Suzuki GSX-8S vs KTM 790 Duke | Ultimate Middleweight Shootout!!
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2023
- The Suzuki GSX-8S is the newest middleweight contender to arrive on the scene and has been winning awards since its arrival! However KTM have brought back the 790 Duke this time manufactured by CF Moto in China and its exactly the same price as the Suzuki!
But the question is of course, which one is best??
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Had an 890 duke and loved it but the niggles started oil leak water leak , engine cutting out randomly front break pulses at low speeds . So Greg is spot on with his assumption if it’s your own money go with the Japanese bike . Great work boys keep them coming
my made in japan honda leaks as well
@@Supernova12034had a Fireblade with the known crankshaft problem (2008-2010) my 890R is perfect so far
just tighten those bolts and coolant hoses and you're good to go.
@@Supernova12034same thing happened to me😢
What year was your 890 Duke? Maybe those issues have been resolved? I have a 2020 390 Duke and haven't had any issues. I've only done 5,600km on it though.
For me - it was the 8S that took my heart and money. Love my bike - not only is the KTM built in China and the 8S in Japan, but the 8S has the bi-directional quick shifter as standard and you have to pay over £200 more for one on the KTM. One of the main selling points of the 8S is it’s high build quality and comfort. It’s my only bike, so I think the extra bit of comfort of the 8S is the smarter bike since I tour, commute and have fun on it. Great all round package. Now we just need Suzuki to make an 8RS; tuned fully-faired with clip-one on the 8S’ platform.
Honda 750 Hornet enters the chat room.
The GSX 8R is coming in 2024
@@johncleland2332how much do you think price increase for the R? Upwards of 10k maybe?
@krummdiddlyumptious1784 no idea, maybe just under or a little over $10k. We will see around March
@@krummdiddlyumptious1784 MSRP in the US is under 10K USD, so hopefully not. My 2023 8S was discounted 1500 USD so I grabbed that deal, especially since the seat is more comfy than the KTM, and I don't have to pay for a quickshifter, and my trade offer was a LOT better than the KTM dealer's offer.
The made in China thing is a bit of a red herring, the ones made in Austria are not exactly renowned for their reliability either
Agreed. I’d trade build location for potentially better build quality any day. If your head gasket goes you won’t be thinking I’m glad it’s made in Austria.
@@deadfishpartyspot on
CF Moto is a good manufacturer. The days of none computerized manufacturing processes are gone in China - Mainstream China. Now if you want to talk political motivation wells that a horse of a different color, mainly red and communist and they have become a serious rival to the western world's domination over commerce, military and space. Do we want to feed them more money? IDK, but then again why are so many companies going to them to produce whole bikes, engines, parts, etc? And maybe that's a good thing too bc difference between countries like russia and n korea, they have not much to lose attacking us, where as China's ship would sink faster than the Titanic. And if it's one thing the Chinese are about, it's money and business. It just so happens their form of Gov't is commuism and it seems to work for them. Recall they have what 1.4biilion people? That over 4 times more people than the US has at 330M people. And I'm not so sure anymore that our form of Gov't is working so well....we are in some form of bad juju dysfunction since the conservatives have taken over.
The same here in the United States. Quality control is not what it should be on CFMoto. You need to live close to a CfMoto dealer If you want to try one out.
@@jeremyd8778exactly!
Just bought the 8S. I've never ridden any motorcycle I've ever owned up to 100% of its potential, including the SV650 I currently have. I think the 8S will be the same, tons of usable power and more than I'll ever need.
How does the sv650 compare to the 8s for enjoyment and just to live with ? Both are bikes I’d like to own. I’m currently on a cb500f for commuting year round .
@@nickclarkukI don't pick up the 8S until tmr. The SV is an amazing fun machine with a great engine, unfortunately I haven't been able to get on with the suspension on it, despite upgrading it. I rode the 8S and the hornet on a test ride and the 8S felt better to me. The hornet is great to, but it felt "small".
@@nickclarkuk I'm upgrading from a CB500F and have been looking at the SV650, 8S, MT900 and Z900. Too many decisions lol
@@user-nf6us8no3mThe 8s is in a different category than the Z900 & MT-09. Can’t go wrong with any, but I’d vote the 8s. Saves some of the mystique and excitement of more power for the future.
Got white gsx8s and I’m not disappointed, there are lots of faster more powerful bikes but 8s is perfect for me and my riding style.
