For me, Fiametta is more of a Operator I want than one I "need". She's cute and her s3 is flashy and infinite duration, so chances are I'd use her in combo with a self healing operator to nuke a lane which Mountain, Thorns etc. could have held alone anyway. That said, won't pull too hard for her as a f2p, with all the other operators coming soon-ish.
Wait, I seem to have got a different message from the video than other players... To me, it seems that Fiammetta is just a decent operator all around? You get exactly what you pay for - Long-ranged, consistent dps, or a surprisingly strong burst on a manageable SP cost (A potential for 400% + 200*5 total damage across multiple hits is good, imo). Maybe it's just my personal bias, since I still use Meteorite S1/S2 very often... But I think that she might be a better pull than Goldenglow for certain players (since Ceobe and Eyjafjalla are easier to get from the certificate shop than her). If it wasn't for Horn's existence, I would feel a lot more comfortable recommending her to players planning their pulls. But does Horn get a cool phoenix on her S1? Phoneix waifu is still good, damn it...
Will be rolling for Fiammetta regardless of gameplay since I've been waiting for her since Code of Brawl and just like W I will use her in as many stages as I can. Horn will hopefully come along for Artilleryknights
I see many people skipping gg to not risk getting horn, as well as some devoted savers that skip literally every banner (including limiteds) wanting her, all banners in the next 3 months are pretty stacked imo
If limited banner is not a thing, i would pull on any ops that i like. Sadly i started few days after W and Weedy's banner and never got her since. Will save 300 pulls when Irene's banner comes to global.
The thing about Fiammetta vs Chen(alter) and W is that both of those Operators are limited operators. So if you don't have them, you probably never will. Fiammetta is more accessible operator which boosts her value. If you don't get Fiammetta now you will have plenty of chances to get her later for sure where as with limited operators are kinda ''impossible'' to get once their 1st time banner has passed. So if you get Fiammetta you could say ''it doesn't get any better than this'' and investing to her won't feel like a waste because you know you won't most likely never replace her with another operator that ''does the samething but better''. Horn is a valid competition but we are also talking about top tile operator vs melee tile operator. I think both will have their ups and downs (pun intended) when compeared to eachother.
I understand the pro for Fia being she is the more acessible option of these three, but how about Meteorite? She being the 5* of Fias subclass, i would like to know if its worthy to climb the rarity ladder with these two units (they both benefit from Archetto IIRC, pretty neat). Kinda like Fartooth and Firewatch, they do different things but i can kinda estimate what im gaining and losing if i decide to use the 6* op of their archetype. With Fia and Meteorite, their difference might just be a matter of DPS, so maybe Drails didnt care to put her in the op comparison
the video did mention the whole 'melee vs ranged' tile thing but i also agree with drails' sentiment in that the argument doesn't hold too much water. melee units are usually more flexible than ranged units in the vast majority of stages (most stages have a lot more melee tiles, melee units usually aren't concerned by ranged enemies/deployment order etc)
uhh, what? I don't get your logic. You pointed the facts right, but your conclusion is mistaken. fiametta not being a limited makes her less of a priority (thus less "valuable") than limited characters because she is easier to get.
@@jolyphus7891 ? If you don't have ChenAlter or W good luck getting them. That's the logic. If you are F2P or semi-F2P you realistically won't get those 2 mentioned operators. That ship has sailed long time ago. Therefore if you happen to get Fia she is worth investing, the value comes from the fact that after investing on her you most likely will once again realistically never replace her with another similar unit because you cannot get a better one because of limited operator vs regular 6*.
@@WhiteFang103 I see, I was thinking of pull priority instead of alternatives, gotcha then. It may be my mentality as a day one player, but if you stick with the game long enough then almost anyone becomes replaceable eventually. That and I have every limited besides nian :) montly pass ftw
I'm struggling trying to decide between rolling for Fiametta or saving 300 pulls to spark Skalter during Stultifera Navis (and I'd also love to get Irene too)
@@randomcatname7792 Honestly? In a pure sniperknights setting, I’d have to skip out on the first talent most of the time. But sure as hell won’t change the fact I’ll drag her along anyway for the moveset
It'd be fine if she was worth the investment, but as is Fiammetta's kit is too underwhelming to justify taking her in anything other than Integrated Strategies. Her module helps, but I seriously have to question whether removing / reducing her talent 2 ASPD during skill duration was necessary to begin with.
