FF7R & RE3: Remaking games that have "aged poorly"
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2020
- haha look at these old games being new games.
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High praise you did good buddy and length was a risk worth taking making this long of a vid. Keep up the good work.
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Been loving your work for years. Still glad you keep making videos and the quality keeps rising.
"Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out of control, of a medium pushing to its limits and breaking apart. The distorted guitar sound is the sound of something too loud for the medium supposed to carry it. The blues singer with the cracked voice is the sound of an emotional cry too powerful for the throat that releases it. The excitement of grainy film, of bleached-out black and white, is the excitement of witnessing events too momentous for the medium assigned to record them." - Brian Eno
this is the quote you were looking for :) awesome video as always bro
That only works with medias that you only expectate. When you introduce interaction and mechanics to it the argument fall apart.
Even more when you lock it to specific systems. And them you add the invested time too.
Game design and game language changes way faster than movie or music. You only see nostalgia for its aesthetic and that's it.
@@MiloKuroshiro Never trust an edited comment.
@@MiloKuroshiro Not inherently true honestly, I really do miss a lot of those things even within gaming which is why I go back to the older games so much because more often than not they have the mechanics, design, visual style and sound that i've always enjoyed more since I was a kid.
@@MiloKuroshiro wtf are you talking about lol you see nostalgia for older gameplay styles all the time, look at the nostalgia present for fallout 1 style crpgs and the game design that era of rpgs featured, or retro shooters like dusk, or early 2000s style mech games like mechwarrior 5. game design and game language holds more nostalgia than aesthetic because of the speed that the industry moves at. look at the appeal of a game like STALKER for a perfect example of enos point, the ambition of that project shines thru the technology available. a game that plays like something old drums up significantly more nostalgia than a game that looks aesthetically old
@@jenkemsniffer8897 Very true
During the sector 7 section it felt really lonely to be Cloud, when you get to the 7th heaven they don't let you go to the hideout and you're awkwardly walking around the bar until you find the darts so you can play on your own, then they come up to celebrate and they're like "Sorry cloud, avalanche only" so i went to talk to Tifa and even her told me to leave and i was like "oh, ok then, guess i'll leave..."
Then you go to Jessie's house and everyone gets to eat pizza while Cloud waits outside looking at cats and sees how they all leave the black cat alone like "you too buddy?"
yeah i really appreciated that touch
at his core, cloud just wants friends. that is why it was such a treat to see him get close with jessie , biggs, and wedge during their mission where he even laughs for the first time. by the end of the game the team are all his friends and it’s great
Grimcutty film was sh*te
@@nakedinthe90s74 Their avatar is from Nier
Man, I'm glad you pointed out the Yakuza similarities in FFVII Remake. I couldn't shake that feeling while I was playing.
Also, MOM JUICE
Final Fantasy 7 remake turn from turn base combat into more action combat
while
Yakuza 7 turn from action combat into more turn base combat
I kinda doubted getting the ff7r as I was afraid it wouldn't have much content (or much fun content at least) but this comparison convinced me to get it
Lol, yeah, been hearing that a lot. I know some big streamers like Max said it
I don't think you pointed it out in your review though, prolly to keep it spoiler free.
@food wich on that point, I agree
@@shizotypical i hope you dont buy it yet.
"Pleasing everyone's demands, but no one's actual desires."
"my suspension was in disbelief"
imma steal that one.
That one was utterly brilliant, it also struck me.
Bars.
I find it funny how Final Fantasy VII went from "one of the best games ever made" to "Yeah, it totally needed a remake, aged so poorly!"
Which is hilarious, because the original FFVII is way better than the Remake is almost every conceivable way.
@@RDV333 now that's an unpopular opinion... It seems everyone is loving the remake!
Although my changing it to an action rpg I wouldn't enjoy it as much.
But I still haven't played any of them
@@Tulase Give it time, right now it's getting quite a lot of hyperbolic treatment. It has severe pacing, level design and combat issues that are being ignored because people are in their honeymoon phase with the game.
Good for them they're enjoying it, but I doubt this game will hold up to much further scrutiny of its core mechanics.
@@RDV333 It hilariously isn't...
@@Tulase Aside from gameplay and maybe character development (maybe) many people agree that the original is better
"Yeah so they remade Resident EvANYWAY HERE'S A WHOLE HOUR OF FF7"
Reflects the length. :P
I've really thought that it will be a video about "remakes and stuff"
@@Sawngawkuh exactly. @Dan you want equal time for a game that takes 40 hours to beat against q game that takes 5 hours to beat? K
there's probably a LOT more to unpack with ff7 than re3
Priorities.
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I REAlLY Like that the Lip synch in all Languages was made by an AI
Oh boy, means in a year or two, when Tim Sweeney perfects this tech... Oh boy...
Or whoever he hired to work on the unreal engine :/ *finds out the AI was made in blueprints*
... I swear if it was... This is why I'm an application developer and a no-name mobile indie developer
Either the AI fucked up bad for the German version, or they didn't bother to adjust the words.
