Cursed From The Start - The Tragedy of Halo Infinite

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    Halo 5: Guardians proved divisive amongst longtime fans who were disappointed that series protagonist Master Chief didn’t serve as the sole playable hero. Out of the backlash came a lesson for developer 343 Industries, resulting in the team establishing a new pillar for the brand going forward, which centered on paying homage to the Halo that Xbox gamers fell in love with years prior. Thus, the shooter that later bore the name Infinite returned Chief to the forefront.
    The studio acted upon a few other ambitions as well, chiefly exploring a more open-ended gameplay structure and free-to-play multiplayer. It all manifested courtesy of engineers dedicating a good chunk of development to building a new set of proprietary tools, the SlipSpace Engine. However, admittedly insufficient management and a rash of technical shortcomings nearly prevented Halo Infinite from reaching its true potential, evidenced by the ill-fated Ascension demo that debuted during Xbox’s 2020 Games Showcase. As opposed to the fast-paced gameplay 343 Industries focused on showing off, poor visuals received the brunt of public attention, giving rise to internet memes and the game’s one-year-long delay out of the Xbox Series X|S launch window.
    But even that delay and its subsequent improvements couldn’t ensure Halo Infinite left a positive and lasting impression on series die hards. Several post-launch woes plagued the experience, particularly on the multiplayer front, yet again inciting discussions about whether or not Halo was in good hands.
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  • @GVMERS
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    • @workoutandread
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  • @Jellybob69
    @Jellybob69 Před 10 měsíci +1932

    It’s insane how everyone initially loved Infinite and were willing to accept it’s bad launch if it meant 343 were going to patch everything quickly, and instead it took them 18 months to get it into an even remotely acceptable launch state. Ridiculous.

    • @Ronbotnik
      @Ronbotnik Před 10 měsíci +257

      which is insane when 18 months is now an eternity in our current landscape. for reference, elden ring is about 18 months old. look at how much huge stuff has dropped since then! and their next game is already coming out next month! idk wtf 343 & microsoft were thinking when they sent Infinite out to die like that

    • @sirdarkon4517
      @sirdarkon4517 Před 10 měsíci +82

      they outsource too much

    • @lutherheggs451
      @lutherheggs451 Před 10 měsíci +84

      But yet mentally deficient people seem to think that MS should be able to purchase the entire gaming industry....They're all for MS purchasing massive publishing houses and all of their properties like Zenimax and Activision, so they can get their free WelfarePass games

    • @alexschneider8494
      @alexschneider8494 Před 10 měsíci +116

      @@lutherheggs451Cope and seethe

    • @Jackraiden500
      @Jackraiden500 Před 10 měsíci +39

      ​​​@@Ronbotnik um elden ring was in a pretty shoddy state at launch as well to be fair, especially on pc. Bleed weapons didn't work at launch and many npc questlines were unfinished. Pvp was a mess. Granted fromsoft actually fixed it fairly quickly while the devs at 343 seemed to be sleeping the entire time.

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 Před 10 měsíci +907

    Just imagine if this got released on the _ORIGINAL_ release date 😬😬😬

  • @Gatherway
    @Gatherway Před 10 měsíci +1089

    I must say, watching the game franchise that was one of the core pillars in my formative years of gaming crumble into a sad pile of dust and failure has been quite the trip.

    • @gtrblackhawk
      @gtrblackhawk Před 10 měsíci

      What happens when females run franchises…

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 Před 10 měsíci +28

      We can always speak out for a reboot that retcons 343

    • @gtrblackhawk
      @gtrblackhawk Před 10 měsíci +45

      @@cosmictreason2242 that’s exactly what I’ve been saying.
      Retcon everything 343i did that includes halo CEA.
      That is the only way to move forward with this franchise otherwise we are just going to keep dealing with the same shit

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +34

      This is what happens when you have a WOMAN in charge!
      And yet they STILL refuse to replace her!!!

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +8

      This is what happens when you have a WOMAN in charge!
      And yet they STILL refuse to replace her!!!

  • @Davis_237
    @Davis_237 Před 10 měsíci +516

    Adding Locke to Halo 5 wasn't the problem, Halo 2 added the arbiter after all, it was 343 marketing department lying to us selling a story of chief going renegade and Locke being sent to bring him back, but instead what we got was a 40 second fight cinematic between Locke and Chief, and a bland rogue AI story with you fighting the Warden again after you already fought him several times before.

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 Před 10 měsíci +18

      Exactly

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 10 měsíci +26

      Halo 6 was bad for ma years reasons, no co-op, bullet desync, free to play, etc. The one thing they did right was the ability to... wait there wasn't anything

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +9

      Yep, that and the busted squad ai and lack of splitscreen

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​@@ThunderCleez66technically it was forge 3.0 with some pc implementation but i didn't want to renew my xbox live gold to stay around and experience it lol.

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@ThunderCleez66 infinite improved y the following things over h4/5:
      Textures
      Marine AI
      Boss fights/less QTE's and cutscene blue balling
      That's it. Everything else was worse. Weapon sandbox, music, characters, plot, movement mechanics, sound design, vehicles, multiplayer, dialogue, exposition, atmosphere, set pieces, level design, STORY and SETTING

  • @TheLH86
    @TheLH86 Před 10 měsíci +554

    I think the co op loss was even more egregious considering someone managed to mod it in, just using existing files in the game already, leading many to question just why it was cut at all.

    • @igungfarben9612
      @igungfarben9612 Před 10 měsíci +68

      GREED

    • @galutdiaspora2678
      @galutdiaspora2678 Před 10 měsíci +52

      2023 still not campaign coop splitscreen ??? We had that in 2001 with halo 1

    • @Srab23
      @Srab23 Před 9 měsíci +46

      The reason split screen stopped being made is because graphics were pushed too far. Having two cameras in a scene increases the amount of objects needed to be rendered, having a big cost on performance. Because graphics apparently are more important than gameplay it was probably cut.
      Modders don't need to care about performance.

    • @akush42069
      @akush42069 Před 9 měsíci +65

      @@Srab2330 fps is perfectly fine for a coop benchmark

    • @user-kv8zn8bj7p
      @user-kv8zn8bj7p Před 9 měsíci +35

      @@akush42069 tell that to the performance snobs

  • @BainesMkII
    @BainesMkII Před 10 měsíci +365

    I remember the response to Halo 4 being more mixed, and people were concerned about story design and direction, gameplay design and direction, general game quality, and really pretty much every aspect of the future of the Halo franchise under 343. For some, the issues with Master Chief Collection was simply an affirmation of already held concerns.

    • @nairocamilo
      @nairocamilo Před 9 měsíci +48

      Same. Definitely not "mostly positive"

    • @RedCommunistDragon
      @RedCommunistDragon Před 9 měsíci +8

      Most Halo games have had mixed reactions. The only games that haven’t (FPS games at least) are CE and 3.

