World in Action: Banged Up (1979)
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- Originally broadcast on 2nd April 1979, this episode of World in Action documents the poor conditions and overcrowding in Manchester's Strangeways Prison.
The Prisoner Solidarity Network is a group of people committed to dismantling the criminal justice system and building a society based on collective care. Our members include people inside and outside of prisons. Some of us are ex-prisoners and some are children, partners, or friends of people inside. Many of us are survivors of interpersonal and state violence. Some of us come to this work through our values rather than direct experience of the prison system.
We want to build a society where conflicts can be resolved without resorting to imprisonment and punishment, where our relationships with each other are not shaped by capitalism and where we are not divided by race, class, or gender.
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These are the programmes we grew up watching…
Real journalism.
It's incredible to believe that ITV used to show serious documentaries. This went out at 8pm. It was stopped in 1998 when ITV bosses realised they could show a soap opera, quiz or reality show instead
World In Action - A Proper Documentary - unlike Love Island, Wife Swap, Big Brother, First Dates, etc.........
bloody hell you're observant aren't you?!
The others aren't documentary tho. But yeah they don't make TV like they used to.
I like First Dates. Agree with comment above though that these are more reality tv/entertainment rather than serious documentaries and I think most people recognise that. You can still find pretty good documentaries though they’re usually on Netflix or the like these days.
Is that all what ya missis makes you watch so you come on CZcams to see what prisons where like before and now before you strangle her to death 😂
AMEN 🙌🏻
The difference in prisoners and prisons these days after 40 years is unreal !
I went 3 times around year 2000 , I was good got everything, good environment , it’s gone bad now I have heard Al never go back
@@kingkong81icloud me too, 1997 and 2000 and prison was very similar to this. Apart from slop out.
So is our poor old land
08.28 "Civil prisoners who've been unable to pay debts". Unless it's some sort large fraud, sending people to prison for being poor is absolutely disgusting.
it's bloody medieval mate!
It was the norm in the 70s
stealing by fraud or by stealth is the same theft you goon.
@@888ssss You completely missed the point you fuck nugget.
Yes,they gave prison to people unpaid fines. 4 weeks jail. Do 2 weeks
That intro wow nostalgia
I was born in 77 but that theme tune is seared into my brain.
Powerful.
Goosebumps
You know it's serious when you hear that music..
Dont make 'em like this no more,proper production values,great writers and journalists.
I remember getting 6 weeks remand in 1976 and living these conditions i was so shocked by the regime that i never got in trouble again.
So it worked then
I only did 1 week remand in 1996 and the conditions were exactly the same as in this film. A real eye opener. I never got in trouble again either.
£100 a week for 70 hours. In 1979 I was taking home £27.50 a week for a 40 hour week
Doing what??? I was earning over £60 a week as a new entrant in an office in 1979. The average wage in October 1978 was £84 per week
I was in Hull prison in 1986,.slop out, no radio could have fm.. Then again in 2009 Doncaster, TV in the cell, kettle, xbox if you wanted washing done for you, .. Its the dream bedroom of any child..
So, prison is your 2nd home?
Started my prison service career at Manchester in the 70s, quite an experience and not one I’ll forget
@screaming skull Well someone has to keep the scum off the streets!
@screaming skull Don't hate.
Eh screaming skull....I'm an ex con (fully rehabilitated) & that attitude against an ex screw is outa order, he may have been one of the good ones! More respect in a shit world please....
@@ThePacko69 cheers- did 30 years, never assaulted, most have been doing something right- good that you got your life together
My dad was a prison officer there.He started in late 79.
I remember watching this. First time around.
Still as fucking bleak.
May 2024 and the introduction to this 1979 documentary applies to our prison service today.
I remember this program
All these prisoners saying it’s not fair that they’re locked up 23 hours a day. Well behave yourself then!
Civil prisoners?...
good thing they can spare 1hr to go home and take a rest....
@@AB-kx4nc yes those too! Pay your bills or maintenance orders! It’s never happened to me. Coincidence maybe?
@@johnmanning5568 locked up with nutters definitely not,locked up, ok
Good 👍 documentary
Any one still live from this programme
Excellent upload
Yep, just subbed 🤘
No divvies filming themselves rapping in there cells, these kids doing jail these days haven't got a clue
Filming on phones??? 1979?? What the fuck you on about!
@@kevinkellow2582 well if you read it properly am saying in the old days you didn't have people rapping on there phones, unlike now, and the kids these days haven't got a clue what jail is
I did read it properly. And saying the same thing again don’t make it any different. If they had phones they would of done. And maybe if the English jails back then knew what the fuck rap was they might of done. The little prison rap boys everyone see are cat-C prisoners. Easy jail. No phones in the cat-A’s where the real prisoners are.
