it new. These Saabs are just a over priced Chevy Malibu, or Pontiac G6. They usually cost a arm and a leg to service unlike the real GM versions. I still run a 2004 Taurus 3.0L because I know they run forever and parts are cheap. This is how I think. Anyway happy holidays to you and everyone visiting Ivan's channel. Shout out to Ivan BTW for ripping out his hair fixing this GM Epsilon Chasis Saab.
Everything is independant on that interface not a good idea to cheap out there unless it's tried and true.
Recently " retired " mechanic, I have literally worked on everything from Lear jets to lawnmowers.
Control modules "computers "didn't exist in vehicles when I started out.
When doing work with the laptops, easy on the body, hard on the brain!
Love the show Ian.
This is what i like most about Saab's, the community is really awesome! You can find guides and solutions to litarally anything Saab related on the forums. I started my career as an apprentice at the local Saab dealer here in Sweden in the early 2000s. We had 4 tech II for all 20 techs and when you needed security access you requested it from the car and then you disconnected it and brought it with you to the head tech which plugged it into a secure computer located in a locked room and then it gave the tech II security access ;) Two years later i opened my own shop specialised in Saabs and by then a friend had succesfully made an key generator that the Global tis accepted. If you are going to work on more Saabs i suggest you looking into the Trionic can flasher tool and Trionic suite tools to hard code ecu's and change other things that the tech II can not do.
@34:25 "It freaking works!"......I'm sure I saw a tear of joy and relief well up just then? Well, it would have if it had been me, as I know exactly what you must have been feeling after undergoing such a long and tortuous learning curve. Kudos to you Ivan, and another Oscar for your outstanding camera work to ensure we could all stay on the ride. I hope you have the time to release a Christmas special, as I can't think of anything better to do on Christmas Day after a hearty lunch.
This is one of the rare times I've seen someone mention "posts on forums" and not have to complain that all the posts are never followed up with a solution. The only other place this has happened for me is a forum called "VFR Discussion" for the Honda VFR motorcycle, run by the same guy since the year 2001.
Also the quality and type of owner for Saab might help. I own a Japanese grey import here in Australia and most of the community are young men who really can't help. I find myself in the position of being one of the *few* people who writes the articles and posts the videos on how to make stuff work.
That takes a LOT of patience . . . They really make you work for this don't they? I can feel the joy from fixing it like what I get from fixing computers when I'm not a computer guy. I wonder what it was like for the guys that fixed the software and how they figured that out.
I've been working on cars forever. You just proved I'm not that smart!
Ivan. Superb video. ECU failure really is a limiting factor with the Saab 93, but this tutorial gives hope :) UK 2006 Saab 93 Aero owner, so very much appreciate you're sharing of the fix 😊
Watched both vids. Best part of the vid/s was owning the mistake with the ground and not hiding it (respect). Over the many decades in this business, it has always intrigued me when mechanics/techs (not the same) labeled something "Quirky" simply due to the lack of knowledge. There are plenty of domestic vehicles that require modules to be programmed or they will not operate either. And all the software/diagnostics for all manufactures do not use the same protocols either. The Saab brand is just another car like all the rest, they break down and cost money to repair. On another note: When programming the other ECM's, you need to choose the correct options when doing so or they will not be plug & play.
Happy Holidays To You and the Mrs. Thank You for all you do for the viewers. 🎄🎁
Of all the brand owner communities, Saab would have my bet to be one of the most educated on programming and troubleshooting. It’s an automotive cult in some senses in the best possible way. What a journey. Can’t wait to see whatever you found for the Christmas special this year! It’s like a CZcams Stocking stuffer!
I found BMW forums are grest too, some are able to code stuff remotely. By using the BMW version of tech2win
Saabs were the Teslas of their day: Misunderstood, penalized by insurance companies (that voodoo word "turbo"), amazing engineering (pre-GM), owned by equally quirky people, etc!
@@helmutkrahn9337 The Saabs of yester year where quirky but built like tanks and could outlast most all brands if maintained. Plus, they were way ahead with vehicular safety. It is a shame it could not survive as it was. GM of course ruined the brand and now we have the brand owned and run by the Chinese. Talk about ruining a brand-----that is textbook how to do it.
So much great information here, nice to see the owner post along with us. Ivan is a rare find these days, he’s worth every dollar!