    • @PineappleStickers
      @PineappleStickers Před 9 měsíci +32

      @@nairocamilo for sure. Halo 4's reaction back in 2012 was waaaay lower than "mostly positive". It was so divisive it pretty much put everyone into a cautious state of concern, waiting to see if 343 intended to continue down that road or would return to form.
      For a lot of people, myself included, it was the last Halo game they played as just seeing the trailers for 5 was enough to know it was just downhill from there on out

    • @OKMBVideos
      @OKMBVideos Před 9 měsíci +23

      ​@@RedCommunistDragonthat's mostly true for people on communities like Reddit or 4chan, where they're so incredibly tiny that they don't represent anywhere close to all players.
      Halo 4 was the first Halo game with online multiplayer that dropped 60% of all players in less than a year. Halo 3 stayed in the first spot of the Top 10 for 3 years post launch

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +5

      ​​@@RedCommunistDragoneah halo 2 did have some backlash from what I heard. The issue is Halo 4 was the first Halo where an added featureset or aspect of the experience did not outweigh the negatives (h2 introduced xbox live despite being abyssmally balanced in single player and loaded with bugs and online exploits, reach had forge world and best customization despite very controversial weapons changes and some very busted armor pickup loadouts, odst had arguably the best campaign and introduced firefight despite being the worst value per dollar in the series.

  • @EMHearst
    @EMHearst Před 9 měsíci +430

    How Bonnie Ross kept her job for so long is beyond me.

    • @mikegaruda4270
      @mikegaruda4270 Před 9 měsíci

      Probably she is fucking with a big shark.

    • @shroomanox
      @shroomanox Před 9 měsíci +121

      womyn

    • @jvjv3061
      @jvjv3061 Před 9 měsíci +16

      This is because
      * Halo MCC was a success on consoles and later on PC,
      * Halo 5 Guardians was played on a long period and got the biggest Halo World Championship prize pool for a console esport championship thanks to the success of REQ cards
      * Halo Infinite got a good metacritic (87) and was the best multiplayer in 2021 (BF 2042 and COD were disapointing that year)
      * Halo Infinite got 20 millions players in less than 2 months, which never happened in the whole History of Halo
      * Halo Infinite was the GOTY of the players at the Game Awards 2021.
      * the Halo Series was a huge success for Paramount+ that got +21% of subscribers (33 millions => 40 millions) at the launch of the show.

    • @omarhegab
      @omarhegab Před 9 měsíci +27

      @@jvjv3061were disappointing* sorry If I bothered you by pointing that out.

    • @mattbuergel8487
      @mattbuergel8487 Před 9 měsíci

      @@jvjv3061 Not the person you're responding to, but wanted to just point out that MCC was an absolute travesty at launch and for 6+ months after. The rest of your points are solid though.

  • @XXXskittlesrulesXXX
    @XXXskittlesrulesXXX Před 10 měsíci +281

    The moment i heard them say "Free to play multiplayer" my heart skipped a beat. I felt it was doomed, or as one alien would say "that stench, ive smelt it before."

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +8

      This is what happens when you have a WOMAN in charge!
      And yet they STILL refuse to replace her!!!

    • @StatisticColt
      @StatisticColt Před 10 měsíci +30

      @@Genesiscoupe3000they replaced her 10 months ago.

    • @LordLOC
      @LordLOC Před 10 měsíci

      @@Genesiscoupe3000 Wow. Yeah, blame everything on her because she's a woman. Not because she and others made BAD decisions, which have nothing to do with being a man or woman. But no problem, let all them womens stay in the kitchen where they belong. Right?

    • @dimaz3
      @dimaz3 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@Genesiscoupe3000Yeah cause a team led by a man never turned out poor..you are a weirdo dude.

    • @TheErikjsm
      @TheErikjsm Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@Genesiscoupe3000calm down incel

  • @JackaWilko
    @JackaWilko Před 10 měsíci +743

    One video, as a Halo fan, I wished I'd never see
    I'm going to enjoy this Gvmers video even if it kills me

    • @griffingamer8624
      @griffingamer8624 Před 10 měsíci +70

      Just be a fan of the originals. You don't have to recognize the 343 made games.

    • @katanafourzeronine
      @katanafourzeronine Před 10 měsíci +1

      You and me both, mate.

    • @extremedee7320
      @extremedee7320 Před 10 měsíci +29

      halo infinite is a good game. Don't let other people's chances how you feel about it.

    • @yutro213
      @yutro213 Před 10 měsíci +2

      You wil Survive!

    • @EXiLExJD
      @EXiLExJD Před 10 měsíci +18

      ​@@griffingamer8624 fr, after I played Halo 4 the series was dead to me. The only good thing 343 has done is the MCC and that took about a year to get decent for what is essentially a remaster of pre-existing content.

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Před 10 měsíci +198

    Its so nostalgic to think about Halo being a gaming champion back in 2000s, time flies

    • @Ronbotnik
      @Ronbotnik Před 10 měsíci +27

      it is a bit sad seeing halos corpse still be paraded around, when its time is long past...
      time does indeed fly

    • @XXXskittlesrulesXXX
      @XXXskittlesrulesXXX Před 10 měsíci +19

      I remember my dad dropping CE on my lap and asked if i wanted to play "A super soldier fighting aliens on a ring or something idk." Little did we know what masterpiece was plopped on me.

  • @JTReviewsPlus
    @JTReviewsPlus Před 10 měsíci +301

    It’s crazy how Halo Infinite released with less content and updates than other Halo titles that released more than a DECADE ago!

    • @SomeKindaSpy
      @SomeKindaSpy Před 10 měsíci +46

      Everything 343 has puked out has not been made with passion or love, but by amateurs being forced to make what corporate is telling them to.

    • @dawsynasay4841
      @dawsynasay4841 Před 10 měsíci +12

      You can say that about most shooters nowadays.

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +15

      @@SomeKindaSpy
      This is what happens when you have a WOMAN in charge!
      And yet they STILL refuse to replace her!!!

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 10 měsíci +3

      It's crazy how Halo Infinite is worse than Halo 5!

    • @phanto6599
      @phanto6599 Před 10 měsíci +18

      @@Genesiscoupe3000if you are talking about Bonnie Ross, they did replace her. Like a whole year ago lol

  • @kagelynx
    @kagelynx Před 10 měsíci +163

    Original Halo was also popular due to its split-screen/couch coop. Removing that feature removed a reason to buy.

    • @vforvendettas2898
      @vforvendettas2898 Před 10 měsíci +29

      Exactly and they lied about it

    • @zstandsforzorro4716
      @zstandsforzorro4716 Před 10 měsíci +21

      I’m still furious there’s no offline splitcreen a DISGRAC E

    • @Silent.Watcher
      @Silent.Watcher Před 9 měsíci +7

      I bought MCC on pc believing it have/gonna have splitscreen. I still can't believe they ditch that completely.

    • @brucespringsteen4467
      @brucespringsteen4467 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@Silent.Watcher same here 343 seem con artists

    • @mgf909
      @mgf909 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I’d say about 60% of us halo fans buy the game because of split screen/co-op. They screwed over the majority of us…

  • @neonsoldier117
    @neonsoldier117 Před 10 měsíci +166

    I remember the old days in Halo. Going over to your friends house & bringing your controller. Tiny 4 boxes that we all played in on the Xbox. I miss it.

    • @covert0overt_810
      @covert0overt_810 Před 10 měsíci +14

      “those were good times bros... we’re jolly green giants walking the earth. with guns...”

    • @houseofguelph8825
      @houseofguelph8825 Před 10 měsíci +13

      Still no coop splitcreen its a disgrace

    • @houseofguelph8825
      @houseofguelph8825 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Still no offline coop splitscreen - July 2023 ???? Disgrace

    • @galutdiaspora2678
      @galutdiaspora2678 Před 10 měsíci +3

      2023 still not campaign coop splitscreen ??? We had that in 2001 with halo 1

    • @covert0overt_810
      @covert0overt_810 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@galutdiaspora2678 the wokies cant be bothered .... you need skins and transactions...