@ku sure about that?evinkellow2582
Back when tv programmes were worth watching.
"RIGHT LADS SLOP OUT" never forget that shout
pity you did not remember 'stay out of trouble lad' from school....?
@@888ssss 🤣
@@888ssssIf only!!
The days when prisoners could string a sentence together.
Because prisoners back then were mainly english.
@@bosiexinit bruv😂
Agree must be a nightmare being in a cell with 3 other people all day. Burgling someones home & scaring those that live there is worse. Dont do the crime then play victim.
remember that music well like yesterday, also wickers world, loved watching that when i was a kid cause it meant i was up late
And ten years after this in Durham we had 4 up in a single cell still banged up 23/7 and slopping out 4 times a day and the authorities couldn't understand why the riots happened
I can. see above comment.
Luxury!
An inflation rate of 4.19% per year means £100 in 1979 is worth £634.07 in 2024, 33k pa. The average salary for Prison Officer in 2024 is £33,370 per year. so it hasnt changed, apart from its now better conditions and also the 70 hour week has now been cut in half with the same wage so overtime will increase the wage value.
Where’s all the play stations
Some well spoken prisoners here. Now you have 'street speak', rapping, spice, mobile phones........
I hate them Road man and how they talk! "you get me cuz say no more"! This is where criminals were different but now they all listen to that shite music Drill or Grime Green house or whatever it's called and they think they are gangsters. 🇬🇧
Didn’t know bricktop was a governor of strange ways before acting. 😂
I watched a programme called Porridge on tv as a kid. It put me off a life of crime.
Seeing this programme.....it makes u realise it was pretty realistic!.....apart from the comedy aspect. Prisons now are relatively soft apart from the risk of random assault by some thug having a bad day
Fascinating watch, especially knowing what happened 10 years later. Similar, or worse, conditions in prisons right now with the COVID lockdowns still very much in effect inside. I'm hearing of protests inside Whitemoor and Belmarsh. Solidarity to all incarcerated people x
I grew up watching these documentaries this was hard hitting real life journalism. Would something like this be aired today , would it be allowed?
Looking at the intro reel,nothings changed in the last 45 yrs !
Im watching you fletcher. And you young godber
cramming 3 blokes into a small space is torture unless they are nonces or murderers.
Or gays..
murderers commonly get a single as obviously they are doing a long sentence. Or get carted off to Broadmoor or Rampton because they cant deal with the prison regime and get nutted off. Nonces usually go on the numbers. A protection wing away from the main body of prisoners for there own safety.
Or bummer boys
@leevancleef451What is wrong with gay people ?
@@kevphillips02 Everything, Its not normal is it to put your cock up another mans asshole. 🤢🤮
Poor Oscar Wilde, locked up for two years in Reading gaol 😬
One song playing was Warm Feeling by LINDISFARNE. What were the other songs playing?
World in action theme tune 😂
Shame it wasn’t run for home 😂
@@wired2780😂😂
Tonight there’s going to be a jailbreak by Thin Lizzy.
That screw with the moustache “ everyone is a volunteer “,definitely a bully boy,would not look out of place as a SS officer back n the day.Exactly how I remember prison in the 70s
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I will 2nd that …..what a little shit Tache was
Agree, I bet he was violent towards prisoners for the slightest breach of the Nazi regime
Typically ex military type...bully boy
By all accounts that screw with the grey mullet of hair & Hitler style tash was known as 'Bootsie'... as he wore ammunition boots with metal studs in the soles. No points for guessing what he used those for on some of the 'volunteers'.
Prison populaion in Britain in 1979: 42,000
At the most recent estimate, the prison population in England and Wales is projected to grow to between 93,000 and 106,000 by 2027 - more if you add Scotland.
And costing approximately £40,000 per prisoner p.a.
Thanks for the info. Polticians/Daily Mail/ the Scum love the Law n Order rabble rousing
The Bay city rollers banged up?
Harry Grout wing ?
They should of kept prisons like this.
4737 Carlin Sir?
Where's your fucking tool?
Shit witness
Its Mr Makai from Porridge 😂 the one who says aw dont complain you volunteered.
If I was asked " What are you going to do tonight" Id have replied " Im going to squeeze between the bars, climb down and jump over the wall, go to the local pub, then at 10.30 pm go to the chippy, then climb over the wall, shimmy up the drainpipe, slide through the bars and go to sleep". And just look at the blank face who asked the stupid question.
