Meet the Jane Austen Society of Pakistan - BBC News
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- The obsession with marriage and the courtship rituals of Regency England are all alive in Pakistani society today, according to one group of women.
Two hundred years after the death of Jane Austen, some of her biggest fans are an eclectic bunch of well-educated women who dress up regency-style and discuss her work over high tea in the country's second-largest city, Lahore.
Video by Olivia Lang and Furqan Allahi
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When you actually have nothing to do,you make yourself busy by doing nothing!bunch of psychopaths i would say
m Danish so true.
People with money always make up crap.
yeah bud..what re they even trynna do lmfao😂😂😂
m Danish Just innocent fun, you begrudger.
Innocent fun??then why doesn't their face show that...look closely they are starving for fun,just masquerading themselves with those artificial giggles,and hence living a happy life lol,such things only smell sweet but taste bitter,
Bravo to BBC tho,out of millions of meaningful stories it picked something insignificant,one should never do something for the sake of doing,you dont need jane austin or mr darcy to smile and to discuss or to relate to people,go out and feed a homeless you will conquer the happiness,dont waste this precious life,a lot meaningful is to discuss,i hate it because the depiction of fun and joy in this video is a lie,
m Danish do you even know the definition of word "psychopath"?
mimicking British society with American accent... lol
mzeeshan and with indian faces lol
SK - Indian can be British and American you don’t have to be white to be known as British
wanna be white
Maybe some of them used to live in america. Wbat does the accent have to do with this anyway?
@@princesshuddini No princess. There is no "Maybe". This is an old British history from 1700. If you are interested to read about it, here is the Url en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Austen%27s_family_and_ancestry
Rich affluent women ,who have all the luxuries of the world ,while most of the south asians are struggling to make the day's bread , gather once in a while to discuss the plight of a women in South Asia.
What an irony?
A middle class Indian who has voted in a Hindu Nazi as PM is virtue signalling others of nothing doing enough.
Imagine my shock.
Umar Ali and yet, is better than Pakistan in protection of minorities.
Dude nobody is abstaining them from discussing poverty.
The amount spent on that single meeting, would be enough for a pakistani widow to take care of her family, for a month.
Eminent struggles of a south asian woman isn't pouring tea into cups but walking miles each day to fetch water.They still are unsafe at their workplaces.They still are skeptical about completing their education.They struggle in convincing their parents that marital rapes are real and they are victims to it.
Mr rockwell,would you care to explain your racist rant?
Alvin Raju dude let them bark, their entire country was made on rich Muslims idea to have a separate country. Let them be in their own zone. The zone of hypocrisy , lies, being a better race.
Look I am 100% for women's rights. I just find this an insult to the real oppressed Pakistani women. Hence the dislike.
There are Pakistani women who literally do not have enough food to eat. Working day and night just to feed their family while studying getting only 4-6 hours of sleep a day. Then some have managed to get scholarships to medical college topped the schools and helped their younger siblings to better their lives. I know this because I have met them.
Those are women who have a tough time. Not these ladies who have been provided $5,000-$20,000/year private English medium education by their fathers (men) and have wealthy husbands (men) who have provided for all their financial and emotional needs their entire lives. The women shown in this segment lack financial independence due to lack of skills. The real victims of Pakistan's patriarchy are the women who are oppressed, those who are not supported due to their gender by their parents, et cetera. My heart bleeds for them, not the socialites of my own wealth bracket.
I hope the BBC reflects on my opinion because I would much rather have BBC report on women who have a real tough time not these socialites. I can introduce BBC to the lady doctor who had such a tough time growing up.
Mohammad Hussain I agree bro :) well said : )
Mohammad Hussain
What you say about income inequality in Pakistan sounds reasonable, but it is ok for these women to express the paradoxes or their own lives.
They should tell THEIR stories, not the ones of other people.
Boogie Boogs yeah. But to oeople like Muhammad, these women come across as extremely privileged and bored with their lives
lol go dress them in burqas
I totally agree on this.
You can find pretentious rich ppl anywhere in the world
Desprate aunties busy to do nothing....
Mr. Darcy would have a heart attack after watching this !
Sam Kubla 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Jane Austen banknote
Nah he would want to shag these ladies
Mr D a r c y is a trans m a s o n mafia
It's nothing but a obnoxious display of wealth created by highest in social food chain of Pakistan.There many such pompous in India. South Delhi is full of these creatures who live aloof of problems and constraints faced by 99% of people.