Wow, I'm proud of myself, I wondered if the case should be grounded in the first video. Lots of them are grounded through the case. I'm learning from Ivan as I watch his videos....😁
Quirkiness of some brands does why some places specialize in just 1 brand. You going to become popular on the Saab's community. Great job by the way
Ivan, you have a great attitude. No matter the weather you do not hesitate to wip out your tools and drop to the wet cold ground if necessary. I hope someday you can have a warm/cool dry workshop to work in. Not sure how it would make you better but I would not shiver so much in my warm home watching you outside in the weather. Stay safe and keep up the great work.
I should've left a comment on the last video, I could've saved you a few of the tech2/tis headaches lol.
A bit ashamed of myself for not noticing the missing ECM ground either :P
Great work keeping these on the road!
While the video is only about 40 minutes long, it must have taken hours to research all that information. You are a better man than I. Enjoy the holidays.
Yup but next Saab will be a breeze 😎
Not too many people would tackle this anymore. You are doin this customer a great service. AWESOME.
I appreciate your humility as well as your honesty. Ivan it is so refreshing the thought process that goes into all your work. No wonder you have so many followers enjoying your craft.....Pete
Wow, when it comes to this, you're a much better man than me Ivan! If I never have to work on a Saab again, it'll be too soon. :-)
Great job following through Ivan. You will be the hero to Saab owners everywhere.
Merry Xmas to you and your family! Thanks again!
Awesome diagnostic and fix. The old version of JAVA would stop a lot of people. Always a great learning video for me.
Holy crap! That really makes me value my 04 Hyundai Tiburon, which will accept any ECU from an 03 to 08 Tiburon with 0 hoops to jump through. they're literally plug and play, no programming or immobilizer nonsense needed. The immobilizer is _just_ in the BCM, and is only activated when the alarm is active, at least in the USDM market.
i was wondering about the ground in part 1. good job as always. this is one of your best videos
I too wondered the same thing as just because there is a ground going to the chips does not make a chassis communication. In reading Chrysler manuals on my truck the first thing in repairs is check all ground straps.
I have a clone Tech2 with the Candi module and I'm having the same problem with obtaining security access. I have an old laptop that has Windows XP but I have been unable to get TIS2000 to give security access. The next thing I'm going to try is to download the Global TIS. I have a 2006 9-3 2.0t which is why I'm working on this project, but there are other Saab owners in the area so I'm hoping I can provide programming services to them, for a fee of course. My quest continues. Thanks for the video, you've given me a direction and a glimmer of hope!
All the hoop jumping was certainly worth it Ivan. One little thing I would advise to all owners of cars 20+ years old, if your good at soldering, and have an ECU that can be taken apart, then think about going in and changing out the electrolytic capacitors inside. They can start to leak when they get old, and the electrolyte can start to cause havoc with the pcb, eating through traces and destroying surface mount components. They can be like little ticking time bombs inside your ECU. 20+ years of repeated hot/cold heat cycles under the bonnet of the car can be pretty tough on them.
That is good advice. Only problem is if one isn't experienced and very proficient at soldering, they can do a lot more damage than good. This isn't a good place to learn.
Twenty years normal capacitors should be fine, but tantalum ones go bad in ten years!
@Pekka Ylonen. How can you tell a tantalum cap?
I had a friend with a very old Mercedes his ECU was going bad and could not find a replacement. He found one for a year newer version of is car for 5k . It would run but not well. While having lunch with my father it was mentioned I could look at it for him. He brought it by the office I took it apart replaced one 10 dollar transistor then re sealed the board up. It fixed his original ECU. He was so happy he brought lunch to the office for me every day for several months.
@@ScottDLR I agree, that is why I mentioned you would need to be good with soldering, certainly not the place to be practising. I should have also mentioned that you would need to fit good quality capacitors, not some cheap ones from eBay.
Ivan, I am impressed. Have done similar things with other equipment. Prepare for the deluge of Saab owners!
Ivan makes me think of Brains in the series ' The Thunderbirds'. I enjoyed very much watching this one since we had a lot of Saabs when I was young.
What an operation! My hat is off to you for making it thru that convoluted process and keeping track of where you were and what to do! My hat's also off to the folks who reverse-engineered the software to make it possible. What a task!
Thanks Ivan! You have the look of a very happy man! And YES! A BIG shout-out to ALL the online communities for all the help they provide, most just ask for a donation which I'm more than eager to oblige. They've helped me figure out so much out over the years and we are forever grateful! Nice work! BTW, Happy Holidays to you and your family, all your members and the online info guru's!
That's the great thing about internet, if you have a problem someone else has solved and reported ways to fix it. Just takes time if you want to learn and DIY.
one of the many reasons i'm not against piracy is stuff similar to this. when anything digital is shut down or is deemed obsolete, it's lost forever. it was really cool that the software i would've thought is server sided worked offline. glad these files and programs are available and hopefully people keep em stored on a hard drive cause someone could need it down the road.
