Is Dune's Paul Atreides a Hero or a Villain?
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I don’t care if he is a villain. They made him so badass that I can’t help but cheer for him. LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS 💪
Same
Paul was fine until he saw Thanos on that spice duster 😂😂😂
Screen Rant asking the tough questions that were answered decades before their audience was born
Believe me some people seen it and still think he's the Hero. 😂
@@wyn0342 if they get into Dune Messiah and Children of Dune they will see the truth.
@@toddwilliams2124 They won't. They're too lazy to read books. They would rather have someone spend millions to make a movie to spoon feed them the bits of the story that they like. LOL!
@@FireTurtle75. You're right, and it makes me sad.
@@wyn0342 How is he not a hero?
He’s definitely not a villain. He’s not a saint either but it’s more fitting to view him as a tragic hero…
He was put in a terribly traumatic situation and forced to adapt & survive or die. A cautionary tale that absolute power corrupts absolutely and that sometimes destiny/prophecy is a double edged sword that cuts you down in ways you never could have expected…
Paul was just trying to do what he thought was the right thing but he had too many people around him forcing him down a path of War & Conquest. And the horrors of violence were unavoidable in every possible future for him anyways. He just choose the path that he thought kept his family line the most secure and safe for future generations…
And I believe most anybody with a spine would of made similar if not the exact same choices that he made if they were in his position. At the end of the day 99% of us just want to climb the social ladder as high as possible and survive as long as we can while doing it…
I think Paul’s character is similar to Michael Corleone. Both characters didn’t wanted to take part as leaders, but ended up becoming for the what they believed was for the best. Dune Messiah reminds me a bit of Godfather 2, showing the faults of both protagonist’s empires.
Paul followed his initial visions, wherever they led, and after he takes the waters he sees how to win the war. It wasn't until after that he finally looks further into the future and falls apart realizing what has to happen and what must be done...
Paul Atredies is neither a hero nor is he a villain, he's a cautionary tale of prophecy. Anyone who is suggesting he is a white savior have never read the books as Frank Herbert referred to Paul Atredies as a false messiah, not a savior or a destroyer.
Paul fits the description for the white savior trope, but it’s intentional. Its part of the critique of prophecy and the hero’s journey
What, you mean I have to do some finkin'?
@@richardboland1935 exactly
His son was both a hero and a tyrant, Paul was too big a coward to walk the golden path, something he admitted to Leto. Leto essentially set out to correct his father's mistakes and set the universe on a path to the future.
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
In these movies he’s neither a hero or villain, in Messiah however he’s absolutely a villain
He seemed pretty villainous by the end of Dune 2. He continued fighting with 'the good guys' in order to beat 'the bad ones', but he was doing it in ways that he swore he didn't want to utilize. I'll agree that he didn't do anything directly bad to the good people (Chani aside, of course), but his motives were all out of whack by the end. I can understand it being a bit 'up in the air', but I'd still have to say he certainly leans villain.
Without having read the books though, I won't be surprised at all to finally see him take that leap in the third movie where bad things do start happening to good people in order to suit his mission.
What's pretty amazing is I think if you replace the name "Paul Atreides" with "Anakin Skywalker" you basically have a much improved version of what the prequel trilogy SHOULD have been, haha. A dude using dark powers intended for a just cause but then slips out of control before going totally evil.
@IRanOutOfPhrases the main flaw in Dune 2 is that Paul doesn't bellow "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" at the end. Otherwise, it was a great movie 😅
@@richardboland1935 haha, yes, Dune was certainly missing that. However....
I thought the main flaw was when they were sitting on that hill and things were all romantic, but Paul didn't seize the moment to badmouth sand to really win her over before tumbling down the dune together in a loving embrace.
Or maybe it could have been role reversal, where that's how Chani gets into Paul's pants.
[For real, as I was watching that scene for the first time, this is exactly where my head was at, and how much better Dune was doing at writing a convincing love story , and how amateur Star Wars is in contrast.]
He was a coward who left his family because he couldn't do what he knew he had to for the future. Leto had to step up, and Alia was the villain, she completely lost her mind to Baron Harkonnen, exactly as the book foreshadowed when Jessica took the water of life while pregnant..
Then who's the real messiah?
Paul only exists because Jessica fell in love with Leto and chose to give him a son(heir) after Leto's first love and firstborn passed away, even though she was under orders to have a daughter for the sisterhoods grand plan of genetic manipulation to create the perfect psychic human
Kwizatz Haderach who can exist everywhere at all times.. he's omniscient... He literally knows what is happening everywhere past present and future... Well beyond run of the mill psychic powers.
In war their is no hero’s or villains each side sees the other as evil and believes their cause to be just and the enemy’s unjust so in this situation Paul is neither
He is neither and this title shows that you don't understand the movie.
Perhaps you didn't understand the movie.
Alia of the Knife the most terrifying toddler in existence, Leto II the God Emperor. And my Favorite chsracter Duncan Idaho who is the true heart of the series in his many incarnations, the casting for him in the new movies is perfect I hope they continue to make successful interpretations of the Dune Saga into movies
My favorite book series... I hope so too, I also hope they stay true to the story.