I'd say Meteorite is also a competitor to consider for Fiammetta. Her S1 also offers a large AoE with a focus on sustain rather than burst, and while I don't know how they compare in terms of dps numbers, I assume they're fairly similar. Although Meteorite is more inconsistent due to her rng talent.
This was bugging me too, I got around this by using the new PIP function, as the small window doesn't have the overlap. I can put it here: Fia: You know what you're getting; a strong, not broken, AOE mortar GG: Hit or miss, you may be intially disappointed given low ATK/iDPS; although having higher potential
Very late to the party, thank you for the video/ I will be pulling just on the premise she's a Phoenix alone, lol here's hoping I don't eat too hard into SkAlter supply for Fia
Im just glad for to finally see someone not saying "dont pull for her cuz GG" I know the banners passed now but it was really annoying, like I get it, but let people pull for what they want. Also as I have Eyja, and Ceobe I didnt care about getting GG anyway.
You forgot to mention how particularly well she works with Archetto, since she'll pretty much make her S2 a fast charging nuke (every forth hit, instead of every seventh), and S3 an auto charging skill. Although not many operators own Archetto it's a nice synergy to consider. For those who use Archetto as their day to day sniper will squeeze more usability from getting Fiammetta Also, any atk buff you slap in her will inherently be more valuable, since all her skills have atk% multipliers and not +Atk%. with her S2 each point of atk in her will be worth 4 times (sure, reduced by armor but it's more than enough to chip away high def denemies). Meaning her module upgrades are valuable just for the atk alone. Also she has a great design, making her waifu material (hopefully i can get both Fiammetta and Horn... i have over 270 pulls ready for them)
hmm I think I did mention landen squad, but should probably have clarified that it meant archeeto, thanks! although her skills are ATK%, it also has to be taken into account that her talent already gives her 50% so a warfa buff of 90% would be 1.6 as opposed to 1.9
Fiametta is the unit i make my team for the last 2 year and a half, i use buff/team ulti so one unit performance isnt really a thing, the thing i mostly care about is buff affinity and raw fire power fia have that, all of her skill is a modifications and she have huge stat to back it of so her value is already there. her problem? huge sp cost just chen guard s3/archetto problem fix, s3 have gap? feater/ gladia already on the standby, hp lost? Skalter fine a better friend than tachanka (still use him with her tho). when you have the power to burst anything down with a war+exu+debuff the only thing left to consider is consistent aoe/mob clense, then after 2 year look at who have all of that. So yeah, im gonna kill to get her.
Ah, spicy chicken. I'm going for her on my account for completionism reasons (Ashlock stop dodging me ffs), and also because she should be fun with Cheeto. Not too busted but hey, she's fun.
I'm into the lore and story around Mostima (not so much the weird ships people do with her and... every girl around her) so I'm pulling for Fiametta. I already have Rosa so I really don't need either Fia or Horn and of the two, I'd rather go for the phoenix.
fia is generally more powerful, but in the relevant aspirational content niches (i.e. specialistknights and lowstep and AHonly) spalter is significantly more relevant as fia only has sniperknights as a possible category and she's overshadowed there by a big margin
I spent all my resources on GoldenGlow(My new favorite operator), and I need to save for specter alter banner so I'll be skipping fiammetta banner, She does look like a good operator though.
It's a bit harsh to call W a weak unit, methinks "limited" suits her better. Now yes, this is the perspective of a mostly casual player. S1 I've never used and I believe S2 IS pretty weak. I mean... Fully automatic, denies potential deployment tiles, only hits ground units despite everything else W does hitting everything, and can even miss if the enemy is fast enough or activates 2 mines despite 1 being enough to kill it. But come on, she's still got 2 pretty good talents which is a rarity among 6 stars, and that S3 still absolutely brings the heat in certain maps. A 5sec stun with a potential maximum burst of 3k x4 instant AOE damage, that stuff ravages anything that isn't a boss even if you don't get all 4 bombs. Yes it's 33sp but it's still somewhat manageable. That skill was essential for my H9-6 clear I just can't call W weak when she was this instrumental to one of the harder maps of the game Side note : I cleared H9-6 without any of the horsemen of BALANScalypse, and goddamn Leizi and Grani in the squad, I'm pretty sure I'm the only AK player to have ever used that combination in that stage. I'm that stubborn I guess.
