It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from London to Scotland.
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge. Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
Because society was less agitated by constant media noise. The people you're seeing grew up with 2 T.V. channels that started at 9am, and ended at 11pm. Media today is non-stop, constantly cultivating dullards, and louts, who bang on about diversity, and immigration, as if they understood the rudimentary elements of this world.
There was a follow up done by Rex Bloomenstein in 2003 and I would like to see another, but I guess it would be hard to get these people to go on camera again. Some would be dead by now I would assume.
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway. A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍. I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019. Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy! I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol (Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in. Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on CZcams from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
That ex army guy...if you believe that story youll believe anything. He clearly never learned anything in the army, was completely reckless and undisciplined with a gun. "I didn't realise the gun was pointed at him" pprrfff
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on CZcams in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed. He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
1750 Lifers in 1980, Forwards to today The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Fact file reveals. There are 8,554 people in prison in the UK serving a life sentence-more than France, Germany and Italy combined.11 Dec 2018. It IS Doubling every decade! No wonder its in such a state in 2024!
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
It's so very CZcams that these comments are full of people nostalgicising for a fantasy golden era with a better class of criminal. Have a look at yourselves.
I think you’re the one that needs a reality check. This prison would be half full of imported terrorists now. Sorry to break it to you, the country is NOT in a better place.
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard. Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28. Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
The fact that these criminals can talk and explain themselves really well compared to some of the knobs in prison today.
Illiterate, spice fuelled meat heads today true.
Yeah times are a changing for sure, and for the worst in this respect unfortunately.
@cross hatch2 True that!
F**k! Hope that fella is out and about today walking the str8. Army gave him discipline.
I know, now they are illiterate mongs that need sterilizing
Good to see and hear how the English spoke and thought back in the day. Brilliant documentary, thanks for sharing 🙏
It’s amazing because in my country under yours French is going downhill at an amazing speed too ! Young adults have lost so much vocabulary it’s insane !
For anyone wondering what happened to the first guy, his appeal eventually made it to the House of Lords (which acted as the Supreme Court at the time) in 1985, where it was accepted i.e. his sentence was overturned. The case is called R v Moloney and it's an important case in the development of the law surrounding murder which all British law students learn about
Incredible how calm he was. I wonder how long he served for manslaughter and what happened to him when he was released.
Bang to rights
@@1stBowman he was trained to kill remember
One of the reasons I'm watching this is to listen to Moloney speak and talk about his stepfather. I'd heard my father talk about it. Indeed, shocking. Oblique intent!
@@Saxonybedwitch you have only HIS word for that....we weren't there
excellent doco. got depth to it...and no pathetic background music attempting to tell you how to feel.
As a musician I agree with this sentiment entirely - nothing more irritating than unwelcome music
@@Ken_oh545👆This
The standard of sociological documentary and investigative film back up until the 1990s was just much better.
@@robertbryan4640 I’m watching ‘em lately. Great to listen to as I potter around my flat 👍🏻
@KinEllKokabel there was a series called 'man alive' on BBC. Have a look at them.
imagine them interviewing people in UK prisons today for a documentary lol! ''Ya get me bruv!! I bare wetted him up. In here now fam. Ya get me?? Jail tings, fam....''
Innit like you know wot I mean
They don't make convicted criminals like they used to mate, we'll miss them now they're gone
Trust bruv what u sayin? mumzies good yh? Anuwaus wahalli send the ps to mans baby mum ting a dat for some baccy and ting g
@@Man_Raised_By_Puffinsconvicted murderers 😂
brap brap blud
Great to see old school documentaries like this 👌
💯 %
You can say that again, pecker head!
As soon as "Linda" the gay murderer appeared i remembered i've seen this documentary sometime in the late 1980's or possibly early 90s. Most Documentarys back then were really good, i guess you could say it was the decade of the Docs!.
11:23
"What have you done about your alcoholism now you're inside?"
"Well, I've stopped drinking."
Hahahaga, classic!!
Hooch is a big problem in jails, especially for the violent drinkers who kick off in there on it!
Look how well and well spoken young people were. Now go and watch Michael palins ‘confessions of a railway spotter’ filmed in the same year. Look at how beautiful and stunning the uk looked both in London and the north whilst he made his way from
London to Scotland.