White looks best imo
Ciao da Roma , le nostre GSX 8S sono bellissime 💞
Love the Suzuki bombproof, it will do 100k miles no problem. In the real world it will keep up with any bike.
@@marksimpson5218I think the thing a lot of people should keep in mind is that a 5 or even 10% difference on paper isn’t going to mean jack in real world riding for the average person. Who cares if the other guys bike is 0.5 seconds faster around the track, you ain’t going to ride it that fast lol
kinda love the blue... And black looks good too, stealthy.... white was my least favorite but glad to hear ppl love it ;). Saddest one is still the grey 2024... ^^'@@bhok1971
I test rode the 890 Duke and the GSX-8S. I preferred the Suzy and bought a blue one last Saturday, trading in my 2023 CBR650R.
Kevin hopefully you’ll see this I’m currently trying to decide whether to buy the 8s or CB650r the naked one why did you switch what were your reasons thanks in advance
Any reason to pick a GSX8s over an mt-09 if price isn't a factor?
Maybe if you prefer a 2-Cyl sound. Other than that, the MT09 is better in every way possible @@seandaliege
@@brandonbennett9271do you ride a lot of countryside and city? Pick the 8S. Do you like the 4cyl sound and top end performance on high speed roads pick the CB650R.
I currently have a CB650R and it's a very nice bike don't get me wrong. But I now need something with more "useable" power down low and more torque. So I'll probably switch to the XSR900 or Svartpilen 801 this year.
Hope this helps. :)
I'm actually between the gsx 8s and the street triple 765 after test riding both. Such a hard decision.
Sunday morning viewing sorted again Chops 😊👍
Love these comparisons that Greg and yourself do......and your thoughts on the machines echo my sentiments exactly.......if I was putting my own money down then it would be on that GSXS8.
Love this comparo format !
The head to head format you have now is a great addition. Something I think about as a long time multiple Suzuki owner, is the historic racing heritage they have with the likes of Sheene and Schwantz, and that counts for a lot with me and something a Chinese bike will never have.
KTM doesn't compete in MotoGP and many other bike events? Also, so what, aren't Triumph manufactured in Thailand? KTM is Austrian first and foremost, manufacturing overseas is something else, lots of brands do that.
@@vladplaysmetal2548 It’s great to have choices isn’t it?
@@Jimo368A Japanese bike made in Japan is great feeling. I’m glad Suzuki did this with the 8S and the 8R.
The Kove?
Great video. Having owned a KTM890R Duke from new and recently sold it, the day after which the valve cover gasket failed on the new owner(out of warranty but to be fair my KTM dealer replaced/ repaired FOC asa goodwill gesture)the only thing that I would be weary of would be reliability.I wanted to get a 3rd year warranty but Ktm don't do them but is standard on the Suzuki, one of the reasons I sold it.Although an all new bike and having test ridden the Suzuki for a WHOLE day, there is no doubt in my mind I would go for the Suzuki, better riding position, better dash and I really liked the delivery of the power from the GSX-8S(crap name)'s engine. Would very much like to see a video done of a "day in the life of lamb chops"video as a CZcamsr etc and what it entails.....🤪
All the negative reliability comments about KTM. A load of BS from mostly non KTM riders. If any other brand breaks down its no problem because the dealer will fix it, but if it's a KTM...oh boy do we need to be whining about that... but oh boy what fun machines do they produce there at KTM👍
Another top class comparitive review.Thanks a mill.
for my style of riding I’d probably get the ktm, but I really like how to gsx looks. Less like a toy, more like a grown up tool.
Nice video chaps!❤
Great review guys!
Great fun review as always, thanks. The 790 is not available where I love and I bought the Suzuki over the base model KTM 890. I like the relaxed position and nature as I mostly ride around the city and there is still plenty of excitement for the odd weekend ride.
Thanks for your brilliant content Chopsy.
Glad you enjoy it buddy 😁👍
Another great vid furk##g fantastic looking forward to the sustan pass cause it was shut when we tried it avalanche 👍👍
The bloke at the railway crossing, must of thought you was talking to yourself! Great vid chops.
Great review as ever, thanks for posting.
First up, noticed you’ve changed your intro’ which is no bad thing. You’ve lost the scene with you head butting the rock when on the off road bike; liked that!
