Ben and Karen React to Hikaru's Video (Hans Niemann Update)
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I kept waiting for my favorite Finegold quote of all time surrounding this whole scandal -
"What they need to do...is just STFU and play chess..."
LEGEND
You forgot to add “RARRR!”
Yeah, pretty much.
Karen 🤣🥊🥊 “I just got dragged into this; he pretty much ran his mouth and stirred up the crowd” 😅
Yeah Hikaru should absolutely have the self-awareness of how he stirred the pot. Getting sued for expressing his opinions and not statements of facts, however, was neither reasonable nor productive.
@@interchangexVP3 Hikaru and self-awareness are about as far away from each other as you can get.
The way Karen describes Hikaru's wild facial expressions and speech as being strange and over-the-top is absolutely HILARIOUS! She even imitates him with her own facial expression and hands..."His lips are going way out, neeeoww, neeoww". Please, give me a break...LOL!!! 😜 I also agree with her about Hikaru's false claim of being "dragged in" to the lawsuit. Hikaru openly voiced his opinion about Hans, and he definitely contributed to the uproar and outrage towards Hans.
his comments were way more inflammatory than magnus' tbh
Yeah those comments really activated the neutrophils in Hans’ bloodstream, leading to inflammation! @@itachi60001
Ben's right that his rating going down somewhat especially with the tournaments he was playing doesn't really mean anything, and Karen's right that Hikaru pointing that out is an implication that he was cheating (or at least an implication that the accusation is plausible). It seems obvious from Hikaru's last statements that Hans being an OTB cheater had been talked about among other players whether there was evidence of it or not. I think it's poor form for Magnus to have put all this in the open through his actions unless he had concrete evidence Hans cheated in that game. Approaching FIDE to do an analysis of Hans' OTB games, advocating for tighter security, etc. were more reasonable alternatives.
No one seems to remember this but the first person who talked about Hans being a cheating sus in public was in fact Hikaru, not Magnus. All Magnus did at first was withdrawing from the tournament and staying silent for weeks. By the time he finally broke the silence, everybody was talking about Hans cheating anyway.
@@merluzacongelada5361 Magnus made several vague comments that alluded to cheating.
Yep, Magnus handled all of this in a pretty uncharacteristically childish way and it really hurt Hans. I don't like Hans as a person but that doesn't justify ruining his career. Magnus royally fucked this one up and I think he owes Hans an apology and possibly monetary compensation.
@@BenHyle When? How? All I saw back then was that Mourinho tweet, you'd only know he was talking about cheating if you know the cheating part beforehand.
@@merluzacongelada5361there was that tweet, and him "congratulating" Hans' coach who has been caught cheating in the past. He did everything but actually call him a cheater from the start
Hikaru definitely implied Hans was cheating when suggesting that he was dropping rating points after cheating protocols were put in.
Honestly, this is Just Hikarus "I'm reporting seriously" ...face...lol
You know, props to Hans for playing these tournaments where he risks losing his rating, that apparently high-level players are afraid to play. hikaru points at Han's rating going down as some further indication of something...if Han's rating went UP then I'm sure that genius hikaru would point at THAT also as some kind of proof he is still cheating! hikaru should just admit that he doesn't like Hans and that he'll always have a bias against the man. Sheesh.
@aquashadow-if8gl who are all these highly rated players you say are scared to play? Hans rating went down , speculating what people might say if it didnt is pointless it never happened
Hikaru's talking like that because he's trying to capture the TikTok audience
he needs huge burned-in subtitles and Subway Surfer and Family Guy clips as borders
Nah tiktok people cant focus for more than 1 minute and the video was 12
He's playing the cat in the remake of the Charlie Says adverts.
Hikaru always looks and sounds like this when he does news updates or article reads. He's still awkward.
Hans probably lost rating because he had to focus on a lawsuit while playing every tournament ever. There was probably significantly less time to study or prep but still needed to perform at a high level since chess is his only income. That's my view on it at least.
Agreed this is obvious to me but no one has said it
He didn't lose that many points anyway so whatever
Let's be seriouus. Hans lives with daddy's money and could leave the lawsuit to his lawyers...
nah its probably because he constantly has to play open tournaments, he was gaining like 3 points per win and losing 2 points per draw back when i checked.
