Paul foresaw that Chani would come to understand. A central plot device in Dune Messiah is the plot by Irulan (with the help of the Guild, the BG, and the Bene Tleilax) to keep Chani from getting pregnant. And, it has to continue to be central to the plot, because the sacrifice of getting the children leads to a ton of resolution for Paul, Channi, Irulan, the Fremen, basically everyone. They all have to sacrifice in order to get resolution and redemption. It is a Jesus story in the end, and Paul needs to be blinded and walk into the desert. And, that resolution is not as impactful without it being also about his relationship to Chani. There can be no Fremen revolt against Paul. There certainly can be a revolt against Alia and Paul after he becomes the Preacher (assuming it is really Paul.)
I 100% agree. I am just unsure how the writers are going to go about bringing her back to Paul. But the story has to end with a blinded Paul walking into the desert. Love the thoughts thanks man
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff According to the book, all the Fremen have a low level prescience. Chani can have a vision where she sees that she has to help Paul find redemption through the children, specifically Leto II. And, she can see what will happen if Paul doesn't choose this path. Most of this comes true in Children of Dune, not in Messiah. But, Alia (possessed by the Baron) is the villian in both. In the end, Alia gets redemption, and so does Irulan. And, the reactionary forces plotting against Paul get what they deserve.
Regarding the prescience of the Fremen, I think that would be really cool if that was explored but the movies have seemed to brush over some of the finer points, like Paul being a mentat is hardly mentioned (if at all). I doubt they'll adapt past Messiah for film (maybe in the form of shows instead) so I think they need to wrap up the Arrakis and Paul plot in this next film without setting up too much of what Leto II accomplishes.
Im a bit worried how he's gonna go with Messiah seeing how he deviated so much from the book in Dune. Well deviated a bit and left loads out. Ive heard a theory Chani is gonna start a rebellion against Maud'Dib, as long as we get a Stage 3 Guild Navigator (Edric) a Stoneburner, Korba's death and Mohiam and Stilgar's little meeting, id be happy.
I thought the Children of Dune book was pretty wild honestly. There’s the show adaptation from the early 2000s so I don’t know if they’d re-adapt that. I think it would make for a great movie though
Leaving aside all the complications, It would be a better movie if they focus on epic love story with tender but melancholic and tragedies always looming. So people cry for hours after the movie is over. It would be this era's Titanic or Casablanca but better.
@DDR131 that does sound awesome and i think those elements could be included but i think it needs to fit into the overall political-sci-fi epic that the series in built around
I want to disagree with almost everything you suggest! Your version wouldn't be Dune Messiah, even close! Think first about what the story is about! Not single events and honoring great actors at all, it's to make a serious point, Paul's utter descent to dictator to keep Chani alive and that he abandons his children, sister and friends to their fate, and his reluctance and failure to address the Golden Path to save humanity from exctintion! Name your movie something not Dune related!
I pretty just much just took events from the book and formed them together if it were a coherent movie, so not sure what you disagree on in that regard, but you are right that Messiah is about Paul's descent and so on. As for honoring great actors and all, I think it's fair to say that the movies have altered the books a bit and I was trying to propose a way that they writers could realistically adapt this novel, which will not be 1:1. Thank you for your thoughts though.
D.V. changed the blue scarf to being a Fremen in love and then round her arm for her friend Shishakli who was in the ICU burns unit. She would have died but she had a water filled suit that saved her once Feyd left.🫤🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽♂
Paul foresaw that Chani would come to understand. A central plot device in Dune Messiah is the plot by Irulan (with the help of the Guild, the BG, and the Bene Tleilax) to keep Chani from getting pregnant. And, it has to continue to be central to the plot, because the sacrifice of getting the children leads to a ton of resolution for Paul, Channi, Irulan, the Fremen, basically everyone. They all have to sacrifice in order to get resolution and redemption. It is a Jesus story in the end, and Paul needs to be blinded and walk into the desert. And, that resolution is not as impactful without it being also about his relationship to Chani. There can be no Fremen revolt against Paul. There certainly can be a revolt against Alia and Paul after he becomes the Preacher (assuming it is really Paul.)
I 100% agree. I am just unsure how the writers are going to go about bringing her back to Paul. But the story has to end with a blinded Paul walking into the desert. Love the thoughts thanks man
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff According to the book, all the Fremen have a low level prescience. Chani can have a vision where she sees that she has to help Paul find redemption through the children, specifically Leto II. And, she can see what will happen if Paul doesn't choose this path. Most of this comes true in Children of Dune, not in Messiah. But, Alia (possessed by the Baron) is the villian in both. In the end, Alia gets redemption, and so does Irulan. And, the reactionary forces plotting against Paul get what they deserve.
Regarding the prescience of the Fremen, I think that would be really cool if that was explored but the movies have seemed to brush over some of the finer points, like Paul being a mentat is hardly mentioned (if at all). I doubt they'll adapt past Messiah for film (maybe in the form of shows instead) so I think they need to wrap up the Arrakis and Paul plot in this next film without setting up too much of what Leto II accomplishes.
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff I could see Irulan attempt to recruit Chani to betray Paul. Driving Chani back to Paul.
Paul sees Chani will accept later only in Dune 2, book she never leaves his side as he doesn't unnecessarily humiliate her!
Im a bit worried how he's gonna go with Messiah seeing how he deviated so much from the book in Dune. Well deviated a bit and left loads out. Ive heard a theory Chani is gonna start a rebellion against Maud'Dib, as long as we get a Stage 3 Guild Navigator (Edric) a Stoneburner, Korba's death and Mohiam and Stilgar's little meeting, id be happy.
Follow the story beats of the Godfather. End with Alia taking care of unfinished family business.
I wonder how a children of dune would play out
I thought the Children of Dune book was pretty wild honestly. There’s the show adaptation from the early 2000s so I don’t know if they’d re-adapt that. I think it would make for a great movie though
interesting things goin on in the book - idk just make it appealing
Leaving aside all the complications, It would be a better movie if they focus on epic love story with tender but melancholic and tragedies always looming. So people cry for hours after the movie is over. It would be this era's Titanic or Casablanca but better.
@DDR131 that does sound awesome and i think those elements could be included but i think it needs to fit into the overall political-sci-fi epic that the series in built around
@@TheNiceGuyWoodruff I think people don't gives a damn about politics in movies. It should be included but the main theme should be the relationship.
If Dune Messiah was done right 3 hrs.40 Minet run time with an intermission at in the middle. Just like back in the old days.
I personally just don’t think there’s enough material to adapt unless you have other ideas, which i would like to hear
I want to disagree with almost everything you suggest! Your version wouldn't be Dune Messiah, even close! Think first about what the story is about! Not single events and honoring great actors at all, it's to make a serious point, Paul's utter descent to dictator to keep Chani alive and that he abandons his children, sister and friends to their fate, and his reluctance and failure to address the Golden Path to save humanity from exctintion! Name your movie something not Dune related!
I pretty just much just took events from the book and formed them together if it were a coherent movie, so not sure what you disagree on in that regard, but you are right that Messiah is about Paul's descent and so on. As for honoring great actors and all, I think it's fair to say that the movies have altered the books a bit and I was trying to propose a way that they writers could realistically adapt this novel, which will not be 1:1. Thank you for your thoughts though.
D.V. changed the blue scarf to being a Fremen in love and then round her arm for her friend Shishakli who was in the ICU burns unit. She would have died but she had a water filled suit that saved her once Feyd left.🫤🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽♂