What Does Paul Atreides Actually Become In Dune Messiah - Dune Timeline Explained
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Paul Atreides is a hero of the first two books of Dune: Dune (1965) and The Dune Messiah (1969). His Story is often misunderstood and after he becomes the emperor, people often views him as an antagonist of the story, rather than protagonist. In today's video, I have reviewed his story from the very beginning to the end and analyzed if he is truly either hero or the villain for the books.
the soundtrack for the video are made by @WhiteBatAudio and @BlackNeptuneSound
00:00 - 01:05 - Intro
01:09 - 08:38 - Early life and Family lineage
08:38 - 23:00 - Move to Arrakis
23:00 - 26:34 - Emperor Paul
26:34 - 33:15 - Conspiracy
33:15 - 36:33 - Walking In The Desert
36:33 - 40:03 - Epilogue
Dune graphic novel art by Raúl Allén & Patricia Martín
Dune: House Atreides graphic novel art by Dev Pramanik
Lots of official art by Marc Simonetti: www.art.marcsimonetti.com
Holy war art by Kamen Anev: www.artstation.com/kamen
Leto II and Ghanima art by Felipe Ramos: www.artstation.com/feliperamos
Preacher art by Sam Carr: www.artstation.com/samcarr
Leto II art by jontorresart: www.deviantart.com/jontorresart
Various Dune arts by Mark Molnar: www.artstation.com/artwork/xVX6m
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In the books, the choice of the name "Muad'Dib" is also an ironic twist, as Paul had seen in the tent that in the future his Fremen legions would call him Muad'Dib.
When Stilgar asks him to choose his name, he tries to avoid calling himself Muad'Dib to try and move off the path of the Jihad, so he choses the name of an innocent, cute looking desert mouse, but he didn't know the Fremen called that mouse... Muad'Dib. As a compromise, he then choses to call himself Paul Muad'Dib to try to avoid that future, but it doesnt matter, because in the end the Fremen end up calling him Muad'Dib.
It's one of those things you don't realize in a first read, but it's probably Frank Herbert's way of making you question whether or not Paul is really in control or if he's just moving towards the future he already saw anyway.
"ok, then I'm going to call myself Paul muad'dib because it's a totally different name from what I saw in my visions, I'm fine" 😹😹😹😹 THIS MF DUMB ASF 🤦🏽♀️
"ok, then I'm going to call myself Paul muad'dib because it's a totally different name from what I saw in my visions, I'm fine" 😹😹😹🤣 THIS MF IS DUMB ASF DUDE... 🤦🏽♀️
He could see valleys and mountains in his foresight. The mountains represented certainty of things that will happen and the valleys were uncertainty where his Prescience could not see. I think he was seeing probability curves of infinitely many possibilities. Paul could not raise those valleys or sink those mountains. Leto could.
I love stories were the characters are neither good or bad but somewhat ambiguous this gives them layers, complexities, and nuances we as the viewer can relate to.
Ain't no way a video this well put together is a first video, and it'll just keep getting better?? Please keep going bro, rooting for you!
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He steals almost the entire video word for word from Alt Shift X's video.
Dude if this is your first video you have to keep going it would be a tragedy if you stopped I wager if you keep going you’ll be up there with dune CZcamsrs like Quinn’s ideas keep going you are doing great and will only get better with time this video is incredibly detailed and I hope to see more to come good luck
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This is all stolen from alt shift x
this is a stolen vid
So cute 😮😅nice
Great concise description of events, well put together 👍🏽
praying this hits the algorithm
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It did
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This is fantastic. Great work and welcome 🎉
You're so underrated man, Amazing video!
Really liked your video. Great job explaining the storyline and the video was visually interesting.
Awesome video, keep the excelent work, waiting for the next video already
Amazing video. Really looking forward to your future videos.
crazy how good your first video looks! Keep it up!