@@itachi60001yes very true
LOL. wow HIkaru is acting really weird. Is he on something or is he just still seething about this? It must be eating him up that Hans is back, he looks like he has a guilty conscience and desperately still trying to vindicate himself. For me this confirms his motives were really to try and ostracize Hans and he still wants that! Just look at this guy. Its confirmed. wow.
Great reminder why I can't stand to watch or listen to Hikaru.
Might be a genius, but outside of any chess enviroment he has the acumen of a child.
He’s just trying to deflect his responsibility in this matter by insinuating that other GMs egged him on.
huh.... your just hating ig.
@@klutch2993*yro’ue
The fitness ad lool. Karen is whipering into Bens' devices when he is not looking.
I'm amazed that Hikaru found a wife
Money helps stupid people
Hikaru mixed up “known world” and “planet earth,” saying “known planet earth.” 🤓
This video is like a Rick roll only worse cuz it was nothing but hikaru in low res
Hikaru doesn’t have an ounce of authenticity
Truly
The truth hurts
Hakaru is unbearable to listen to, thanks for posting this.
What a tastless humen
Hikaru the goat
He's fine. They seem salty.
@@ibrahimali4390the voice sure Sounds like one… so annoying
@@EddieDubsnobody likes hikimaru
I can't find that video by Hikaru can anyone post a link
The last comment in the chat had me cracking up!
Why doesn't Ben have adblocker? I remember he had 3 installed at the same time
Hikaru's speech speaks for itself.
havent watched yet, ready for thhis dub
Hikaru in two places at once
Most people have something strange in their personality that stands out, Hikaru's naiveness and his way of speaking or Ben's obsession with shows references and his rudeness to his chat
and you are defending an ass.....just saying that you ARE defending an asshole, i hope i have made myself clear :)
I lost all the respect I had for Hikaru when he meddled into the cheating allegations in his stream. Nobody forced him to dive right in, he just did - and out of malice, I'd say. He now says "he was dragged in". He could have kept his mouth shut or say he had no comment, but he exercised his right to say something. He dragged himself right into it.
Dis I gotta see. 👍🏼
Hikaru “word vomit” Nakamura
Now I want to get your input on the Ramirez scandal.
They made a video about this when it happened.
Ben said that the age of consent in Ramirez country is lower 😂
@@Gush27 lol
change the speed of a hikaru video at your peril.
you may get a "seasoned assist" order
I'm still amazed that anyone would have an ounce of sympathy for Hans, he cheated multiple times online and anyone who does that would have no reservations to cheat over the board as well.
Hikaru is justifiably miffed that other GMs who talked about cheaters among their colleagues, like Hikaru, didn't want to get involved during the scandal and certainly when the baseless lawsuits started flying.
bud so did 1000s of other titled players. Its Ironic that you probably follow a bunch of streamers that literally sandbag for a living teaching kids manipulating ratings is more important than competitive matchups. You are talking about online gaming where the anonymity immediately loses it respect because the perception is everyone cheats . And someone who cheated as a kid years ago and wasn't suspected of doing so since is not as detrimental to the sport as Magnus pulling back the curtain which exposed and confirmed the corruption and politcs that goes on in the background. Its makes one wonder if Fischer wasn't crazy after all especially when all the st louis chess commentators, except for Maurice, literally publicly admitted they use to prearrange draws in their otb careers. Yasser actually said it was hard for him to stop, but hey thats ok right? From the moment Magnus decided not to play the world championship he was sticking a fork in Chess's future and keeps doing so while you applaud him. Hans is just a product of his environment and now a victim and your criticism is misdirected.
This is so ridiculous 😂
5:46 -- ...In which we have conclusive proof that GM Ben Finegold does NOT have the Adblocker Ultimate browser extension installed. Terrible.
Ben is a boomer, I forgive him.
The answer is FRIES
I agree with boneci..let Karen do the reading..and Ben do the jokes!!!!
Why does Hikaru sound a lot like Steve Carell?