But hey, at least the German script stays closer to the Japanese original. It's a give and take, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Robersora I think I have an answer to this weirdly enough. My understanding is the AI that was used in the game, from my research, for non-cinematic sequences. Dialog with NPCs, in-game dialog, and quick story sequences that don’t require a “budget”. The rest of the actual cutscenes (most story sequences) seem to use a combination of auto-lip syncing, but also performance capture and manual tweaking in the animation. And those sequences only seemed to have been properly synched to English and Japanese. It’s a similar situation to the localization of Judgement, one second characters are speaking fluent English with their lip-flaps in-synch, the next moment we’re in dub-city with a face that was clearly performance captured. I imagine a similar situation happened during development of FFVIIR to where you’ll have flavor sequences with characters that seem to be talking in fluent German, then bam, we’re back to dub-city. It’s a difficult predicament, auto-lip synching while good still needs manual adjustments. Timing is also another issue. Judgement for example had extra time and effort made to actually synch the timing of the dialog in English, outside the timing delivery in a line was originally given in Japanese. Sadly it seems watching FFVIIR in different languages online, the mouths may be synched correctly in English, but the delivery still feels trapped behind the timing of the original language. We’re getting close to a universal answer to all this nonsense, but sadly even with advanced AI capturing actors performances, were still dealing with how much of a development budget we need to use for said language.
I'm just here for the obligatory Racing Lagoon reference. Also, love the channel. Long live ThorHighHeels.
Glad to see your "Tale of Johnny" gimmick make its way to this game/video, cuz that's what I first thought of when I saw his antics in the remake
This ff7, to me, actually feels like what shenmue wanted to be: a game that gives you the sense of place, of getting to know it's locals and taking in the sights, the mood, all of that while a grandiose story is happening along.
People that rush through it like they're game journalists or speedrunners will not have such a good time as the ones that stop for a moment and appreciate all the care and detail put into it.
So...Yakuza?
I'm sorry. But this is *Final Fantasy* *
It's a Fantasy adventure series. Keep your slice of life crap in Shenmue. Or Persona
Man, I hate to break it to you but ff7 remake is not filled with "care and detail"
Sector 7 slums will prove that.
It's a rushed disaster.
Cam If it’s such a rushed disaster, then why is it already breaking all kinds of records and matching all-time best selling games like Spiderman and God of war? You are clueless.
@@worawatsr9803 I'm well aware it's breaking records but I cannot for the life of me I understand why. I agree that the combat is great and the main characters are very well done, and to be honest, I want to love it... but I really don't understand why people seem to not notice how much detail is lacking in the world compared to games like Witcher 3 or, hell, even Skyrim.
I was looking forward to exploring a fully formed Midgar as much as anyone, but I'm just disappointed in the general experience of the remake. However, I do like the combat and gameplay systems. I just wish they had more time.
To be clear, bravely default and persona 5 do very good for what they are. They still don't sell the numbers square wants for a mainline final fantasy.
@@jonettheonly BF is as much of a spinoff as a Final Fantasy as Vagrant Story is, in other words, for a FF game it sells terrible, but as a spin off, it's great and tries different things that FF didn't wanted to try/revisit at the time
@@jonettheonly which anime tropes.
@@junichiroyamashita all of them
FF is like the biggest name in the RPG market worldwide. Their mainline titles always outsell the competition, even when the games arent really worth it.
i dont think its a number "they want" as much as a number "they need". graphics are expensive, and there's no comparisson between the cost to make ff7 remake and persona 5. even is persona 5 is a great looker, it has more charm than good graphic. and unfortunatelly, in games, graphics sell.
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So to summarize the remakes:
Resident Evil 3 Remake: It tried but failed to surpass the original. Capcom, you're slipping into your old habits again./:(
Final Fantasy VII Remake: I LOVE THIS FREAKING REMAKE SO MUCH!!! It improves and expands on an already fantastic game, and makes me excited for the next parts. And the integration of the Compilation makes me very happy. I LOVE THIS GAME, I LOVE THIS GAME, I LOVE THIS GAME!!!XD
Great video Thor! I hope you're doing well and I'm looking forward to future videos!!!:)
Even RE2 Remake failed to surpass the original
@@cloudfoxdie First, the remakes weren't supposed to surpass the originals. 2nd, the remakes do things better than thr original and vice versa. The remakes are pretty much a completely different game tbh.
Thank you but did this video really need to be an hour long
Corvo@AZ you realize they are doing it in parts right
@Corvo@AZ Buddy, if you didn’t know that it was going to be episodic by this point, that’s on you. They have been stating over and over again for years now that they were going to divide the remake into parts, with each part roughly the size of one game in the Final Fantasy XIII series. If you didn’t know, you either cut yourself off from the internet for years, you don’t know how to read, or you’re an idiot.
I think RE3 remake was one of the most disappointing games I have ever played and FF7 remake was one of the most surprisingly good games I have ever played. It’s been a hell of a few weeks.
Re2 remake was shit too
Hyphen Six umm yea!!!!! Poor b scenarios ruined characters hella inconsistencies nowhere near faithful to original game lmao and outfits require money to be unlocked and original soundtrack 3 dollars and it doesn’t even contain all the original soundtrack capcom rushed this shit only retarded newcomers would claim otherwise lol you didn’t play original game so of course it fits you
@@Kiddo_williams Agreed, enemies lso became very bullet spongy, and they removed the extra damage on head shots the old games used to have
@@bloody4558 I'm playing the first remake and the enemies are way more spongy even without them being crimson heads.
