@@boopieboi439 "I wonder if people get a mental high after they quote someone ... " eh, nope, guess not. But the quote is relevant, unlike your comment. Hey though, I wonder if people get a mental high when taking a thinly disguised sideways swipe at someone to make themselves feel smarter than they really are?
Yep that was me and one officer even demostated his handcuffs bet him I could get out of them and I won that bet I had a key for my cuffs my dad got me because i collected cop and military stuff as a kid lol
"B-b-but a five year old child might see that vest and think it's scary!" No, a five year old is going to see it and think it looks really fucking cool.
Since I was 3 years old until today I have a wall full of pictures with me and soldiers and officers. With all types of guns and gear. I love it and think it's badass. From France, Germany, Belgium, Italy... and more European countries. Belgium is my favourite, especially since they carry FN SCAR's 😂
I've always said that the more a person feels that they have to assert their authority, or basically saying "I'm the boss", the less qualified or competent they are to be in leadership.
That’s not what he said! He said he wasn’t going to allow that uniform that’s his decision as Chief! If they can’t follow orders they need to find another job maybe one where they can tell the boss what they will be wearing to work! But I doubt they will find it!
That why civil servants and politicians must be forced to take a civil service exam. Then present a resume of leadership roles they have held with in the community. They must also have at least 20 or more character references. I would also make it mandatory that the applicant go before a confirmation committee. Comprising of 9. Three people to discredit the candidate. Three people to prove the candidate a capable leader. Then three people who shall remain neutral but will vote for or against the candidate. If it is a politician who seeks an elected office. They would only be able to run for office after the have taken the civil service exam and receive a thumbs up vote from the civil service committee. I would also add that only the candidates who scored the highest in the exam should only be allowed to run for office.
@@samueljackson6188 then after putting them through all of that pay them 25 dollars an hour? 😂 let’s go to your job and make you jump through hoops see if you would do it. It takes better part of a year just to get in then another 6 months for an academy then another 6 months of FTO and you want more? Pay people more and you won’t get bums. Why don’t you apply and we can talk a year from now guy.
Randy Finfrock was totally thinking that from my military days. If you have to tell anyone I’m in charge they don’t respect your authority and talk made shit behind your back and dislike a lot of what you say and do other then this Molle issue.
Well maybe if they gave better equipment officers wouldnt look so dam intimidating its not to intimidate its to help complete the duties on a daily basis without such body injury specially on lumbar
@@mrbeanyup4175 They think they are. That's why they commonly refer to citizens as, "civilians." It's also why recruitment is prioritized for those with prior military service. They love the, "tacti-cool," "easily trained," followers.
andrew kb I’m a cop and I agree with Bobby. I think we’re gunna see a shift back to more traditional police uniforms. The truth like with a lot of things is the best solution is somewhere in the middle. The new uniforms are being made of flex materials for comfort and range of motion. It would be nice if they could sew a durable hidden pocket or two in the shirt to maybe get the radio off ur belt is a good comprise.
My favorite part was when this chief called out all his younger officers on a news report and basically called them entitled. I'm sure these officers really appreciate this Chief and his leadership.
Well if they don’t like it they can always find another job! You do what your Chief tells you period! You don’t go in the Army and start telling generals what orders you are and aren’t going to follow! If you don’t like the Chief rules find another job!
To bad half of the force is corrupt and/lazy. No one likes them no matter what they wear. The other half has to put up with the reputation that the first half gives them and now this stuff. Its ridiculous they have so much better stuff they could be doing instead of fighting about this season's vest.
As someone who was once vary delinquent as a teenager and into my 20's, I can tell you that the police's ability to intimidate me was probably what saved me on several occasions.
Yup, and the mere presence of a uniformed officer is part of the force continuum... a certain level of intimidation must be present otherwise the whole thing doesn't work.
@@dubber1416 it's not just the fucking vests. It's the military vehicles, low profile cop cars, and their attitude towards the general public. Back a few decades ago all they had was a 6 shooter, radio, nightstick and handcuffs. You now have cops that are simply indistinguishable from soldiers. All that equipment they got on makes then think they are the good guys and everyone who isn't a cop is the bad guys. They've developed an us VS them mentality and it's all because we let them play dress up as soldiers. The used to be someone you can easily run to for help. Now they've effectively made it clear to everyone that they are the last person you ever want to fucking see. How about instead of spending more money on police than china's military budget why don't we fucking teach these assholes to de escalate situations instead? I've heard so many horror stories of people calling the cops on family members who were mentally ill and out of control and they end up dead and they always say "I will never call the police ever again". Fuck off.
he made the right decision. especially during tyrannical times like this, we dont need cops to intimidate people and threaten to violate our rights. they have the exact same load-out whether or not they use a molle vest and most officers spend the majority of their shift sitting inside their car so back pain isnt a problem. when cops wear tactical vests and look like soldiers, they become more likely to violate peoples rights because they feel a sense of power over people.
@@deltashot5608 Back pain isn't a problem, said the guy...strap on a carpenter's belt with a whole bunch of awkward stuff attached, amounting to at least 15-20 pounds, even if you "just sit in your car all day," and get back to me in a few years. Who said MOLLE, there are vests that look like uniform shirts without the apparently scary loops. If you're "intimidated" by how people look, go see a headshrink. And when stuff goes bad for you or your significant other or your kids, who do you call? Ray Ray from the gas station, or the popo you hate?
@@deltashot5608 And you've worn a Sam Browne for exactly how long? Who said it had to be MOLLE, since apparently nylon loops scare you? And why are you scared by peoples' appearance, are you a flaming racist who doesn't like people based on how they look?
@@cmcd1008 personally im not intimidated by any cops because im a free man but there is an intimidation factor on the average sheep when cops look like soldiers and they force themselves onto people
Fire department- "We don't want people, especially children to be afraid of us in our turn out gear/bunker gear, so we will educate the public and interact with the public to calm them" Police department- "We don't want people to be afraid of us, so we're getting rid of the gear that can save our lives and help us do our jobs"
You are probably not too far off with that assessment. In order for the upper echelon of police administration to get to the levels they do over the course of 25 to 30 years, they typically spend very little time working in the lower ranks. This is especially so in a large department with many layers in the rank structure. A couple years as a patrol officer then a promotion to sergeant. A couple years as sergeant and then a promotion to lieutenant. So on, and so on. They don't get to spend any appreciable amount of time in the lower ranks doing the actual policing. They never get the road experience a veteran patrolman gets. They get moved up to being someone's assistant paper shuffler and spend the rest of their careers having very little clue what it's like to be on the street.
Guns are super intimidating lets get rid of those AMIRITE? What a absolute clown.... IM THE CHIEF I MAKE THE DECISIONS (from my desk where I havent patrolled in decades)
@@BretAllen1 Ego suit? They are going to be wearing identical gear on the duty belt as they were wearing on the tac rig. The policy serves no purpose and labeling all cops tyrants isnt edgy, its idiotic. 😂😂
“What it comes down to is that there are some young officers in the department who have never been said no to before” What’re you, their mother? This isn’t some mind game where you teach your sassy kids a lesson. This is about a cop’s life and his or her ability to effectively protect civilians. Removing a tactical advantage because it looks “scary” on a group of individuals that are there to protect us is just asinine
And to add to that, those "Group of individuals" don't even have the slightest clue about ANYTHING Law Enforcement related except for the basic "handles crime, carrys guns, arrests people"
This police chief thinks kids are scared of all the gadgets on their person? I beg to differ. Kids love this stuff. Other than the ones with parents that have trained their children to hate/be scared of police.
Even as a security guard I hate it when people come up to me and tell me their kid is being bad and ask me to scare them. Every one of those kids gets a high five, a smile, and a good chat. When the parents get mad I snap at them and tell them to stop teaching kids that uniforms mean they are going to be punished or that they should be scared of a person with a badge on. A person with a badge is the first person you want a kid to run to when they need help. Drives me nuts.
FFXPD took this same approach to thier fleet vehicles when they considered the Charger. They chose to not go with the charges cause they were to intimidating. I'll continue to were my outer vest for one of the best reasons, it's much easier to cool off in the summer, and it's more comfortable while in the car.
Children are naturally curious individuals, if they are scare then they have been taught to be by their parents. Kids go to cops more often than not because they believe them to be the good guy no matter what the cop has on his chest.
EXACTLY. I grew up watching cops on tv, the actual show, take down crack heads by body slamming them straight to the pavement. amen. using the taser was the highlight of any episode we used to laugh so hard! I admit I had a violent gene or two but who doesnt.
My son is a deputy Sheriff who had to have spinal surgery after two years on the job. The Sherrif also believed that vests were too "military looking" but changed his mind allowed them, with my son in charge of selecting new gear. As all deputies carry both pistols and AR-15s they chose equipment that allows pouches for extra magazines. Glad he works for a department that cares.
“We’re not soldiers...and molle vests can be intimidating.” Pulls rank 20 seconds later with expectations of following orders without questions by trying to intimidate officers.
Do not the cops do the same thing to everyone they encounter? Obey my orders without question and if you do not obey I will intimidate or beat you into compliance.