And now look at the state!!
in 1980 you would listen to people on TV programmes 10 or 20 years previously and think they were more polite and better spoken!
@@IngramCars They were, standard have slowly dropped, not sure when it started but there are documentaries of highland crofters and people in slums etc that are well spoken, working class accent but quite good at communicating their thoughts.
And then watch the TV comedy show Porridge.
Good times to be growing up in England compared to today after the immigrant invasions of the last 40 years.
When the UK was a very different place
Diversity is terrible.
It was in the process of changing. Unions being destroyed plus mass immigration - many of them unskilled. England lost its identity and is now one of the wokest, craziest, places in the English speaking world. Imagine telling these blokes that biological men would hold records in women's sports and that you could go to gaol for intentionally misgendering someone. Sad.
@@derp8575and you're a russian troll
Why would it be the same? This was literally last century
Diversity is our strength 😂😂😂
Stay sober and don't fuck around with shotguns.
Or at least don't do them at the same time. lol
Avoid. Ireland. As. We'll.
It's so weird how peoples accents change over the years. The voices seem softer, yet more mature. Maybe they just interviewed the best talkers?
Kids these days put on that daft rap/grime gibberish innit.
@@kitharrison8799 Also need to add several 'Likes' in every sentence as well.
@@kitharrison8799was the good days of England a time where I would have been proud to call this my home now I dread it. Immigration and adding culture diversity has destroyed England for good. The next generations our gonna be even more fucked!
Nope. This todays generation really is that diffrent!.
The first story is a great example of having a positive mental attitude. Four years in the army can instill discipline.
That's right. As an aside, the lad got out in 1985 as the murder charge was reduced to manslaughter.
A lot of people get life for bumping off troublesome family members - makes me feel a bit better about having no contact with mine.
Your not alone l lived on a farm my dad was a horrible man with drink in him l wanting to plenty of times l had a shotgun when l was 11 many years later l talked him out of killing himself when my mam left him l got no thanks for it why l rescue dogs never been married lm happy doing my own thing
@@StuartWhelan-up8vsbless you Stuart. I wish you all the best.
Land and property. Wills. Cause. Murders.
No TV's or play stations back in them days, a radio, piss pot and a few scud mags.
Scud mags 😂😂 Tremendous 80’s dialect!
Scud mags 😂
Skin flicks.
Jizz mags.😂
never heard that term scud? wank mags over here!
Scud mags 😂😂😂 Jesus I haven't heard that for years dude. Just spat my beer out 😂😂
@@m75s87I had same reaction mate
Why do prisons back then seem almost safer and more cultured than British streets today? 🤔
diversity
Because they were.
Too many lenient Judges and do gooders who let thi garbage out onto the street .
Immigration
Because society was less agitated by constant media noise. The people you're seeing grew up with 2 T.V. channels that started at 9am, and ended at 11pm. Media today is non-stop, constantly cultivating dullards, and louts, who bang on about diversity, and immigration, as if they understood the rudimentary elements of this world.
Wow iam amazed how eloquent these people are
Shows how the English language has been butchered by outside influence. England was better 20+ years ago.
Why ? All the British, born before 1990 speak this way. Societal Intelligence..
As of 2024 I’d like to see a update video of these mam and their life.
There was a follow up done by Rex Bloomenstein in 2003 and I would like to see another, but I guess it would be hard to get these people to go on camera again. Some would be dead by now I would assume.
"So I went upstairs and grabbed a couple of shotguns".......like you do!
What could possibly go wrong??
@@edforbes1563 When you're drunk? Nothing!!
Said it for years the amount of people doing time being drunk/drugged is phenomenal.
The searing honesty is incredible .
I know. For me it's the brevity in the way they talk, they just get straight to the point, no messing about.
they got chocolates / cigarettes for their interviews - never trust the television
@@truetothegame2928 who cares
you wouldnt get that with the shits of today.
@@paulmcdonough1093 you do because you replied 😝
The amount of people in for committing their crimes while drunk is scary
More in for what they smoke trust me .
Alcohol is deadly
Yeah mate drink and these days especially drugs, they cause so many one off offences that can ruin lives too often.