@@Kiddo_williams Either you're blinded by nostalgia or you just have poor taste? Resident Evil 2 remake was actually what Resident Evil fans have been waiting for. It's scary, graphically beautiful, and vary immersive. Characters are realistic and act how they are suppose to, so don't be butt-hurt if Leon or Clair doesn't act like an anime character. Also, it's not considered a remake, but more of a "re-imagining" because almost every aspect of it is different than it's original counterpart but without alienating fans, so it doesn't have to be 100% faithful. Another thing, you mention poor B scenarios, what the hell are you talking about? The B scenarios are just like the original, different enemy spawns, new encounters, new weapons, and different endings. As a person who's played all the Resident Evil games, i can say that this is by far the best Resident Evil game, and if you don't think so then the entire gaming community will say otherwise.
Cutting up games into many parts will hopefully not become a trend.
Most of these gay trends such as paid dlc, auto health regen, long ass takedown sequence, and next one will be part trend that you need to buy $60 each for complete story.
Oh, it will.
no spoilers but, it makes sense after you play WHY ff7 was cut the way it was. for one, midgar is such a unique place in the original game, it does feel like a completely diferent game once you leave that area, both in setting as well as story progression.
as an aside, acording to someone who did a translation to ff7 remaster, aparently midgar text was around 45% of the entire translation.
@@marcosdheleno Trust Square Enix to do it quite well and also to finish the story.
Not so much if EA, Activision etc did it.
Or just developers who simply can't afford doing the next game because it wasn't as successful as they expected.
one of my greatest fears. even if some game allready did that via dlc
When the games industry realizes remakes are a cash cow and starts spitting them out left and right with little to no effort, I'd just like everyone to keep in mind:
You asked for this.
I think remakes need to be done with care and consideration. "Remaster" edition games, which are basic graphics updates, I'd argue are cheaper and quicker to make than a full remake.
@@nybxcrotona Yeah, remasters I don't have a problem with at all.
I was asking for remakes like Resident Evil 1 Remake 2002 that not only matched the original but surpassed it.
Ironic how that remake getting ported to PS4, Xbox One, and PC back in 2015 is what convinced Capcom to make more.
I didn't ask for this...
(I know it's a meme, but still, I love the originals)
Yea but just because they do this doesnt automatically mean they are crap! FF7REMAKE was the better Final Fanatsy game that's been released recently... so if done properly I am all down for it.
Somebody get this man his loco weed
Midgar being full of cats implies but never explicitly states there is a rat problem, which you’d expect in a city like Midgar. I love little things like that.
The way you talked, at first, made me think ‘oh boy, there’s some serious critique incoming’ but then you explained and compared directly and ohhhh boyy, did I love hearing all of what you said. I have the disadvantage of ‘being too young to play’ and ‘girls dont play games’ mentality (plus our country, at the time of ffvii release simply couldnt afford households to get their hands on games/consoles, so my brother’s desktop was a huge priviledge when it came to be), yet I had hardcore ff fans in my life whom I loved very much and got the story +/- retold. Yet, what the hardcore fans tell you, aside from the main plot (that probably makes no damn sense to you) are the tiny details. I heard Mainly about details that i, subsequently, forgot. Until I’ve played FFVIIR and OH BOY, was I over the moon. I remembered some! It was so weird since they’re not even my memories.. Even though I can’t claim to be extremely nostalgic, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the sense this brought into the franchise (or at least ffvii universe).
The ending itself made me question the ability of scriptwriters to ‘not overly complicate it’ (since i think its still damn complicated at its core withiut great pacing) so it’ll get digested well... but gods, do I want to throw all the damn money at the designers/animators and other key workers that made it possible to create the three things I’ll always look for: universe immersion, working combat ... and now just to hope they dont ditch the ‘actions=definitive consequences’
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With all the great stuff they did with ff7r, I can't help but feel like I'm the butt of a big joke after where that story goes. I totally bought into it being a faithful remake, recontexualized interpretation of the original. Was so excited to see how they'd update it. It's fun, nailed a lot of things like character personalities. I was reliving a piece of my childhood. Loving it. Then they pull the rug out from under me and laugh at me for having genuinely enjoyed the remade part of this "remake" at all.
"When writer and game designer Yuji Horii discovered Wizardry at the 1983 Apple Fest in San Francisco, the new title ignited his imagination and immediately influenced his future games. He first incorporated elements from Wizardry into the Nintendo Famicom version of Enix’s adventure game The Serial Murders at Port Pier (1985). As Koichi Nakamura reprogrammed the game, Horii added monster encounters and borrowed the Wizardry phrase “Monster surprised you!” Horii wanted to make a true Wizardry-like RPG for the Famicom, but he also worried that the millions of Japanese home console owners would find RPGs too complicated.
Horii therefore made his Dragon Quest (1986) as straightforward an RPG as he could. Instead of giving players several character choices, Horii focused the game on developing one character in-depth from a fighter to a knight. The one character needs to recover a sacred artifact stolen by the evil Dragonlord. Along the way, the player’s character gains strength and experience by fighting back monsters and rescuing a princess. The combination of Dragon Quest’s gameplay, manga artist Akira Toriyama’s illustrations, composer Koichi Sugiyama’s original score, and Horii’s Shohen Jump magazine articles introducing Japanese players to RPGs, helped sell more than 2 million copies of the game and created a Japanese cultural phenomenon."
I know you love your shitty forgotten JRPG's but Hydlide has nothing to do with the creation of Dragon Quest
wait, was it wizardry? i though it was ultima. or maybe it was Final Fantasy that took inspiration from ultima(which explains why ultima weapon is so important to the franchise).
So happy that you talk about the little details of FF7 Remake. While everyone is complaining about the ending, you are dropping some good ass information about the subtle details
welltheendingwas awful....