  • @MakeItPerfectlyWrong
    @MakeItPerfectlyWrong Před 10 měsíci +256

    The reception to CEA and 4 were NOT as kind as made out in this video
    Artstyle changes for both and core gameplay for 4 drove many players away, fast. Halo 4s multiplayer died fast due to the Codification of the gameplay. Legendary Slayer would not come out to fix it until too late

    • @terminatrix92
      @terminatrix92 Před 10 měsíci +40

      I always felt 4&5 butchered the visual style of halo whilst bringing in way too much Lore. I appreciate that the books have always suggested a deeper history and weirder world but keep it out of the games! If you cant shoot it then it doesnt belong in Halo. Bosses that deliver monologues and then die in cutscenes...

    • @BingFox
      @BingFox Před 10 měsíci +13

      When I got the MCC on Steam it wasn't long before I switched CE to the original graphics. At least they allowed you to do that. I wish other remasters did the same.
      Also, while I was playing ODST, I couldn't help but feel like I was playing Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. The graphics, visor stuff, and even the Engineers remind me of Metroid Hatchers.
      Sure enough, quite a few people from Retro Studios got jobs working on ODST.

    • @SomeKindaSpy
      @SomeKindaSpy Před 10 měsíci +34

      @@terminatrix92 To be honest, it's gotten to the point where I don't even consider 343 lore canon. Anything Frank O'Connor has added to the franchise I don't care about or consider canon.

    • @Deliveredmean42
      @Deliveredmean42 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@@terminatrix92don't you mean lore that contradicts prior lores? If anything that is the detractors as to why it's not as good as prior games, and I am sure there was a flaw pillarsin it's creation and its why people want the old aspects of lore back and retcon the 343 parts over the years.

    • @cosmictreason2242
      @cosmictreason2242 Před 10 měsíci

      Forerunners are ancient humans

  • @ninochaosdrache3189
    @ninochaosdrache3189 Před 9 měsíci +10

    The "Fear Halo won't feel like Halo" line had me tears. Halo didn't feel like Halo since 343 took over.

  • @vforvendettas2898
    @vforvendettas2898 Před 10 měsíci +13

    Campaign was SO short and No campaign coop splitscreen like the mcc ??

  • @KnightLightXL
    @KnightLightXL Před 10 měsíci +179

    Halo Infinte was the greatest missed chance of the series career, 343 is the king of botch now fix later, I am happy where Halo Infinite is going now but the loss it suffered can't heal, it will only be a scar

    • @TheErikjsm
      @TheErikjsm Před 10 měsíci +19

      yeah first impressions matter, it might be in a pretty good spot now overall but recovering the playerbase is next to impossible

    • @Specter_1125
      @Specter_1125 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@TheErikjsmthe average player base has been growing overtime recently

    • @TheErikjsm
      @TheErikjsm Před 10 měsíci +6

      @@Specter_1125 not really a high bar though but i guess its something, wish it had just been a 60/70$ title i think that would have gone over way better. making a live service game then having no service basicly killed the game. shame too since it had a solid foundation

    • @gtylerbrown2
      @gtylerbrown2 Před 9 měsíci +5

      ​@@Specter_1125for a game that was supposed to be a consoles flagship multiplayer those numbers are still pretty low.

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +1

      ​​@@TheErikjsmf they charged people full price it would've been approaching no man's sky levels of rage. Maybe they would've invested more permanent devs, but the acclimation time on their setup still would've trsulted in 9 minths of delay. But yeah, we do need to return to paid map packs, cosmetic stores have derailed game studios.

  • @LateNightHalo
    @LateNightHalo Před 9 měsíci +49

    Some of the most passionate and enthusiastic individual developers who worked under some of the most disorganized, misguided and inept management.
    Halo infinite could have been great had the leadership not put them on the wrong foot instantly when development started

    • @EhEhEhEINSTEIN
      @EhEhEhEINSTEIN Před 9 měsíci +9

      The whole thing about 50% of the team being contract workers that were hired for 18 months max, no exceptions, just seems like the dumbest bit of corporate leadership tripping over dollars to pick up cents I've ever heard of. Hope they saved a lot of money not having long-tenured, salaried employees for all those extra months it took the contract workers to put the game together.

    • @arturoz6547
      @arturoz6547 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@EhEhEhEINSTEINwait, for real? thats stupid as fuck. 18 month workers

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@@EhEhEhEINSTEINthe cosmetics sales, with how inflated they are, have probably shored up that concern just fine, unfortunately.

    • @EvilPhoenix007
      @EvilPhoenix007 Před 9 měsíci +4

      "A group of people at 343 are responsible for these beautiful creatons (Spartan Armor) When I find those people I will kiss the ground they walk on" - Late Night Halo: Paid shill and Forerunner for 343.

    • @EhEhEhEINSTEIN
      @EhEhEhEINSTEIN Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@LeMicronaut Oh probably.. But Halo is one of those franchises that, if they got it right, makes $Billions not millions. Peak steam players was over 250k and they're usually around 5k these days. Idk about xbox numbers but someone who understands $ at MS has to be looking at that and thinking.. Fuck

  • @carljung9489
    @carljung9489 Před 10 měsíci +6

    I used to play in 2001 we had so much more in halo then splitscreen coop offline we would all play together for FREE

  • @horusbaals6206
    @horusbaals6206 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Where’s splitscreen coop even Halo 1 had splitscreen coop we all used to play offline for nothing but fun 20 years ago

  • @zstandsforzorro4716
    @zstandsforzorro4716 Před 10 měsíci +9

    SPLITSCREEN ?? Where is it ???? I paid 50 for something I don’t want

  • @jmartin687
    @jmartin687 Před 9 měsíci +66

    343 murdered one of the best game franchises of all time

    • @Dd-fb2tj
      @Dd-fb2tj Před 9 měsíci

      Get a life

    • @revan5293
      @revan5293 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Fire 343. New studio,new engine,new halo

    • @Dd-fb2tj
      @Dd-fb2tj Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@revan5293 grow up

  • @thez28camaroman
    @thez28camaroman Před 10 měsíci +149

    1. People didn't hate Halo 5 because Chief took a backseat. They hated it because the story sucked and the levels weren't fun. The multiplayer, conversely, is actually well regarded.
    2. Halo CE Anniversary is much maligned, not well regarded. The "remastered" visuals were criticized en-mass for being unfaithful and simple re-uses of already existing textures. With classic graphics being incorrect due to shader errors from the original PC port, CE Anniversary was only rectified within the last couple of years.

    • @sxnctum
      @sxnctum Před 9 měsíci +13

      For real. Imagine making a halo video when you're so out of touch with the community and peoples complaints

    • @InfectiousViper
      @InfectiousViper Před 9 měsíci +15

      Exactly. If that was the case with Halo 5, then people would hate Halo 3: ODST and Halo 2. Yet those are arguably the best Halo games, despite not playing as Chief.

    • @MaxiemumKarnage
      @MaxiemumKarnage Před 9 měsíci +5

      Multiplayer is ass and the fact people think it's good is just ridiculous

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I disagree with that opinion, everyone loved the gameplay of Halo 5 and the story was much more memorable than Infinite was. We all pretty much have agreed on that.