David Neubert People question and disobey cops all the time. And sometimes they do get beaten. Because they’d rather get beat up and dragged to jail rather then give the cop their drivers license. 🙄
@@rainbowmoon1461 Do you think cops should be able to use the threat of violence on someone that's not obeying every order given to them by a cop? What if you were in the right not to obey the cops orders? Do you think that the cop will be or should be criminally charged for their unlawful actions?
@@dublinoseven3279 Would you say that every order from an officer is a lawful one? And I was just pointing out the hypocrisy, the police want you to comply with every order that they give you without question, but those same officers don't like it when they get treated the same way. The only difference between these two situations is that if you question the officers orders the threat of violence is used against you; when an officer questions the Chief there is no threat of violence.
I have seen police wearing those vests interact with children, even in my church, and unless they acted intimidating with them, they didn’t see them any differently than anyone else, vest or no vest. The vests also work to prevent injuries and spinal damage overtime. So wearing their gear on their belt would not only do nothing to improve their image, but actually cause actual physical harm to them.
Considering when Second Chance first released their vests (I'm pretty sure they were the first widely available vests in use by law enforcement), I highly doubt that chief EVER wore body armor.
@@JustIn-op6oy Not to mention the guy that made them was a total badass. He wore the demo vest,shot himself,and then shot a target. You need some big brass balls to test something that hadn't been done like that.
True that the 5 year old sees that as awesome. However, those of us who know something about this country is that police should not look like soldiers and even being a military veteran should automatically disqualify you from being any sort of civilian law enforcement.
There’s a difference between “respect” and “forced respect.” This Capt catches me as: “because I said so” type of mentality. Not to mention how he forces his perspective probably because there is so much push back. “More bees with honey.” As far as tact vests being intimidating, that’s pointless. I would love to his study that was performed to be able to state this. Probably because there isn’t one and this is his own idea or forced hand by a bus load of Karen’s.
Where I work, on our police packages (Taurus and Explorer) we have to have the hubcaps because we were told the black steel wheels with chrome center caps were too intimidating and concerning to the public
The weight on the belt WILL affect the person wearing the heavy belt. After only about 10 yrs my hip and back IS paying the price. I think the vest helps in many ways.
I would have to agree with you. First off as a USMC vet I want to say thank you to all our law enforcement officers out there across the country you have a difficult job and in time right now I couldn't imagine being in this profession. Know you are appreciated and there is still a lot of good Americans who support you. I would think that when it come to what you need to carry your tools you should use what works for you just like the trades everyone uses different styles of belts boxes bags etc. Be safe out there people and keep up the good work.
HE IS ARE SO RIGHT, I HAD TO WEAR ONE FOR 3 YEARS BECAUSE I WAS IN A COMBAT FOB OVER SEAS. MEANING IM AT WAR 24 X 7, THE VEST REPERSENTS POWER TO A ARMY. GIVING A HIGH SCHOOL GRAD, OR A GED A BADGE AND GUN IS ........
My old department banned these and made sure we had issued belts and couldn’t use our own. Over a dozen back surgeries and more than 260k dollars to make up to things that happened because we couldn’t use them
Chief: it'll intimidate children Me: is this chief high? He must be, kids would be interested more than anything. That chief is acting like he's a hug-a-thug, and not a police chief.
There are some kids who are intimidated but that's the uniform, not the equipment. And it's usually because their parents or other influencers have taught them cops are bad.
Mini Maiden Allie Lmao "HUG a THUG perfect haha let's all try Hug a Thug for a day starting with that Chief.. Let's see how that works out for him...ha
@Adam Edward right. I see cops walking up to little kids all the time saying "BOO!" or pinching them or kicking them in the shin. Whatever it takes to condition them to be scared of cops. Gtfo here with that. The people around the kids every day condition the kids to be scared. From families in ghettos saying don't ever talk to police, run from them, they'll shoot you even if you have your hands up, all the way to a suburban mom telling little Timmy in the store "that police man is going to take you if you don't listen". Conditioning.
Because having crippled officers is a great idea! This guy is a hack... When you have to say "I'm the boss" it means you are not really in control. Good video Mike.
Ya, it’s just great how he goes on about how he is worried the vests are “militaristic and intimidating” then uses the “cause im in charge” type of line....making him look like a dictator.
If you’d lift something other than a donut 🍩, you wouldn’t have back problems there sport. 😉 Funny, cops did just fine for the last 100 years without an ego suit.
Be prepared for a lot of IOD retirees, that means injured on duty. Because you're afraid of what people may think instead of having officers prepared and having the best option Available to them! This Chief has no clue !!!
Sir. You are correct. I’m a deputy in Arizona and we use the Molle vest. I’m my opinion the outer carrier looks better, it breathes better and my waist thanks me at the end of the day. Thank you.
I wore a duty belt for 13 years and the result was horrible back pain and injury. I switched to the vest one year ago and it's been amazing to finally have hip and lower back relief.
I had the opposite experience. The vest caused back and shoulder pain. A properly fitted and distributed belt I believe is far better than putting everything on the front of your chest.
There are bigger issues to consider. The authorizing, equipping and use of tazers was first lobbied by police asserting they would only be used as alternatives to a firearm in use of deadly force incidences. Once they got tazers, they moved the goalpost and now use them as compliance tools.
Tell the Chief to leave there air-conditioned office every once in awhile. PS What's the difference if the child sees a taser on your midsection as opposed to your belt Chief?
Lots of people get nervous around law enforcement regardless of their uniform. Even though we do things to try to get people comfortable around us, there's always going to be people of any age who are "intimidated" around us. That's actually the first level of the force continuum, it's called "officer presence".
@@BryonLetterman Yep, and I believe that is because of the duties/powers given to LEO. LE is the one of the few entities in government that can legally punishes its citizens for when they make a mistake. So it makes sense for people to be cautious around LE. Its sorta like when a cop car gets behind you while you're driving, you sorta panic thinking, "Oh shit, is he gonna pull me over".
@@mikethecop I live here in Toledo and it's the public that has been speaking up. He doesn't want his LEOs taking it out on the public, because the public complained about it. That's why he took the stance of "I'm the chief & I say so". He's trying to move his department in a certain place but I think we both can agree, not everybody likes change... including both the public and the police.
@@theoriginalNoOne. and that is the little detail that changes the whole nature of the story. It is the omission of details like that in the media in general that alters our perception for the worst.
My first chief didn't allow tactical vests, either. The "shirt-style" carriers hadn't even been invented yet. He did allow us to wear external quilted carriers, which were very popular at the time. You never see those anymore. He also had a thing about pockets-cargo pockets, that is. He wanted you in slacks and that was the end of it. He allowed sap pockets, though. We actually carried saps in them ... but we weren't supposed to. He called them flashlight pockets, but we knew what they were for-saps & blackjacks & billies. Some of the guys would remove the patches from their uniform shirts and go "L.A. style," which just about gave the old man a stroke. He would start turning colors & bellow: "They're circumventing authority!" He retired & moved to Florida & bought a boat. Personally, I think cops look ridiculous nowadays & I don't know what the hell they use all that stuff for. I never carried a taser. My Freeze +P expired in 2001 & I never replaced it. ASPs are junk, so I carried a hardwood Monadnock straight stick ... and I carried a S&W Model 10 M&P .38 Special service revolver ... so there. Ya'll look like fucking astronauts, but whatever. We wore 8-point hats, too. And neckties.
Easy for the chief to say he doesn't have to risk his life and wear equipment everyday. I do and heavy duty belts mess up your back and stride. Chief should be ashamed he's no longer a cop and now a cubicle jockey
Maybe your back wouldn’t hurt if you lifted weights instead of donuts 🍩😂. Apparently none of you sissies ever had to carry a 100 lb ruck. Bitching about a duty belt and 3A armor!🤣🤣🤣
go wear a uniform every day do the job and maybe it'll make a little more sense. In my opinion admin staff are just office workers. They forgot what its like to be in harms way. Also Police nowadays are expected to do alot more, be medics, warriors, teachers, counselors, lawyers. When that chief was on the street everybody loved the police. He probably just carried a baton, gun and brought with him an ass whoopin everywhere he went, probably didnt even wear a vest. lol his reports probably read saw bad guy arrested bad guy. Policing has changed. The risks are higher to your life, wallet and freedom. As an old time copper used to tell me. Remember kid youre one call away from loosing everything you got. Chief should be supporting his staff looking for ways to make them better and well equipped to do the job.
To me the main issue is green vs blue. When the modern police was founded in the late 1800s by Sir Robert Peel, he insisted that the bobbies (British cops) only wear shades of blue, dark blue, etc to differentiate them from the army, which wore red. I don't like it at all when I see cops in the US wearing green like they are in the Army. Wear whatever tac vest you want, but don't wear green. In a republic like the US, we should have a clear and solid wall between police (domestic) and army (foreign wars).
"This is the Chief of the Fashion Police, those vest that make your job easier are sOOOoo out of style and like.. scary, omg lol." - Toledo Police Chief
I worked armed security for years and I did use several suspension systems to address the issues with the duty belt. They improved it drastically over nothing but nowhere near as much as an external carrier. But this is an easy decision to make for a person working a desk job and probably doesn't wear their full kit all day long. I can also tell you that a lot of kids think the tactical looking shit is cool.