Don't hang out with drunks. It's a nightmare existence. I know, because I was there, once upon a time!!
@@BullyBoxer yes in todays age mate, not back then so much.
The guy there calling Alistair is a relative of mine,it happened many years ago and I was very young. Almost all of the family stories I've heard of it is,,, his dad was very tough on him(a prick of a man by the sound of it) and when Alistair came home from the army his dad continued to bring him down, and from what I've been told by certain family members that the only trueth in his story he told about what happened that night is,,yeah they both went out with shotguns. But his evil old step dad used the competition to get him out, but then started to belittle him and called him a coward and something along the line of,,, even the army couldn't make a killer of a cowardly idiot like you! and then pointed his shotgun at him, threatening to shoot him in the knees Alistair got scared and angry then retaliated, and as you heard in his own words "accidentally"🙄 shot him in the side of the head.
Thank you for sharing this with us mate. I hope Alistair is well? What did he do with his life when he got out? All the best.
@@kebabtank I'm not really sure what he's doing now, and after my dad died (the side of the family he is from) I don't see much of them much and there is a few crazy relative's on my dad's side lol but I haven't ever met him in person only seen him in this and an old family photo years ago but I'll always remember that story in the family and that is all I can honestly tell you, thanks for sharing this, it was a cousin of mine who told me about this video being on here 👍
Thanks for the info he was a lovely young lad in this film smart too i really hope he got his life back on track you can tell that lad is not a bad person .
Someone in the comments further down said that he won his appeal and was released in 1985.
Thank you for letting us know what happened for him to be where he is. So sad that his evil dad did this to him. He seems such a good person, I really hope he made something of his life when he got out. Sending some love to him from a wee Scottish lassie. 💕Glasgow 🏴
Ah - the bomber jacket - the hoodie of the 80s 😂
Sta-Press, waffle cardigans, Ben Shermans, DM's, solo belts & M15 jacket.
I've been in prison with many lifers,and most of them have told me the biggest punishment is the one they put on themselves, living with the fact that you have taken someone's life many told me is harder than doing the life sentence itself. I told them, tell that to the relatives of that deceased person!!!
Exactly James.
Of course you did james ofc you did!.
A phenomenal documentary. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
A very cold character the first guy. But an army man who didn’t know he was pointing a gun at someone? Not so sure about that.
Couldn't work it out myself probs a drunken arguement possibly we will never no :(
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
In fairness, these guys were a product of the WW2 generation. I think they were more blind about things. More matter of fact. It was a survival strategy used by their parents or themselves. But I still think an army man k own where a gun is pointing though.
@@kc8181 for sure i was brought up by my grandparents grandad was in dday at sword beach landing they where very strict on me i personally found them days a lot better then today
He won his appeal, got out in 85 .
Just come from the 1972 Women in prison. Man alive series. Filmed in Holloway.
A woman in the comments section mentioned this documentary so great that I've found it. 👍.
I'm almost 37, first went prison in 2004, last 2019.
Prison was different (lots of changes) throughout those years, so to see prison in the 70's and 80's is crazy!
I love how they spoke back then! And it doesn't seem full of wannabe badboys and chavvy girls. Lol
(Not judging as met some brilliant girls throughout the years, but there's always a few gobby cows who's bark is bigger than their bite) .
Glad you enjoy these few other good prison docs on the channel 😀
Gobby Cows 😂 haven't heard that one 😂😂😂
@@CharlieEdward25any first or 2nd names to the lifers in this film ?
I'm glad you kept out since 2019! Keep it up. Had a close call a few times,especially, thankfully, never been in.
Thought of doing any time with the dinlos you see about these days fills me with dread more so than the sentence! Good docu, there a few good ones on CZcams from 70s & 80s. Good film about runaways in London called Johnny Come Home.
I had a good time in the Scrubs in the hot summer of 1976. Plenty of books, exercise every morning and evening, a cell of my own, plenty of food, cats running everywhere.
And the architecture is some of the finest Victoriana I've seen.
@cross hatch2 Blue plastic spoons. big mugs of tea and a cake each evening after lock-up. Bliss!
The pottery I'm not so sure.
I was there in 85 and there were 3 of us to a cell. I'd only give it 2 stars.