Whats up with the underexpressions
Hans can now afford all the Door Dash he wants.
but not in the sinqfield cup
So i'm not the only person thinking Hikaru seems like the fakest person ever. I pity any person who falls for his facade
Did I just miss Hikaru reciting the poetry of William Shatner? Awwwww.
Hikaru Trisha Takanawa-version
I’d lose my s if I watched him talk like that while tripping. Looks like an inflated slightly fuzzier Gilbert Gottfried 😂
The Hikaru Godfrey thumbnail before it started was HILARIOUS!!! LOL
8:30 Karen facts
"I was just dragged into it" - Called out!!! Most of what's really being said is not what's being said. The impact of these things, as karen points out, are completely *orthogonal* or *perpendicular* and I mean *unrelated* to the things that hikaru is saying which are *purely* to make him look good. The things that make one good at chess, I believe, correlate *negatively* with the ability to detect this kind of misdirection. But yeah, this is getting boring.
Why does Ben hate Hikaru so much?
He is just that petty
Magnus and Hikaru definitely handled sht poorly but I feel like Hans laid the foundations when he cheated(which he admitted). In my mind a 16 year old chess master is plenty intelligent enough to consider the ramifications of cheating. Once you get that black spot on your name in chess it is pretty hard to wash it off.
Damn you can hate hikaru personality... but making fun of his facial expression are not something that can be considered as funny, she is just being petty by doing that.
KRAMNIK & MAGNUS & HIKARU = SORE LOSER WITCHHUNTING LITTLE BIICHES
I hate Hikaru and this video made me love Karen more and Hikaru less, so great job!
I'm generally annoyed when someone like Hikaru basically reads what a website says and adds almost no insight or humor. Basically mining youtube for extra $$$.
I am curious if Hikaru learned anything from the experience of being sued. Not a fun experience but it does make you question things.
there's nothing to learn, Hans had no case. He can't sue Hikaru for calling him a cheater because he is an admitted cheater. Hikaru's expert opinion is that Hans cheated more than he admitted.
@@jenkind1 the case was dismissed on jurisdiction. not on its merits bud.
Determinative
She is absolutely annoying while Hikaru is talking. Seems obvious she does not like him. Yet, without him, the popularity of the game would be diminished.
I'm happy that Hans is lawsuiting everyone and people are held accountable for their statements. Chess players should stfu and play, just that. Acting as judges or drama divas is just pityfull childish behaviour.
STFU and play is just as bad as STFU and dribble.
You need find a more articulate way or making your point or you grouped into the Racists that use the phrase Shut up and play towards athlete, who by the way, really don't like being told how to do their job, nor does anyone else. How about YOU STFU and play. See? It rhetoric is an INSTANT failure. I know what you mean, so take more time, use more words, and express yourself clearly.
Yet another Hans simp who believes in censoring people… Just wonderful
I, too, believe that cheaters should be able to do whatever they want, get paid for it after the fact, and nobody should be allowed to say anything about it 🤡
What HIkaru is literally calling for is more corruption in the sport. Imagine if the players themselves decide who gets to play in tournaments like its fkn lord of the flies thats crazy. As if rating points aren't politics enough as the olympics have proved. FIDE is to blame for not punishing Magnus though. The whole situation is insane and not a good look for chess no matter what Levy or others think. Stick a fork in it and Magnus root cause of blame imo from the moment he decided not to play the world championship. Back to pre queens gambit times we go.
If Hans didn't try to use lawsuits to censor people, I would have sympathy for him but as I see it he should thankful he's getting any opportunities.
Bro they were literally destroying his career and person over false allegations and you put that on him?
@@Lastninjaxoxoxoxox false allegations? He was shown to have cheated in online tournaments. The whole reason the magnus thing happened was because of heightened suspicion due to it being known he cheated/cheats. Which is understandable. This is on Hans, and he is getting a second chance so lets see how he does.
cheated when he was 16 and he owned it; stalin fucking joseph @@fintan9218
@@fintan9218 You make Lastninja point Brilliantly. No one can debate a disingenuous piece of trash that says "you cheated we have evidence, TONS of evidence"
Ok where is it?
*Crickets*
Even now you could have posted links to videos but you didn't because you have nothing.