Quite the rabbit hole you entered here Ivan and came out alive!! Well done.
Ivan. I agree with the other commenters: This IS your best video - by far. And, YES, my brain is fried. :-) I stayed with you for the totality of your fix. My 83 year old brain followed your procedures, but I don't think I could have done what you did. Be that as it may (what the hell does that mean? ha, ha).
It was a marvelous video, Ivan. The look of satisfaction on your face when the car actually "started" was telling. I was so proud of you for your tenacity and innate abilities to overcome all of the obstacles to get the damn car to start. Again, YOU are "the man." That's why we, out here in Internet Land, love you. Many thanks for taking us along on, what we all feel is your best video and application of your marvelous brain. Thanks, my friend.
Michael thank you for the kind words, I appreciate your support and Merry Christmas! 🙂
any automotive technician without STRONG computer skills is out of the game these days
That feeling you get after jumping through all the hoops (Priceless) , knowledge is power. Just a little advise as to how I do my setups , I have a gaming laptop so if can handle all kinds of setups. What I do is create virtual machines inside of windows and once configured properly I use individual virtual machines for different OEM setups . Like that I never have to go through all the Java difficulties because having different softwares creates driver conflicts.. Every virtual machine is setup for every manufacturer or software, it saves alot of times and keeps all the settings intact.
This is what I do to deal with old industrial software. Stuff that doesn't even run on Windows XP but is still in use today. Locked up it its little box with no internet access or concept that time has past, I can run old crusty software on modern hardware.
@@paulmoir4452 LOL, the way you worded it makes me humanise the old software you "fooled". Like the way adults tell children untrue things just to make them happy.
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 And we all lived happily ever after without our software licenses expiring.. lol
@@Autokey_Security_Services You're piling it on! 😂😂😂😂
Kudos to your research and patients in solving the problem plus you now are one of the elite who knows how to work on saab systems... mine is starting g to do this but found pushing the car and getting even 1 cycle out the engine doesn't have to even start .. the key will start it ... I initially suspected the abs sensors first but you vid was well worth watching and thanks for posting it Ivan
Wow! You outdid yourself on this one! Whatever you were paid for the job, it wasn't enough!
🎉🎉🎉 what an awesome video part 2. Thank you so much. You are one of it's kind. Here in Germany a few people and mechsnics couldn't find the right issue. You did. And it's a pleasure to watch you working. 🙌🏻
Ivan, you're the men,it takes a skilled computertech to be able to go through all this steps without burning that damn car.
You have my huge respect for your work 👏👍👌
The hawk at the end ,clearly a message from the Saab God's.
Dang Ivan, you even said on the first video, that you needed to check powers and grounds…Understand why you didn’t but I guess what this video shows is that you should always follow your diagnostic path. Great job!! Keep those videos coming
I just finished watching part 1 of the video and I did mentioned in the comments on the grounding the engine computer. I'm glad you noticed it Ivan!!!
True master at electrical diagnosis and programming of all cars!! Whatever you’re charging you should be getting paid more!!
Man everyone needs too give Ivan a thumbs up I know this took some time. 😃
Hey Chad! Good to hear from you! Have you used the Pressure Transducer recently? 🙂
Your brain is a national treasure for anyone who tries to drive or maintain post-1995 cars with any form of electronic control system. Thanks, Ivan!
Saab owner from Iceland. Very well articulated video a big help for us Saabers, my hat off to you :D
Thank god for smart people online that can fix/modify the software to make it work.
Moral of story is: know a genius to work on your Saab, otherwise sell for scrap. Well done Ivan.
Wow good thing these is a forum or group to keep these going especially the ability to get into the computer
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Great series. I have a few friends who love Saabs. Unfortunately, the cars did not love them back and they eventually gave up and sold them.
My friend Al got burned by SAAB and Subaru.
If you maintain them properly from new they are very good motors, like anything else they will need spare parts every now and again, my mate has been running a sixteen+ year old Aero from new (and going to keep it) says it is the best motor he’s ever had in terms of comfort and ease of driving. the only expensive thing that happened was the original nav and phone system becoming obsolete and needing to be replaced with modern devices, ( got to expect it with present speed of tech ). I was in it the other day, still a very good practical car.
This is probably a better car for UK, because they were very popular, and a lot of mechs understand them.
@@CrimeVid My friend's issues were electrical. The engines and transmissions were never an issue because, as you said, if you maintain them properly, they are good engines.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING ! ! !
Ivan, you are one of a kind!