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @Riorozen Replace Halo 5 with Halo Infinite and you would finally have people agreeing with you, Free to play to get all the Fortnite kids is not better than eliminating pc cheaters by disabling cross-platform like Halo 5 did.

  • @vforvendettas2898
    @vforvendettas2898 Před 10 měsíci +15

    I only bought it to play at home with the kids in campaign coop split screen. …. We’re still waiting

  • @caifrootz2537
    @caifrootz2537 Před 10 měsíci +59

    I remember that last month before they shut down the Xbox 360 Halo servers for the last time in 2021, that to me kinda signified the end of Halo. I tried so hard to stay invested in Infinite but can't do it, the terrible TV Series was just the nail in the coffin from my point of view, we had a good run Spartans

    • @freelancerthe2561
      @freelancerthe2561 Před 9 měsíci +1

      The TV series deserves its video. This reminds me of this discussion about how companies think brands have power in name alone; and that whats under it is interchangeable. This adds a sprinkle of irony; as this is one of the reasons actors don't like hiding their faces. Pedro Pascal wanted Mando's helmet off, because he had a concern that Disney could change him out at any time if he wasn't more directly associated with the character. I bet the guy that MC had a similar thing going on.

  • @glassexperience
    @glassexperience Před 10 měsíci +18

    There is still split screen in the multiplayer, as it has been there since launch (4 player split screen and 2 player online), it's just sad the coop split screen was canceled. Esports scene has ruined multiplayer for many games, it works with cod and team based shooters, but many people could not care less about leaderboards or how many k/d's they have. I wish fun multiplayer would come back because that's why I fell in love with shooters, fps/3rd person shooters multiplayer used to be fun.

    • @alicatdotcom
      @alicatdotcom Před 10 měsíci +2

      Have you tried Battle Bit Remastered? It's the most fun first person shooter currently! Brings me back to the good ol' days 😊

    • @galutdiaspora2678
      @galutdiaspora2678 Před 10 měsíci +3

      2023 still no campaign coop splitscreen ??? We had that in 2001 with halo 1

    • @galutdiaspora2678
      @galutdiaspora2678 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Halo went backwards 20 years with infinite and halo 5

  • @JacksCommercialGodhead
    @JacksCommercialGodhead Před 10 měsíci +100

    I can just picture the campaign pitch meeting going like this. "What does everyone want in a Halo game?" "Far Cry, but it's on a ring world and Cortana makes cutesy jokes now" "Boom, nothing but net, that's lunch".

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +12

      This is what happens when you have a WOMAN in charge!
      And yet they STILL refuse to replace her!!!

    • @YarugumaSou
      @YarugumaSou Před 10 měsíci +9

      By cutesy jokes, you mean cringe mcu jokes.

    • @Horgler
      @Horgler Před 9 měsíci +12

      @@Genesiscoupe3000 Didn't Bonnie Ross leave last year? Regardless, I can't help but remember that one group picture of all the female 343 staff. It just further cements that games aren't made by passionate nerds with a vision anymore.

    • @xacslayerx3014
      @xacslayerx3014 Před 9 měsíci +12

      Also Kiki Wolfkill chimes in "I want a scene where chief talks about his feelings and how he gets sad sometimes"
      "Yeah sure we can squeeze something in"

    • @shroomanox
      @shroomanox Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@Genesiscoupe3000 Put Kathleen Kennedy in charge of the sequel

  • @jimhot7790
    @jimhot7790 Před 10 měsíci +7

    I have to repeat what others are saying offline Splitcreen coop have never arrived the ONLY reason I paid 60 dollars for this crap,. My friends and I waited and waited and nothing

  • @K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O
    @K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O Před 9 měsíci +102

    343 needs to go. We've given them plenty of chances. It's time to have a new studio give it a try because 343 isn't working, at least for me.

    • @RedCommunistDragon
      @RedCommunistDragon Před 9 měsíci +20

      Have you been under a rock for the past 10 months? Bonnie Ross, Frank O Connor, Kiki Wolfkill are gone and Pierre Hintze (the man who literally turned MCC from the broken mess that it was into the awesome game it is now) is at the helm.

    • @OKMBVideos
      @OKMBVideos Před 9 měsíci +35

      ​@@RedCommunistDragonThat's not gonna fix the problem. Bonnie Ross, Frank and Kiki had control of the studio for over 10 years. The company culture is absolutely tainted by their presence, because they've been hiring FTEs that agree with and what to do things their way.
      Pierre is gonna have an uphill battle to convince any of those people that Bonnie, Frank and Kiki weren't absolutely right with the direction this series was taking

    • @RedCommunistDragon
      @RedCommunistDragon Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@OKMBVideos Most of those FTEs were also fired and as we can see with Infinite similar to MCC, it’s slowly improving. Slowly yes but improving.

    • @malazan6004
      @malazan6004 Před 9 měsíci +11

      ​@@RedCommunistDragonit's still 343 why even keep the name and structure in any way shape or form? Should have been a clean slate the 343 name is beyond tainted

    • @RedCommunistDragon
      @RedCommunistDragon Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@malazan6004 The same reason other companies don’t charge their names, there’s no point.

  • @JayBaddAssCutler
    @JayBaddAssCutler Před 10 měsíci +69

    Cannot stress how much I love that this channel exists and keeps posting.

  • @porpoisecovid1996
    @porpoisecovid1996 Před 10 měsíci +6

    2023 still not campaign coop splitscreen ??? We had that in 2001 with halo 1

  • @michiganjack1337
    @michiganjack1337 Před 10 měsíci +86

    Halo Infinite & Battlefield 2042 did one thing for certain they both cemented (in my eyes) the death of both these franchises. They were both marketed as returning to what made them both great with the messaging being, "We've learned from our mistakes and have listened to the fanbase." They did neither and in fact produced something worse than what had ever previously been made prior.

    • @antpalmer5856
      @antpalmer5856 Před 10 měsíci +14

      AC Mirage seems to be following suit, which is concerning

    • @bosyogurtlight
      @bosyogurtlight Před 10 měsíci +8

      Well, Battlefield 2042 had an even worse launch than Halo Infinite and is still more popular right now, which is pathetic for Halo Infinite because bugs weren't the main problem all this time

    • @firebird4491
      @firebird4491 Před 10 měsíci +7

      What's frustrating is that Halo Infinite has a much better foundation than Halo 5 but launched feature incomplete and have completely fucked up the live service aspect of the game. A wasted opportunity.

    • @YumiiSauce
      @YumiiSauce Před 10 měsíci +3

      honestly battlefield 5 is one of my favorite battlefield games. the shooting is fantastic and the tanks moving to a more of a support role working in tandem with infantry was a good change.

    • @michiganjack1337
      @michiganjack1337 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@YumiiSauce Yeah BF5 wasn't bad, I liked the fortifications and the base game felt good. Unfortunately the game suffered from the updates, if they would've released the updates first on a CTE client like they had done previously could've avoided a lot of unnecessary headaches.

  • @XieRH1988
    @XieRH1988 Před 9 měsíci +68

    Halo 2 let you play as arbiter and there wasn't any backlash over that.
    The Halo 5 issue wasn't a "play as someone else other than Chief" problem, it was a "locke and his team were super bland and the story in general was poorly written" problem.

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 Před 9 měsíci +7

      Supposedly there was some contention at the time especially before the game'e release, but those people must have STFU quickly because now Halo 2 is held by most as having the best story in the entire series.

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 9 měsíci +4

      People didnt like arby back then but im noticing more and more that as the years have gone on the halo fanbase has much more nostalgia (or perhaps rose tinted glasses) for the older games.
      Though a weird case exists for halo 3, cause people loved it back then but now people point out its flaws a lot more now, as if to somehow counterbalance the nostalgia for the older games. The halo fanbase is weird...and ill say that as someone who got into gaming cause of halo 2

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 9 měsíci +7

      You must be too young to remember but lots of people hated playing as the Arbiter and they let Bungie know about it, that's why he is only a co-op option in Halo 3.
      Also I disagree with your opinion, Buck and Vale were pretty cool characters tbh

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@Riorozen You are a vocal but tiny part of Halo, Enjoy Halo Infinite since you complained enough to change the end of the trilogy. Reap what you sow.

    • @ThunderCleez66
      @ThunderCleez66 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @Riorozen BTW you have 0 likes on your opinion, I have 4. Learn what minority is please.

  • @tacticalpossum7090
    @tacticalpossum7090 Před 9 měsíci +58

    Its hard to believe that 343 could screw up so badly that fans like me who were OBSESSED with this series wouldnt play, but here we are. They did everything wrong.

    • @jvjv3061
      @jvjv3061 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Everything wrong ?
      But how 343
      * got a success on its port of Halo MCC on PC ?
      * got the biggest Halo World Championship prize pool for a console esport championship thanks to the success of REQ cards of Halo 5 ?
      * got a good metacritic (87) for Halo Infinite which was the best multiplayer in 2021 compared to BF 2042 and COD that year ?
      * got 20 millions players in less than 2 months on Halo Infinite, which never happened in the whole History of Halo ?
      * got the GOTY of the players at the Game Awards 2021 for Halo Infinite ?
      * got a huge success for Paramount+ that had +21% of subscribers (33 millions => 40 millions) at the Halo Series launch ?
      343 Industries did not failed everything. Those kind of videos are not honest because they forget many facts.

    • @A1stardan
      @A1stardan Před 9 měsíci

      ​​@@jvjv3061h yes, comparing them to BF2042 and cod that year and beating them is a win😂 gtfoh
      It's like boasting my crap is bigger than urs. It's shit either way.
      Halo series increased paramount sub numbers is an achievement? Why the fuck does it matter if the show is bad? We aren't investors of paramount studios to feel happy for that. You told it had 20mil players, now watch the steam charts few months after that. It couldn't even reach 100k

    • @d7656
      @d7656 Před 9 měsíci +9

      @@jvjv3061343 has practically failed the franchise, just admit it already. It’ll never reach the heights it had with Bungie in charge

    • @jvjv3061
      @jvjv3061 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@d7656 343i managed to get more Halo players and on more platforms. This is just facts.

    • @revan5293
      @revan5293 Před 9 měsíci

      Fire 343

  • @bounceycake1
    @bounceycake1 Před 10 měsíci +44

    As a die hard Halo fan this one really hurt man...

  • @vforvendettas2898
    @vforvendettas2898 Před 10 měsíci +13

    Where is halo infinite campaign co-op split screen?? It’s been 2 years now wtf

  • @BobBobOnYouTube
    @BobBobOnYouTube Před 10 měsíci +14

    343 couldn't make an open world game but FromSoftware managed to do it with Elden Ring with less money, a smaller team and shorter development time.

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +4

      To 343's credit elden ring has a lot less going on ai and game physics wise. Elden ring was also building on a sturdy foundation instead of being a panicked pivot for saving a franchise.

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@LeMicronaut also developing slipspace engine did not help at all. While from software always just uses iterations of stuff already in use. Theyre entirely different games and its not fair to compare them

  • @Omega4Productions
    @Omega4Productions Před 9 měsíci +9

    19:24. Small correction, but Staten didn’t write Halo 3. He was on sabbatical at the time and that was actually when he was writing the book Halo: Contact Harvest.

  • @Makoto03
    @Makoto03 Před 10 měsíci +66

    Halo Infinite was my first Halo experience. I thought it was decent but not great and i can see the disappointment from actual fans.
    The open world in campaign felt lifeless. There was no variety. The entire planet looked the same, no matter where you were on the map. That is ridiculous.

    • @EmanAugust
      @EmanAugust Před 10 měsíci +33

      sorry that was your first halo experience 😅

    • @loke801
      @loke801 Před 10 měsíci +18

      A big aspect of the lifeless feel to it is because your supposed to feel like your rebuilding the UNSC on Zeta Halo, but you never see the end result of that in the actual story. So all the time you spent capturing FOBs and freeing Marines feels like wasted busywork.

    • @bobby_c07
      @bobby_c07 Před 10 měsíci +6

      Even worse are the missions. Nothing memorable about them at all. It would have almost been hard to tell when they started and ended if it weren't for them all being in the most boring locations ever created in a Halo game.

    • @galutdiaspora2678
      @galutdiaspora2678 Před 9 měsíci +3

      2023 still nocampaign coop splitscreen ??? We had that in 2001 with halo 1. Halo 1-4 all tons better than infinite

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Go play a Halo from back when games were called "games" and not "experiences"

  • @igungfarben9612
    @igungfarben9612 Před 10 měsíci +25

    I thought it was a poor campaign, way too short and NO splitscreen coop must have killed the game for most older fans who play offline at home

    • @SeanJohn127
      @SeanJohn127 Před 9 měsíci +4

      It got old fast. It was same thing over and over, and everything looked the same

    • @lilbubz2803
      @lilbubz2803 Před 9 měsíci

      @seanfhou What? You’re telling me you don’t like walking around Rocks and Hexagons for hours? What if I through a random banished base in there to spice things up?

  • @andimari9194
    @andimari9194 Před 9 měsíci +30

    This is even worse when you remember that both battlefield and cod had MASSIVE Ls from their games, so halo had a chance to take the victory easily

  • @JTReviewsPlus
    @JTReviewsPlus Před 10 měsíci +49

    Phil Spencer once said if they lost their way with Halo then they lost their way with Xbox… he’s absolutely right because the only thing keeping Xbox relevant is Game Pass and the hope of a successful Starfield launch.

    • @BossBrownsugar
      @BossBrownsugar Před 10 měsíci +6

      They just bought Activision lol

    • @halucinujte
      @halucinujte Před 10 měsíci +12

      so they have call of duty and the corpse of blizzard yay

    • @shecklesmack9563
      @shecklesmack9563 Před 10 měsíci +13

      @@BossBrownsugar Everything other than Call of Duty from Activision is mostly relevant to PC. Even Call of Duty has seen better days and it will continue to be released on PlayStation (and Nintendo platforms) for the foreseeable future. Their strategy clearly isn't to help the Xbox brand because the purchase of Activision isn't really going to do anything to help them.

    • @stridix007
      @stridix007 Před 9 měsíci

      @@BossBrownsugar the real winner is Bobby

    • @OKMBVideos
      @OKMBVideos Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@shecklesmack9563I mean the presence of the IP and being able ot do something with those IPs is a MASSIVE boon. For context, Microsoft has Starcraft, Crash Bandicoot, Warcraft, and a bunch of other high profile IPs. They can do anything they want with them at this point.