I can't think of one time when I was 5 that I was afraid of the police, and I don't think a vest would change that. The only people afraid of a vest are people who want to shoot cops
@@averagewso Police are terrified if YOU wear a vest, are you saying they want to shoot all civilians? I get that some of them do (all ATF agents basically, though they love shooting dogs they will substitute with humans when dogs are unavailable). It seems double standard, I live in a state where its illegal to bear even a flintlock, so I'm pretty sure they would freak out at you trying to be safe (yet in the same sentence complain that you weren't wearing a seatbelt when they pulled you over). I don't get why anyone would be scared of you wearing anything from a bicycle helmet or a freaken Juggernaut suit when seemingly half the population is running around terrified with underwear over their faces, but oh no, you wear something that stops something actually dangerous and that's when people think you're crazy...
Can only say there are benefits. After coming home from war where 100lbs was the norm with what we carried, 5 herniated discs later, the vest was a relief. The Rank and File said hallelujah. Before we had the vests I cannot say how may times we had people call off due to lower back issues.
"I'm the Chief of Police, and I make the calls." Hey you do outrank everyone in that department, but that doesn't mean you should shatter moral, personal preference, and blatantly disregard personal health just because someone looks a little fast.
Or they could just quit, sue for health reasons, etc. He has orders he has to follow as well, consider new hires that will now look elsewhere, it all adds up.
That’s when you leave that department on the spot and find another career or better department, I got out the field because of this kind of crap everywhere I looked.
As a security officer that worked for a security company that got bought out by a bigger security company, and decided that the uniform needs to be "less tactical and provide a non threatening look to the public" by taking away the "scary vest" and the duty belt, I'd rather be intimidating looking than give a damn about what the public thinks. As long as I'm doing my job and the gear guarantees my safety then the argument ends there.
Listening to him talk made my brain hurt. I translated it to "scary man looks bad" next they won't be allowed to wear uniforms because it's too militarized.
If the cops are in your house chances are that the “5yr old” has already ’seen stuff’ and a tact vest is the least worries!!! Not necessarily, but 🤷🏻♀️!
If a scared little kids call the cops because his dad is abusive they are going to be so happy when they see some big, bulky cop show up at there door. They are going to feel safe and PROTECTED!
The built in suspenders built into the new style vest may help with back and hip pain when the officer is standing but it won't do anything for when the officer is sitting. Most officers spend a lot of their time in the seat of a patrol car. If the officer is having to place every piece of gear on their belts then some of the gear is going to have to go on the back of they duty belt. From my experience, any gear placed onto the belt that is further back from the kidneys creates pressure on your back when sitting. Some officers have small waists which means smaller duty belts. Smaller duty belts mean less room for equipment. I can almost guarantee the only thing the chief wears is a pistol and maybe one pair of handcuffs. Officers today have to carry a ton of equipment on their person. Obviously their gun but then you have less lethal i.e. taser or OC spray. Then a radio, flashlight, mulit tool, and any smart patrol officer will carry more than one pair of cuffs on them. Some officers also carry a tourniquet and a pouch for PPE medical gloves. Being able to wear an external armor carrier with molle is a great way for officers to carry the gear they need at all times on their person. I'm telling you all from experience that keeping anything in the small of your back is a HORRIBLE idea!
I’ve been a cop for over 30 years. The statement the chief makes “We have officers they have never been said no to before” really bothers me. If that’s the case, maybe the chief needs to look at who they’re hiring & retaining. If an officer had that type of attitude, they should have been weeded out during the academy or FTO. BTW, our department authorizes external carriers as an option, not mandatory.
Probably missed a chance for a reply but which style did you use do you agree or disagree with the chiefs opinion regardless of how it was presented?? Thanks for being a copper
I just retired after 28 1/2 years. I can tell you; at least in my department, in the last 10 years we've hired a lot of officers like that. Why?, because we and other departments across the country have lowered their standards and it is no longer important if they have the ability to do the job but whether or not you check certain boxes if you get my drift. As I have been told by those in our Command Staff, it is all about the "optics". This Chief is doing nothing more then placating to 1% that is the squeaky wheel... a true politician.
John Gross Cops “weeding out” other cops? 😂 Thanks for the laugh. Best joke you’ve told us so far. I, however, would love to see law abiding Police Officers “weed out” the Crooks On Patrol (COPs).
He doesn't care because he isn't on the beat and doesn't care about the back pain. The suspenders are complete crap. "They have to understand, I'm the chief of police and can make arbitrary decisions to placate the media."
@@joeymerrell8585: What is the "issue" here? It is a unilateral change in working conditions. Any union or guild worth its salt wouldn't allow such a thing to happen without concessions being won.
@@ava9oh1282000: Just makes me curious where this *really* came from. I view Sheriff > Police Chief since the latter is a lackey for the civilians who run the municipality, so I have to think the chief didn't let everyone wear such gear for so long and then suddenly roll out of bed and decide differently.
at a glance those vests look like they were literally styled to look like their shirts.......kinda hope that at least some took sick leave over this from back pain
It’s the lunatic world we are living in - back is front - front is back - typical manager who doesn’t have to feel the effects of his decision - put him on patrol again to remind him
I imagine old officers are probably more upset than the young ones. They are the ones who have been doing the job for years on end and probably don't appreciate their routine being changed for such frivolous reasons.
Dave Demo one of my co workers had to get surgery because all of his duty gear put a strain on a disk in his lower back. Now he wears a load bearing vest and he’s good to go. I think load bearing vests are great. Some people don’t want to embrace change.
I actually live in Toledo Ohio and he actually isn't wrong most cops out here get away with alot of shit. Like a buddy of mine got arrested at the mall due to "public intoxication" after only drinking one beer from a restaurant that's inside the mall.all because the cop saw us laughing and having "too much fun" in the food court
Positive image does matter. I personally don't see a problem as long as it doesn't negatively affect officer safety. I'd like to see some independent research on it rather than him just making a call.
End of the day, you work for the chief and he sets policy. You follow or find another job. That is why he is the boss and it's called work. My opinion means just that.....
As a rank and file patrol officer myself, I don't agree with everything that the Toledo Chief said, but I don't agree with everything you said either. Having been in the military most of my adult life and now having transitioned to a Sheriff's Deputy, I agree with the Chief that the militarization of our law enforcement is not what we should be moving towards. We are public servants first and foremost. When dealing with the public, perception is a very important thing, especially when we have to deal with some of these SWJ idiots. Now, it should NOT matter what we look like as long as we do our job well, but that is NOT the world we live in and protect. As for the 5 yo child that's gonna be intimidated by the 6'3" officer with a TacVest, I call bullcrap on that. No kid is gonna be scared by the positioning of the officer's gear, those 5 yo kids are gonna think that our gear is cool, so I agree, total cop out. However, the Chief made a good compromise with allowing the suspender system for the duty belts. Having used one in the military I can say that it accomplishes the same goal as the TacVest. And these comments about "I am the King"...the Chief hasn't said anything out of line. He works for the citizens of Toledo and the Mayor. The officers of the department work, in turn, under him. Basic Chain of Command. Assertion of Command is necessary at times to enforce good order and discipline. A good leader uses both assertion AND influence to guide those under him. The "because I said so" is sometimes part of leadership, though it should NOT be the only thing. Sorry man, but I don't see anyone bullying with this story. Keep up the great videos and stay safe out there!
But don't you think that kowtowing to the SJW's and (trying to avoid name calling) let's just say, those who have vested interests in hamstringing the police by claiming that police "scare" them (which we all know is a hustle) is making the problem worse? - I mean, I'm not a cop, but as an observer of human behavior who's been around over 50 years, it has always seemed to me that authority should be polite, civil and decent while also presenting as a force to be reckoned with, should one decide to offend society. -- I work with kids .... and nothing about the officers' equipment scares those kids because (at least in my neck of the woods) kids know cops are the good guys. -- And just because in some cultures, single moms raise their kids to hate and obstruct the police, instilling in them the preposterous notion that cops are racist murderers, out to abuse a badge, I don't think that's a good reason to reduce the options of an officer, all so he can seem less "intimidating." - I think it's safe to say that the presentation of law enforcement should be, "Hey, here comes a good guy, a defender of society and the peace ... but should I get out of line, he looks like he and the system that backs him up will swiftly and if need be, forcefully ensure that I don't get far with my decision to be anti-social. - Prioritizing a "disarming" look over effectiveness is, IMHO, just giving in to a very ideologically dangerous and sinister movement within society.
As a veteran myself, I'm not sure I understand what exactly the "militarization" of law enforcement is? Yes, appearance is important for community outreach. But the last the I checked the difference between LEO and military was what their job entailed, not what clothes they wore. The issue is not our appearance, it's the media painting cops who have more equipment on them than an old Rusty revolver and a shiny black hat as "militarized". Wearing a plate carrier or a molle vest isn't exclusively military. In fact, my hunting gear comes with molle. It's just an attachment system. I think it's a disservice to paint us as militarized off of little more than aesthetic.
Personally I dont think either way is more intimidating I really havent ever noticed the difference. It doesn't look more militaristic in my opinion it literally just holds the gear in a different position.