Man I can't get over how well structured your videos are. Like full on Degree-in-English essay structure. I'm so sick of reviewers just sort of recounting the plot and inserting jokes and comments, this is ace. And you're never all rant-y, it's all just sort of measured and chill. Really nice videos to vibe to. Nice work dude.
Are you joking? Inserting jokes, ranting, it's all in his video's?! He's as bad as you claim he is.
@@X360M Yeah but it's a chill time. Like hearing your buddy talk about something he loves, rather than someone ranting about something he hates.
Chapter 2 upper Midgar is such a great location. Too bad we only get to see it once. Hoped we'd be back for some side quests Crisis Core style.
i wouldnt put past square to re release crisis core, who knows, maybe we may even get a "kingdom hearts chain of memories" situation. with that ending in the remake and most people having no idea what it means, at the very least they must be looking for a remaster of CC.
@food wich same here. I feel it's a waste of time/resources to make such detailed environments for so little use.
I would love if they have crisis core as dlc or something
if you got any sidequests, the purists would scream that theres more "useless filler content" lol
@@artanaillazentujin3449 I understand, it'd only work if the quests are actually interesting and better than simple fetch quests. SE still has to work on that I think...
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IMO according to the definition of a video game remake and of what they have been in the past and the present, FF7R is not a remake but more of a sequel/reimagine of the OG, changing themes and core elements while adding stuff that was never part of the plot like multiple timelines and reviving dead characters.
RE remakes on the other hand are proper remakes.
Handling the FFVIIR in that way was likely the only way in which the plot elements of the expanded FFVII lore could be included, in some fashion. Instead of creating a full RPG sequel, in the form of an FFVII-2, everything was handled with spin-off sequels and prequels that each only covered a chunk of the world or plot, as opposed to what a hypothetical full RPG sequel could have covered. The main issue there is that the spin-offs, on the whole, covered far too many plot elements, and left nothing for a full RPG sequel to cover.
Reimagining the OG FFVII in an expansive remake is a great way to get around this, since the expansive plot elements of sequels and prequels can be added in.
@@MrNobody47710 I think Ff7R integrade showed they could have left the main story intact while adding those expanded universe ideas in DLC as things that happend in the background of the original and we just never got to see them.
As of now the only goal they seem to have is to have Zack alive and give him a more important role in the story, that may be linked with maybe Aerith also surviving in some way, fanfiction level stuff, but then again, they are the creators.
@@max1311
It seems like SE is basically using FFVIIR as a substitute for the full RPG sequel that they never created (i.e., the hypothetical "FFVII-2"), by incorporating plot elements that could have been used in an FFVII-2. SE probably cannot create a full RPG sequel without rendering the rest of the "Compilation" non-canon, since the games/movies/OVAs leave very little story for a full RPG sequel to cover. "Advent Children" covered Sephiroth returning, and "Dirge of Cerberus" covered Hojo/Shinra, while "Before Crisis" and "Crisis Core" expanded on the backstory. All of that could have been in a full RPG FFVII-2, but it was spread out in smaller spin-offs.
FFVIIR is kind of a weird approach to create the sequel that SE was not able to originally create.
the title of the game is VERY misleading. it isnt "A REMAKE" or 'THE REMAKE". "remake" is just the subtitle.
the game is remaking the world's history.
i think they COULD have left the main story intact, but i DONT think they ever intended to in the first place. i dont think this game is JUST an excuse to piece together the compilation. I thik it's a VERY intentional diversion from the OG
Amazing video, I barely paid attention to the midgar segment and I can’t believe how much life they put into it and expanded on with remake
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Speaking of compilation stuff holy shit man I lost my marbles when they started dropping lore about deep ground
But the compilation content and lore is a terrible cringe fest
@@patrickweller5254 yeah but not only is it fun and goofy, the compilation was made and it happened and theres nothing anyone can really do about it
@@telesticHarlequin before crisis seems to be the game with the better story from the compilation, but it's the one we didn't get.
@@telesticHarlequin You could just ignore it, like most FFVII fans have for the past decade. The compilation isn't funny and goofy at all - Dirge of Cerberus in particular has one of the worst stories I've ever seen in a videogame.
@@RDV333 okay thats a little bit fair but also why did you pick dirge of cerberus as your first choice when explaining how the compilation isnt funny or goofy. dirge of cerberus is so fucking goofy and thats the thing thats fun about it
Both reimaginings send a different message from one thing. FF7 gave the message that it is just another interpretation of the story because the OG can be played legally on the same system as the remake. RE3make gives the message that it is meant to replace it because you can't play the OG on the same system. Even though some gamers would usually say play both versions. They are different enough.
I'm basically saying that Capcom should have had the original be playable on the same systems as the Remakes. Either it be a bonus in the reimagining or sold seperatly. I'm more interested in playing the original then the reimagining, and I grew up with the OG xbox and not the ps1. With the only game with fixed camera angles I've played was an hour of Onimusha
44:26 easily my favorite part of the video. "...as Tifa goes feral and violently trashes their shit."
I always like a mod for these old games that makes bold systemic change. FF7 mod that doubles enemy HP/attack power and halves encounter rate for example. The FFT Metroid Composite mod also keeps vanilla flav but makes everything useful in a cool way.
I watched a man describe how much he enjoys the ff7 remake and go into high detail about why with afew caveats and forewarnings, and go into the comments and see ten replies of 'yeah man shit sucks how could they do this to the original.'
Alot of people complain without even playing it, as if the original were some sacred and untouchable piece.