@@rexterrocks I was awaiting a psychiatric decision and was in hospital with Ian Brady and Graham Young, poisoner. Saw John Stonehouse MP when he arrived. 300 young prisoners shouting out from B wing 'Do your bird Stonehouse, you cunt.'
Different criminals back then unlike today
Todays generation aint got a patch on ours! They dont even come close
Great documentary, very informative. People were a lot more articulate in the past, don’t know if it’s because of the education system or today’s social environment.
The first man is unbelievable.
why? wtf is wrong with you?
A very dangerous and mentally unstable individual.
Certainly not responsible enough to own a gun.
amazing vintage uk doc
Rubber dolls for prisoners 😂 . We must start a campaign for rubber dolls .
His ass is getting pummeled
More like dildos
“Million pound and helicopter”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌 classic
Fuck it, just give us a bottle of pernod!
I pissed myself at that too.
Amazing that the prisoners serving a life sentence back then speak more clearly and have more dignity than most people nowadays.
The punishment is losing their liberty that doesn’t mean treat them like animals. Treat people like animals they’ll act like animals.
this is rare...from the 80s bloody hell verry rare..
That ex army guy...if you believe that story youll believe anything. He clearly never learned anything in the army, was completely reckless and undisciplined with a gun. "I didn't realise the gun was pointed at him" pprrfff
He said he could not remember a thing due to being so drunk, yet he explained everything what happened. Thats why he was found guilty of murder, he could not use being intoxicated, as a defence for manslaughter.
You can't anyway. Intoxication is no defence in British law.
he said was going with what evidence says
Why are you looking to catch him out?! Who set YOU up to be his judge?! You're not fit for that purpose..................
Lol
@@nickpn23 Actually it can be used as a way of removing intent from certain crimes.
Just watching this and it’s excellent. Would love to know what became of some the inmates.
One of the best
@@virusoaxzy9727 That great time hear. Just goes to show how people can make a success of their lives despite things not always going to plan.
Amazing footage with the fella who was with Bob maudsley.. mad to see that..thanks
Never at 13 minutes was that Bob Maudsley? I feel bad for that guy a bit.
The guys name is David Cheeseman.
@@paulwoods3161do you know what happened to him? Cheers
@@paulwoods3161 Cheers. I was wondering if he’s still alive.
Cheeseman raped a 16 year old girl.
“I’ll have a pair of breast before I get out” ........you’ll have a sore arse first mate!!! 😂😂😂
Getting old is a TRIP
I wonder what happened to all these lifers. How many of them would still be inside today, 40 years on.
Alright mate. There was a follow up to this programme broadcast in 2003 and half were out, half were still in and some were on the run! The young lad at the beginning, the ex-soldier, got out in 1985 on appeal and the man with the drop moustache @ 21:45 is a man called Trevor Kane. He was an ex-squaddie and French Foreign Legionaire (an amazing life story) and he died a few years ago in either Newcastle or Ashton undey lyme. And btw, if any of the others are still in, I'd be amazed. They are either elderly or dead, apart from the young lad, he'd be in his sixties now. All the best.
@@kebabtankthank you for the update.
@kebabtank Where can we find the 2003 follow up?
@@A_M_P_ Some of it is on CZcams in bits and pieces from other docs by Rex Bloomstein and cobbled together. Just put 'Uk prison 1982' into your search bar and go from there. I clearly remember the follow up and recorded it on video at the time. Unfortunately, I have no means or the inclination to spend the money to put it on the tube. Best wishes.
@kebabtank Thank you. I found one follow up video so far. I'm an American so I don't know much at all about UK prisons. This was definitely an eye-opener. What shocks me the most, however, is how eloquent those prisoners were lol
Would much rather be in prison in the 80’s that the 2020’s !!
I was lucky to be, than now
I watched a video today about a 20 plus yr old who cot 110 years because his truck breaks failed.
He could have been delivering medical supplies on a regular basis
30:40 theres a fine line between genius and insanity and this fella is walking right along it.
"I picked up a hammer that was lying on the side" - he's lucky I can never find a hammer when I need one
@@MrGoneTroppo have you looked in the toolbox?
I’m assuming he never got out. Fascinating listen.