@@redtra236 - I agree. I see it as just another hustle. If you work with horses, when they're getting to know you, they'll try to step into your space. If you move back and let them, that tells them they can test you. - Same in the human world.
@@2ManyNamesTaken Why don't the cops just follow orders blindly like they expect the rest of us to do? Why is there a culture of people who feel like the cops are just there to abuse their power, because they have been the victims of such power. Why do the police have to fill a quota of inmates in the jails and prisons? I hope that you do have "good cops" in your neck of the woods but in the numerous places that I have lived and videos that I have seen, the police abuse their powers and violate the peoples rights most of the time. Why do the cops, prosecutors and judges have immunity when they trample someones rights? I thought that we all had the same rights and equal protection under the law?
I happen to think under-shirt armor and duty belt equipment holstering looks more professional than wearing an external vest, but that's just my preference. I think it just looks cleaner and sharper.
I have 35 yrs on the Job. Tac vests should be optional, but I never wore them. I never had problems wearing all my gear on a gunbelt. Never understood how taking all that weight off ur hips, and putting it on the spine, is better. Personally, I dont like wearing a diagram that says "Dont shoot me here." The Chief is also a good example of one of my favorite expressions, "Working the Street is fun, Admn is what kills you."
Spot on, Officer Mike. My experience in the Cdn Army, lo, those many decades ago, we were told that one salutes the rank of office; not the person. Salutes are mandatory; respect must be earned through leadership-ability.
Being intimidating “Looking” as a police officer is a good thing in my experience. Being able to deescalate a situation by your appearance and not having to use force of any kind is exactly what the police department should want.
Yeah, last I checked, being intimidating can help deter crimes and violence. I mean, who’s going to want to screw with someone they know can kick their ass? Knowing that police intimidate people makes them feel safer because it makes them safer through deterrence
@@the_omg3242 Eh....I watch a lot of police videos. It's about 50/50. Keep in mind that almost all these videos online are posted online for a reason. The 1000s of interactions everyday are mostly fine. I know great cops and I know bad cops irl. Basically I'm saying that just like watching to much local news and you'd think the world was ending. Watch enough police videos online and you think most cops DON'T deescalate.
I’m 44. I remember growing up in Tennessee and knowing the police officers in my community. They wore slacks, button up shirts, ties, and their hat. Their belts had a revolver, extra ammo, night stick, hand cuffs. Some had bullet resistance vests that were worn under their shirts. I live in Houston Texas. The cops in my community mirror what I looked like as a deployed Ranger. I don’t like it. I’m certainly not intimidated by them. I kind of feel sorry for them that they need so much crap. But hey, when you live in Houston and have cops that lie to get no-knock warrants and murder innocent people like the Pecan Park raid you kinda paint a target on your back.
"Any man who has to say 'I am the King' is no king" - Tywin Lannister.
I wonder if people get a mental high after they quote someone especially a made up character on a youtube video.
I am - da captain - NOW!
@@boopieboi439 "I wonder if people get a mental high after they quote someone ... " eh, nope, guess not. But the quote is relevant, unlike your comment. Hey though, I wonder if people get a mental high when taking a thinly disguised sideways swipe at someone to make themselves feel smarter than they really are?
@@unavailableusername9694 That is single handedly the best response I have ever read... Bravo👏👏
In this age of lawlessness our LEO's need all the help they can get.
Sees 6'3 cop in "scary vest"... Me as a five year old "Can I see your gun?"
Relatable
Ya all i would be thinking is “thats so cool!”
You have a excellent valid point
Me as a 5 year old...COOL!!!!!
Yep that was me and one officer even demostated his handcuffs bet him I could get out of them and I won that bet I had a key for my cuffs my dad got me because i collected cop and military stuff as a kid lol
"B-b-but a five year old child might see that vest and think it's scary!" No, a five year old is going to see it and think it looks really fucking cool.
Ik wtf I used to think the more gear the more badass they were
4 year old me had a cop come into our class, and one of my friends asked if we could see his gun, so no, kids aren't scared by body armor.
What a bunch of BS
Since I was 3 years old until today I have a wall full of pictures with me and soldiers and officers. With all types of guns and gear. I love it and think it's badass. From France, Germany, Belgium, Italy... and more European countries. Belgium is my favourite, especially since they carry FN SCAR's 😂
5 year olds are intimidated by Barney the dinosaur and Ronald McDonald
I've always said that the more a person feels that they have to assert their authority, or basically saying "I'm the boss", the less qualified or competent they are to be in leadership.
That’s not what he said! He said he wasn’t going to allow that uniform that’s his decision as Chief! If they can’t follow orders they need to find another job maybe one where they can tell the boss what they will be wearing to work! But I doubt they will find it!
That why civil servants and politicians must be forced to take a civil service exam. Then present a resume of leadership roles they have held with in the community. They must also have at least 20 or more character references.
I would also make it mandatory that the applicant go before a confirmation committee. Comprising of 9. Three people to discredit the candidate. Three people to prove the candidate a capable leader. Then three people who shall remain neutral but will vote for or against the candidate.
If it is a politician who seeks an elected office.
They would only be able to run for office after the have taken the civil service exam and receive a thumbs up vote from the civil service committee. I would also add that only the candidates who scored the highest in the exam should only be allowed to run for office.
2016-2020, so true.
@@chrishilburn5897 I wear what I want to work these jobs do exist just not when you work low end garbage
@@samueljackson6188 then after putting them through all of that pay them 25 dollars an hour? 😂 let’s go to your job and make you jump through hoops see if you would do it. It takes better part of a year just to get in then another 6 months for an academy then another 6 months of FTO and you want more? Pay people more and you won’t get bums. Why don’t you apply and we can talk a year from now guy.
Fact is, when you have to keep “reminding” your troops that you are “in charge”, you really aren’t, and they will not follow your lead.
Yep what I told my NCO one time. I'll respect your rank because the army says I have to but I don't respect you as a person.
Randy Finfrock was totally thinking that from my military days. If you have to tell anyone I’m in charge they don’t respect your authority and talk made shit behind your back and dislike a lot of what you say and do other then this Molle issue.
Well maybe if they gave better equipment officers wouldnt look so dam intimidating its not to intimidate its to help complete the duties on a daily basis without such body injury specially on lumbar
The police are not troops.
@@mrbeanyup4175 They think they are.
That's why they commonly refer to citizens as, "civilians." It's also why recruitment is prioritized for those with prior military service. They love the, "tacti-cool," "easily trained," followers.
When I was a 5 year old kid anytime I saw a cop's gear I thought it looked cool and wanted to be one...
@Bobby Brady found someone who's on the wrong side of the law
andrew kb I’m a cop and I agree with Bobby. I think we’re gunna see a shift back to more traditional police uniforms. The truth like with a lot of things is the best solution is somewhere in the middle. The new uniforms are being made of flex materials for comfort and range of motion. It would be nice if they could sew a durable hidden pocket or two in the shirt to maybe get the radio off ur belt is a good comprise.
@Bobby Brady How do you know? Are you a Cop?
I'm guessing he didn't like the vests because they didn't have a pouch for his tampons.
@Bobby Brady relax Robert, it was a joke. There's no such thing as an appropriate joke, that's why it's a joke!
My favorite part was when this chief called out all his younger officers on a news report and basically called them entitled. I'm sure these officers really appreciate this Chief and his leadership.
Well if they don’t like it they can always find another job! You do what your Chief tells you period! You don’t go in the Army and start telling generals what orders you are and aren’t going to follow! If you don’t like the Chief rules find another job!
i hope that Chief gets some "creamer" in his coffee in the mornings
@@chrishilburn5897And then the Generals wonder why Soldiers refuse to re-enlist
@@chrishilburn5897actually military law states you can deny orders if you think they go against the military standards or human rights …
@@chrishilburn5897the officers had valid reasons for wanting to keep molle vests. Chief was being a power tripping dick
Never been said no to...
This cheif thinks his officers are children.
So his reasoning is "I'm chief of police and I'm doing this so the public will like me more."
Perhaps he's more worried about his Democrat mayor liking him more.
I like his reasoning... it's about the same logic as the red flag laws, or the bans on certain firearms be ause they look scary.
To bad half of the force is corrupt and/lazy. No one likes them no matter what they wear. The other half has to put up with the reputation that the first half gives them and now this stuff. Its ridiculous they have so much better stuff they could be doing instead of fighting about this season's vest.
@@rudyschwab7709 dead on.
So the public liking the police isn’t important to you? Smells like tyrant in here...
Someone’s worried about losing his tacticool ego suit. 😂
As someone who was once vary delinquent as a teenager and into my 20's, I can tell you that the police's ability to intimidate me was probably what saved me on several occasions.
👍 A time for everything
Yup, and the mere presence of a uniformed officer is part of the force continuum... a certain level of intimidation must be present otherwise the whole thing doesn't work.