@@Rihcterwilker I'm one of those people. I have no intention of paying so that I could watch Namura turn FFVII into KH4. Don't get me wrong, it looks gorgeous and the combat looks insane, but the dance scene and the things I've heard about the ending are enough to put me off.
The way I look at it, if I know I'm going to hate some elements of it, why not wait till it's all out and get angry at it then? I'll even save myself some money by not paying 60$ for 25% of a game.
PhenPhall i understand and respect your complaints but saying $60 for 25% of a game is a little ridiculous. It’s still a full game in in of itself, just not the full story. By that logic you can say Any game without a sequel isn’t a full game. Aside from that tho, the game is fantastic and everything they’ve remade from the original is great. The dance scene is really great as well and the characters are spot on but if you’re put off by the time ghosts I can’t blame you at all. I just wanted a remake of OG ff7 but I’m not mad at what we got. We’ll just have to see where they go from here.
I mean, have you seen the ending? Haha I don't think anyone wanted a sloppy meta narrative on pushing a reboot for these characters and they're story, it almost feels deceptive to a point. Without going into huge detail, nearly the rest of the game is fantastic but that ending, oof.
@@juda210 To me, and this is a personal opinion, there is a difference between a game that has an ending to it's story, but also a sequel (like Bayonetta or Bioshock) and telling half a story from the start.
I'm really not a fan of that for two reasons - One is that I personally get de-vested. I lose interest if I have to wait so long for an ending and then I might as well wait till it's all out.
Second is that I don't trust Nomura and modern Square-Enix to tell the story to it's completion. I think they will milk it for all they can while the sales are good with endless small increments, then wait a few years before ending the saga when people forgot the less-than-good games. Why do I think that? Because that's what they did with Kingdom Hearts.
Superb video. As I made my study on literature and places/spaces (kind of), your stage and aesthetic focused reviews are just my jam.
you're easily one of my favorite channels right now, keep up the great work!
I enjoy the Resident Evil 3 remake but it can be a whole lot better. I remember hearing a rumor back during the early days of the Resident Evil 2 remake development that they were going to develop the story of Resident Evil 3 as DLC for that game.
That had me worried because Resident Evil 3 is my favorite game in the series and I thought it deserved it's own time in the spotlight. But after playing it I do have to say that it feels like DLC for Resident Evil 2. Good DLC but DLC nonetheless.
The major problems with the Resident Evil 3 remake are pacing and structure. The first hour of the original Resident Evil 3 is covered in the first 5 minutes of the remake. And the exploration the series is known for at least in its early days is severely cut down. The original Resident Evil 3 took the structure of the first two games and broke it down into bite-size chunks. Instead of one or two large areas to explore you had a bunch of slightly smaller interconnected areas to explore.
You travel to each area of the game which are apart of a large environment. When it's time to go to the Hospital from The Clock Tower you go to the hospital from The Clock Tower. In the Resident Evil 3 remake when it's time to go to the hospital a cutscene will just put you at the hospital. And that's not even mentioning the areas that were cut.
I do enjoy the Resident Evil 3 remake but it's clear to me that the people who made the Resident Evil 2 remake really love and admire the original Resident Evil 2 and the people who made the Resident Evil 3 remake do not.
Rest in peace Paul Haddad.
Can't really fault Crisis Core for not expanding Midgar, it was a PSP game - limited in scope, specs, and load times.
Limitations spawn creativity. And the system was far more powerful than a PSX. Hardware limitations are never a valid excuse for just retreading ground.
Wow im so glad i found your channel. Your videos are amazing man, thank you! You said, like a hexagonal wheel with a weird mustache lol. Amazing
Really enjoyed your take on the changes in FF VIIR. Recently discovered your channel and I love your content!
I've always called Cloud, Cloud Mc'Strife to make fun of Fox's name.
Turn based done right will in my opinion always triumph over Action RPGs. See the SMT games, and also Bravely Default.
0:28 Goddamn that Atmosphere in the R.P.D.! A year later..and still makes me feel uneasy..and gives me chills..
Awesome video! love your style thorhighheels!
can we get an re: outbreak remake already
I hold no nostalgia for FF7 and RE3, so it was funny to read "games that aged poorly". Recently played both of the originals and i'm playing through FF7RE (finished RE3 remake already), and honestly?... while technically inferior, the originals are a lot better, story and pacing wise. I guess i'll never understand why companies keep on remaking games while making huge changes to them that diminish what made them great in the first place (yeah, it's because of money obviously).
I think FF7 remake fleshes out the characters more. The part when Cloud, Jessi, Biggs and Wedge parachuting, was excellent. Aerith climbing that ladder and it breaks on her, saying shit, chuckled. Then the banter between Cloud and Barret, you can see over time they become more friendly. Reminds me and a buddy, we worked together and over time started to banter back and forth.
So, I actually got both original and remake for FF7 explicitly just to compare how they are. They went for a much slower pace with FF7 Remake, compared to the original. It helps flesh out the world and side characters, as Jessie, Biggs and Wedge didn't get much to do in the original. The battle system for original 7 may be too slow for people, so I do appreciate the efforts to blend the old style and new style of combat.
Honestly, the hype for a FF7 remake has been around far longer than any other game that has been remade, imo. So maybe it's just bias when I say the product is a worthy remake.