That make me laugh. Thanks!
(Pseudonym) A violent, oppressive hell hole. There was a constant threat of violence from inmates and staff. I spent my first night there aged 15 in 1976, waiting for Borstal, returned a couple of times on other YP sentences. It helped to make me a very angry and aggressive man, then many years in jail. I have been free nearly 24 years. Prisons and staff have gone the opposite way, the new type of inmate is worse. I see now that a certain amount of fear of violence was necessary for control, some staff were just monsters. This new type of criminal needs to feel real pain.
Exactly, fight fire with fire!!
Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏👍👍
that's propper prison one of them cunt screws looked like macki out of porridge looks a grim hole then thanks for sharing
"This new type of criminal needs to feel real pain" - ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!! You know damn well how you felt when you'd been on the receiving end of a beating: YOU THEN FELT MORE RESENTFUL, & YOU WOULD THEN TAKE THAT FEELING OUT ON THE NEXT PERSON WHO IRRITATED YOU WITH THEIR BEHAVIOUR. Your perception of strangeways is SPOT ON! YOUR TIME, THERE, TAUGHT YOU ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!
@@SiLoJayLo Yes, there is contradiction in what I say. I despise todays mini gangsters who have no fear of consequences, because there are no serious consequences. Feral gangs roam Bradford with impunity. Society needs to dish out harsh responses or things will only get worse. I watched a video on todays jails. Incredibly, this idiot took himself hostage in his cell and threatened to cut himself. In the old days they would have laughed at him and said 'Get on with it' They treat it like he was going to injure someone else. A team, fully riot kitted, messed about for ages before going in and taking the tiny item off him. Laughable.
interested to know what become of some of these prisoners.
Probably back in and out
All dead.
They had the perfect experience for the available vacancies and became prison officers.
If still alive, they will be at minimum mid 60s now. I'd say 80% of everyone in this episode have died now....
I was on world in action in 1993 - a skool for crime
I've done a lot of work with ex-prisoners and the idea that prisons today are cushy is a myth. They are horrible nasty places, filled with horrible nasty people. One of the stranger facts is that murderers are usually the quietest bunch in the prison. One thing though about prisoners, give them a yard and they'll take a mile... Give them two hours socialisation they'll want six hours.
Yes I'm a fully rehabilitated ex con & your right murderers are quieter, probably because there on enhanced status & just want a quieter life tbh
@@ThePacko69 I'm glad to hear you have got your life back on track... I was told that a lot of the inmates that have committed murder were so shocked by their actions in taking a life that the last thing they want to do is to make more trouble for themselves...
You find with most convicted murderers, once sentences they go through a grieving process & some kick off & go loopy!
Been there done that as they say.
1977 in Winchester YP... 2 to a cell, then Portland Borstal, one to a cell.
However over the years since cells became crowded... had at least 2 to a cell.
Dartmoor was always 1 to a cell... but nothing like anything they have now... no TV, slop bucket, lights out at 10pm, evening watching TV... 1.5 hours, work mostly involved sewing post bags... butn have to say some went onto trade training.
23 hrs 😮😮
That would crack me up after a day, living with 3 men in a tiny room,
Enquire expected to close in 5 years time.
On remand I preferred the block ..single cell ...after conviction single cell ...
Keep out of trouble...SIMPLES !!!!!!, Don't assultt a police officer,,,
Very grim
I had a Saturday job in 1978 as a 17 year old kid, and would take home 6.80 for that one day. In school holidays I’d do 5 days and get around 36 quid take home. A pint was about 25p, cig’s about 40p for 20. Maybe less.
@13:27 screw with sunglasses it’s Jeromy Beadle 😂😂😂😂
My dad was going to be a prison officer years ago he paased all the training and everything my dad is only 5ft 6in
Born in 78...the title of this show was scary
There's absolutely no way those conditions are fit for a dog let alone a human...Let alone 3!
The only thing there is to 'rehabilitate' when there's no work on, is the next best way to rob a car or a house. The governor was spot on in this and I've seen him in a few other good docs. His dad and grandad were both prison governors too apparently.
The Strangeways takeover by the prisoners was in the best interests of the screws and prisoners alike.
" Collars down hands out ur pockets & keep to the left "
Fill it up with illegal immigrants, places like this is where they should come not in a 4 star bloody hotel etc
Agree and throw away the key
3 to a cell fk that. Jails are hotels now.
Only three to a cell? Luxury. When I were banged up, there were 15 of us, with just one bread roll to share each week.