The way they looks makes me feel safe. If i see an officer in some "militaristic" equipment i know that they are specialized in their field
@@dubber1416 it's not just the fucking vests. It's the military vehicles, low profile cop cars, and their attitude towards the general public. Back a few decades ago all they had was a 6 shooter, radio, nightstick and handcuffs. You now have cops that are simply indistinguishable from soldiers. All that equipment they got on makes then think they are the good guys and everyone who isn't a cop is the bad guys. They've developed an us VS them mentality and it's all because we let them play dress up as soldiers. The used to be someone you can easily run to for help. Now they've effectively made it clear to everyone that they are the last person you ever want to fucking see. How about instead of spending more money on police than china's military budget why don't we fucking teach these assholes to de escalate situations instead? I've heard so many horror stories of people calling the cops on family members who were mentally ill and out of control and they end up dead and they always say "I will never call the police ever again". Fuck off.
@@ruaboutasize14 why do they need to fucking intimidate in the first place? This isn't Iraq.
When was the last time the chief wore a vest. And I love how he is like “ I’m the chief and what I say goes and I don’t care what you say”
He doesn’t get out of that chair of his. He’s never worn a vest.
Great leadership amirite? Bet he scolds on lower ranks because of his rank.
"Chief" should resign, he's totally out of touch. Manager at best, and not even a good one. Not a leader.
he made the right decision. especially during tyrannical times like this, we dont need cops to intimidate people and threaten to violate our rights. they have the exact same load-out whether or not they use a molle vest and most officers spend the majority of their shift sitting inside their car so back pain isnt a problem. when cops wear tactical vests and look like soldiers, they become more likely to violate peoples rights because they feel a sense of power over people.
@@deltashot5608 Did you even watch the video?
@@deltashot5608 Back pain isn't a problem, said the guy...strap on a carpenter's belt with a whole bunch of awkward stuff attached, amounting to at least 15-20 pounds, even if you "just sit in your car all day," and get back to me in a few years. Who said MOLLE, there are vests that look like uniform shirts without the apparently scary loops. If you're "intimidated" by how people look, go see a headshrink. And when stuff goes bad for you or your significant other or your kids, who do you call? Ray Ray from the gas station, or the popo you hate?
@@deltashot5608 And you've worn a Sam Browne for exactly how long? Who said it had to be MOLLE, since apparently nylon loops scare you? And why are you scared by peoples' appearance, are you a flaming racist who doesn't like people based on how they look?
@@cmcd1008 personally im not intimidated by any cops because im a free man but there is an intimidation factor on the average sheep when cops look like soldiers and they force themselves onto people
I had that exact same thought. I was like, “how is it intimidating on the vest, but not around the waist?” It makes no sense🤔😂
"No more duty belts, too intimidating!"
CZcamsr 10489 NA should probably do away with their guns too. I heard they scare criminals.
CZcamsr 10489 NA no more less than lethal. You have to now politely ask them to stop.
“Looks like a soldier” “militaristic” / those aren’t actual definitions those are opinions.
Exactly!!!!!!
Yes. Police are, by definition, a paramilitary organisation. God forbid they should look like social-workers in "pussy" hats!
Lol those are opinions? Tf?! You never played matching games as a child I guess
@@Kabal818 childhood matching games are indeed the defining factor
When I was 5 years old I was in love with military uniforms lol. Badass
Fire department- "We don't want people, especially children to be afraid of us in our turn out gear/bunker gear, so we will educate the public and interact with the public to calm them"
Police department- "We don't want people to be afraid of us, so we're getting rid of the gear that can save our lives and help us do our jobs"
In the eternal words of Tywin Lannister:
Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king.
"We are not a Military" "I am the Chief of police these decisions are mine to make, respect the chain of command".....
Don't get the cool "military" gear
Still gets the military bullshit
1, that union rep needs to be voted out.
2, he's enforcing his 'rule' on what the people in the community want!
Since when does the tail wag the dog?
Not the community. Just the loud few in the community.
Trash of a Union 🤦♂️give them there dues
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The way the chief talks, it’s like he was never an officer.
You are probably not too far off with that assessment. In order for the upper echelon of police administration to get to the levels they do over the course of 25 to 30 years, they typically spend very little time working in the lower ranks. This is especially so in a large department with many layers in the rank structure. A couple years as a patrol officer then a promotion to sergeant. A couple years as sergeant and then a promotion to lieutenant. So on, and so on. They don't get to spend any appreciable amount of time in the lower ranks doing the actual policing. They never get the road experience a veteran patrolman gets. They get moved up to being someone's assistant paper shuffler and spend the rest of their careers having very little clue what it's like to be on the street.
That's usually the case in public service. The ones that lead never did. Like a participation trophy for them. They like it.
The way the Cheif talks, it's like he's never been around any children, either.
Grey Gray guy talks like Bloomberg
He is like a gay diversity hire.
Guns are super intimidating lets get rid of those AMIRITE? What a absolute clown.... IM THE CHIEF I MAKE THE DECISIONS (from my desk where I havent patrolled in decades)
Wow, a lot of butt hurt tyrants in here, worried about losing their ego suit. 😂
Paratrooper I have to disagree that old man doesn’t look like he’s been on patrol in centuries
Nunya Bizness wow someone is but hurt because they got locked up.
@@BretAllen1 Ego suit? They are going to be wearing identical gear on the duty belt as they were wearing on the tac rig. The policy serves no purpose and labeling all cops tyrants isnt edgy, its idiotic. 😂😂
@@BretAllen1 ok so what is the difference between a taser being on the vest and not the belt? why are you scared of one and not the other?
“What it comes down to is that there are some young officers in the department who have never been said no to before”
What’re you, their mother? This isn’t some mind game where you teach your sassy kids a lesson. This is about a cop’s life and his or her ability to effectively protect civilians. Removing a tactical advantage because it looks “scary” on a group of individuals that are there to protect us is just asinine
I know your from the give them a trophy even though they lost generation
1st place trophy even though you were dead last so you dont bother to better yourself
Yeah fr hes literally saying that about police wanting reliability with their gear like its dick tbh
Disobeying superior officers is so brave.
Disobeying superior officers is how you get fired.
Residents should be heard by HIS superiors.
And to add to that, those "Group of individuals" don't even have the slightest clue about ANYTHING Law Enforcement related except for the basic "handles crime, carrys guns, arrests people"
Ah yes, when another Chief becomes more politician than officer.
A five year old child will be afraid of any unknown person.
Have you ever been around kids? Theres a reason you have to drill into them not to talk to strangers. They want to talk to everyone.
This police chief thinks kids are scared of all the gadgets on their person? I beg to differ. Kids love this stuff. Other than the ones with parents that have trained their children to hate/be scared of police.
Even as a security guard I hate it when people come up to me and tell me their kid is being bad and ask me to scare them.
Every one of those kids gets a high five, a smile, and a good chat.
When the parents get mad I snap at them and tell them to stop teaching kids that uniforms mean they are going to be punished or that they should be scared of a person with a badge on. A person with a badge is the first person you want a kid to run to when they need help.
Drives me nuts.
FFXPD took this same approach to thier fleet vehicles when they considered the Charger. They chose to not go with the charges cause they were to intimidating. I'll continue to were my outer vest for one of the best reasons, it's much easier to cool off in the summer, and it's more comfortable while in the car.
Children are naturally curious individuals, if they are scare then they have been taught to be by their parents. Kids go to cops more often than not because they believe them to be the good guy no matter what the cop has on his chest.
I remember a time when seeing two 6' 3" officers wearing Molle vests and gear would inspire children to want to become law enforcement.
David Bennett 100%!! Too bad I only got to 5’9.......the military was a good runner up though. It all worked out
@James Sloan That's why most cops act like 5 year old boys and not men. They're now enamored with themselves.
@@theprofessorfate6184 Most cops? That's a bold statement. I say you're just an idiot.
You forgot to say "no homo " lol
EXACTLY. I grew up watching cops on tv, the actual show, take down crack heads by body slamming them straight to the pavement. amen. using the taser was the highlight of any episode we used to laugh so hard! I admit I had a violent gene or two but who doesnt.
Police in Toledo in a year: freeze and give me a minute to dig through my purse for my gun and handcuffs
My son is a deputy Sheriff who had to have spinal surgery after two years on the job. The Sherrif also believed that vests were too "military looking" but changed his mind allowed them, with my son in charge of selecting new gear. As all deputies carry both pistols and AR-15s they chose equipment that allows pouches for extra magazines. Glad he works for a department that cares.
“We’re not soldiers...and molle vests can be intimidating.”
Pulls rank 20 seconds later with expectations of following orders without questions by trying to intimidate officers.
Do not the cops do the same thing to everyone they encounter? Obey my orders without question and if you do not obey I will intimidate or beat you into compliance.
David Neubert People question and disobey cops all the time. And sometimes they do get beaten. Because they’d rather get beat up and dragged to jail rather then give the cop their drivers license. 🙄
David Neubert Lawful orders and chain-of-command orders, especially in the workplace, aren’t the same thing. You knew that already.
@@rainbowmoon1461 Do you think cops should be able to use the threat of violence on someone that's not obeying every order given to them by a cop? What if you were in the right not to obey the cops orders? Do you think that the cop will be or should be criminally charged for their unlawful actions?
@@dublinoseven3279 Would you say that every order from an officer is a lawful one? And I was just pointing out the hypocrisy, the police want you to comply with every order that they give you without question, but those same officers don't like it when they get treated the same way. The only difference between these two situations is that if you question the officers orders the threat of violence is used against you; when an officer questions the Chief there is no threat of violence.