Also, imagine how mental the blokes are he chooses to avoid 🤣
1750 Lifers in 1980, Forwards to today The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Fact file reveals. There are 8,554 people in prison in the UK serving a life sentence-more than France, Germany and Italy combined.11 Dec 2018. It IS Doubling every decade! No wonder its in such a state in 2024!
That guy Dennis who killed his mother - why on earth should that guy decide his own fate? His poor mother that he murdered likely begged for her life but he didn’t listen so why should the prison system to him? He wants a quick easy way out because he’s got ‘nothing to look forward to’ rather than serving his life sentence well tough it doesn’t work like that. If someone murdered me or a loved one and then was caught, I’d be pretty pi**ed if the offender got to dictate their life thereafter as to what suited them best like choosing to just take a nice little pill to put them to sleep i.e escape their punishment!
Some of the comments here ridiculous talking about how well they speak who cares they murderers and should never come out
Jail today is 80 percent junkies 10 percent polish and 10 percent just normal guys getting there head down and getting on with it.
Madness how quite a of these people will still be in prison at this current moment.
this was the 80s now that is 42 years ago u only get 15 for a murder or a bit more none of them will be still in
They are doing 15 years
@@odorlesslebs8055 the very first kid had a life sentence
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 they explain in the video that a life sentence in the uk doesn't actually mean the person will stay locked up until they die, they can be released but it depends when. Most serve p about 10 years.
@@ptrekboxbreaks5198 He got out in 1985 after an appeal.
The guy talking at 40 mins plus deserves a whole life sentence
11.20
Hard getting off the booze when you have an alcoholic doctor.😁
It made rather a mess ... 😬
Many thanks for this, top man. If you have any more of this series or even the follow up in 2003. I' be very grateful. all the best.
I have it but you have to watch it with a american vpn enabled its called lifers as well sadly channel 4 blocked it in this country as it caused a lot of problems with the victims family
@@CharlieEdward25 many thanks for your videos . I am out of the UK and VPN enabled . Is the other video on your page ? As I can't see it . Kind regards
@@garypilling1968 other video ?
@@CharlieEdward25 sorry you mentioned above you had one of the follow up ones to lifers unless I misread it
@@garypilling1968 yeah i had the latest one its there on my channel but needs a vpn yeah usa i think works
The penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate. It's designed to break. No such thing as reform.
i was reformed 100%
@@eyefishinggunkchannel1011 You reformed you not the prison system
Certainly was true, I couldn't tell you about nowadays.
The Scandinavian prison systems would beg to differ.
That first lad is scary, the army created a souless monster
Note all the male interviewees had neatly rolled shirt sleeves with a white reverse showing. Shirts like that were a bit of a status thing in those days, with the alpha types picking them out of the stack on laundry day. It seemed to be a thing that professional villains did, as they had a real thing about neatness and cleanliness. They often grabbed a few white towels and laid them on the shelves and table in their cell like table clothes. It was a thing. Many if not most of the rest of the prisoners were indifferent to that pose or too shambolic to care. I reckon the cons in this video were given the best shirts for their appearances in front of the cameras.
Thanks for this insight I don’t feel so weird now for getting a little distracted with the first guys shirt thinking how nice the rolled up sleeves were considering where he was! 😅
@@moominmay I knew it would bother some people, so I thought I'd explain.
@@moominmayI think that’s the army tbh, looking at soldiers during the time they have their sleeves exactly the same
Joyce is talking herself in to more time here... "I've not changed"
Screws were brutal in the Scrubs in the 80s and early 90s.
Kevin Murphy all prisons back then was brutal
I would imagine when dealing with men as violent as these that brutal would be the best way to keep them in order
@@dragonfitter 2 wrongs don't make it right...Screws are trained only to use control and restraint techniques by home office approval, anything ie kicks,punches, beatings is a criminal act.
@@kevm4035 true but shame it doesn't work like that 😕
I'm assuming it's just like Scum
It's so very CZcams that these comments are full of people nostalgicising for a fantasy golden era with a better class of criminal. Have a look at yourselves.
I look fine.
Have a look at yourself.
I think you’re the one that needs a reality check.
This prison would be half full of imported terrorists now.