When you said "Hours" of online time, I can only imagine!
The computer case being the ground was something different.
I'm keeping the video......just because.
Thankyou for the ride through this video!
I have been in black holes like this before. Your perseverance is commendable. Thanks for sharing.
Google is definitely your friend. So many digital hoops to have overcome. The more popular you get, the taller the challenges. And this Saab experience is no exception. Truly amazing work Ivan. 👍
NOBODY else on the planet would have done all of this research and work to fix a customers car.. your one in 5 million Ivan!!
IVAN!! Everything is a challenge to you, isn't it. I don't know anyone who would go through all of this as a technician attempting to run a business.
By your own admission you spent "hours" figuring out just how to get into the ECM. Did you charge your hourly rate for all those hours?
Said it before and will repeat it again.........you are amazing!
154000 miles on a Saab. I think that exceeds the life expectancy of that vehicle. These Saabs are NOT your grandfather's Saabs.
1 hour plus "subscription" fee for programming. Will easily make up for the time invested on the next Saab...actually worked on 3 Saabs just in the past month :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ты стал героем для того парня!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Well, ok. I didn't know there were that many Saabs out there with owners that will take their car to a independent technician.
I still think you shorted yourself once again. I would think from a business perspective you charge the customer the actual time spent diagnosing and repairing not giving them a huge hourly break because you learned something in the process. By no means am I advocating for overcharging a client in any way however charging for actual time is a very sound business model.
Hi Ivan! Doesn't it feel good to get something working! Cars are getting so close to the IT world I live in, it's scary. But I can 100% relate to your world and this video.
Ah... I could see that feeling when you turned the key and it started after all that rigamarole. Accomplishment and relief. Nice work.
Ivan, you are the man! I absolutely love your work and have a huge appreciation for your talents and tenacity. As someone also fluent in computers and auto electronics and the owner of a 2003 GM product, you bet I'll be following these steps to have this tool at the ready. Thank you for your work!
Very interesting case study Ivan. Lesson learned on the ground. Thanks!
Wow and wildlife pictures as well.Excellent work Ivan,thankyou for all your efforts
As a viewer who loves your channel, I'm definitely NOT a mechanic or an electronics tech like you, Ivan. While I enjoy watching your videos, and feel a small fraction of the exhilaration you express when the car is repaired, what I enjoy most is the scientific method and experimentation you use to diagnose. As an ol' grizzled science teacher and long ago avionics tech in the USAF, I respect and admire your ability.
That's crazy how that works and an awesome video. Before my first stroke I used to wright and build custom OS's for Android, namely Samsung phones and tablets. It's crazy what you can do with a lot of know how and some imagination. After my second stroke I had to quit building custom Android OS. You have to have all your brain or you can brick a phone or tablet quickly. I started my CZcams channel based on this (and anything else tech). Loved the video.
Oh, and XDA is a huge community of developers and a great place to learn. That's where i have my custom ROM link and page at.
Ian I wouldn’t know were to start. I’m not a computer wiz like you. Great job love your videos and work.
Used to own Saab back in the 80s. I gave up on the brand due to heat related problems. When it was 105+ outside, odd electrical stuff happened including no crank. Lovely car in cooler climates though😁. I would have noped right out of this one as soon as I heard "Saab".
probably have overheat protection 😂
Pretty awesome Ivan! Merry Christmas!!!
Ivan, first off, WOW dude. I'm an electronics engineer and have had to emulate mix and match software like this in my past before, so I totally get it of what you had to do.... right down to the correct version of Java...
I am going to suggest that you make sure that you save all and every software file that you have downloaded to a USB or SS Drive. I guarantee you that one day in the future, you will need these files again, broken laptop, something and will appreciate having everything in one file folder. It will be a good idea to write yourself a step by step as well because 6 months or 2 years from now, you'll be fuzzy remembering all of this.
More power to ya bro.
Yup files are saved, and I can use my own video for step by step reference 😅
A Christmas miracle indeed... 😅
Merry Christmas, Ivan! Thanks for all the videos
What an involved procedure! About halfway through I was ready (if the car was mine) to find a cliff to push it over. I must say what a knowledgeable person you are and what great support you have through the Saab group. I have always liked Saab and would have bought one some years ago if I could have. Great stuff.
That was pretty cool Ivan and interesting and a headache I think we need to go back to throttle body and carburetors without the computer fuel spark and Air all you need for a motor to run
Thank you for this video! I’ve had my eyes on the emulators for some time, but was afraid of pay much money for some thing I couldn’t pull off. This knowledge will help me a lot!