If the vests were florescent pink, they should be approved. No one would dare say that looks too militaristic.
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No they would probably have to be rainbow colored to satisfy the LGBT wxyz alphabet people..
@eixid Why pretend to be a tree when you can be hot pink.
Exactly they should be neon blue and safety green. They would be hi viz and definitely wouldn't be intimidating.
@@SiFiFreak True, it not how dangerous you are, it's how dangerous you look. That's what important now-a- days.
Toledo chief: tactical vests are intimidating... never mind the firearm on the hip!
That's probably next...
I have seen police wearing those vests interact with children, even in my church, and unless they acted intimidating with them, they didn’t see them any differently than anyone else, vest or no vest.
The vests also work to prevent injuries and spinal damage overtime. So wearing their gear on their belt would not only do nothing to improve their image, but actually cause actual physical harm to them.
Coming from a dude who’s so far up he hasn’t worn a vest in years...
Give em mk 7 master chief armor IDC.
Well said.
Considering when Second Chance first released their vests (I'm pretty sure they were the first widely available vests in use by law enforcement), I highly doubt that chief EVER wore body armor.
@@JustIn-op6oy Not to mention the guy that made them was a total badass. He wore the demo vest,shot himself,and then shot a target.
You need some big brass balls to test something that hadn't been done like that.
@@WingedHassar cops in mjonir armor. Hell the fuck yes.
When a 05 years old sees a cop looking like a soldier, he doesn't get intimidated, he thinks that's awsome!
What are the top things kids used to wanna be? Police, firefighter, astronaut. Idk where this intimidation factor came from.
it depends on whether or not the cop is arresting their parents
And Veterans see them as tyrants.
True that the 5 year old sees that as awesome. However, those of us who know something about this country is that police should not look like soldiers and even being a military veteran should automatically disqualify you from being any sort of civilian law enforcement.
When I was a kid I thought all the stuff they’ got on was awesome
The only thing this "Chief" left out was "It's good to be the king". Instead, he stopped at "because I said so".
0:56 they aren't even those big ass plate carriers. It took me a second to realize they had a vest on.
There’s a difference between “respect” and “forced respect.” This Capt catches me as: “because I said so” type of mentality. Not to mention how he forces his perspective probably because there is so much push back. “More bees with honey.”
As far as tact vests being intimidating, that’s pointless. I would love to his study that was performed to be able to state this. Probably because there isn’t one and this is his own idea or forced hand by a bus load of Karen’s.
Yea he sounds like a Democrat to me
That comes with being a CHIEF ; it’s always poop poops that got something to say
Opps, I think you ment to say "a bus load of Carens" 🤣 "That's Karen with a C!"🤣🤣🤣 A now classic Mike the cop video.🤣👍
Take care luv. 😁💐
Where I work, on our police packages (Taurus and Explorer) we have to have the hubcaps because we were told the black steel wheels with chrome center caps were too intimidating and concerning to the public
@@MRodrigues421 geezus, when will just stop, lol.
The weight on the belt WILL affect the person wearing the heavy belt. After only about 10 yrs my hip and back IS paying the price. I think the vest helps in many ways.
Absolutely
Agreed
Like belts are so clumsy, and in my opinion harder to run in.
Yes indeed it does. Suspenders helps but the vest is by far better.
4 years and my back already needed surgery
When I look at this guy I can almost see the emotional abuse his wife gives him lol
He wouldn't be emotionally abused by his wife of he wasn't such a bitch.
There’s about a 40% chance you got that backwards...
I would have to agree with you. First off as a USMC vet I want to say thank you to all our law enforcement officers out there across the country you have a difficult job and in time right now I couldn't imagine being in this profession. Know you are appreciated and there is still a lot of good Americans who support you. I would think that when it come to what you need to carry your tools you should use what works for you just like the trades everyone uses different styles of belts boxes bags etc. Be safe out there people and keep up the good work.
Dude, that 5 year old would probably think those 2 cops look like the coolest thing he's ever seen so far.
I can only imagine what that department's officers were saying about this guy. What an embarrassment.
HE IS ARE SO RIGHT, I HAD TO WEAR ONE FOR 3 YEARS BECAUSE I WAS IN A COMBAT FOB OVER SEAS. MEANING IM AT WAR 24 X 7, THE VEST REPERSENTS POWER TO A ARMY.
GIVING A HIGH SCHOOL GRAD, OR A GED A BADGE AND GUN IS ........
My old department banned these and made sure we had issued belts and couldn’t use our own. Over a dozen back surgeries and more than 260k dollars to make up to things that happened because we couldn’t use them
Chief: it'll intimidate children
Me: is this chief high? He must be, kids would be interested more than anything.
That chief is acting like he's a hug-a-thug, and not a police chief.
There are some kids who are intimidated but that's the uniform, not the equipment. And it's usually because their parents or other influencers have taught them cops are bad.
Mini Maiden Allie
Lmao "HUG a THUG perfect haha let's all try Hug a Thug for a day starting with that Chief.. Let's see how that works out for him...ha
@@minuteman3279 thanks my mom came up with it to call gov. Tom Wolf. i can't remember what he did to deserve that title.
@Adam Edward right. I see cops walking up to little kids all the time saying "BOO!" or pinching them or kicking them in the shin. Whatever it takes to condition them to be scared of cops. Gtfo here with that. The people around the kids every day condition the kids to be scared. From families in ghettos saying don't ever talk to police, run from them, they'll shoot you even if you have your hands up, all the way to a suburban mom telling little Timmy in the store "that police man is going to take you if you don't listen". Conditioning.
I wear an external carrier and kids love it. They think it’s cool.. not scary
Because having crippled officers is a great idea! This guy is a hack... When you have to say "I'm the boss" it means you are not really in control. Good video Mike.
Ya, it’s just great how he goes on about how he is worried the vests are “militaristic and intimidating” then uses the “cause im in charge” type of line....making him look like a dictator.
If you’d lift something other than a donut 🍩, you wouldn’t have back problems there sport. 😉
Funny, cops did just fine for the last 100 years without an ego suit.
@@BretAllen1 hyuck hyuck hyuck, sick burn there, Farva.
Be prepared for a lot of IOD retirees, that means injured on duty. Because you're afraid of what people may think instead of having officers prepared and having the best option Available to them! This Chief has no clue !!!
Sir. You are correct. I’m a deputy in Arizona and we use the Molle vest. I’m my opinion the outer carrier looks better, it breathes better and my waist thanks me at the end of the day. Thank you.
Sounds like a Chief who has a masters degree in Liberal Arts, came up the ranks in admin.
A reminder that the second amendment guarantees every law-abiding American citizen the right all offensive and all *defensive* arms
How the hell does this apply to molle vest policy...?
@Fransico Buttersworth Aged like milk. Look at NY.
I wore a duty belt for 13 years and the result was horrible back pain and injury. I switched to the vest one year ago and it's been amazing to finally have hip and lower back relief.
I had the opposite experience. The vest caused back and shoulder pain. A properly fitted and distributed belt I believe is far better than putting everything on the front of your chest.
Same....life saver. I don't have lower back pain anymore.
There are bigger issues to consider. The authorizing, equipping and use of tazers was first lobbied by police asserting they would only be used as alternatives to a firearm in use of deadly force incidences. Once they got tazers, they moved the goalpost and now use them as compliance tools.
Tell the Chief to leave there air-conditioned office every once in awhile.
PS What's the difference if the child sees a taser on your midsection as opposed to your belt Chief?
Lots of people get nervous around law enforcement regardless of their uniform. Even though we do things to try to get people comfortable around us, there's always going to be people of any age who are "intimidated" around us. That's actually the first level of the force continuum, it's called "officer presence".
The difference was stated: "I'm the Chief and I make decisions and you need to learn to live with that."
This is what happens when some career housemouse gets put in charge.
@@BryonLetterman Yep, and I believe that is because of the duties/powers given to LEO.
LE is the one of the few entities in government that can legally punishes its citizens for when they make a mistake. So it makes sense for people to be cautious around LE. Its sorta like when a cop car gets behind you while you're driving, you sorta panic thinking, "Oh shit, is he gonna pull me over".
Apparently he thinks the "webbing" on molle is scary lol
“We wouldn’t want to intimidate anyone.” Ok, bud.
Nunya Bizness ummmm. What? Lol
@@mikethecop I live here in Toledo and it's the public that has been speaking up. He doesn't want his LEOs taking it out on the public, because the public complained about it. That's why he took the stance of "I'm the chief & I say so".
He's trying to move his department in a certain place but I think we both can agree, not everybody likes change... including both the public and the police.
@Dereck Patton thanks for the info I was wondering why the change would have even been mentioned in the news and not just handled internally
@@BretAllen1 I respect the police and I want them to intimidate criminals.
@@theoriginalNoOne. and that is the little detail that changes the whole nature of the story. It is the omission of details like that in the media in general that alters our perception for the worst.
Every child I've seen on duty with my vest on were every more excited and curious about my gear. I've never seen a child intimidated
My first chief didn't allow tactical vests, either. The "shirt-style" carriers hadn't even been invented yet. He did allow us to wear external quilted carriers, which were very popular at the time. You never see those anymore.