Sorry to break it to you, the country is NOT in a better place.
That kids story, and I do believe him, is the saddest thing I have ever heard.
Men aren't the same. A 'man' twice his age these days wouldn't be so willing to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. Not blame others. Not say things are wrong and they are being wronged. I feel so bad for him.
Pleading not guilty and claiming blackout drunk insomnia isn't taking responsibility for your actions. The state of these comments. Folk saying the murderers back then were better than now. A murderer is still a
Murderer, regardless of when in history.!
@@user-pv9kg9ou1l Well, I wrote what I wrote because I believed him. I didn't think his assertion that he was blackout drunk was a lie to get out of responsibility. I believe he was drunk; things went down just as he said, and now he owns that and is taking responsibility. It's a tragic waste all around - that's what gets me, I suppose.
The artist guy is fascinating to listen to. Inteligent and articulate, explaining his crime with no bullshit. Eye opener, scary really how one bad decision in a moment of anger could conceivably happen for anyone and lead to someone dying and another being locked up. Heat of the moment.
I'm watching this after just watching the documentary Broadmoor - Serial Killers & High Security, where the hostage/murder by Robert Maudsley was a subject. What a coincidence that his co-conspirator David Cheeseman is starring in this docu talking about the incident 41:28.
Great docu, thanks for sharing. Cheers from the Netherlands
Here's a canny channel about serial killers its a bit different thats for sure
(LOLFIELDANDLOVE)
The Satanic conspiracy
I like the segment from 15:05 to 17:13.
It is refreshing to hear someone talk in this way.
I knew Trevor Kane intervied in this video 22:11 he died in a subway in Ashton Under Lyne. Freedom is very important, to go out for a walk, stand at a bus stop waiting in the rain for a bus. Things these men could only dream of doing for years and years.
Thank you for sharing sad to hear that 😢
Hello there, many thanks for sharing this sad news. I remember there was an article in the Times in 2003 about Trevor, shortly before the follow up to the first Lifer series was broadcast. And for me, Trevors' story was the most interesting of the lot. I was fascinated with his military and subsequent criminal background, and although he seemed very troubled in the follow up series (I believe he was in his sixties by then) he appeared to be living quite comfortably. He served a very long sentence and had a very chaotic life as a younger man, but it was so sad to see him weeping when he talked about the murder he committed later in life. Could I ask you, when did Trevor die? How old was he? And what were the circumstances? All the best.
@@kebabtank czcams.com/video/8yNevA1L8F0/video.html
@@Sameoldfitup Many thanks.
"So how long you been doing a life sentence " . Reply " o week last Friday now "!!! Jesus
Sending the guy to the counter for some stamps was actually a rather clever test of honesty
The prisons seemed more civilised
Lifer (1983) Rex Bloomstein / Thames Television
1st class stamps were cheap back then, I couldn't believe it recently when I bought a book of ten I think it was over £10. More than a pound to send a simple letter and I think they're going up again soon.
Try getting a letter from one city to any other for a pound
Bet you cannot do it
Am on a life sentence not for murder but to protect the public. My minimum tarrif was 7 years only got out 11 months ago now
Just actually read this how's it going bud must be mad coming out after that long hope u keeping well bro
What happened? I mean if u were protectin other ppl how u get so much time
Take me back to t5he 80s anyday as once the 2000s hit everything went to the s hit house. ( world wide that is.
My dad (While taking me to meet his new girlfriend) told me she'd murdered her husband, but was ok. Glad i didn't meet them again..
More civilised than most of today's societies.
Yes. I think people were a bit stronger. I think stoic is the word.
I wonder what happened to these guys. I was nineteen in 82.
I was 15. Wish I was back there now.
If all screws were like this guy talking with the inmate prisons would run more smoother there is good screws you know give respect to them
We all know you was the screws favourite con . You was definitely the screws teaboy
I'd love to see an update on the people in this.
@boxing fan uk yeah it's here on my channel I'm sure
Pretty sure I’ve seen it it takes you to the 90s and most of these guys are in hospitals and don’t look nothing like they did
@@Dannydawson537 Yeah, there was an update that was broadcast in 2003, they looked at four who had been released and four who were still inside. And you're right, they all looked nothing like they used to. Prison left it's mark alright.