With regard to the review, couldn’t agree more. The KTM may have performance edge but it’s marginal and depends on riding styles & priorities. I’d buy the Suzuki for looks, fit & finish, brakes and suspension. And….it’s made in Japan (I believe).
As an aside, what brand of bike gloves is Greg wearing…..or are they flash Aldi ski gloves?
Great job both of you. :)
Great job as usual guys , giving me Waldorf & statler vibes 👍👍
Thank you, I think hehe 👍
Brilliant bike test guys and like you guys the KTM is a bloody great bike. And to be honest it fits my 6’00” 20 body fairly well too. I’ve not tried the Suzuki but if it fits me I’d prefer to buy the Suzuki for myself. Might be it’s because I already own 2 Suzuki’s (and 2 Hondas) and I do love the reliability of my Suzuki’s too. That made in China thing I’m sure would not go away for me.
Great job guys thanks👍
17mins in. Would love if that guy said " do you know who I am, I am ronny pickering "..😂
I bought the Hornet in March and absolutely love it.
Really wish they’d bring this to the states
Always love these comparisons, your best content imo, how do you think the tuono 660 compares? I kind of see it in a group of its own between these and the mt07 etc (which I have) and the 765s, mt09, 890s
I do enjoy those videos keep it up😀
Great review Chopsy ,good to see you and Greg having great fun on those two bikes .I think the long run will make folks minds up regards the Chinese involvement , but a load of bikes are made all over the planet now probably to avoid the VAT man .😁😁 two decent real world fun bikes .👍
Great mixing your video with the adverts good job,
Best moto vlogger duo
Looked like a amazing trip 😎👍
Didn't know the GSX8S was a V4 🤔 😂 (1min 43s in).
Be great if it was. Great video as always Chops. 👍
I guess playing Top Trumps helps pass the time for KTM owners while their bike is back at the dealer awaiting its latest repair!
I bought the 8S as my commute bike to get into London, its spot on for that. Best thing is I am saving £6.3K a year on my train season ticket, so can justify a second bike for the weekend ride.
The 8S is just always a little bit better in every comparison… I know… because I’ve got one & its fantastic 👌
I own the grey 790 duke and it's an amazing machine. My only complaint would be the tyres which were shot after 2000 miles. Michelin Road 6 fitted now and they take the bike to another level.
As always great vid👍 my question though is if that's your budget £7999 and that was it 1 bike to do everything would you buy one of those or would you look at a second hand bigger/better spec bike? Might make an interesting vid for us poor folk!
Went with the 790 since KTM were offering £1k off and free QS so no brainer for me.
The guy in that Hyundai estate 😂 Next time pass him a mic and ask him what he thinks of the chinese made bike! 😂
Haha yeah, should have got him involved 😄👍
If I wanted a weekend plaything I’d buy the ktm, but for commuting as well, there’s only one bike I’d buy. Ktm need to up their reputation for reliability and service.
Love these comparison tests, although in my opinion would spend the £7999 on a 2 year old Street triple 765rs. Cheers Choppsy and Gregorio
When you throw used bikes into the mix any bike is possible though. Even a 1290 duke
Always look forwards to a bit of Chopsy on a Sunday morning.
Hey Chop's great review again maybe you could try and get a ride and a review of the new
CF Moto 800 NK
Another great & entertaining comparison. I really like the GSX8S so I'm biased tbh but I would chose it over the KTM simply because I know it would be more reliable over the 3 or 4 years I had it on finance. However the KTM is definitely a better bike in pretty much ever area seemingly.
The suzuki does look a good bike, i have the ktm and love that too, its a bit unfair how people call ktms unreliable for no reason other than rumours though.
@@LeeB132 lol sweetheart it's not a rumor. KTM doesn't warranty their R models past ONE year. Even they know they're unreliable. Your valve cover gasket will start leaking.
@@LeeB132 Well you can only say as you find & if yours has been reliable then good & I hope it stays that way. However, I've seen & heard about a lot of KTM's with issues regarding finish & leaks etc. Suzuki also has a 7 year / 70,000 mile warranty if you get it serviced by an official Suzuki dealer annually. I think KTM only offer a year which isn't reassuring or good enough imo. Austrian built KTM's have their issues & I have my doubts that a Chinese built one will be any better. Time will tell I guess.
@@subzero-ku2wx bla bla bla bla bla
@@LeeB132 lol 10k miles on my 890 R and the cams are eating themselves. That's the story for many of us. It'd be the PERFECT bike if it wasn't eating itself to death. 🔜🏍️💩💨
Good job, what a bike!
About Suzuki gsx 8s,
Could you tell me how to reset (bring back to zero) information of the trip1 or 2 ? What button and how used it
Another great comparison form you and Greg, I had assumed your appreciation of Suzuki’s mech build quality would always swing your vote Chops. I see someone commented on the 8S QS is standard which would be the final nail in the KTM for me. On a side note Could I request an updated “living with the GSXR “ vid from Greg as keen to see if still loving it and if had any issues ?
Yeah good idea mate 👍
Guys, can you telle me your setup for video and audio ? A love the result. Especially the audio with the white/bleu shoei helmet.
Great video chops,for reasons unknown my previous comments have been removed?
390 DUKE & ADV is made in india, i had the ADV. Other than poor quality fixings it was a cracking bike..
Loved this video boys..
Unexpected cameo by the car guy at the train crossing 16:40 - should've asked him which one looked better to him.
Haha I should! 😄👍
Be interesting to compare it to the 800 CF Moto roadster as they are made in the same factory, it’s cheaper than the KTM, but same engine and frame. That would be good to see how they compare.
Brilliant review Chopsy. Both great bikes but probably comes down to a personal choice. I test rode a 790 recently and must say was blown away. Handling and engine was superb and build quality up there with other manufacturers. I expect if you look on any bike forum you’ll see reliability issues with all makes, not just KTM
Keep them coming mate
👍👍👍
well said im fed up with ktm getting a bad rep for no reason, i have the new ktm duke and its been faultless.
Perceived build-quality is different than actual reliability.
@@subzero-ku2wx that’s true, I’m just going on experience having owned 2 KTMs and have had no major problem with either, just usual wear and tear and also realising that all manufacturers seem to have niggles with most models
@@bencatt6246 As a brand KTM seems to do a lot of things right, and makes a bike viscerally engaging like no other. But the 790/890 platform just eats itself alive.
@@subzero-ku2wx hahaha yep. Good point😂
I own a KTM 1290 SDR Evo and got the four year warranty but I have to say, despite owning it and loving it in this test I’d go with the Suzuki. The Japanese bikes might be a bit unimaginative at times but they’re bullet proof and that’s a massive plus point I think.
Traitor 😂
We had a 2014 and 2015 sdr, traded them in 2021 to 2 new SDR1290s... Did almost all the service and maintenance work on the older ones. Basically they still are easy do-it-yourself bikes but got lazy with the new ones and have let the dealer do the servicing. No big issues up until now yet (exept the 2014 had the rear axle replaced as warranty item - there was a small play that I didn't notice but it was done anyhow by the dealer).
Oh, there was: Indicator switches were replaced (they were trash from new) and one recall (for 3 electric wires) was done.
@iivaridark6850 yeah my 2023 sdr evo no issues whatsoever. I let it sit in garage for 3 months no leaks started right away. Everything is perfect on it except monthly payments hahahah
I own a 4 month old 2023 790 (in the far nicer orange colour) and so far it’s not broken. I hope it doesn’t because it’s great to ride.
My indicator switch housing had a screw only half done up but other than that it seems ok so far. That was the only thing I could find so far that wasn’t assembled right.
Always been a fan of suzuki motorcycles owned 8 over the years,
But looking at it alongside the KTM that's got my vote,
I'm not saying I'd buy one. I'm very sceptical about KTMs reliability , knowing my luck if I bought any KTM, I'd have the Built on a Friday afternoon the one last of the assembly line ,you know the one / problematic one,
Great video, still enjoying the jokes 😊
Good review guys.. I think if I had to choose one it would be the Suzuki personally.. Chops you should review other CFMoto bikes 😊 👍👍 Pete
Yes I will 👍
Sad the Hornet isn't in this test as I bought one and love it but thinking about it these are £8000 bikes the Hornet is a £7000 bike so what about a test with the CFMoto 800Nk vs the Hornet as both are 7 grand. Btw before the Hornet I had a 390duke for 6years and never really had an issue with it.
the 790 is currently £6999 including quick shifter/ blipper
A lot of bikes have been assembled in China, including some Suzuki's, and a lot of parts have been, and are made in China. Just because of that, it doesn't mean they are made to a lower standard, even Chinese owned bikes (or at least some), are very well made, Keeway/Binelli for instance (owned by the same group). China can make them cheaper in part due to almost city sized manufacturing plants.