He also had a thing about pockets-cargo pockets, that is. He wanted you in slacks and that was the end of it. He allowed sap pockets, though. We actually carried saps in them ... but we weren't supposed to. He called them flashlight pockets, but we knew what they were for-saps & blackjacks & billies.
Some of the guys would remove the patches from their uniform shirts and go "L.A. style," which just about gave the old man a stroke. He would start turning colors & bellow: "They're circumventing authority!"
He retired & moved to Florida & bought a boat.
Personally, I think cops look ridiculous nowadays & I don't know what the hell they use all that stuff for. I never carried a taser. My Freeze +P expired in 2001 & I never replaced it. ASPs are junk, so I carried a hardwood Monadnock straight stick ... and I carried a S&W Model 10 M&P .38 Special service revolver ... so there.
Ya'll look like fucking astronauts, but whatever.
We wore 8-point hats, too. And neckties.
Maybe they should start banning spoons when officers fail physicals too.
Easy for the chief to say he doesn't have to risk his life and wear equipment everyday. I do and heavy duty belts mess up your back and stride.
Chief should be ashamed he's no longer a cop and now a cubicle jockey
They are volunteers. Nobody drafts cops
I would think running would be a lot easier with a vest!
Maybe your back wouldn’t hurt if you lifted weights instead of donuts 🍩😂.
Apparently none of you sissies ever had to carry a 100 lb ruck. Bitching about a duty belt and 3A armor!🤣🤣🤣
go wear a uniform every day do the job and maybe it'll make a little more sense. In my opinion admin staff are just office workers. They forgot what its like to be in harms way. Also Police nowadays are expected to do alot more, be medics, warriors, teachers, counselors, lawyers. When that chief was on the street everybody loved the police. He probably just carried a baton, gun and brought with him an ass whoopin everywhere he went, probably didnt even wear a vest. lol his reports probably read saw bad guy arrested bad guy. Policing has changed. The risks are higher to your life, wallet and freedom. As an old time copper used to tell me. Remember kid youre one call away from loosing everything you got.
Chief should be supporting his staff looking for ways to make them better and well equipped to do the job.
To me the main issue is green vs blue. When the modern police was founded in the late 1800s by Sir Robert Peel, he insisted that the bobbies (British cops) only wear shades of blue, dark blue, etc to differentiate them from the army, which wore red. I don't like it at all when I see cops in the US wearing green like they are in the Army. Wear whatever tac vest you want, but don't wear green. In a republic like the US, we should have a clear and solid wall between police (domestic) and army (foreign wars).
I hope it doesn't get to this point. "Oh no....we can't look intimidating....I guess we will have to just use FORCE instead to get things done."
"This is the Chief of the Fashion Police, those vest that make your job easier are sOOOoo out of style and like.. scary, omg lol." - Toledo Police Chief
Blake S. that’s so xxxx right now.
Hahaha
This is just like banning certain types of stock on an AR
This happened at a hospital i worked at, with the same excuse. I resigned from the security dept a few months later.
I worked armed security for years and I did use several suspension systems to address the issues with the duty belt. They improved it drastically over nothing but nowhere near as much as an external carrier. But this is an easy decision to make for a person working a desk job and probably doesn't wear their full kit all day long.
I can also tell you that a lot of kids think the tactical looking shit is cool.
New headline: Police Chief makes uniform decisions based on feelings of five year olds.
Should change from five year olds to the feelings of the chief
I can't think of one time when I was 5 that I was afraid of the police, and I don't think a vest would change that. The only people afraid of a vest are people who want to shoot cops
@@averagewso Police are terrified if YOU wear a vest, are you saying they want to shoot all civilians? I get that some of them do (all ATF agents basically, though they love shooting dogs they will substitute with humans when dogs are unavailable). It seems double standard, I live in a state where its illegal to bear even a flintlock, so I'm pretty sure they would freak out at you trying to be safe (yet in the same sentence complain that you weren't wearing a seatbelt when they pulled you over). I don't get why anyone would be scared of you wearing anything from a bicycle helmet or a freaken Juggernaut suit when seemingly half the population is running around terrified with underwear over their faces, but oh no, you wear something that stops something actually dangerous and that's when people think you're crazy...
Lmfao
This “administrator” strikes me as the type of satellite officer that always arrived on scene after the real work was done. He ain’t no Chief.
Lol
In my department we call them pigeons. They shit on everything and leave. .
Can only say there are benefits. After coming home from war where 100lbs was the norm with what we carried, 5 herniated discs later, the vest was a relief. The Rank and File said hallelujah. Before we had the vests I cannot say how may times we had people call off due to lower back issues.
Wonder how much he got "refunded" when they overpaid for the new vests 😉
"I'm the Chief of Police, and I make the calls."
Hey you do outrank everyone in that department, but that doesn't mean you should shatter moral, personal preference, and blatantly disregard personal health just because someone looks a little fast.
its politics and optics. hes doing it for himself.
Or they could just quit, sue for health reasons, etc. He has orders he has to follow as well, consider new hires that will now look elsewhere, it all adds up.
@@Rekhan4242 It's not that black and white. If that was the case they wouldn't have a police force.
Could not agree more.
That’s when you leave that department on the spot and find another career or better department, I got out the field because of this kind of crap everywhere I looked.
As a security officer that worked for a security company that got bought out by a bigger security company, and decided that the uniform needs to be "less tactical and provide a non threatening look to the public" by taking away the "scary vest" and the duty belt, I'd rather be intimidating looking than give a damn about what the public thinks. As long as I'm doing my job and the gear guarantees my safety then the argument ends there.
Listening to him talk made my brain hurt. I translated it to "scary man looks bad" next they won't be allowed to wear uniforms because it's too militarized.
If the cops are in your house chances are that the “5yr old” has already ’seen stuff’ and a tact vest is the least worries!!! Not necessarily, but 🤷🏻♀️!
Nunya Bizness sounds like someone has some personal issues
If a scared little kids call the cops because his dad is abusive they are going to be so happy when they see some big, bulky cop show up at there door. They are going to feel safe and PROTECTED!
The built in suspenders built into the new style vest may help with back and hip pain when the officer is standing but it won't do anything for when the officer is sitting. Most officers spend a lot of their time in the seat of a patrol car. If the officer is having to place every piece of gear on their belts then some of the gear is going to have to go on the back of they duty belt. From my experience, any gear placed onto the belt that is further back from the kidneys creates pressure on your back when sitting. Some officers have small waists which means smaller duty belts. Smaller duty belts mean less room for equipment. I can almost guarantee the only thing the chief wears is a pistol and maybe one pair of handcuffs. Officers today have to carry a ton of equipment on their person. Obviously their gun but then you have less lethal i.e. taser or OC spray. Then a radio, flashlight, mulit tool, and any smart patrol officer will carry more than one pair of cuffs on them. Some officers also carry a tourniquet and a pouch for PPE medical gloves. Being able to wear an external armor carrier with molle is a great way for officers to carry the gear they need at all times on their person. I'm telling you all from experience that keeping anything in the small of your back is a HORRIBLE idea!
This police chief is in a dream world. He’s not the one out in the streets. It should be up to the cops on the street what they want to wear
Not a cop, but I actually like the look of the vest.
Hitman Hardy when became a LT. I offered the other vest because my officers we complaining about the molly vest
Absolutely
Hitman Hardy sane here my hometown pd wears them. Look at @chinopolicedept on Instagram. They have the best look
Hitman Hardy there’s a difference between looking “cool” in your eyes and someone else’s think about other demographic neighborhoods
James Wilkins I think whatever helps the officer perform their job the best is what they should have access to.
I’ve been a cop for over 30 years. The statement the chief makes “We have officers they have never been said no to before” really bothers me. If that’s the case, maybe the chief needs to look at who they’re hiring & retaining. If an officer had that type of attitude, they should have been weeded out during the academy or FTO. BTW, our department authorizes external carriers as an option, not mandatory.
Probably missed a chance for a reply but which style did you use do you agree or disagree with the chiefs opinion regardless of how it was presented?? Thanks for being a copper
(they should have been weeded out during the academy) Yes, in my class we started out with 33 and at graduation, only 8 of us graduated.
I just retired after 28 1/2 years. I can tell you; at least in my department, in the last 10 years we've hired a lot of officers like that. Why?, because we and other departments across the country have lowered their standards and it is no longer important if they have the ability to do the job but whether or not you check certain boxes if you get my drift. As I have been told by those in our Command Staff, it is all about the "optics".
This Chief is doing nothing more then placating to 1% that is the squeaky wheel... a true politician.
@@SR-dh1vj Agreed, and thank you for your 28 plus years of service. Hope you enjoy a long and pleasurable retirement.
John Gross
Cops “weeding out” other cops? 😂 Thanks for the laugh. Best joke you’ve told us so far. I, however, would love to see law abiding Police Officers “weed out” the Crooks On Patrol (COPs).
Here is more people making rules regarding something they don't participate in.
He doesn't care because he isn't on the beat and doesn't care about the back pain. The suspenders are complete crap.
"They have to understand, I'm the chief of police and can make arbitrary decisions to placate the media."
"This is not a union issue."
Aaaaaactuallly, with strong guild leadership, it absolutely should be.