Great video. Thank you for showing the hurdles and work arounds.
Another great fix Ivan! I'd have given it up. You're the master. Really mind bending.
Ivan is a great tech who takes us along for the ride. But what I like most about him is his COURAGE. I saw this too on that multiple video AMG repair.
The hoops he had to go through to program this ECM remind me of XDA Developers, a website where I learned how to root and flash custom Android operating systems on my old LG G3 and V20 smartphones. There are so many giants on whose shoulders we stand.
Who wouldn't be flying like an eagle after REAL WORK like that!
Greatly appreciate being able to look over your shoulder - so much to learn.
Very best wishes to you, Ivan, for xmas and next year.
Did everyone follow that! I can’t believe how difficult that was to fix. 3 computers, several pieces of software, patches and old versions of them not to mention your skill and patience 😮. How many cars like this end up in the junkyard because nobody knows how to fix them or has the money to? And it’s only going to get worse as the years go by
Great videos as usual! Your patience and tenacity really showed in this one. Without online help, solving issues like this one would be almost impossible for non dealer mechanics.
Really enjoy watching your diagnostic skills in play on all your videos! Cheers.
What the Hell. I will not buy Saab, once upon a time I really liked these cars, now I do not. Thanks Ivan. The MAN.
your dedication is at 100%
No too many people have the knowledge, skill or patience for a job like that.
Great job and thank you for the education on complex vehicles, happy holidays from Vancouver Canada
Ivan, that was an incredible job. My brain is fried for sure though. Wishing you a Merry Christmas. Thanks for Sharing!
Ivan, once again, got all the little magic fairies, that make a car function correctly, all happy once again. Genius level diagnostics...
I remember 3 wires to the ignition . Connect 2, touch the 3rd to start . You da man Ivan.
Saab story! You have the patients of a saint Ivan.
Absolutely mind bending. Saabs were trouble before and it has not improved with the newer models. Now they are completely gone. So we are all on our own. Good luck somebody has gone to all the trouble of figuring out the software. Holy crap what a task.
Ivan. Saved another SOB. great job ….bet wishes happy holidays
I can see how proud you are of your self ivan and so you should be young man.
Well done.
There is nothing you can't do ivan.
Happy days.
Have a great Christmas.
From the england.
I owned a Saab 93 twin turbo diesel 180 bhp estate (station wagon) for 125,000 miles and loved it. It looked the part & was quick, quiet, comfortable & did 42 miles/UK gallon (35 US). The only reason I didn't get another Saab was because they went bust. Glad to see some people are keeping these things rolling; nice one Ivan !!
Wow, what a cluster to navigate thru. This gets me concerned about my 2000 Express van want to keep it running indefinitely. Excellent job Ivan. 👍
Thanks iven I learn a lot from your channel,wishing merry Christmas and happy new year !
Simply fantastic. As a former computer & network infrastructure guy, I was impressed with how you were able to find the resources to get past the hurdles, and also grateful that the forums have such dedicated & capable folks who have solved & SHARED these software tools. May I recommend, when you back up/save everything, also save a copy of that Java Version 6, in case some security update comes along that would step on it. Now I hope some more cool Saabs can be saved. I would also not be surprised if some of these tools could be made to work with Saturn Skys and Astras, so maybe some of those owners will also call on you. And it might work if you had a laptop computer with a virtual machine manager like VMware Workstation Player, and then there could be separate virtual computers with a Tech II/ GlobalTIS environment, and maybe other crazy configurations, like Euro supercars or JDM models. That said, sometimes there can be hurdles getting things like serial ports to pass through seamlessly to virtual machines, so it doesn't always work on the 1st try. In any case, this Tech II and GlobalTIS setup is very powerful, and I hope it generates some business for you. Bravo.
Great job Ivan!
Hi Ivan happy Xmas to you and your family, you must have the patience of a saint, well done I found it both educational and interesting, having worked on various can bus systems, but even when working for manufacturers most techs are locked out of this stuff.
You are the man, Ivan. Well done. Jumping through all those hoops to get the tech 2 working, probably would have frustrated me enough to just give up.
Thanks Ivan,one of your best
Way to hang in there!
It's amazing the knowledge available on the internet!
Imagine not having it! Yes, I remember that time!
Excellent job, what patience
Fantastic Job Ivan.
Great troubleshooting Ivan, process of elimination is time consuming but rules out all the variables one at the time.
As always, job well done & satisfied customer.👍
Wow. Ivan, you are an impressive guy. I wish you lived closer to Texas!
Mostly today i am out of my depth, suspect steady stream of Saab owners on route to you. 👍👍👍