  • @HelloMrK
    @HelloMrK Před 9 měsíci +9

    I haven’t played Halo since 2009. I do regret having never played Reach but, I think I left at the right time and can just be nostalgic about my childhood.

    • @brup123
      @brup123 Před 9 měsíci +2

      For those who grew up with Halo 1-3, you absolutely left at the right time. Reach is definitely leaps ahead of Halo 4, 5 and Infinite, but it was a disappointment compared to Halo 1-3. The core multiplayer had so many flaws due to large changes to the gameplay (Bungie seeing it as their last chance to experiment with the Halo formula before leaving to make Destiny - and it didn't work out IMO). The campaign was great, but not as replayable as Halo 1-3 imo. The only thing Reach was the best at compared to the original trilogy was Forge, so custom games were a lot more fun and diverse. But as an entire package, Reach was a good time to step away from Halo. From Halo 4 onwards it's just painful.

    • @djhollis8841
      @djhollis8841 Před 9 měsíci

      @@brup123I have to respectfully disagree that Reach was a disappointment. Yes, it’s different and more grounded thematically, but the darker tone really makes the universe feel real. Both the campaign and multiplayer are the pinnacle of Halo in my eyes. Yeah they tried new things like armor abilities, which eventually transformed into Destiny multiplayer, but they stayed true to the Halo formula. 343 is still struggling to replicate that feeling.

    • @YashayahTheAlmighty
      @YashayahTheAlmighty Před 9 měsíci

      u didnt miss much reach was the worst out of those halo games 1-3 was good enough

  • @Barbaroossa
    @Barbaroossa Před 10 měsíci +17

    "Insufficient management" - now that's the kindest euphemism I've ever seen. What we're talking about here is brutal incompetence, bordering on maliciousness.

  • @massivechafe
    @massivechafe Před 9 měsíci +10

    Halo could easily be restored with a small group of strong-willed experienced creatives at the helm who grew up living breathing Bungie's halo

    • @northernseeker1822
      @northernseeker1822 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Hire former Bungie developers.

    • @Srab23
      @Srab23 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Halo is in the hands of the money men, and they make the decisions.

    • @massivechafe
      @massivechafe Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@Srab23 yes exactly, it's stuck in a place with people who don't understand it

  • @CrashMcCloudX29
    @CrashMcCloudX29 Před 9 měsíci +11

    We finished the fight in 2007. Everything else after that is irrelevant with how hard they've damaged this franchise

    • @NebLleb
      @NebLleb Před 9 dny

      KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT, BIASED BUNGIE FANBOY!

  • @A7XKoRnRocks1
    @A7XKoRnRocks1 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Sad, just sad. Halo Infinite was a breathe of fresh air and everyone was so hyped, the first delay it got for an entire year was news enough that it's likely going to fail.

  • @TheMartyODonnell
    @TheMartyODonnell Před 9 měsíci +4

    Correction: Joe Staten was Creative Director on ODST not Reach.

  • @SteadyAscension
    @SteadyAscension Před 9 měsíci +8

    The problem is the multiplayer is actually broken sometimes. From hit detection, to meleeing someone and you both die, or shooting someone who is completely de-shielded and they don’t die. I actually think the content is alright, but it’s inexcusable when the game feels broken

  • @EYO117
    @EYO117 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Literally all 343 had to do this whole time was develope and release CAMPAIGN DLC for Infinite's beautiful open world. A gripping story with beautiful visuals is all they would need to provide to keep real fans interested.

    • @hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071
      @hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071 Před 9 měsíci

      Idk it prob wouldn’t be enough

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 9 měsíci

      Its too little too late for most people who were/are into halo. People arent unhappy with halo now...theyre apathetic. And winning back fans that have been burned so many times already is much harder than winning back fans that have been disappointed once.

  • @GAMEFREAK330
    @GAMEFREAK330 Před 10 měsíci +8

    I want to see a GVMER rise and fall of Archeage.
    I had 5000 hours in that game only to be driven away by bad monetization/management.
    As always great video!

    • @Genesiscoupe3000
      @Genesiscoupe3000 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Please go touch some grass kid!
      5000 hours is BEYOND sad!

    • @GAMEFREAK330
      @GAMEFREAK330 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Genesiscoupe3000 lmao that is just one game my dude. Also I am plenty traveled I've seen enough grass to give your ass a rash.

    • @halucinujte
      @halucinujte Před 10 měsíci +2

      ​@@Genesiscoupe3000stop judging and go on with your life❤

  • @JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re
    @JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re Před 9 měsíci +13

    10-20 people made Halo Combat Evolved. Over 300 people made Halo Infinite and couldn't manage to do what a team of twenty did.

    • @darkstarmkv
      @darkstarmkv Před 9 měsíci +1

      They explained that the turn over was high and a lot of contract workers were involved. That pretty much explains why it was such a rough development cycle.

    • @JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re
      @JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@darkstarmkv As the saying goes: too many cooks in the kitchen. Smaller teams have more cohesion, generally speaking. One person in charge. One vision. Bigger teams without great management, leads to fragmented development, because everyone has their idea of what the game should be.

  • @richarde.9411
    @richarde.9411 Před 10 měsíci +14

    To me, the last Halo was Reach. After that…

  • @zacrast16
    @zacrast16 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I’m still waiting for Master Chief to wake up….. Because we need him.

  • @K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O
    @K_FI_L_Y_P_S_O Před 9 měsíci +5

    These are so well made. Can we get a Rise and Fall of TimeSplitters potentially? Or even the Tony Hawk Pro Skater series.

  • @GeremyG
    @GeremyG Před 10 měsíci +10

    I can’t help but wonder what the game would have looked like if it released a year earlier when it was supposed to originally.

    • @gtrblackhawk
      @gtrblackhawk Před 10 měsíci +1

      The game didn’t even exist back then. It was just as much of a patch work as the Halo 2 preview back in 2003.
      Fun fact as I’ve pointed out in other videos if you go back and play that mission the pelican is just T posing above the ground. They haven’t even touched the game in that regard it’s easily to spot

  • @felipecouto9726
    @felipecouto9726 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Man, as a major halo fan since its start on release date in og xbox....
    Getting to see this video hurts. From one of the biggest and more innovative... to a empty carcass surrounded by color blocked for microgransactions.
    I may never be able to disconnect to this franchise since it made some of my dearest memories, but at this point in which i dont have any halo instaled... it clearly has been left behind by microsft.
    343 since its start was not able to keep it. (And imho h4 was NOT anywhere close to well accepted from my experience, and numberwise its clear that the Cod-ization was an mistake)
    Infinte plays like heaven. But the game is a colossal failure to what it could be l, what it was at launch and what it is now.
    The franchise, imo, will not recover from this fall.
    Their lies, disrespect, their takes of which paths to take... halo maybe should have stoped at reach.

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +1

      MCC on pc has been an okay consolation prize. I feel really bad cause the 343 team with probably a sliver of the budget and a smaller install base (but higher player count ironically) has been able to keep the game from being irredeemably monetized and is restoring cut content from bungie days to make it a really unique anthology experience.

