You can see how bad was porpoising in 0:14 , it literally made Leclerc unable to go full throttle he was going between 97-100% throttle due to porpoising lol
@@ryanchivwara5013they understood how to exploit the porpoise effect to make the car have INSANE rotation in the corner entry phase, they basically delt with the porpoising on the straights so they could run the floor in a range where the downforce levels were a lot higher throughout the corner. Porpoising wasn’t effecting the cars post breaking faze and middle/corner exit. Only on prolonged straights. If you understood the regulations as originally written you would’ve come to the conclusion that the porpoising was gonna be there but if you wanted a car to truly generate the downforce from the floor you had to “deal with it” until you got to the corners and could force it away because of suspension dive/good damping (front compressed rear extends, forces the car into a state of dive and breaks the porpoising effect) Ferrari KNEW that was gonna be the way to go, Mercedes did too, they just got it wrong and decided to lobby for the floor edge change to get rid of it under “safety grounds”
Every other team taking T9-10 in 6th gear at the lowest while Max takes it only going down to *7th* in ‘23. Good showcase on how far development has come as well as how good that RB19 was.
@@thespeakersreview990 chance.You could give the RB20 a 5 second gap and it will still beat the RB20 by a landslide.20 seconds gap worst case,60 seconds gap best case.It’s just nowhere close to the W11
Incredible content, as always. I seem to remember that you made a similar video with the speed in T10 in Austria (I don't know if it was from 2022 or 2023) and another with the speed of the RB19 in T9 in Spain, but I can't find those videos. Did you delete them??? Because I would love to see them again.
@@yelistener yeah I was talking about Austria T10, which I can't find. Also, I remember the video of the RB19 being named “The RB19 is smooth on the new layout” or something similar, and I can't find that either
Is this a reupload by any chance? I could have sworn I watched this same exact video a couple of months back. (Or I'm just imagining things) I clearly remember the Bottas speed comparison of that corner.
and in 2024, you can feel that cars have gotten lower top speeds, more drag, and harder to follow, while corner speeds have gone up. Will be interesting to see if any 2024 car can match Bottas' apex speed
Very interesting corner, seems like each driver / team has a slightly different way of going through. Some have the lowest speed in the first corner, some in the second. And then some at the apex some before.
Can you analyze the RBR first laps of Jeddah 2024? I watched both Perez and Max start and full race, and I can see that Max has a more flow driving while Perez didn't fight the car, but can't make it faster like Max does it. Why this? How Max put some strong margin right at the beginning of the race?
I'm pretty certain that DRS (and thus higher top speed) actually deteriorated the porpoising situation, that's why they had it for Friday practice and deactivated for the rest of the weekend in 2022. The ride-height TD was the factor that improved the bottoming in 2023. But overall great video once again!
No, DRS absolutely helped limiting porpoising. DRS-open practically increases rear ride height. There were onboard clips compareable from 2022, that cars ran more stable when DRS open vs DRS closed.
@@yelistenermakes sense. DRS is dropping drag and therefore downforce to go faster in a straight line. Less downforce = less bottoming of the car and therefore less chance of starting the cyclical porpoising cycle!
It really sucks that they made turn 7 faster. That corner was really interesting in the past F1 games because if you timed it right you can overtake there. That´s not possible anymore because it´s now a fast right
Compared to other drivers Max takes T10 differently by turning in earlier and touching the apex and also using more kerb on the exit. Its interesting how the car is obviously much superior than the others but Max's driving accompanied with the car shows its true potential. He's consistently the fastest driver on the grid.
Any of the top drivers ie: Leclerc, Hamilton, maybe Russell and Norris would do that if they were in that car with that level of stability and performance advantage. Verstappen has never had a strong team mate. The time he did it was riccardo ages ago and he didn't do too well against it granted he was still just a kid. Verstappen stats are overly inflated. He is in the most dominant car in the most dominant era with no regulation change in sight because the FIA don't want to disrupt (like they did with Mercedes for example). He's good. He's just not as good as you think.
@@supaahflyy I agree with the regulations being in favour of RB. Take for example 2020 abu dhabi pole lap (even though the car improved) but he still snatched pole off Lewis in the W11. That was a statement.
This just proves tesms just caught up to the 2022 RB...in 2023. Redbull have had a 1 year development cushiom ahead of everyone in these regs and the FIA sitting quiet but when merc had a 1 year cushion it was rule change after rule change. Ben Sulayman has a lot to answer for, im not sure he isnt a redbull plant at this stage
Be careful if you want to overtake at Australia T9: czcams.com/video/3hocEi-kLxA/video.html
2020 would be probably flat out jesus.. 2019 bottas hit there 6.5G
the last clip blew my mind those cars could get through tht corner with a lift 😵💫🤤
He was already in 7th gear and coming to the corner slower because of a previous chicane that was removed
@@franciscoovarela Still, much more planted, 10 kph difference is big
If you look at it he had way less speed coming into that corner because of the different layout, so didnt have to slow down that much as the others
They also came in with less speed
Now just imagine the W11 through that chicane. Would have been mind blowing as hell.