In the middle. Not everything black and white
Victim who becomes a villain
Ofc he is a villain. Author literally wrote it in part as a warning against savior types.
Except in the lore he literally saves the entire human race through his actions. WTF.
Read some Greek/Celtic/any mythology and you have a wealth of heroes and gods, who aren't infallible, they make mistakes and bad choices and make a better story because of it. The reason films like Dune has been successful is because they are based on material that was written before all characters had to have a checklist of things they were representing and portraying. I want to see complex characters making tough decisions, that makes me evaluate my own choices in life, not a mirror of myself staring at me, saying look how right you were. The world is worse off for this. We don't need heroes we need real human stories.
Neither; he’s a man of destiny!
movie was awesome
I would like to see a comparison with the dune and children of dune miniseries against the new movies
Those were pretty well done, too bad they didn't finish the series
His damn uncle changed everything
The answer is yes… but actually no
Yes
pull aka little mouse 🐁 is both a hero and a villain in the books
Paul Atreides goes beyond heroes and villains. He's a boy, a man, an emperor, a warrior but most of all a victim.
people asking the same questions about St. Paul
You can ask that again 61 billions of people's deaths and 90 sterilized planets later.
In the second novel he admits being worse than Hitler. I think that answers the question.
I think Eren Yaeger from Attack on Titan is similar to Paul Atreides in a sense that they killed a lot of people because it was the "right" thing to do.
A-tree-a-deez?
He's a winner!!!
I think the verdict is still out on that question
paul atredis like eren yeager ?
He’s based
"Is Dune's Paul Atreides a Hero or a Villain?" Yes
He's definitely a villain
Let the spice flow
Bros a villain and everything he’s done was for nothing since he just STOPS and walks off into the sand
Blind as well
Interesting pronounciation of Atreides.
More than one contributor has used the term villain, a label and nothing more. It only proves that they do not understand the tragic figure or the either-or fallacy. Here we have no either-or dilemma. Paul is a new and rewritten hero. DUNE is an epic. We may only call him tragic if he, like Oedipus and Hamlet, fails to play the role that he has been given, and this is not the case. He fulfills prophecy, but we should not expect his actions to be agreeable. The contributor has a fairy tale notion of what follows. Paul's messianic role is paramount. For him and for many, suffering is inevitable. The previous power brokers must learn a lesson about power and knowledge. The hero comes with a sword, and we, comfortable in our seats, must respond to Frank Herbert's warning: No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a hero. Someone will pay the price.
Hmmm, is Paul a villain or hero?
Well he is responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people so I’m guessing the answer is villain
Hate the way you pronounced his name.
2nd
The plot is terrible in comparison with previous iterations of Dune
Should ask Frank Herbert why this plot went into this. You have to find the source first.
1st
as written!
@@darkprinceofdorne Lisan al gaib!!!
Is Chani a coward because she rode off on a worm at the end of Dune 2?
Nah. She just got dumped by watching her boyfriend propose to another chick. She's Pissed.
@@DannyFlamez Yeah thats not what happens in the masterpiece novel written in 1965. A novel so perfect that they are still making movies about it.... But yeah. It definitely "needed improvement" by completely changing Chani's character. Bah nm. Go enjoy your woke garbage. I will be at the library.
@@velveetaslingshot I'm not a fan of woke b.s. either. I just like going to the movies as much as possible. I get 3 tickets a week with AMC A-List for $21 a month, so I just watch whatever's out if it sounds interesting.
Terrible character. He's supposed to be all tough. I'm busy laughing. He doesn't seem tough at all and I couldn't take him seriously.
Paul was neither hero or villain
He was a vengeful being but that isn’t enough to make him a villain
He's evil.
Very much evil.
It seems you didn't read ghe book
Paul Atreides is the personification of the Millennial Hero, just like Harry Potter but Harry tried to kill his shadow. Luke Skywalker was, for example, the Baby Boomer Hero... in the most recent trilogy, through millennial understanding, he was not that great for sure. Leto is the boomer parent, Paul is the millennial son and he discovers, just like Harry, that he has a powerful deep shadow inside of him. Harry tried to killed the shadow inside of him but Paul INTEGRATED it, used it, embraced it. Paul betrays the idealistic values of his boomer father to ascend, to do what he has to do, to survive, to a greater cause, to lead a nation. Paul Atreides is the most heroic hero of all the f**k*ng heroic heroes. He is just doing what he has to do, no idealistic delusional s**t but acceptance and courage and wisdom for integrate the shadow as the source of his concrete mundane factual power. The status game is inevitable, the power game is inevitable.
It seems quite idealistic and delusional making himself seem like the Messiah
Dang, Americans are getting way too liberal. Paul is basically Alexander the Great in this movie; he’s the one that has the means to restore order to a corrupt empire that enslaves people. I don’t reckon he’s a villain at all.
LoL Herbert himself described Paul like a space Hitler or Napoleon.
@@TurboGauchiste how to say you never read the books without saying so
These are AI videos, how do you do 20 videos a day about nonsense, clearly at least edited with AI