You can f off then
What do you want? To give all their wealth to charity to people who don’t deserve it and haven’t earned it in first place?
This is ridiculous, it's weird seing people speak another language to each other instead of their native language ... And of top of that they look and sound ridiculous. Couldn't find something in Pakistani culture to display their wealth?
These women have meetings where they enjoy themselves discussing Austen's writings.
That's a good thing.
Way too much negativity in these comments.
Even if these women don't represent ALL Pakistani women, so what? They represent themselves, and that's a good thing.
Boogie Boogs correct!
You do have to admit that this is the least productive conglomeration of elite women.
@@dnranjit It's their life and it's ok if it's making them happy.
@@dnranjit What do you suppose they should do then?
This is just their hobby. Why are people so opposed I can't understand. I don't understand what people in the comments want these women to do. They have free time and these are priveleges we all crave all our lives.
These women used to criticise those culture which are not similar to the culture they follow. Thatswhy negative comments are so super
I remember reading Pride and Prejudice about an year ago; the book is very much compatible today especially in case of Pakistan. I believe Jane Austen was a social scientist as well (which writer isn’t?) and society has a lot to learn from her work.
Quran and Sunnah is enough to solve the issues that is Pakistan is facing
Qasim Imtiaz that's so true
@@qasimimtiaz114 yes but what has that to do with pride and prejudice? 😂
Jane Austen Banknote
Bcs pakistan is still backwards.
So you're telling me, these women enjoy an author so much that they immerse themselves in the mythology, dress up nicely, gather together and discuss about it over snacks, and even act out bit parts from the works, all while gaining their own personal lessons from the experience... and that's a *_bad_* thing?!
LOL GTFOH, all you hypocrites are canceled from every Marvel movie ever!
you must be a rich pakistani who is one of these dumb woman!
As Jane Austen ignored the horrendous poverty around her, these privileged women are doing precisely the same in Pakistan. Why don't you fund a charity to educate the poor, wouldn't this be a more productive use of your time and money?
beijingpete responsibility doesn't lie on their shoulders. I see you have a lot of time, so why don't you do that?
Can I just ask what charities you are founding atm? Who are you to judge what people should do with their own time! Women are oppressed enough under Sharia Law without us telling them what to do also! Leave them be.
Homo Sapien well said!
katie lister 👏
Because thats social work.. its am individual choice u can't force someone to do
Stop hating on them and let them live. There's nothing wrong with meeting up with girlies and having tea. Just chill out man only because they're in Pakistan doesn't mean they can't live their lives.
Isn't such a lifestyle against Islam ?
@@roshnipatel4393 meeting friends and drinking tea is against Islam? Huh?
@@nm9688 they've dressed immodestly
@@roshnipatel4393 oh, maybe. But having a book club isn't against anything. You're not even a Muslim, and you are policing other women based on outdated religious laws 😭
@@nm9688 I was just curious, cuz this is the first time I've seen the elite side of Pakistan
Wow. I wasn't expecting this. Cosplay in Pakistan.
Oodle Richhy If you want to see cosplay in Pakistan then watch twincon and Karachi con
Notice how absolutely no one has anything insightful to say about Jane Austen or her work and these are middle aged women not teenage girls, just the men in the books and which ones most resembles the men in their lives. Not withstanding the fake accent, its a privilege not comfort to read Austen if you ask me for them or any of us upper middle class well connected affluent people aping west and chucking our own language and its writers on the side some of them even in english language aka Mohsin Hamid, Mohd Haneef, HM Naqvi.
While there is a revival of urdu in India via Jasn-e-rekta and shows like Urdu wala chasma it is interesting we are too busy convincing the west, we are as hip as them.
Well said.
Totally agree.
Its their life, their choice. They have the freedom to do so.
the comment wasn't about restricting their access or putting them in a jail per se
There is NOT east and west in literature. Your comment is very rude and RACIST! We do not have to be bowing down to Hanif or such writers, I mean different people have different taste. How can you PUSH people to choose some particular literature. They did what they liked. Simple.
I am from Pakistan. I have conducted my Research on Pride and Prejudice. I literally read this novel more than 100 times.
Literally? Cover to cover?
My Favourite 🥰 is Emma and I’ve 4 Copies 🤗 From 🇬🇧
Well, ain't this weird lol. But it's just a hobby for them so why hate on them? They have the money so let them spend it in a way that deem suitable.
Problem is that they imply that they represent all Pakistani women.
Hahahahaha...