    • @MaxiemumKarnage
      @MaxiemumKarnage Před 9 měsíci

      MCC, mostly fan mods, is the only thing by 343 that has any value

  • @Kaimerah
    @Kaimerah Před 9 měsíci +1

    the fact that video like this exists and get so many views shows how much love halo has. the series could always easily bounce back. just needs a game that launches complete. that being said infinite is pretty fun now

  • @kklum6998
    @kklum6998 Před 9 měsíci

    I do not know why when make any video topic on the channel I always watch it from the beginning till the end. Even though it is half an hour long I still sit through it listening to you narrate. Maybe it is how you string along the story connecting each relevant detail piece by piece with precise points that all of it comes to unravel in the end that makes it so interesting. Or maybe it is your voice that is unconsciously hypnotic. Kudos.

  • @sethvam
    @sethvam Před 9 měsíci +3

    I love your videos and was totally waiting for your next one. It's sad to see one of my favorite franchises receive the "tragedy" treatment though. Thanks for sharing your indeep insights.

  • @MrTimorous
    @MrTimorous Před 9 měsíci +4

    As someone who actually liked Halo Infinite from the looks to the feel (and still does), it hurts quite a bit to witness this all go down

  • @PnCIa
    @PnCIa Před 9 měsíci +2

    Best thing coming out of this is that the leadership of 343 was let go over the past years. Especially Bonie Ross.

  • @mccaulkiner166
    @mccaulkiner166 Před 9 měsíci +7

    Its sad how much such a great franchise has fallen

  • @loz9324
    @loz9324 Před 10 měsíci +6

    you know your game f'd up somewhere when you get a "Tragedy Of" GVMERS video

    • @brup123
      @brup123 Před 9 měsíci

      You know your game f'd up when GVMERS makes a 30 minute video and doesn't even scrape the surface of the issues Infinite had/has, or how incompetent 343i has been.

  • @cyphaborg6598
    @cyphaborg6598 Před 10 měsíci +7

    They would've done much better with Staten from the get-go.
    He knows what made it an excellent IP and I feel like nobody left at 343i really did.

    • @brup123
      @brup123 Před 9 měsíci +2

      They needed the OG gameplay/sandbox leads of Halo 2 and 3 though. Staten definitely understands Halo and how to bring out that magic, but him being creative director on Reach led to a lackluster multiplayer imo. Custom games and Forge was GOATed in Reach though. The well known guys like Joe and Marty definitely deserve huge credit, but the gameplay guys (I believe one of the main ones heads up Certain Affinity) deserve the most IMO, because they perfected the gameplay and knew exactly how to make the game fun.

  • @daltonburroughs3811
    @daltonburroughs3811 Před 10 měsíci +25

    343 tried to make Halo "theirs" instead of making a good Halo game all the way back at Halo 4. They changed Chief and Cortana's personalities so they were completely different people from the original games. 343 liked the idea of Halo more than what Halo already was and even went as far as hiring people who actively did not like Halo in an attempt to change it. I think all of this was inevitable with their mindset.
    Halo 4 is the worst Halo by far and Infinite was an attempted step in the right direction but poor management definitely hurt it.

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut Před 9 měsíci +2

      Knowing a bit more of behind the scenes I'm blaming Frankie. Dude just did not have the same spirit as the franchise and I think held a grudge against his betters (i.e. scrubbing marty from odst and replacing the easter egg with himself. 343 isn't bungie so the destiny music controversy didn't make sense as a cover)

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I dont think making halo have more of a story was bad but it wasnt executed in a way that made it engaging. Cortana dying from rampancy and chief questioning his humanity now that the war he was raised for is gone are great plot points. But it just didnt get the direction it needed. Honestly they should have cut out a lot of stuff and focus on chief and cortana for 4 and 5. Didact is a character you have no idea who he is unless you read the forerunner books and blue team and osiris make halo 5 way too messy.

    • @lilbubz2803
      @lilbubz2803 Před 9 měsíci +1

      343 Changing the Art Style in Halo 4 completely encapsulates their mindset when they took over.
      If it’s not broken, fix it.
      If they like it, change it.
      If they don’t like it, double down.
      If they want it, delay it.

  • @Accuaro
    @Accuaro Před 9 měsíci +3

    4:12 Please no, no it wasn't. It bastardized the visuals in 343s vision, something that doesn't reflect the source game at all. Halo 2 anniversary was a faithful remaster.

  • @abdelali9279
    @abdelali9279 Před 10 měsíci +3

    The part where mentions the pains of a team brought to develope an engine and multiplayer is like the general problem with modern gaming all efforts and resources are centered on just that and when you try to force it into a primarily single player experience is what ends up hurting franchises like this

  • @DangerVille
    @DangerVille Před 9 měsíci

    The campaign was and still is fantastic. Watching the sunrise on Zeta Halo listening to the iconic music is just unmatched. The multiplayer was really lacking content though, but we’re finally at a good place with that, and it’s only getting better.

    • @EvilPhoenix007
      @EvilPhoenix007 Před 9 měsíci +2

      *The campaign was and still is -fantastic- shit because I'm a clown who overuse the word "Fantastic" to describe shitty writing. - Clowns who overuse the word "Fantastic"

  • @amin6560
    @amin6560 Před 9 měsíci +55

    Fumbling up this hard is truly a work of art, well done 343 the worst AAA studio to ever exist.

    • @malazan6004
      @malazan6004 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Agree it's one of the worst out there handling a top tier franchise that was once loved by most. Disgraceful

    • @paulclark6988
      @paulclark6988 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Idk if I'd go that far, there have been worse. How's anthem doing are they still OK 🤣

    • @shadow200343
      @shadow200343 Před 9 měsíci

      @paulclark6988 BioWare fumbled the ball pretty hard but still not as hard as Microsoft's pet studio that failed to deliver a good Halo experience 3 times in a row.

  • @DeadPixel1105
    @DeadPixel1105 Před 10 měsíci +9

    This is one of my favorite channels when it comes to documentaries about the game industry. Every video is a masterpiece.

  • @joniofark2042
    @joniofark2042 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Where is splitcreen coop I only bought it to play with friends OFFLINE 343 lied it wasFRAUD

  • @lopiklop
    @lopiklop Před 9 měsíci +1

    I think it's worth mentioning that the free multiplayer is probably the most robust "free multiplayer" I've downloaded in a while. It feels like a real game and it's free. You can respawn without jumping out an airplane.

  • @Nukeman1509
    @Nukeman1509 Před měsícem

    Something I thought I'd add (as a Software Dev myself) is that tech debt can build up when not given the time or priority to mitigate it. It's rarely as cut and dry as bad engineers. Often new features get added to systems that weren't designed for it. And if the Product manager/Scrum Master/EM tell us to ignore it, there often isn't much we can't do. Sometimes its little things that wont matter, other times its program breaking errors.
    Without the autonomy to address them we're often forced to watch the snowball, till it inevitably overwhelms us.

  • @dun0790
    @dun0790 Před 10 měsíci +8

    Granted carrying on for bungie was always going to be hard but it feels like so many of 343 and Microsoft's mistakes were avoidable and now it's like they genuinely dont know what to do or were to take it

  • @carljung9489
    @carljung9489 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Halo 1-4 are all a million times better than infinite and you can play with your mates at home

  • @EPICJ0HN
    @EPICJ0HN Před 9 měsíci +2

    When the beta came out it was great but then launch happened and the only thing that was added in multiplayer was a couple maps. Literally 2 maps. The gameplay was flawless and really Brought back the halo 3 vibes. No infection, level system, not enough free armor. Greed is what killed infinite. The need for bonuses in 2021 instead of just waiting until it was ready doomed the game.