Steve Jordan police unions are a major issue people have with cops today.
@@joeymerrell8585: What is the "issue" here? It is a unilateral change in working conditions. Any union or guild worth its salt wouldn't allow such a thing to happen without concessions being won.
@@joeymerrell8585: And by "any union" I mean in any industry, not just law enforcement.
@@Tumwater02 right? Bet the officers are out of pocket too...
@@ava9oh1282000: Just makes me curious where this *really* came from.
I view Sheriff > Police Chief since the latter is a lackey for the civilians who run the municipality, so I have to think the chief didn't let everyone wear such gear for so long and then suddenly roll out of bed and decide differently.
He sounds like he's on a power trip. Would not want to with with him
at a glance those vests look like they were literally styled to look like their shirts.......kinda hope that at least some took sick leave over this from back pain
It’s the lunatic world we are living in - back is front - front is back - typical manager who doesn’t have to feel the effects of his decision - put him on patrol again to remind him
What I heard was “my officers’ health is not important enough to change my mind about a weak public.”
Sounds like a control issue that the Cheif has personally.
10000%
As a retired firefighter I can relate to this. When a chief has men and women under them that want to kick the chiefs ass, that is a chief problem.
When I was a kid some cops came to my house with those vests and I didn’t think they were intimidating. I saw them as resembling knights
Holy shit.. that chief literally just had an "Ok Boomer" moment for that "some young officers never heard no"
Alex Martinez 😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
I imagine old officers are probably more upset than the young ones. They are the ones who have been doing the job for years on end and probably don't appreciate their routine being changed for such frivolous reasons.
@@DaveDemo3 I highly doubt this chief was on patrol for very long, if at all.
Dave Demo one of my co workers had to get surgery because all of his duty gear put a strain on a disk in his lower back. Now he wears a load bearing vest and he’s good to go. I think load bearing vests are great. Some people don’t want to embrace change.
I actually live in Toledo Ohio and he actually isn't wrong most cops out here get away with alot of shit. Like a buddy of mine got arrested at the mall due to "public intoxication" after only drinking one beer from a restaurant that's inside the mall.all because the cop saw us laughing and having "too much fun" in the food court
Personally, I feel safer when I see LEOs with MOLLE vests
thats because you dont carry a weapon because you want the police to defend your life for you instead of you defending your own life like an adult
Same. It makes it seem they are more ready for the job.
Positive image does matter. I personally don't see a problem as long as it doesn't negatively affect officer safety. I'd like to see some independent research on it rather than him just making a call.
End of the day, you work for the chief and he sets policy. You follow or find another job. That is why he is the boss and it's called work. My opinion means just that.....
As a rank and file patrol officer myself, I don't agree with everything that the Toledo Chief said, but I don't agree with everything you said either. Having been in the military most of my adult life and now having transitioned to a Sheriff's Deputy, I agree with the Chief that the militarization of our law enforcement is not what we should be moving towards. We are public servants first and foremost. When dealing with the public, perception is a very important thing, especially when we have to deal with some of these SWJ idiots. Now, it should NOT matter what we look like as long as we do our job well, but that is NOT the world we live in and protect. As for the 5 yo child that's gonna be intimidated by the 6'3" officer with a TacVest, I call bullcrap on that. No kid is gonna be scared by the positioning of the officer's gear, those 5 yo kids are gonna think that our gear is cool, so I agree, total cop out. However, the Chief made a good compromise with allowing the suspender system for the duty belts. Having used one in the military I can say that it accomplishes the same goal as the TacVest. And these comments about "I am the King"...the Chief hasn't said anything out of line. He works for the citizens of Toledo and the Mayor. The officers of the department work, in turn, under him. Basic Chain of Command. Assertion of Command is necessary at times to enforce good order and discipline. A good leader uses both assertion AND influence to guide those under him. The "because I said so" is sometimes part of leadership, though it should NOT be the only thing. Sorry man, but I don't see anyone bullying with this story. Keep up the great videos and stay safe out there!
But don't you think that kowtowing to the SJW's and (trying to avoid name calling) let's just say, those who have vested interests in hamstringing the police by claiming that police "scare" them (which we all know is a hustle) is making the problem worse?
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I mean, I'm not a cop, but as an observer of human behavior who's been around over 50 years, it has always seemed to me that authority should be polite, civil and decent while also presenting as a force to be reckoned with, should one decide to offend society. -- I work with kids .... and nothing about the officers' equipment scares those kids because (at least in my neck of the woods) kids know cops are the good guys. -- And just because in some cultures, single moms raise their kids to hate and obstruct the police, instilling in them the preposterous notion that cops are racist murderers, out to abuse a badge, I don't think that's a good reason to reduce the options of an officer, all so he can seem less "intimidating."
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I think it's safe to say that the presentation of law enforcement should be, "Hey, here comes a good guy, a defender of society and the peace ... but should I get out of line, he looks like he and the system that backs him up will swiftly and if need be, forcefully ensure that I don't get far with my decision to be anti-social.
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Prioritizing a "disarming" look over effectiveness is, IMHO, just giving in to a very ideologically dangerous and sinister movement within society.
As a veteran myself, I'm not sure I understand what exactly the "militarization" of law enforcement is? Yes, appearance is important for community outreach. But the last the I checked the difference between LEO and military was what their job entailed, not what clothes they wore. The issue is not our appearance, it's the media painting cops who have more equipment on them than an old Rusty revolver and a shiny black hat as "militarized". Wearing a plate carrier or a molle vest isn't exclusively military. In fact, my hunting gear comes with molle. It's just an attachment system. I think it's a disservice to paint us as militarized off of little more than aesthetic.
Personally I dont think either way is more intimidating I really havent ever noticed the difference. It doesn't look more militaristic in my opinion it literally just holds the gear in a different position.
@@redtra236 - I agree. I see it as just another hustle.
If you work with horses, when they're getting to know you, they'll try to step into your space. If you move back and let them, that tells them they can test you.
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Same in the human world.
@@2ManyNamesTaken Why don't the cops just follow orders blindly like they expect the rest of us to do? Why is there a culture of people who feel like the cops are just there to abuse their power, because they have been the victims of such power. Why do the police have to fill a quota of inmates in the jails and prisons? I hope that you do have "good cops" in your neck of the woods but in the numerous places that I have lived and videos that I have seen, the police abuse their powers and violate the peoples rights most of the time. Why do the cops, prosecutors and judges have immunity when they trample someones rights? I thought that we all had the same rights and equal protection under the law?
The vest also takes the weight of equipment off of the hips and onto the shoulders. This is a serious issue over time.
Luke Smith Sadly that police chief doesn’t deserve to be in the position he’s in.
Yeap...i need a hip replacment.
I hope the city of Toledo is willing to pay the insurance for cops that suffer back problems later in life.
I happen to think under-shirt armor and duty belt equipment holstering looks more professional than wearing an external vest, but that's just my preference. I think it just looks cleaner and sharper.
"I make the rules! No one else's opinion matters!"
Very effective leadership style here. The officers don't matter, just the chief of police.
He seems very cocky about his job
I have 35 yrs on the Job. Tac vests should be optional, but I never wore them. I never had problems wearing all my gear on a gunbelt. Never understood how taking all that weight off ur hips, and putting it on the spine, is better. Personally, I dont like wearing a diagram that says "Dont shoot me here." The Chief is also a good example of one of my favorite expressions, "Working the Street is fun, Admn is what kills you."
Spot on, Officer Mike. My experience in the Cdn Army, lo, those many decades ago, we were told that one salutes the rank of office; not the person. Salutes are mandatory; respect must be earned through leadership-ability.
Being intimidating “Looking” as a police officer is a good thing in my experience. Being able to deescalate a situation by your appearance and not having to use force of any kind is exactly what the police department should want.
Yeah, last I checked, being intimidating can help deter crimes and violence. I mean, who’s going to want to screw with someone they know can kick their ass? Knowing that police intimidate people makes them feel safer because it makes them safer through deterrence
YA ITS ALL GOOD UP TILL THEY START ABUSING PEOPLE
@@jonzoppa7593 I always seen them walking around town beating civilians with their vests. Soooo glad they got rid of them.
When did any american cop ever try to deescalate any situation? Look at all the traffic stops that turn into fatal shootings on CZcams.
@@the_omg3242 Eh....I watch a lot of police videos. It's about 50/50. Keep in mind that almost all these videos online are posted online for a reason. The 1000s of interactions everyday are mostly fine. I know great cops and I know bad cops irl. Basically I'm saying that just like watching to much local news and you'd think the world was ending. Watch enough police videos online and you think most cops DON'T deescalate.
I’m 44. I remember growing up in Tennessee and knowing the police officers in my community. They wore slacks, button up shirts, ties, and their hat. Their belts had a revolver, extra ammo, night stick, hand cuffs. Some had bullet resistance vests that were worn under their shirts. I live in Houston Texas. The cops in my community mirror what I looked like as a deployed Ranger. I don’t like it. I’m certainly not intimidated by them. I kind of feel sorry for them that they need so much crap. But hey, when you live in Houston and have cops that lie to get no-knock warrants and murder innocent people like the Pecan Park raid you kinda paint a target on your back.
Charles T well spoken !!!