Indeed I will try to force her into every stage without much thought for her exact role so this guide is very helpful for me
LMAO
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Me running multiple flags to get Fia/Mostima duo deployed asap every map.
For me, Fiametta is more of a Operator I want than one I "need". She's cute and her s3 is flashy and infinite duration, so chances are I'd use her in combo with a self healing operator to nuke a lane which Mountain, Thorns etc. could have held alone anyway.
That said, won't pull too hard for her as a f2p, with all the other operators coming soon-ish.
so so so so so true
Wait, I seem to have got a different message from the video than other players... To me, it seems that Fiammetta is just a decent operator all around?
You get exactly what you pay for - Long-ranged, consistent dps, or a surprisingly strong burst on a manageable SP cost (A potential for 400% + 200*5 total damage across multiple hits is good, imo).
Maybe it's just my personal bias, since I still use Meteorite S1/S2 very often... But I think that she might be a better pull than Goldenglow for certain players (since Ceobe and Eyjafjalla are easier to get from the certificate shop than her).
If it wasn't for Horn's existence, I would feel a lot more comfortable recommending her to players planning their pulls. But does Horn get a cool phoenix on her S1? Phoneix waifu is still good, damn it...
"She doesn't have self sustain, so she won't die"
That's a very odd sentence
I meant the first part more towards game design, XD
Will be rolling for Fiammetta regardless of gameplay since I've been waiting for her since Code of Brawl and just like W I will use her in as many stages as I can. Horn will hopefully come along for Artilleryknights
sandwiched between goldenglow and horn is a terrible place to be, i dont see many pulling for her
I see many people skipping gg to not risk getting horn, as well as some devoted savers that skip literally every banner (including limiteds) wanting her,
all banners in the next 3 months are pretty stacked imo
If limited banner is not a thing, i would pull on any ops that i like. Sadly i started few days after W and Weedy's banner and never got her since. Will save 300 pulls when Irene's banner comes to global.
@@QQxoxoQQ a fellow W wanter 😊
A video full of information, You get a subscriber after it.
Thanks Drails!!
The thing about Fiammetta vs Chen(alter) and W is that both of those Operators are limited operators. So if you don't have them, you probably never will. Fiammetta is more accessible operator which boosts her value. If you don't get Fiammetta now you will have plenty of chances to get her later for sure where as with limited operators are kinda ''impossible'' to get once their 1st time banner has passed. So if you get Fiammetta you could say ''it doesn't get any better than this'' and investing to her won't feel like a waste because you know you won't most likely never replace her with another operator that ''does the samething but better''.
Horn is a valid competition but we are also talking about top tile operator vs melee tile operator. I think both will have their ups and downs (pun intended) when compeared to eachother.
I understand the pro for Fia being she is the more acessible option of these three, but how about Meteorite? She being the 5* of Fias subclass, i would like to know if its worthy to climb the rarity ladder with these two units (they both benefit from Archetto IIRC, pretty neat).
Kinda like Fartooth and Firewatch, they do different things but i can kinda estimate what im gaining and losing if i decide to use the 6* op of their archetype.
With Fia and Meteorite, their difference might just be a matter of DPS, so maybe Drails didnt care to put her in the op comparison
the video did mention the whole 'melee vs ranged' tile thing but i also agree with drails' sentiment in that the argument doesn't hold too much water. melee units are usually more flexible than ranged units in the vast majority of stages (most stages have a lot more melee tiles, melee units usually aren't concerned by ranged enemies/deployment order etc)
uhh, what? I don't get your logic. You pointed the facts right, but your conclusion is mistaken. fiametta not being a limited makes her less of a priority (thus less "valuable") than limited characters because she is easier to get.
@@jolyphus7891 ? If you don't have ChenAlter or W good luck getting them. That's the logic. If you are F2P or semi-F2P you realistically won't get those 2 mentioned operators. That ship has sailed long time ago. Therefore if you happen to get Fia she is worth investing, the value comes from the fact that after investing on her you most likely will once again realistically never replace her with another similar unit because you cannot get a better one because of limited operator vs regular 6*.
@@WhiteFang103 I see, I was thinking of pull priority instead of alternatives, gotcha then.