@@jacobtaylor7506 I won't argue that it's a well done remake but it's just a part of the story, if it's worth it or not is only gonna be known when all the chapters are out. Square could botch the next chapters or cancel them all together (FFXV comes to mind). There's also the fact that if the ending is anything to go with it's not actually a remake, but that's another debate entirely, lol.
@@nybxcrotona I won't argue that it's a well done remake but it's just a part of the story, if it's worth it or not is only gonna be known when all the chapters are out. Square could botch the next chapters or cancel them all together (FFXV comes to mind). There's also the fact that if the ending is anything to go with it's not actually a remake, but that's another debate entirely, lol.
@@jacobtaylor7506 Got the answers mixed up and replied to another comment, lol, but in a nutshell: yeah, they flesh out the characters more, but there's also tons of padding that kill the pacing quite a bit. Also, while it's nice to those characters interact, some of the banter is so by-the-numbers-jrpg-wink dialogue that it got a bit tiresome for me after a while (and i do like the remake, i can only imagine how it is for people that didn't like it). I do intend to play the other parts as well, but at this point i really don't see it as a remake (specially if you consider the ending), it's a nice piece that goes along with the original... but so far i still like the original more.
This really was an indepth look into what FF7R means in context with a small RE3 intro attached, and it was nice.
I’ve been sharing your videos with friends a lot lately because I honestly can’t believe that you don’t have more subs. Love the content man, keep it up!
This is exactly what I needed after finishing both of these this week, I love you, you handsome devil
honestly i'm just thrilled at the prospect of this ff7 remake bringing about the bishie renaissance i've been awaiting for the past decade
100% my favorite CZcamsr
Speaking on my two favorite og games what more could I ask for.
Great video mate, pretty much sums up how I feel about both games.
RPG fans never had a problem with turn-based. Change was forced on the genre for no reason. FFX and 6th gen RPGs sold tons and got higher critical praise than modern FFs.
I'm a fan of rpgs... but if every rpg was turn-based, I'd definitely play less of them. There's a difference between change and variety.
Don’t forget Persona 5. It made a lot of money in this age of fast paced action shooter games
FF7 still exists and you can still play it. If you play the fan translation it's still really good. FF7R can exist too, i don't see a problem with that. In a perfect world we would have the choice between turn-based combat or the more actiony combat but that's asking a bit much when it's already probably the only good product Square has put out in 20 years.
And as far as getting better critical reception than modern final fantasies that's because the modern ones are just bad it had nothing to do with the combat being turn-based or not it was just because they were objectively bad games.
Turn based sucks outside of shin Megami tensei ngl
These two games didn’t age poorly. Look at the originals of these games. The only thing the new ones have better is the graphics.
Original FF7 as a whole still feels more Immerssive imo , still has way better pacing , better music ( they even messed this up )
more effective mature mood , more charming expression ( FF7R's US voice acting sounds horrible and the changed dialogue too ). No design method or graphical style Is ever old anyway , It's all just personal preference , the original did far more In It's time
with the tech It had.
I'd been waiting for the right CZcamsr to pop my FF7:Remake review cherry and I'm glad it was you.
Also... super glad I found your channel this was an amazing video
I personally think the originals aged fine and I still love the remakes and loving what they have been doing with Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil
I actually think the original RE3 is the best of the classic Resident Evils (fixed cameras, tank controls, etc.)
@Nathan Thompson Um...yes?
Nemesis in that one is an awesome organic Terminator.
I also preferred the UBCS soldiers in that one too. They had their own uniforms and insignia. Even Operation Raccoon City and to a lesser extent Resident Evil Apocalypse got this right.
I agree. RE3's oppressive atmosphere and intense moment to moment gameplay are still the most tonally consistent in the franchise. Maybe on the same level of RE7. I also liked the tight gameplay and routing options during each phase of the narrative and never found it confusing (you always see the thing you're getting things for, and you always have an idea of where the things are).
Good thing you uploaded this an hour after I went to bed, so when u inevitable woke up in the middle of the night I'd have something to wake me up again
I'm always incredibly excited to see you've uploaded a new video --- ThorHighHeels, you are truly a gem amongst the poop.
I absolutely died when you brought back the "MOM JUICE" joke from previous FF7 videos. I was more excited over that than I was over a character return in a game lol.
Calling OG FFVII's combat slow strikes me as really strange.
FFVII has one of the fastest command based combat systems in the series, and indeed in the genre generally.
Go to the menu, set the battle speed to max, and full active, and the average charge time of the ATB is roughly 2.5 seconds, meaning when your have 3 characters, you'll literally always have a menu open.
Battle transitions are swift, and loading times the shortest of the psx FF games.
I can understand simply not liking command based combat, but the idea that FFVII plays slow is such a weird sentiment. Like, what games are you even comparing it to?
The greater irony here is that since the ATB/commands are also in the remake, and filling the ATB is pretty much required to take down enemies and is done by spamming regular attacks, most encounters in the remake take longer than their original counterparts.
Again, if you prefer it simply because it requires more input or feels more visceral that's fine?
But slow? Nah.
Great video, I felt it might have lost some of the subtleties like you said, but you really convinced me to kinda approach it as a new take on the game. I recently replayed the original and the writing and foreshadowing is pretty good, and the ignorance of the terrorism is part of the subtlety that makes the player question it even if the main cast doesnt say anything. Living in a third world country, people saying "rich people" deserve a certain thing can be common while youre with an uneducated cab driver, and that's life I guess. When people feel they're treated unfairly, that thinking in a way is understandable, though not commendable.