BBC you guys have lost your minds...
I barfed when she said ‘our post colonial legacy’ you mean post colonial hangover that you are taking pride in? Ffs
U seem offended
@@aatifrehman4150 not at all
🤣 do you even knw what legacy means?
Wealthy pakistani men having hobbys:.....
Misogynistic pakistani men having hobbys:......
Wealthy pakistani women having hobbys: how Dare she!! Doesn't she know there are other poor women in Pakistan? If she doesn't serve her husband or family and has free time, she should serve the society!
thank god I finally found a sane person in the comments
these women should talk about "honour killings" , child abuse, and other problems in pakistan.. rather than to be part of high class slaves of once british colonized land
ali a I hope they do...just not in front of the camera!It's an amusing video here....
Jane Austen banknote
Marvellous. Well said. The misogyny in Pakistani Culture is immense, even when Pakistani's move to the West the misogyny remains.
the western banks are controlled by men. including freemasonry
Don't get me started on that. From a Native Brit who wished British Pakistanis where like these people!
Pakistan seems to be a mishmash of other countries' ideas and cultures.
John Doe
Pakistan has its problems but it isn't a failed state.
Spag Hetti I think you’re confusing Pakistan with America.
Khan you may want to look up some stats you can keep imagining things if you want but don't try telling others false things.
Spag Hetti it’s pretty bad when compared to India
Nishchay Srivastava India is irrelevant here.
That was quite funny 😂😂...they have nothing to do...they dont represent pakistan at all..
Do u?
You're in the Pakistan.
I don't know how they can just go looking at 200 years ago England, say "that's just like us" and then role play a time that's just as oppressive.
But whatever floats your boat.
Lol as if being a Pakistani is something to be proud of.
Umar Ali
I'm not saying "be proud of being a Pakistani."
I'm saying "why escape a oppressive society, by role playing a setting which had the same oppression?"
"I am proud of being born in Pakistan."- said no one having an IQ level greater than a worm.
Drinking tea and reading Jane Austen books is oppressive ?
Don't confuse tea and books with imperialism.
That's like saying I support Nazism because I like watching German football.
Umar Ali
Again...
I'm not saying that the action in itself is oppressive.
But questioning the fascination they have with an equally hard time in English history.
Fake accent
What do you mean fake? To me it just sounds like a Pakistani accent.
Is it a really fake accent? When its a persons choice to talk in a certain way?
Hari Naidu These women have an inferiority complex. It’s completely incongruent to speak in American accent and imitate Jane Austin. Very strange and disturbing behaviour rejecting one’s own culture and forcing themselves into another. Delusional!
Its their choice, and their right.
yes, Pakistani elite accent who still romanticise their colonial past. Just like India!
Oh, c'mon guys! Give it a break!
This video talks about a mere group of women. It clearly states in the description -- why are you guys generalizing it? Yes, there are rich, poor and working women live in Pakistan..., and, so what if this is just a refreshing story from one group? It can't be just veils and women in burqa kind-of-stories all the times. Chill!
does she need subtitles? a bit racist
These ladies seem fun and cool. I don't understand the hate in the comments section.
Jealousy.....
Illuminati join
What's up with the fake English accents. It's so painful to listen to. Be proud of being Pakistani ffs.
Its their choice what they want to do and want to be. Also in my opinion nationalism can be a bit dangerous..
My mom is a big fan of jane austen, altough I'm a boy but i used to watch pride and prejudice and sense and sensibility bbc movies when i was 5 years old with my mom and enjoyed it but i thought in pakistan we were thr only fans classical British literature
No bro I was chained to the bed so I can read P&P
Like a frickin priory school
This is pathetic pakistan where literacy rate goes down, population rate rises, poverty in rising trend, terrorism is at its peak but they discuss jane austen instead of discussing most important problems of their society.
seriously??? I thinks it's better to become ambitious in your life instead of wasting time on this so called relaxing yourselves
greatttttttttt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i,,,,,,,,,,,,,liv in jane aust village,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lovsalmjeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
They all look like they have everything they need. What is wrong with relaxing? Also I don't think you've as much as touched a Jane Austen novel. Do you suppose she just wrote romance novel for teenagers? She is the one of the wittiest and smartest writers to ever exist.
Pathetic utterly pathetic
Not as payhetic as your grammar.
Okay but why are they trying to sound like 19th century aristocratic ladies boasting about their usual affairs while sipping their tea?
Good to see them relaxing and having fun. No need to have!