@@kebabtank hi and the difference in the lads was sad just pumped with medication I was in strange ways late 89s and was a very hard place for a 16 year old
@@Dannydawson537 Alright mate. Sorry to hear about your stay inside, I just hope that you stayed out and made something of your life.
The bloke talking at 40:00 plus is not mad. He is articulate, aware and can understand everything he has done.
Pretty sure the guy he calls bob that helped him is robert maudsley known as Hannibal the cannibal
@@quack437 I read your comment yesterday and today in our local paper there was a full article about Maudsley. You are right btw.
@@SimDeck i was thinking that cus the case sounds similar wee fact although hes called a cannibal he never ate anyone
I agree, are you confused ? ; that is why he is a psychopath. The point is that these people are bad, not mad, i.e. they are malign, evil etc. Please note that we are hearing his version of events which is not contested, and, surprise, surprise, he presents himself as either not psychologically present at the events (though no mention of drugs etc), or as some kind of victim of circumstance.....No one has to beat someone's brains out with a hammer...if he was being exploited by someone, walk out of the front door......People are in Broadmoor because they are untreatable and fucking dangerous !!!!
He's a nonce, called David Cheeseman
The siege guy, I want a million pounds and a helicopter, police :: No, Guy, ok a bottle of Pernod then 🤣🤣
So funny
At 21:37 the inmate with a budgie in his cell, theres something about it that strikes me as so sadly poetic about that. A prison within a prison. Two inmates, one presumably guilty, the other innocent and the innocent one imprisoned as a reward for the guilty
He was wrongly convicted in a famous murder case ( he was doing time for that whilst this was being made ) and was released after 20 something years,..he was a career criminal.
That's why it's called doing bird.
You're locked in a cage like a bird.
That guy who dose art anyone have information about him
Just what I was going to ask. Interesting guy.
1:29:30 15p for a carrier bag in 82? Where was it, Harrods?
Yeah I thought that sounded wrong too, I thought they would have been free in those days.
They sounded all wrong to him as well @@mattgosling2657
Pretty sure the guy talking at 44 mins about the murder in Broadmoor is talking about robert mauldley who was referred to as bob ..
He is
did you record this yourself fab quality
BlytheWorld1972 it’s 1980 dumbass what did you expect?
@@jaycool5285 😂😂😂
@@jaycool5285 what are you talking about ya fuck .
26.00 Yes, give prisoners rubber dolls to prevent homosexuality haha! Isn't a rubber doll just a posh wank?
Wow!
So this guy was with Mordsley when they did the whole 'brain spoon' thing?
Different species doing life in London these days
Yep - roadmen
"Initi though bloodclart"
I was in the Scrubs in 1980. It was a hot summer that year, 3 to a cell, 23 hour bang-up.
Must have stunk of piss, shit & sweat 😮
He’s a VERY articulate young Man. Surely he would be better off in a High powered career.
Very clean prison welldone lads
19:02 Robert Maudsley next to the guy who's talking
Bloody hell. So it was. Well spotted.
Well spotted
The last man, well, he was smooth, clever in choosing his words and I think he was very honest. But he was also so eerie! There's something dark about him that I would not trust
Guy near beginning describing how he shot his father in detail, then says he doesn't remember a thing, that he had total amnesia.
I remember the steel tray's
So sad really how a persons life can be changed forever because of a serious wrong action.
What about their dead victims ? Their lives have also been changed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder when it said average time spent in prison for life is 10 years there is one man who been inside for 30 year, wonder if that was Bronson
jnicemint ahh okay 👍
Couldn't of been.
Charlie was sentenced in '74 this is in '82 he'd of only been inside for 8yrs when this was filmed. ✌️
Probably George Davis (NOT that George Davis) who murdered an officer by running over him in a jeep. I was with him in 1976 and he'd served something like 27 years by then.
@@nickpn23 Do you know if George Davis was ever released?
He only got 3 years or something for robbery and never came out..
Wonder where they are now
I'm sure that puff was in a book I read normal parker Parkhurst tails was a staunch man to say hes queer
End part ,the fella sounds like red at his parole meeting at end off shawshank film 🤔