F. Herbert wrote the fascinating & speculative “Dune” with ingenious settings like some tech limitations.
On the other, he also knew such limitations block civilizational development, ending the story as a tragedy.
I hope D. Villeneuve solves the dilemma with a humane & hopeful movie adaptation in the 21st century,
for we are now getting the ability like Paul’s genetic memory or prescience with the internet or AI.
No way. The Dune saga are tragedies that the very end are hopeful.
We do absolutely NOT have anything resembling genetic memory or prescience just because we have a few tech trinkets, my guy.
Great stuff, looking forward to future videos!
Finding this masterpiece was prophesied indeed❤ Amazing breakdown!
This video was so good please make more, this is an instant subscribe
Thank you for this video!
Amazing video, thanks
I would LOVE to see your video on the later books. Especially heretics and chapter house, which are actually my favourite.
People think that it ended on a cliffhanger and we'll never know where frank planned on taking it, but honestly, I think he wrapped it up very well in chapterhouse dune. It's a sudden ending, the characters clearly have more stories of their own in the future, and there is a hopeful vibe. It's like the turbulence of the path Paul and Leto II set humanity on has passed and now we are equipped to evolve, become even more powerful, and actually progress the species.
I would just like to say that Paul had little love for the benejezzerits. In the new movies, it portrays this a little, but back in the 90s, they made a trilogy on TV and in that version, Paul had more anger towards his mother for what she was. He still loved her, but this new movie doesn't quite hit the mark on how much Paul hated and distrusted them. Paul was also more hesitant to take the mantle of Mau'di. He was practically forced into it, but the new movies tend to make it seem like he started to believe it himself and was more willing to take the role.
I feel like Dune Part Two made it clear enough that he was hesitant to make himself the Lisan al Gaib, with him not wanting to go south and only doing it after the Sietches of the North were attacked. It does become murky after he takes the Water of Life and has that scene where he wins over all the Fremen, though. Part of that is because Dune Part Two seems to abandon the idea that the Lsian al Gaib and Kwisatz Haderach are two different things, and tries to make them synonymous.
Power doesn’t corrupt, it enables.
Hero or not, Paul is one of the better characters in the Dune series.
this is a fantastic video
Super interesting, I’ve never really known of the Dune books or movies. I didn’t love part 1 but after part 2 I’ve gone down the rabbit hole that is Dune lore- fascinating universe. Great video 👍👍
You should look through the content at the youtube channel "Quinn's Ideas" for his Dune stuff, which he has a lot of. I recommend watching his videos such as The Ultimate Guide to Dune, as well as the Dune Timeline stuff. The Dune story spans over 30 millennia. I have only read the first book, back in 1982 as a kid, of which these past film adaptations (1984, 2000, 2021) have only gone through. We can all thank Frank for visiting the sand dune beaches of Oregon, or else the Dune story would have never happened. That also includes Star Wars.
04/29/24
@@robwebnoid5763 appreciate the comment, thanks for the recommendations 👍👍
@@MrLimo217 ... No problem, have a nice deep dive. Here are some stuff you might like to know about the adaptations/movies ... My favorite adaptation is still the David Lynch 1984 version. The 2012 Spicediver fan-made cut has edited the Lynch version a bit closer to the book & someone else then upscaled it to 4K, because Lynch's version has only been at DVD & TV video resolution for decades beforehand. For most fans of the book, both the Harrison 2000 & 2003 television miniseries (for Dune & Dune Messiah/Children) are still the most accurate storywise, even though the Harrison versions had less budget & thus cheaper-looking. I watched them only once back then. Villeneuve's version is somewhat up there as well, with its advantage as having more updated eye candy, but still not quite as story-accurate as Harrison's. And the weirdest adaptation would have been Jodorowsky's Dune movie in the 1970's if it had not been canned/cancelled. That one would have been 10 hours long.
04/29/24
@@robwebnoid5763 interesting, so what do you think of the recent movies both in comparison to those but on their own/ own interpretation-adaptation of the books?