Bottas 2019 lap was straight fire. Barely lifted through the corner
We will see that again this year
Yes no lift but coming with -30 kph compared to 2023. There was no drs
excatly, 287kph entry against 324 khp. the last has to brake@@RiccardoCazzaniga
@@RiccardoCazzanigaalso because of the previous chicane before that they removed right?
@@franciscoovarela yes but I think even with the old chicane with drs they would have reached + 300kmh easily. So main difference is the drs
You can see how bad was porpoising in 0:14 , it literally made Leclerc unable to go full throttle he was going between 97-100% throttle due to porpoising lol
Im still wondering how the hell that car was dominant that weekend with all that bouncing
Leclerc. @@ryanchivwara5013
That's just the sensor not recognising 100% throttle input. Its a minor sensor issue.
@@ryanchivwara5013they understood how to exploit the porpoise effect to make the car have INSANE rotation in the corner entry phase, they basically delt with the porpoising on the straights so they could run the floor in a range where the downforce levels were a lot higher throughout the corner. Porpoising wasn’t effecting the cars post breaking faze and middle/corner exit. Only on prolonged straights. If you understood the regulations as originally written you would’ve come to the conclusion that the porpoising was gonna be there but if you wanted a car to truly generate the downforce from the floor you had to “deal with it” until you got to the corners and could force it away because of suspension dive/good damping (front compressed rear extends, forces the car into a state of dive and breaks the porpoising effect) Ferrari KNEW that was gonna be the way to go, Mercedes did too, they just got it wrong and decided to lobby for the floor edge change to get rid of it under “safety grounds”
@@TANGYHATCHY wow thanks for the insight changes my view of 2022 for sure
Every other team taking T9-10 in 6th gear at the lowest while Max takes it only going down to *7th* in ‘23. Good showcase on how far development has come as well as how good that RB19 was.
That must've taken big balls for Valtteri to do what he did. Barely a lift through the entire sequence!!
that 2019 and 2020 merc wasnt a f1 car, it was a damn train
It was the Mercedes SR-71 blackbird lol (especially the 2020 version was even in black too)
Yes..just like how Redbull is now..will soon reach w11 and w10 level of grip and speed
@@faizahmedsiddique7872 impossible lol
the stability of that rb is so crazy
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Also, since the new layout the circuit is faster. So cars now go with a lower downforce set up.
its a shame w11 never hit this track
SHAME RB 20 SMOKE W11😅😅😅
@@thespeakersreview99 tf u mean man??? U started watching f1 1 yr ago go do some research about the past
@@thespeakersreview990 chance.You could give the RB20 a 5 second gap and it will still beat the RB20 by a landslide.20 seconds gap worst case,60 seconds gap best case.It’s just nowhere close to the W11
It's cool seeing that even when McLaren weren't part of the lead pack of cars, they still had good performance in the high speed corners.
Love the content
Wish I could see the W11 in these corners
Incredible content, as always. I seem to remember that you made a similar video with the speed in T10 in Austria (I don't know if it was from 2022 or 2023) and another with the speed of the RB19 in T9 in Spain, but I can't find those videos. Did you delete them??? Because I would love to see them again.
Australia T9-10 is still on my channel.
@@yelistener yeah I was talking about Austria T10, which I can't find. Also, I remember the video of the RB19 being named “The RB19 is smooth on the new layout” or something similar, and I can't find that either
@@sergioferrero46 Oh, those two were blocked.
@@yelistener what a shame, there's any possibility to see them again???
Why?
shows again that red bull is literally 1 year ahead in car development
they had very little to almost no porpoising from a couple of races into 2022 while others to a year
Great content
What is really amazong: As much you can see the differences between the cars you can also hear them very clear.
Is this a reupload by any chance? I could have sworn I watched this same exact video a couple of months back. (Or I'm just imagining things) I clearly remember the Bottas speed comparison of that corner.
where do you get the telemetry
The engine revs rising when they open DRS is awesome
and in 2024, you can feel that cars have gotten lower top speeds, more drag, and harder to follow, while corner speeds have gone up. Will be interesting to see if any 2024 car can match Bottas' apex speed
I’d be interested to see the 2024 speeds , though that’ll be next week if you do it 🙂
Very interesting corner, seems like each driver / team has a slightly different way of going through. Some have the lowest speed in the first corner, some in the second. And then some at the apex some before.
impressive to see everyone is a bit braking and downshifting 1 or 2 gears, and bottas with his 2019 car, destroy everyone by just going almost flatout
LH's head almost like a ping pong ball on table tennis. lol
Whiles RB look like he sat in the sofa to drive.
Can you analyze the RBR first laps of Jeddah 2024? I watched both Perez and Max start and full race, and I can see that Max has a more flow driving while Perez didn't fight the car, but can't make it faster like Max does it. Why this? How Max put some strong margin right at the beginning of the race?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the RB20 can get through with just a lift now.