It may be my mentality as a day one player, but if you stick with the game long enough then almost anyone becomes replaceable eventually. That and I have every limited besides nian :) montly pass ftw
cool vid, I like your content as always
I'm struggling trying to decide between rolling for Fiametta or saving 300 pulls to spark Skalter during Stultifera Navis (and I'd also love to get Irene too)
Same situation here except im sparking W instead
Honestly speaking sparking Skalter would be the smarter choice, cuz limited plus utility wise skalter provides way more
@@H3xa777 then go for Fiametta, W isn't coming in either Spalter or Gaviel alter banners so u will wait a bit for W
@@Charlett you can spark for W in the Spalter banner since it’s tied to October and CN anniversary events.
@@Charlett as the other guy said Rosmontis/W/Skalter will be sparkable during Specters banner.
Amazing video as always Drails, keep it up.
Btw why the auto subtitles is turned off?
I have no idea, maybe a youtube postprocessing thing - I'll check it out
@@Drails okay. Since English is not my native language and still struggle without subtitles. But thats okay i still understand the majority of it
I will be pulling for her, as her base skill is very strong and she doesn't even need E2. Talk about resource efficiency!
Thanks as always for the levelheaded review.
Since I’m a sniperknights player, Im incredibly excited for Fiametta and the odd ways I can fit her in.
How will you manage her nearly killing herself?
@@randomcatname7792 Honestly? In a pure sniperknights setting, I’d have to skip out on the first talent most of the time. But sure as hell won’t change the fact I’ll drag her along anyway for the moveset
It's kinda insane to me that they decided to make a 29 cost operator who needs a babysitter. Consequences of Flagpipe I guess.
It'd be fine if she was worth the investment, but as is Fiammetta's kit is too underwhelming to justify taking her in anything other than Integrated Strategies. Her module helps, but I seriously have to question whether removing / reducing her talent 2 ASPD during skill duration was necessary to begin with.
@@ShinodaChan imagine if talent 2 is tied to her HP% like her talent 1 vigor, now suddenly babysitting her have some justification
I guess people in these comments really just want a long cooldown manual skill over a skill that lasts forever.
Thank you for the event stage warning :)
Archetto user must be glad with her S2
I'd say Meteorite is also a competitor to consider for Fiammetta. Her S1 also offers a large AoE with a focus on sustain rather than burst, and while I don't know how they compare in terms of dps numbers, I assume they're fairly similar. Although Meteorite is more inconsistent due to her rng talent.
fiam has more than double the dps on s3, and considering s3 dps isn't even that high to begin with, meteorite really isn't a contender
Consider adding some endcard to the video, youtube's recomendations overlap with the text on the screen last 20 seconds.
This was bugging me too, I got around this by using the new PIP function, as the small window doesn't have the overlap. I can put it here:
Fia: You know what you're getting; a strong, not broken, AOE mortar
GG: Hit or miss, you may be intially disappointed given low ATK/iDPS; although having higher potential
thanks for the recco, I think I'll just remove endscreen temporarily for clarity purposes
as soon as i saw her talent and s2 i knew that this would be the skill i would play with her
Very late to the party, thank you for the video/
I will be pulling just on the premise she's a Phoenix alone, lol
here's hoping I don't eat too hard into SkAlter supply for Fia
buff beautiful phoenix hypergryph, i am not asking 🔫
i plan on getting both fia and horn since i really like big booms weapons.
Ever since she was announced I've been wanting to get her! Ashes ashes ASHES >:3!
Im just glad for to finally see someone not saying "dont pull for her cuz GG" I know the banners passed now but it was really annoying, like I get it, but let people pull for what they want. Also as I have Eyja, and Ceobe I didnt care about getting GG anyway.
You forgot to mention how particularly well she works with Archetto, since she'll pretty much make her S2 a fast charging nuke (every forth hit, instead of every seventh), and S3 an auto charging skill. Although not many operators own Archetto it's a nice synergy to consider. For those who use Archetto as their day to day sniper will squeeze more usability from getting Fiammetta
Also, any atk buff you slap in her will inherently be more valuable, since all her skills have atk% multipliers and not +Atk%. with her S2 each point of atk in her will be worth 4 times (sure, reduced by armor but it's more than enough to chip away high def denemies). Meaning her module upgrades are valuable just for the atk alone.
Also she has a great design, making her waifu material (hopefully i can get both Fiammetta and Horn... i have over 270 pulls ready for them)
hmm I think I did mention landen squad, but should probably have clarified that it meant archeeto, thanks!
although her skills are ATK%, it also has to be taken into account that her talent already gives her 50% so a warfa buff of 90% would be 1.6 as opposed to 1.9
Spicy chicken.