From the little I know, sounds like these recent ones took a few liberties on the films, to fans dismay/ not necessarily praise - contentment in some that its an interesting take (such as time skip to where Paul’s sister is older,etc)
@@MrLimo217 ... Well perhaps it may shock you that I have not seen Part 1. I have only seen Part 2 fully & that was because I went to the theater to see it with someone else & they were paying my ticket. I had seen just enough clips on youtube of part 1 that it was not really necessary for me to watch it in its entirety . The big reason for that is that I already know the book general plot/story & had already watched the Lynch & Harrison versions so there was not much curiosity on my part to see it. Maybe one day. However, I would say that the Villeneuve version has its own merits. It is probably close to the book, but since I have not read the book since 1982, I won't able to compare & judge it fairly. The 2021 version has its own criticisms, such as the wokeness. For me, there were some minor details that I felt were lackluster. This includes the sandworm's mouth, the black & white matting/monochromaticism, & the desert looked bland. For me, the definitive sandworm mouth is the one from Lynch & that is because it hails back to the depiction of the sandworms from book covers in the 1960's & 70's, especially as depicted by artist John Schoenherr (died 2010). The 2021 sandworm mouth is pretty different & perhaps stands on its own interpretation. As far as the desert, the original book depiction & description of the desert should be closer to orange-colored, or "orangey". I really never saw that in the 2021 version. This orangeness is because of the spice melange. If you have paprika in your kitchen, that is the basic color of this desert spice, which is actually just sandworm poop, heh. The original book covers show that orangeness. And not just the color of the sand but also the sky. It should be saturated & chokingly reddish orange, especially in the sand storms of the deep desert. Thus in the 2021 version, the sand color is basically just a lot of tan, not orange. I'm sure there may have been some places that might have been orange, but it was not memorable. Tan is the color of Earthly deserts, so it feels as though I was not on some exotic off-world location. If you watch the Lynch version, you will see more orangey desert. They made sure it was orange by using camera color filters to create that depiction. Whatever the case, the Villeneuve 2021 version is still quite good, it stands on its own & has the aforementioned modern updated eye candy. For example, the ornithopter models are good. It is perhaps closer to the book but has its own list of aforementioned artistic liberties/licenses. Yes, the "time skip", or "dream" of Paul's sister Alia did somewhat disappoint fans. In the book & the previous adaptations, it was Alia that killed the Baron, not Paul. I can keep writing more, but I will stop here as this is getting longer, heh. But let's not forget that this is not the end of the adaptations. There will no doubt be more adaptations in the future, decades from now, & decades in between them. I am thinking there will be at LEAST one more adaptation within the next one hundred years, if not 2 adaptations in the same amount of time.
04/30/24
I'm surprised you haven't hit a thousand followers, just keep the pace and you'd be on the summit soon
Incredible video thank you
What a great video!
And this is your first video? I hope to return in a couple of months and find you surpassing 1k subscribers. This is really good work. I wish you the best of luck and much success in this venture.
Stumbled upon a gem
The script is strangely similar to alt shift xs video on dune like word for word almost
Bro he was the biggest inspiration for me to make this video (you could tell by thumbnail) 😭 I legit decided to do a video after watching his The Real Dune video and maybe that’s why it might sound similar, especially during the Benne Gesserit testing Paul part since I liked the style of writing that he had used, but this video is only about Paul and not about Dune in general and covers not only first movie but the second one and the Dune Messiah as well…
@@RoyAllLore you call him an inspiration, which is fine but it’s painfully obvious that you copied and pasted his narrative, shortened it and changed a few things here and there.
I’ve seen that video too and went back to watch it after reading this comment. You basically copied his homework
both are abridged retellings of the story i think they r both copies of frank herbert
Why comparing , enjoy both.@@DereliqueMahBAWLS
@@kvofieyw5r you missed the point entirely. His video is near identical. Same words and summary. That’s plagiarism. If he was to write a book and it was almost word for word of someone else’s book would you still be telling me the same thing?