Anyway, different approach, except for Sephiroth appearing more often makes him less menacing I feel. Great vid! :D
Damn, I remembered your video about FF7 Comp and the bearded Cloud and Tifa
I should've finished the game before watching this video, but from playing the beginning and what you mentioned about the ending, I feel like my theories from months ago might be true. I think these remakes are gonna go down the Evangelion rebuild route, by the final game it's gonna be a completely different ending and story. Lol I can see as Sephiroth is about to kill Aerith Cloud says "Not this time" and stops him and our whole world literally explodes and the time starts over again, it's 1995 I'm being birthed forced to relive my life again.
So far, this destiny thing can just be a side thing, showing a little here and there of a "what if" scenario. The problem is Nomura and his need to overcomplicate what is good enough as it is.
Or maybe not.
But who knows.
@@Rihcterwilker the 1 definitive (and possibly only) problem with the narrative of part 1 are the fans of the original who are too blinded by nostalgia to accept that the story could be different give it about half a year or maybe a full one and peoples heads will slowly come out of their asses and realise "wait that was actually brilliant and I was too blinded by my idiocy to accept it"
Man, nobody gonna say anything about this people making girls so good looking? like how they do it?
i know right? they outdid themselves with resident evil 3 remake.
Everyone is hot in FF7 Remake, men or women.
@@sportsjefe People didn't pay attention to the whole package 🌚
A Feature length episode of Thor???? FUCK YEAH.
I have to say, with how you talked about this game (FF7R) it got me to buy and play the game before I saw this video. It's been a bit now since I've beaten it, and I'm happy I did! I am glad to be able to watch this video now and enjoy it since I've played a lot of this game. It's officially gotten me into the series too, since playing this led me to playing Final Fantasy 14. Thank you ThorHighHeels, you've encouraged me to get into something I never thought I could and expanded my view on video games.
Saying a game aged poorly because of its graphics is like saying Shakespeare aged poorly because it has archaic language, or a film aged poorly because it doesn’t have sound.
i agree, the beauty of JRPGs is that, specially ff games, the mechanics will not lose its luster no matter when you play them. graphics are, unfortunatelly, something they can only fix to a point. and ff7 unfortunatelly dont have as much space to grow as the games after.
Just install the fan mod that upscales the background and pre-rendered textures to HD. Suddenly, the old jank is new again and you have a game with better gameplay, tone and artstyle than the remake.
It's mostly gameplay
It has aged poorly though. FF6 that came out on the Super Nintendo looks better than FF7.
I get your perspective and you showed quite well the thinking behind many of the changes, however at this point it's really not FF7 anymore. It's a new game with art direction inspired by that classic game, because stretching Midgar to a full game and inserting all the fate ghosts just so you can develop whatever you want in the future mean it has stopped being FF7.
It wasn’t supposed to be. What fans anticipated was the exact same story just with better graphics. But what was delivered is an addition to the FF7 compilation. The “Remake” in the title is more of a mindfuck. It’s not a remake of the game, but Seph’s attempt to remake destiny.
so you have two games and still complain. good job, gamers, good job ;)
its not ff7. its ff7:remake. this game is just as much ff7 as crisiscore is ff7.
its not a remake of ff7. its a whole new game: a diversion of the plot. the characters broke destiny
Holy shit man great video. You basically summed up all my thoughts in FFVIIR while also making some other points that I hadn’t even considered. For example, I was kind of against how much Sephiroth was in the game prior to the Shinra building but your point that everything was much more fleshed out in this version so the build-up to him wouldn’t have worked made a lot of sense and made me reconsider his implementation. As for the ending, I’m still kind of in the middle on it and it really depends on where they go with it from here. Still, I applaud the balls on Square for taking some risks with this game even if it might piss off a lot of fans. If they can maintain the level of quality and detail this game has than I am totally here for future installments even if it does turn into Nomura bullshit.
This is definitely going to be a watch in multiple sittings video. Especially cause I don't want any of the in-between of FF7 Remake revealed to me earlier. I enjoyed the part on RE 3 though. Quality content as usual from ThorHighHeels.
come one man, everyone knows snape kills aerith to stop her from suplexing the ghost train that is being possessed by dumbledore's pet phoenix... its common knowledge at this point...
You had me worried for a minute that you were gonna trash ff7 remake a lil bit but then you made me appreciate it even more than I already did and thats cool like you do not know.
Also: "Tifa aka Childhood friend boobs" is a gem
@Corvo@AZ Agreed. I'm surprised Thor liked the aesthetic. So much of FF7R's added material does not fit the look of 7 whatsoever IMO. Same with the dreary-tech music. The whole 90's anime sci-fi look is bland-ified.
I totally agree the original games are better than the remakes and they need to calm this shit down for sure. I would prefer to play the original more so than the remakes or RE any day.
RE1 Remake 2002 is the best one because the original creator and team worked on it and made the game better than RE1 1996 in every way.
RE2 Remake was good, but they already started getting lazy and cutting/changing stuff from the 1998 RE2.
RE3 Remake feels like a complete reboot or even new game. Wasn't even made by the same team who did RE2 Remake and the dip in quality speaks for itself.
Who knows what their gonna do to RE4 now...
Did you watch the whole vid? Thor loved FF7R and said that, in many ways, it was superior to the original.
Yes pls, make a full video about the wallmarket, would love to see it.
Man, your style is just.. I don't know how to describe it but.. I fucking love it. You are definitely one of the most unique content creator on the internet and I want to fingerbalst your ps1 aesthetic ass
the FF7 extended universe is one of the worst I have ever seen, I have no idea how someone can be okay with Nomura being given freedom to do what he wants with the story.