Unfortunately my resources are double drained after Goldenglow and Ling banners, so I'll have to skip even without trying the "5 or above in 10"
bruuuuuh i was legit abouta make a vid about her, cant have shit in arknights, (nice vid btw also thanks for doing that i now have less to do)
Fiametta is the unit i make my team for the last 2 year and a half, i use buff/team ulti so one unit performance isnt really a thing, the thing i mostly care about is buff affinity and raw fire power fia have that, all of her skill is a modifications and she have huge stat to back it of so her value is already there.
her problem? huge sp cost just chen guard s3/archetto problem fix, s3 have gap? feater/ gladia already on the standby, hp lost? Skalter fine a better friend than tachanka (still use him with her tho).
when you have the power to burst anything down with a war+exu+debuff the only thing left to consider is consistent aoe/mob clense, then after 2 year look at who have all of that.
So yeah, im gonna kill to get her.
Ah, spicy chicken. I'm going for her on my account for completionism reasons (Ashlock stop dodging me ffs), and also because she should be fun with Cheeto. Not too busted but hey, she's fun.
Horn also offers consistent, very long ranged AOE DPS with her S1. Not sure how the damage numbers compare though.
Oh, you mention it too. Should have watched the whole video first.
Her Kataokasan doujin makes me contemplate about life😅
Can you do an In dev review of irene pls
horn then spalt then irene, I follow release order generally
Is her base skill any good? I’m considering pulling for her so I can upgrade skills faster
Yes her baseskill is
I'm into the lore and story around Mostima (not so much the weird ships people do with her and... every girl around her) so I'm pulling for Fiametta. I already have Rosa so I really don't need either Fia or Horn and of the two, I'd rather go for the phoenix.
In term of operator's power & meta usage, is it fiametta or spalter who have higher priority?
fia is generally more powerful, but in the relevant aspirational content niches (i.e. specialistknights and lowstep and AHonly) spalter is significantly more relevant as fia only has sniperknights as a possible category and she's overshadowed there by a big margin
Wait, so Fiametta actually better than GoldenGlow? I was pulling on the GG and Aak Banner, but i got Fiametta instead
Idunno maybe im just copium
the event will rerun soon so the banner will right?
ill just let this slide for now
I kind of hoped for a comparison between W's s3 and Fia's s2
similar on paper but in practice like the only thing w3 is used for is longranged nuking tbh while fia is more close ranged, ironic as it is
Was very lucky on Ling banner, mediocre luck on gg, still got like 170 pulls left so why not
I spent all my resources on GoldenGlow(My new favorite operator), and I need to save for specter alter banner so I'll be skipping fiammetta banner, She does look like a good operator though.
Hopefully she spook you when pulling on Irene's banner.
@@QQxoxoQQ hopefully 🤞
We say this now but wait until she gets Modules that make her mortars do 1000000 dmg.
oh s3 is miswritten as skill two on the vid, was wondering why i got confused
oh nyo
Is next event going to be Fiammenta's? And kinda confused :/
cc8
Her S1's range in the vid is wrong, it should be 6 tiles width, not 5.
yeah used e0 range by accident LMFAO
It's a bit harsh to call W a weak unit, methinks "limited" suits her better.
Now yes, this is the perspective of a mostly casual player.
S1 I've never used and I believe S2 IS pretty weak. I mean... Fully automatic, denies potential deployment tiles, only hits ground units despite everything else W does hitting everything, and can even miss if the enemy is fast enough or activates 2 mines despite 1 being enough to kill it.
But come on, she's still got 2 pretty good talents which is a rarity among 6 stars, and that S3 still absolutely brings the heat in certain maps. A 5sec stun with a potential maximum burst of 3k x4 instant AOE damage, that stuff ravages anything that isn't a boss even if you don't get all 4 bombs. Yes it's 33sp but it's still somewhat manageable.
That skill was essential for my H9-6 clear I just can't call W weak when she was this instrumental to one of the harder maps of the game
Side note : I cleared H9-6 without any of the horsemen of BALANScalypse, and goddamn Leizi and Grani in the squad, I'm pretty sure I'm the only AK player to have ever used that combination in that stage. I'm that stubborn I guess.
well, 'weaker' relative to other potential units that may offer her competition
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