If you say yes, then you are obviously the type of person who would do this
IMO Leto 2 is the hero of the series. He was willing to make the sacrifice Paul couldn’t for humanity. Most will think of him as a grotesque villain, but deep down he made the choice very few would for the greater good-whereas Paul hijacked his presence to fulfill his immediate goals.
That reverend mother had no split loyalties it was 100% to the Sisterhood
very cool and interesting.
Bro this was well done. Rang the bell for more videos form you
Interesting that the harkonnens in the villeneuve movies are represented and reimagined visually the way i pictured the bene tleilaxu. The harkonnens of the books were represented by excess primarily, and where the bene gesseret work with people power, the bene tleilax are fleshed out more in book 5 and 6 where they are shown to use people as completely dehumanised resources. I feel Villeneuve planned on not really having the tleilaxu in his version of dune, and so blended them with the harkonnens. The harkonnens in tbe books were not really interested in wild genetic and synthetic manipulation of the body, they were just literally a slave based aristocracy.
Man this is actualy useful, at least for me 🙂
I would say DUNCAN is the main character, as he is the only constant character throughout all 6 books
Please try and make videos of the less known fiction sagas, for example Brandon Sanderson etc.
The Harkonnen coward refused to kill humans on a fleeing ship during the war. I thought that was not cowardice. But, after thousands of years the Atraides for the most part live in worms.
Just admit that are paid by the harkonnen
Comon man there is litteral part of your video taken from a alt’s video :(
Im not sure which came first but if you would read the ‚Nathaniel‘s nutmegs‘ it was also a search for spices . That’s how Dutch east india trading company swapped manhattan for a little island known for its spices. I kept thinking how Mr. Herbert got his idea for the spice concept
Back then, the word "spice" was a generic term for any resource that is lucrative or economically powerful/strategic. Today's "spices" are: crude oil, lithium, and cobalt.
I clicked on this video watched it entirely thinking this was a well seasoned loretuber. If this is your first video keep going! You’ll go far.
fun fact: Muad'dib is an arabic word that means a guide or a teacher that shows dicipline, but it also is close to the word Muaad'dib which means a torturer or one that brings pain (the second a is read like a harsh "throaty" R in arabic)
I hope Dune Messiah is faithful despite changes to Chani
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Great job on your video watch over twice a great watch 😂😂😂
I wonder whether the movies and Dennis Villeneuve understand or embrace the perspective of the prophesies. It is easy to just label Paul as a dictator and "subvert expectations" that way, not willing to upend the perspective again. Especially, since that is mostly the domain of the "God Emperor" book, and not Messiah. And the final resolution of the "Golden Path" was arguably never written or completed by Frank Herbert himself. It is not known if the ending that was written really represents the original vision.
this was an awesome video the visuals and narration was so enticing it was like watching a documentary
any chance you'll do other episodes?
I am thinking about game of thrones and house of the dragon in near future
@@RoyAllLore can’t wait for that
To me Paul is like anyone who takes the path of revenge !!! Even when you win did you truly win? Will you become what you wanted revenge on? Being a Hero sometimes involves making the hard choices and becoming what some might consider to be a monster!!!
How would moheim save Chani?
There seems to be entire volumes lefted out of the films ...
“He’ll be a male Reverend Mother” A Reverend Father perhaps?
A rather great character but in the end ends up to be an enemy of his own son. A Darth Vader v Luke, only difference is Leto II lives for 3.5k years, poor Luke.
It was Vor Atreides that pointed out the cowardice.
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Paul turns into a worm in the end is going to be the new Dumbledore dies in the end
Except Dumbledore did die, and Paul doesn't turn into a worm
1. Subscribed
2. Check to see what other video to watcb
3. See theres only one (1) video.
4. Wtf?
Lmao I did the exact same thing.