What's that ????are they trying to practice that British culture which was the symbol of oppression in indian subcontinent????
It is “comfort...” that’s exactly what I believe reading Austen provides the reader... comfort.
on one side, the country drowned to neck by the burden of external debt of ~$90B, poverty, extremism and on the other side, you have this.
What's with all the hateful comments? Instead of writing you could have fed a poor child. So judge yourselves before judging others.
The comments here are just awful!
MiaElf1 Jealousy's horrible....
Yeah, what the hell is going on?
the video is awful so comments would be awful too
What’s with all the hate?! I’m a British Asian who loves Austen. I discovered her 25 years ago at Uni and find her writing to be very socially observant, witty and humorous. Her writing resonated with me because I love history and at the time some of the females obsessions with getting married reminded me of my own mother. It’s entertainment that’s all. There’s no rules on the types of films, books etc certain groups should or shouldn’t read - those sorts of opinions are the backward ones...
Criticism is not hate. That said Austen is OK.
Source?
Dipak Basu Really? She said that in 1857 did she? That’s quite impressive considering she died 40 years previously in 1817.
Jacob Watson Hahahahaha Jacob, this comment made me choke on my water with laughter. You are winning. I’ve seen that comment (1857) several times in these comments and I’m pretty sure someone just made that up and everyone is regurgitating it as fact.
Jane Austen died in 1817.
this reminds me of Reading Lolita in Tehran
wives of rich men, who doesn't know what to do with life.
Postcolonial legacy? they are taking pride in the post-colonial effects? who they are. lols
I hope they are having a good time, and i wish the same for every one, whether someone is playing "Kabaddi" or anything they find amusing. Seeing so many dislikes doesn't make sense. If they are privileged or have more fortune that others, is that a bad thing? Do we have to hate them for it ?
It's not about being privileged. It's about shunning your culture and promoting the culture & identity of those colonialists who brutally occupied us, erasing our history, and introducing racism & classism of ridiculous proportions.
@@KatariaGujjar Sorry, I did not see it that way.
South Asians often have this mindset. Constantly complaining and criticizing (saying this as one myself)
@@KatariaGujjar then who is stopping u from starting Pakistani literature book club. I assume you must have read lots of Pak books?
Ok it is their wealth, their choice what to do with it! Stop crying over the money that is not yours.
Wasted 2:30 mins of my life
What she actually means that the west came to the east and try to adopt the eastern way of living.. facts
I'm U.S. based, Any time I see this wanna be 'upper crust' my heart goes out to the have nots. A few 'trolley teas' like this put $$ together could help a poor man marry off his daughter. THAT is what earns my thumbs up.
Is it cultural appropriation ?
yes
XXX yes like your name..
Omg so much triggered people here. Let them do what they do. And actually you could go and read a book written by Jane Austen.
Women had more opportunities in Pakistan than many other countries in the World. In 1988, people elected Bhutto the Prime Minister of Pakistan. This is hardly heard of around 30 years back in any other part of the World.
Lol .. jokes on u 😆
Hindu Naikidevi: The Queen who Defeated Mohammed Ghuri Invasion
Battle of Gujarat or Kayadara, 1178
It was during her short regency that the Queen made history.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mularaja_II
Lakshmibai, the Rani of Jhansi ( 1828 - 1858)
She was one of the leading figures of the Indian Rebellion of 1857 and became for Indian nationalists a symbol of resistance to the British Raj. .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_of_Jhansi
Rani Durgavati (born 1542-1564) fought the mughal muslim inbreds
Queen of Gondwana from 1550 until 1564.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rani_Durgavati
Rani Durgavati - The Queen Who Defeated Akbar emperor Three Times!!
Rani Avantibai (1858) Lodhi-Warrior Queen!
Avantibai vowed to fight the British Raj to regain her land.1858 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avantibai
These women belong to the privileged 1% of paks population who are extremely wealthy
Aminah Shahid what do u know about these people? Any research??
I don't need any research to know that they are quite wealthy as it is obvious.some of them might be working and earning to afford all this but most of them aren't because it's their husband's or father's money that's why I said they are privileged for having far better lives than most of Pakistani women who are poor and working hard ,doing Labour work due to being illetrate or not having a proper qualification.
Aminah Shahid so u are partially true.
How did you know?