Who cares if it’s manufactured in china? It would be a difference argument if the bikes were designed and manufactured in china. Surely it’s just a case of the Chinese workers at the KTM factory building the bikes to the exact spec and blueprints provided by KTM HQ.
Another good review Chops, "real world" comparison as not all of us can afford a V4s Ducati or 1250 BMW. Having said that, I'm contemplating a 2012 KTM 990 SM-R and if anyone can shed some light on reliability issues, it would be very appreciated.
I test rode the Gsx 8s 750 hornet And the 790 duke recently
The quickshifter didnt work propertly on the ktm demo bike and i found the throttle more jerky than the susuki. The s8 just feels more relaxed and smoother throttle and less aggressive overall. looks better too imo and more reliable the dash is also better. Yet to test out the aprilia 660 so that will be the next one
Id rate them 1st suzuki
2nd 790 duke
3rd honda hornet
But all still good bikes cant go wrong with any of um.
Did you have a go on the aprilia?
@@_Makanko_ sorry late reply no i didn't head some bad reviews on reliability so bought the gsx 8s
@@davewestsk8 Nice, enjoy it!
I'd love a KTM, but every time I go to a bike meet, I make a point of asking KTM 890 Duke owners about reliability. I've heard of cracked dashes and water leaks. When have you heard of that on Suzuki?
I`ll take japanese built bikes over chinese ones any day of the week.
Cool video, thanks ! I really enjoy your content mister :)
Says a lot about KTM in terms of reliability that it's so bad now they are prepared to start building them in China in the hope there is an improvement.
Came here dead set on a 790 Duke, but leaving here looking for a deal on an 8S......
Loving the comparison videos with Greg. Can we have more please? 🙏
we need a greg vs chops comparison :)
A question about camera settings. You are the only CZcamsr that captures speed. How? I’m going 100 and it looks like 30. You go 50 and it looks like you’re about to take flight.
Either one of those would be fun, i'd probably take the Suzuki if it's more comfy because i'm of a certain age now and that matters. Fun all the way for not too much money
Like that u added the specs when u introduced the bikes. Saved me having to search up the specs myself. Sorry I’m a lazy ass. 😝
Glad it helped 😁👍
How about a CFMoto 800NK? It looks a lot better than the KTM and it's only 6999 GBP in Britain. Built in China isn't a problem. They make good engines. CFMoto give you a four-year warranty.
Great video, lads. Nick J
Looks like you have got your chest protector on upside down at the end of the vid Chopsy, widest bit goes at the bottom with the cut outs for your arms at top.
What's up with the LCR loco flash in the middle of the video? We know the channel we watching!
Tip, suzuki weight is with all fluids and ready to go for 202kgs. That why it isn't as heavy as people tought. And checking ktm too. :)
I wish we had a monster poped in, as it was my comparision, with Tuono 660 that was kind of on another league.
Nice video tho.
Loved torque oriented GS8S, but still went with higher reving monster (937) for same price. But 8S is really torquy without beeing janky and its cool.
The low/mid torque of the Suzuki is the biggest selling point for me. Suzuki tends to focus on the low and mids a lot and even for advanced street riders, (whatever that means), maybe with the addition of a couple extra teeth on the rear sprocket, that could be a lot of fun, especially on the 8R. Plus Made in Japan, you can’t beat that, IMO.
This video established that a heavyweight rider on a slightly faster bike will be about as quick as a lightweight rider on a slightly slower bike.
Humour aside, the conclusion was well-stated. Bike reviewers may love to rave about KTMs but when having to actually spend their own money on a bike they'd sensibly opt for another brand instead.
Which is best in your opinion for comfort on rough roads in Kent, including the Hornet 750?
I really like the 8S, would love to own the blue version.
I have to say, no more new ktm for me! Had the first 790 Duke for 3 years and selled it due to the high amount of engine failures! Also had the problems like pulsing brakes and oil + cooling leak. The 8s isn't the prettiest bike but I will give it a try the next days.
Well with up to a 7 year warranty for the Suzuki, providing you get your bike serviced at an official Suzuki dealer - I would take the Suzuki.
Got my 8S last week and I love it so far
Expect the fact the speedometer is off , what a miss by Suzuki
Good review.
Ridden both
& both impressive.
Ktm for me.
An important fact was missed.
Yes the Ktm is made in China by CF Moto , which as you highlighted may put potential purchasers off, , but CF Moto have the confidence to offer a 4 year warranty on their own models ( Ktm is 2 yrs ).
That says everything to me & I would not hesitate to buy the Ktm 790.
Suzuki does six years on the brand new models though... might as well pick suzuki then?
Let's not forget BMW manufacture in certain things in China, like the 900cc parallel twin.
+10 hp, -10kg, more advanced electronics.... what else??? ❤
The electronics not being guaranteed on KTMs?
I hope cfmoto nk800 will be released and you can review it side by side with duke790, they have the same engine, it is from china
When are you gonna test the MT09SP Chopsy?!
Going to try and pick one up Wedsnesday 🤞👍
I have a 2023 790 Duke. This Maschine is insane. Would never trade it. Style, sound, driving. for me perfection
I have my 2030 790 it's very well made. Still early but I have put 1500 Mike's on it in about 30 days blissfully. It is a bit rough at low speed in traffic mainly because the short lower gears
100% with Greg!
I haven't ridden either but the GSX8S would be my choice. The elephant in the room isn't necessarily the fact that it's built in China, it's the fact that too many report issues with KTMs anyway. That alone would put me off buying one.
The 390ies are made in India. So many companies do this. Factories in China, India, Thailand etc. And the components used, such as brakes, ABS, injection and other bits and pieces are made in these countries aswell.
Thank you for a well made film. (I'm a happy 790 Duke owner)
witch bike has more comfortable riding position as far as leg position?
so what is the Final Price of the KTM? If its all in for 8K then fine but with possibly 2k of Electronic Extras forget it (definitely worth doing though)
800 nk review request ❤
Be interested in your thoughts about the suspension on the 8S. Needed to part with a few $$'s to get the SV to the point where the suspension was good for my 95kg weight. I'm hoping I don't have to do anything with the suspension for the 8S.
I had a Suzuki SVF650, the suspension on the mid Suzulis is pretty poor. Non adjustable and harsh. Probably better at your 95kg than my 82kg since they make it too hard normally, I think they believe westerners are all fat.
It’s a budget bike with budget suspension
Gear4 near Peterborough are doing brand new Duke 790 brand new for £6,999 alot of bike for the money and if its your first big bike your going to be well chuffed
I grabbed a pre-owned 2019 Duke (Austrian Assembled) in 2020 with roughly 6000 miles and it has the coolant leak issue that I still need to have addressed.
You have to compare the 800DE against the 790 Adventure please.
My main interest is how the engines of the Duke 790 and the Hornet compare? Track day/high speed riding performance is a lower priority for me thanks to my old age/bad eyes so engine performance/character will more accurately determine how much I will enjoy the ride. Additionally from watching many comparative videos it always seems like the reviewers are having more fun on the Hornet (?).
My comment/question about the roll-on test is gear to gear how close are the actual RPM's? I know the Suzuki has significantly shorter gearing than the Hornet but not sure if it has the same (easily altered) mechanical advantage over the KTM. Also curious how different actual unit cost would be if you had to pay for all the different options you get with the "as tested" demo mode?
I’ve had my Hornet since April, 2600 miles on, I’m happy to say my wee beastie can do it all. Throttle can feel a bit choppy at slower speeds but I find it easier riding slower in sport mode & trundling around in a higher gear. Commuting is easy as bike is quite small & if you want to go quicker the engine is happy to oblige. Recently covered 230 ish miles in a day & bike performed faultlessly. Overtaking on A & B roads is a doddle & the Hornet is getting approximately 60 to 65 mpg. I’m really pleased with bike. I have seen a few GS8s out & about & really like the look of them too but for me the price was the clincher. I paid extra for the SC end can & quick shifter & pleased I did, the overall package is very good.
i want to see engine mods for the Suzuki. cams would help that mid to top end
I have owned two KTMs and both were reliable, however they are higher maintenance than Japanese bikes. The worst two new bikes I have ever owned were Japanese, one a Kawasaki and the the other a Yamaha. My point is any of the manufacturers can build reliable and unreliable bikes. Not in the market at the moment but when the time comes I would certainly consider another KTM.
If a GSXR is a Gixer, then is a GSXS is a Gixes
"Did you ever have to make up your mind, pick up on one and let the other one behind. It's not often easy, not often kind. Did you ever have to make up your mind". For those of you who may not recoginze, Lovin Spoonfuls 1966