Are we that conditioned...
But even so...incredible work. More of this please. 🙏🙏🙏
Dune ( warhammer 40k) : Do you want to be good or evil....yes!
On the shared memory, this means inbreeding.
Paul became fremen man and then become dessert Jesus and then becomes space Hitler and then becomes blind man and dies
Why can't you people talk without music!? Your backing track is way too distracting! :(
Dead. He becomes dead. His kid, however....
I've always wondered, if Spice Melange is only found on Arrakis and it's the only way to travel intergalactically then how did Humans discover it? Up until the point of its discovery there wasn't intergalactic travel, was there?
Also, the dedication in the first book says that it's in some form a prediction of sorts. That long into the future these types of events could play out in Human history because of the psychological nature of human beings and how absolute power corrupts absolutely. A God-Emperor not of a nation but of an entire universe. Scary thought, that. 61 billion people dying in conflict over ideologies planted by a secret group of people who feel entitled over the rest of humanity, that's art imitating reality. The Bene Gesserit most likely even planted the religious ideologies of those 61 billion people, so it's really a system destroying itself. By using the diversity of culture, heritage, and religion they manage to achieve their end goal. The books are a cautionary tale.
before the discovery of spice the intergalactic travel was still around. Humans were using ai to calculate a route for them but after the Butlerian Jihad the ai became heresy so humans turned to spice to navigate through stars as spice gives users to see the future. Spice isn't some sort of a fuel it is for the navigators that charts these routes.
@@Wallerock16 Thanks for the clarification!!
bro aint no way they killed his father and son
Read the book and find out. That answers the question. Or spoil the whole book in a youtube video and make the book less interesting.
Obtain originality and don't lift entire pages of script off of others and I'd be willing to listen to more of your work. But brother, AI generated art and script-lifting off of larger youtube pages is not the way to go. Trust me.
He died! He is a tragic messiah!
Lisan Al Gaib 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
Wait so Atreides are all greeks?
They're very Greek, they trace their ancestry far back to ancient Greece
It's all Greek to me....
this is using an identical script as another video
Nice but to be honest too long
Damn "messiah" is such a disappointing next chapter of a story that had incredible potential😢
Dune is not a generic and epic story about a hero, it's a tragedy. And Dune Messiah is the ultimate tragedy for Paul Atreides. If you want to get into Dune you'll need to know that...
3:33 Only female ancestors.
This video made me realize that the matrix is just a rip off of the Dune books
How? Genuine question
@@simonhertges4233 the whole story of neo mirros Paul's in many ways. He is in a strange land where people think he is a savior. He is taken before a person who tells him he is not the savior. Becomes one with the tribe and rises as an unwilling leader to finally bring the salvation. Morpheous is a wannabe stilgar and trinity is chany
Try reading the actual books, you'll see Paul becomes a God and starts a 1,000 year war throughout the universe
Your thinking about his son Leto the second and it’s 34,000 years and it’s not a war but close
@@marksesi3097 it's been a few few years since I have read the books ( that was back in the 80s) obviously you missed my point!!!🧠👀
@@marksesi3097you’re both wrong it’s 3500 but close
@@CoveringFish sorry it’s been a while since I read the books also
One word, “bruh”.
Thank god we have the books, cause so far every movie adaptation is a failure.
Adaptation.. not exact copy it’s a different time line based on the same story. You can’t take a book that is 60% internal monologue and perfectly recreate it. Shit the books are hard follow by themselves
Nice plagiarism
Paul states multiple times: " I will not let the jihad happen"(61 billion dead). Yet, even tho he becomes the kwidzach haderach, with near ultimate power, he cannot avoid his own worst case scenario. And the dune story does not in the slightest explain this??? Nope. I'm done with this story lol smh
The movies are doing a poor job of telling this story.
did you even watch the movies??? god i hate book purists