I'm pretty certain that DRS (and thus higher top speed) actually deteriorated the porpoising situation, that's why they had it for Friday practice and deactivated for the rest of the weekend in 2022. The ride-height TD was the factor that improved the bottoming in 2023.
But overall great video once again!
No, DRS absolutely helped limiting porpoising. DRS-open practically increases rear ride height. There were onboard clips compareable from 2022, that cars ran more stable when DRS open vs DRS closed.
@@yelistenermakes sense. DRS is dropping drag and therefore downforce to go faster in a straight line.
Less downforce = less bottoming of the car and therefore less chance of starting the cyclical porpoising cycle!
Any data from 2024?
This record will never be broken because track requires much less downforce
These ground effect cars are fast at high speed corner, imagine if they are also smaller and lighter.
Reallife bobbleheads
Now yall see why manufacturers quote downforce at 250kmh
It really sucks that they made turn 7 faster. That corner was really interesting in the past F1 games because if you timed it right you can overtake there. That´s not possible anymore because it´s now a fast right
bottas didn't even lift at that chicane...💀💀💀
Yes he did, but if the w11 raced at the Australian gp, in quali the car maybe won't have lift
We want the onboard overtakes of verstappen in brazil 2019
F1 cars was a Aero monsters before 2022
Wish they had this map in GT7
2:17 i dont understand, we were watching some fun f1 cars going broom and then you show this train ¿¿??
Compared to other drivers Max takes T10 differently by turning in earlier and touching the apex and also using more kerb on the exit. Its interesting how the car is obviously much superior than the others but Max's driving accompanied with the car shows its true potential. He's consistently the fastest driver on the grid.
an F1 driver touching an apex?! I'll be damned
Are you done glazing?
Any of the top drivers ie: Leclerc, Hamilton, maybe Russell and Norris would do that if they were in that car with that level of stability and performance advantage.
Verstappen has never had a strong team mate. The time he did it was riccardo ages ago and he didn't do too well against it granted he was still just a kid.
Verstappen stats are overly inflated. He is in the most dominant car in the most dominant era with no regulation change in sight because the FIA don't want to disrupt (like they did with Mercedes for example).
He's good. He's just not as good as you think.
@@BayernSupremacy_ I'm a Hamilton fan mate..but you gotta appreciate greatness
@@supaahflyy I agree with the regulations being in favour of RB. Take for example 2020 abu dhabi pole lap (even though the car improved) but he still snatched pole off Lewis in the W11. That was a statement.
Man, Ferrari had crazy porpoising but it was so fast. The new regs really set Ferrari back.
Seems like the Mercs and the Alpines won't have to worry about Turn 9-10 being neck-breaking this year
Sad we never got the W11 here
Imagine having to drive that 2022 silver shitbox for more than over an hour
Imagine calling shitbot to a car that finished P3 in the constructors behind ferrari by less than 50 points and with one win.
@@SweetFlexZI think they’re referring more to the ride quality than anything else
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Ride quality wasn't so shit when it ended close to the 2nd in the championship with one win, am I right?
@@SweetFlexZ I mean it was regardless considering it had the most violent proposing of all cars
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Because Mercedes had to lower the car in order to get that level of performance, selective memory I see
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Omg you predicted it mate🎉🎉🎉
Bottas the record holder 🏆
This just proves tesms just caught up to the 2022 RB...in 2023.
Redbull have had a 1 year development cushiom ahead of everyone in these regs and the FIA sitting quiet but when merc had a 1 year cushion it was rule change after rule change. Ben Sulayman has a lot to answer for, im not sure he isnt a redbull plant at this stage
Imagine driving that car for an hr bouncing your organs nd brain could be hurting for days
Do you think 2020 could have been flat out?
def
your comparison clips put sky sports f1 to shame congrats
W11 would probably be doing around 270, just guessing.
Ferrari making a 1km improvement is such a meme 🤣
This year they gonna get close even more to Bottas
the RB20 will surely destroy Bottas's high speed record
2024: flatout
Now 2024
Ferrari and Mercedes in early 2022 didn't look too fun to drive for sure.
What is W11 was raced here in 2020💀
I think is interesting that Bottas had a deficit of almost 40km/h comparing to RedBull on the straight before both corners
They removed the chicane from 2022 that used to be before the now turn 11-12 sequence, meaning the cars are full throttle for waaaayyy longer
It used to have a relatively slow speed chicane mid what is not the curved straight
Not a DRS zone in 2020. 👍
@@Eric-rf1isNot a race in 2020.
@@thekingslayer5575 Sorry, 2019, as the video shows. 👍👍 Still no DRS in 2020. 🤣🤣
Bottas only smal lift of t 9-10
RB20 270km/h😂
Bottas top speed - 287 km/h
In 2022 they removed the chicane and in 2023 added DRS to the previous section.
Not far from Bottas's record proceeds to show a 9 kph difference.
Ground effect ruined racing especially wet racing
Watch max take it flat on saturday
My god that 2023 ferrari was awful…
I wish Mercedes would go back to their W13, it was such a joy watching Lewis bounce at high speeds
Change your fucking car!