Eye trying telling that to the young folk
It was almost like a punishment wasn't it?
That place was due a riot long time ago shocking
Not much has changed I was in belmarsh for 3 weeks 2011 that’s not a Victorian jail but it’s just as dirty with 23hr bang up most days..
And the start of the second week there wasn’t any shower gel to wash !
The more things change the more they stay the same
Three in a cell? Think of all the submariners stuffed into uboats during WWII!
well now there is over 80.000 locked up today
3 up..Was bad enough when it was 2 up. 23 hour bang up in Brixton. 3 up.. jesus.
You did tge crime. Do the time. Lol
2024 if the public knew what went on in there now the shit would hit the fan .
Holiday czmp
If I was inside and put on Greenhouse duties I’d throw myself over the bannister🤫
Punishment was the still the norm not rehabilitation.
I haven't slopped out for 20 years but I will NEVER forget that smell...
Prob be a bit more than 20 year!
@@myerbarry9912 ..No sir, we were still slopping out in Dartmoor '02..
@@beakofthesouth2666 😯
@@myerbarry9912 ...if you look up the Dartmoor riot of 2002 it was actually myself and 9 other good lads that finally snapped and that was what changed conditions on the 'moor...ended slop out, got tv's & kettles in cells....we all got extra bird for it ( and a few digs) but it was worth it ...
Same, the smell was enough to turn ya gums 😂
Cor I remember the education welfare officer of Bromley council showing me this at the Chislehurst offices, he also gave me the speech seen in Made in Britain (police and social work casefiles of mine used in writing through me mother lol) and he predicted if I didn't buckle down I would be banged up... well '81 he came good on his promise and I entered into the secure unit merry go round before them finding me a place I couldn't escape from, where the screws were hard bastards who just loved fighting and you were transported like Russian prisoners trussed with handcuffs everywhere... 2 years in that hellhole before migrating to the attached open houses, 3 years but it did keep me on the straight check out Every Mother's Son - Channel 4 20/20 Vision Jan 1984... that was me hehehe Me mum was the journalist some of the old lags might have good cause to remember as she did outreach work for her newspaper working with the lifers in secure prisons, she even put in a very good word for John McVicar to get his job at the Mirror, had lunch with him once with me mum hoping for him to scare me straight but I was on my own runaway train to hell and even a hard man like John wasn't going to stop that train.
people seemed thicker and slower back then ... awful !
Civil prisoners get say 3mth and still must pay for debts 😐
12 years later the boys ripped the fucking roof off the place 🎉
23.30 😂
Pooping in a bucket. Holy crap
Many shat in newspaper, shirt, piece of a sheet or whatever could be utilised, and threw it out of the window, as I did. Many is the time that one had whistled threw the air during exercise, landing in the circles.
wrapped in newspaper. packet, throw it out the window.
Not a foreigner in sight, crazy!
SOME BRUTAL SCREWS IN THERE BUT ALSO SOME WHO RALLY GAV A SHIT
2024 what has changed apart from now having inexperinced prison staff prisoner still on 23 hour lock down
This is how our current Tory government would treat people today if they thought they could get away with it.
This is how the Tories do treat people, and most can not see it.
You mean instead of giving them the holiday camps they get now?
Hope so
40 years ago. Barlinne had slopping out. Slashing. But for a reason. But even 20 years ago . It was a doddle. Sky TV. Recreation. But you knew what to expect. Same as this place. Plus you could smoke tobacco.
Even the criminals seem like nicer people back then - You would think bit by bit the country/world would improve but it just gets worse - I guess it must have peaked at some point maybe in the 50s just before my time
norman brown .and his screws wer b..........s...
Yes.... kin square specs had his bunch of henchmen who ran their own little 'firm' in there... especially the ones that worked down the block on D wing!.
I bet they had a shock when they relize its not like that comedy program
Porridge,,,, eh where the mr braclough guy
Don't do the crime. Dont go to prison! Simple
The human factory.
Bad news
All seem decent enough guys - Some of the officers seem more unlikable than any of the criminals we have been showed - Kinda ironic
Terry was always jealous of his brother James…..
Nothing really changed however. If you’ve committed a crime do you still have the right you’ve deprived others of? It’s punishment isn’t it?
There's still no socks in the ways and one time in the showers someone nicked my boxers ahaha no shit its a desperate joint strangeways
28 days in the block at strangeways i was 16 lucky to be back on the wing alive terrible place ✌️💚😈
if you cant do the time, then dont do the crime
Proper bird!!!!!