Aminah Shahid Good for them:you see,that's life worldwide._
they r so damn cringe
We call them burgers 🍔
Pakistan … the last relic of Victorian culture
Yes we are exactly at same place culturally and socially,england was 200 years ago..i habe read jane austin and i think so
The UK too is going back. This is the Age of Modern Corruption. The Monopolists are back🤢🤮
I lost brain cells watching this.
Ladies and gentlemen, presenting to you the ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan
Ye whi ameer log h na jo Pakistani serial m dikhae jate hai 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This video is about gender inequality, income inequality is a totally different issue. Life is equality harder for poor men as well as poor women of Pakistan compared to these women. So please stop judging these women.
That woman at 1:45 is incredibly beautiful, she looks like a princess in a painting.
Yeah a princess in hiding, a snake is what she reaily is.
BBC what are you reporting 🤔
Love this shit , the Jane Austen society , in American English , especially in an accent learnt from Beverly hills 90210 , beam me up Scotty,
Ah yes, the rich, privileged fools of our society who idle their day away, untouched by struggles and strife.
Being a Pakistani I never knew they existed before. Btw they need a rehab for the hangover they have .
No one:
Literally no one:
People with lots of money and little brain: " I am also married to Mr. Bennet" LOL
Merry Christmas People Share the Love Support the family
*Cultish abnormalities.*
Lots of negatv commnts . But personally liked these ladies so some of our rich ladies do have reading hobbies too apart from fashion and glamour nd why would they make charity work. Alots of charity funds are not distributd to the right people but goes to the acounts of the owners .at least we have no hypocrisy here. And most and most of men and women speak up for poor and for the oppressed woman. I see no benefit and change by their speaking unless the gov takes serious action.
If I'd known that this is what Jane Austen was going to be about might as well not have read her . but can't blame superiority complexity specially coming from punjab
"super eccentric, super quirky and super fake" hahahaha bunch of wannabes
They seem very proud of their british past and have no cultural pride
Still looking for the hate comments that everyone here seems to be yapping about. 😅
Wtf. These are the same women who treat their maids like dirt, so nasty!
don't get me wrong ! i like Jane Austin but honestly these women seem extremely disturbed if not insane ! bunch of wannabes i say.
FAKE and Complexed women, lmao😂😂
Why has somebody at the BBC been made to work Christmas Day just to post this shit
Super Hans , well said 😂
Colonialism, coloniality and civilization
How can they do cringe stuff with such confidence
What the f*ck are they doing. They can play Cinderella all day. As soon as they leave the house, a buffaloe shits on their heel.
Still can't get over how pretentious this is.
Completely removed from the entire country!
they all look so pretentious
wtf!! I dont understand at all. are they fr. what exactly is this can somebody explain in DETAIL!!
Just elites of Pakistan complaining how hard their lives are 😂😂
If you are unable to earn and depend on your husband for money... OFCOURSE YOU WON'T BE FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT
LMAOOO THIS IS SO FUNNY.
Elites of pakistan.
they drink blood of the ordinary people.
کوا چلا ہنس کی چال اپنی بھی بھول گیا
What is happening out there?
I wish anyone can explain?
hafiz siddiqui cosplay. They are dressing up to enjoy and socialize.
Lahore Lahore eh
Some of them wearing brilliant clothes
Give them a break dudes!
They are happy with what they are doing. What makes us judge them?
It was a bit awkward though :P
What is the feeling that you get once you hear sound of writing with chalk on black board. Nuts.
These ladies fail to capture the essence of the novel, which is based on pure love and harmony. They think they all deserve the prince-like Mr Darcy. Truly, just them mentioning "Omg! Like, my husband is like, Mr Bennet, yah". "Ooh, I met a Mr Elton" is a disgrace to Jane Austen.
Well now! I'd like to meet these JA fans and introduce them to hard working, fair trade artisans and home based workers like Gulshan Bibi, Mrs Jamila, and Haseena.
www.thelittlefairtradeshop.com/blogs/news/143337031-interview-with-gulshan-bibi-and-wfto-member-sabah-pakistan-fair-trade-pakistan
I interviewed Gulshan Bibi a truly inspirational lady, social activist and fairtrade business woman a few years ago in Haripur.
Can the BBC please kindly record interviews about the ladies who campaign for girls education, equality, respect and who are the pioneers of social and trade justice in Pakistan.
Many thanks and regards
Sabeena
Cringe level 101 🤮🤮🤮
Just rich people things.
Stupid there are people starving in the world if you got too much money feed the orphans and widows 😣
This is soo sad..i mean really...living life of the past and role playing it using it to create meaning in your life.