Hans did the LEGAL and CORRECT move to censor what amounts to defamation and when that happens guess what, people get CENSORED. Free speech is not freedom to say anything you want.
How was this lawsuit intended to censor anyone? Magnus accused Hans of cheating, which led to an almost immediate reaction from the chess world in which Hans was ostracized from most tournaments. When his livelihood is at stake over something that Magnus can't prove and has no evidence for, he has every right to sue for lost income at best and defamation at worst.
I don't understand how some people find Hikaru's personality appealing, much like Elon Musk. I think there's something wrong with people who actually enjoy their personality.
this video is a massive waste of time. Basically you could just watch the original video of Hikaru because nothing new was added by ben.
The video speaks for itself. If you have not paid any attention to this and have no context, you would not get it.
For everything that Hikaru has said, and for all that Ben has said and covered on this topic, watching Hikaru read this out is GOLD. Hikaru is trying so hard to come off as professional, funny, hard, serious, and most of all NOT GUILTY for what he has said. And what did he say? He's not going to talk that, that's OLD news. Let's just all move on.
Jemand, you're a tool.
I'Ve watched the Hikaru video BEFORE I came here. What I was saying is that Ben added no value whatsoever to this video. It's basically copyright infringement.@@deetrixreed8961
@@deetrixreed8961Are you OK?
Hikaru's video js a waste of time because he just reads the article
no, he also reads his own statement, formulated by lawyers.
This video only shows this video, nothing else. think for yourself.@@user-rx1xt2nd5e
Karen is far smarter than Ben. Ben can play chess, but that's all he can do.
Karen can talk to chat, she can understand the nuance that the younger generation communicates with and does not take their statements literally or verbatim.
She infers meaning from Hikaru's words, body language and previous events to evaluate that YES Hikaru is TRYING TO IMPLY that Hans is a cheater and will always be one. No one says "everyone else already has an opinion and it's not going to change" because it's a stupid statement, it's too broad and no one knows everyone. What he means is I, Hikaru, do not accept it and will not change my opinion.
Ben pays so little respect to Karen from time to time that I remember why I, sadly, had to stop watching.
Learn how to speak to your wife with respect, Ben.
We know it’s you, Karen
Who's Karen
Ben’s 1200 wife with strong opinions on professional chess
@@Gush27she really only ever comments on the individuals involved and their character not their chess, idk what qualifications one needs for that?
@@danbrooks6780When did I say they did? Putting words in my mouth. Just said she’s 1200 and has strong opinions on professional chess
@@Gush27 you do realize you don't have to good at a sport or game to understand and be a fan of it right? Chess players need to stop telling themselves chess is unpopular because society is not good at it. The truth is nobody wants to associate with arrogant autistic sociopaths and noone likes watching classical chess which is like watching paint dry. What they are discussing here is a relatable real life scenario that is not about anyone's chess. And 1200 in blitz is way above average on these websites bud.
This video speaks for itself
Faces are made for accurate enunciation...but a bit maudlin..lol
We can't hear what hikaru is saying!! The "strange" woman with long black hair kept laughing and commenting on how "strange" hikaru looks.
they need to get this cheater out of the game. how he not completely banned i have no idea. Maggie had the courage to stand up to him, and they trying to make the IDIOT look like he not a cheater. BAN HIM
If you can't form a full sentence you might not want to call people Idiot.
For a second there I thought you were talking about sandbagging hikaru. You know...the guy who literally is sacntioned by the website to CHEAT for a living while calling it education. HIkaru was Hans hero, in fact is was proven Hikaru was one of the few GM's there is no suspicion Hans cheated against. Hikaru literally breeds thousands of cheating sociopaths everyday. The Only thing he is educating kids on is how to manipulate ratings and use anonymous accounts. . Which is the reason online gaming in general has never been respected for 30 years. And you want to demonize a kid who cheated years ago, when 1000s of other titled player did too? You got your priorities mixed up man. The corruption Magnus exposed in the chess industry is way worse than anything Hans can do. And now Hikaru is here literally calling for more corruption and chaos as if he wants tournaments organized like its lord of the flies. This is wild. FIDE really should have immediately punished Magnus but they didn't. RIP Chess.