  • @ryanhawksley1779
    @ryanhawksley1779 Před 10 měsíci +4

    We needed this video and yet again GVMERS delivers when it matters most! 🙌

  • @Unchainedmaple888
    @Unchainedmaple888 Před 10 měsíci +20

    Halo: Very Finite
    Halo Infinite Disappointment
    Halo Infinite Spaghetti Code

    • @Cj-xl3jv
      @Cj-xl3jv Před 10 měsíci +2

      Halo: fuck yo split screenfinite

    • @reddishcarp1237
      @reddishcarp1237 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​​​@@Cj-xl3jvsplit screen is in Infinite

  • @Spartan_Jackal
    @Spartan_Jackal Před 9 měsíci +1

    I knew this day would come.
    But I still wasn't ready for it.

  • @randomassname445
    @randomassname445 Před 9 měsíci

    Excellent documentary!!!! Never stop GVMERS!!!!!

  • @game0wl
    @game0wl Před 9 měsíci +3

    Now that I think about it I believe Microsoft wanted to sabotage Halo ever since putting together 343I. Think about it 343 Guilty Spark was at first introduced as a potential ally but we quickly began to realize that Spark just wanted to use Chief all along to activate Halo and thus betray Chief. So overtime 343I hired talent that hated Halo but needed to crank out games that can compete with Call of Duty's massive sales at the time.

  • @Mrchair905
    @Mrchair905 Před 8 měsíci

    It’s hard growing up watching Halo be the best fps in every aspect, especially Halo 3, and watching it fall into disarray now. RIP Halo, you were truly the best.

  • @arthurbrax6561
    @arthurbrax6561 Před 9 měsíci +1

    343 and Bonnie Ross should have been fired years ago. 343 never knew what Halo was all about but the most disturbing thing is that Microsoft themselves had no idea what Halo was. Halo ended when Bungie left after Reach but you can also say Bungie ended when they jumped in bed with Activision.

  • @redvoco02
    @redvoco02 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Paying for the campaign should've made all cosmetics free

  • @BIGNOIDS
    @BIGNOIDS Před 10 měsíci +21

    The perfect review scores for this game from some of the supposedly professional journalists was shocking.

    • @adamwegner2520
      @adamwegner2520 Před 9 měsíci +8

      These are the same people that lauded the last of us part 2. After gamergate, nothing is sacred.

    • @EvilPhoenix007
      @EvilPhoenix007 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I know IGN reviewer Ryan McCaffrey both reviewed and overhyped Halo 4 and Infinite using gaslighting tactics here on CZcams. Total paid shill.

    • @malazan6004
      @malazan6004 Před 9 měsíci +4

      It's still mind blowing it got 87 on metacritic to this day... not just infinite but other games show how shady critic reviews are.

    • @malazan6004
      @malazan6004 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@adamwegner2520why always bring Sony into it? I do agree though wasn't a fan of the sequel overall vs the original

    • @everythingsalright1121
      @everythingsalright1121 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Theres a reason gaming journalists got a bad rep. I tend to just trust user reviews...theyre the ones that paid for the game

  • @shroomanox
    @shroomanox Před 9 měsíci +2

    343 should not be trusted with Halo. They should open up the IP to indie developers the exact same way Warhammer has done, and let passionate developers make their own iterations.

  • @A7XKoRnRocks1
    @A7XKoRnRocks1 Před 9 měsíci +1

    That first slip space engine trailer in 2018 was HYPED af

  • @fondiblackpope9439
    @fondiblackpope9439 Před 10 měsíci +10

    SPLITSCREEN COOP ?????

  • @lonewolf-re2fg
    @lonewolf-re2fg Před 10 měsíci +3

    In my opinion, Infinites biggest mistakes were making it free to play and making the campaign open world. Making it free caused all of the bs monetization and customization issues. Having an open world severely limits the story and gameplay in sense actually taking away more than it adds. I also often hear people say the core gameplay is great but personally while I think the movement is fine I think the weapon sandbox is just absolutely terrible. Everything feels bad to use aside from a few weapons like the Battle Rifle. A game should be balanced by making everything feel good not by making everything bad. It feels like everything is meant to be overly competitive and no longer fun. I think they listen to competitive gamers too much in the industry these days and it sucks the fun out of everything because game developers are so worried about balancing and appeasing the vocal minority. I've been a life long fan and played Halo everyday for years but now it's something I hardly touch in a rare while. There's been no greater fall from grace than Halo in the entire entertainment industry. I always say, Halo had a foot in the grave and Infinite was supposed to pull it out and save it, but it dove in head first instead.

    • @igungfarben9612
      @igungfarben9612 Před 9 měsíci +1

      No splitcreen what a fing joke we had that back in 2001

  • @2009XboxLiveKid
    @2009XboxLiveKid Před 10 měsíci

    very good video, you voice reminds me of the PBS Series Nova. brings back memories :)

  • @stubblytuna4068
    @stubblytuna4068 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I was there in livestream during the 2020 showcase and the reactions were funny as hell😂

  • @wonderfred
    @wonderfred Před 9 měsíci +3

    343 has yet to make a good game

  • @youngrootv
    @youngrootv Před 10 měsíci +22

    You know what’s crazy, Halo 3 launched with campaign, forge, multiplayer, custom games, and theater mode. Way more content than a majority of the games today and somehow 343 can’t even do what Bungie was doing way back then. They ruined one of the biggest gaming franchises ever. They’re a failure of a gaming company in my eyes like what are they even doing in their offices?

    • @thaneros
      @thaneros Před 10 měsíci +7

      Its not a 1-to-1 comparison. Halo 3 was built on an already established engine on one console. Infinite was a new engine and was ported to 6 platforms(S/X/PC/One/One S/One X). Not to mention game development then is more complex than now.

    • @nekrositoh
      @nekrositoh Před 10 měsíci

      they are making gay sh1t like cat ears and rainbow colored light effect for the armors. when women go into leadership they fck everything that was made by men. look at what katheleen kennedy did to starwars. Incompetence is what has killed halo. letting "diversity" get into gaming only to make certain groups happy is stupid. We need talent and people that actually love what they do. remember that for halo 4/5 they were hiring people that "hated halo". 🤦🏻

    • @djlaw56what
      @djlaw56what Před 10 měsíci +1

      Now 343 sells halo cookbooks...

    • @Peer165
      @Peer165 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Bad leadership.

  • @nanomachines8023
    @nanomachines8023 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I, for one, still think that the singleplayer experience is one of the best in the franchise.

  • @Nerdvanna98
    @Nerdvanna98 Před 9 měsíci +1

    The worst thing about the decline of Halo is that fans have been let down too many times to even be mad anymore, now pure apathy has set in and nobody even mentions Halo. I'm pretty sure that no matter what 343I does with the franchise now, there's a massive amount of the fanbase that can't even be bothered to come back.

  • @JimHalpertFromTheOffice
    @JimHalpertFromTheOffice Před 10 měsíci +5

    Halo Infinite isn't very infinite.

  • @michelians1148
    @michelians1148 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Always funny how you guys say Kregg instead of Craig 😅

  • @TheTexan83
    @TheTexan83 Před 9 měsíci +1

    It wasnt that master chief wasnt the sole playabke charactor in halo 5. It was the facr that 343 swore up and down before release that he was the main charactor and you would play as hin for the majority of the game only for him to in 3 of the 15 missions and one of those was just walkig sround during a 'briefing' session.