Me: Its 1:35am i need to sleep
Thor: Oh...
Nice to see some positive reception for the FFVII remake stuff! I loved my playthrough!
Very, very well written and delivered disquisition. Subscribed.
All the games I played in 2020 are remakes of old games.
Doom Eternal is a remake of Doom 2 ('93)
Resident Evil 3 is a remake of Resident Evil 3: Nemesis ('99)
Final Fantasy VII Remake is a remake of Final Fantasy VII ('97)
Trials of Mana is a remake of Seiken Denetsu 3 ('95)
Man, you hit the nail on the head with the FF7 Remake you basically described exactly how I feel about it thanks for the video!
Holy shit, your point about scale of Midgar is so apt, I didn't even notice
It's been 2738595 years since I've seen a new vid from this boy
FFVII Remake is too different from the original FFVII.
If you're just wishing to revisit the FFVII universe but don't expect anything in particular, it will likely be entertaining enough. However, if you expect this to be a true remake of the original game, there is a high risk of disappointment. The game has a lot of weird decisions that didn't sit well with me. Differences with the original that felt off and the game ought to have just been the original story with improved graphics. Check a playthrough and you'll see what I mean.
This is not a remake, this feels more like a reimagining.
thats why its called a remake and not a remaster
@@latviandragon2718 Resident Evil 2 is a remake too and is way more similar to the original than FFVII. I call this a Reimagine.
@@franciscobutte yeah whatever
I personally think the remake of ff7 is way too long for its own good and the combat system has the exact same flaw the original did (namely making thr gameplay worse so it looks great) but instead of just making it slow the whole system is now almost broken because of the horrible camera and the not well thought out abilities. Also whats with the constant slowing down of cloud to a crawl... anyway great video as allways
I had gripes with the battle system too because I swear I'm spending more time in battle than I was in the original. I also hate how you can't escape fights. They also took away all control from you, like being able to sneak into the Shinra building or go in head first through the front door and instead made you fight loads of enemies through the back door, which for some reason doesn't alert any of the security throughout the building, all because they wanted to pad out this sequence. It also doesn't give you the option to sneak past enemies, like when you're crossing a pipe over two sleeping enemies, and then the game puts you into the fight regardless because they make the pipe fall. Why give us the illusion of option and then take it away? I don't play RPG's for fighting, I play them for story which I'm not getting because I'm fighting 3/4 of the time. Don't even get me started on the Arbiters of Fate or that stupid Train Graveyard scene.
Bumble Grumble you do get a choice once you get into the Shinra building. You can either take the long way up the stairs or the elevator, you just start off in a fight. And the game gives a reason why the rest of security is not alerted and it’s thanks to the Mayor
@@charlestonobryant807 Yeah, you only get the choice once you've fought your way through. That's not the same. And the mayor wouldn't be able to intervene radio calls between security so it still doesn't make sense.
@@peachesandcream8753 if you look inside the mayors office you see a bunch of monitors with camera feeds which implies he at least has some control over shinra building security
@@peachesandcream8753 you can run away from fights though so this entire post is just pure ignorance
I feel the same way about the changes. You don't change a loving master piece without pissing people off.
Wow I seriously enjoyed this. You put a lot of time and effort into this and it seriously shows. Definitely helped me understand what exactly the fuck happened with that FF7R ending. I can appreciate it a bit more now. Execution wasn't the best, but it has a clear intent to bring new story for fans and that's always welcome in my book. Thanks for your hard work! You make an FF7 fan very happy.
46:42 I've played the original ffvii about 5 times end to end, and I STILL have to look up the story on a wiki. vii marks the point of no return for 'simultaneously dead but also not dead,' fake memories, multiple dimensions, reincarnation etc shit that every ff game had since. ffviii, x, xiii and kingdom hearts in particular were like hold my fucking beer fam.
Whilst I (and many others) agree that the stories of VIII, X, XIII, and KH have cluster fuck stories, you're the first person I've ever come across that found FFVII hard to follow. There's a fair bit going on, both plot-wise and thematically, but the story is paced in such a way that it never felt convoluted. But that's just me, and everyone else I've come across. Shame it didn't click with you in the same way.
I feel that when people look back on the game, they tend to really just remember the important character bits and gloss over how convoluted the build up to Sephiroth got during the second and third disc.
@@chrisossu2070 Can't really agree. I got into FFVII only a couple of years ago, + some replays here and there, so it's pretty fresh in my memory. I've also talked to a good number of people who've beat it very recently (As in, a couple of days ago.) and they had no issue following along either. I know a couple of people who've played it since 1997 as well, and they vividly recognized every plot point as they were watching the new players.
I'm beat the game for the first time last year. Game wasn't that hard to follow tbh
VII marked the beggining of "jerk main character with amnesia"
My meta-canon is: Sephiroth is Nomura and the Whispers are those fans that want the exact same game again
Haitani yup
Lmfao tekken 1 fmvs were nightmare fuel that Kazuya smile still haunting me to this day
as someone who grew up with them i can garantee you, they were amazing at the time.
One hour thor video? Thank you for the food!!
I appreciate your considered approach to the game, the changes made by the ending(no spoilers) really left a sour taste in my mouth but this kinda of, review of all the games good bits really kinda helped me reflect on how much fun the game is that said I still wish they would have left the last 5 hours or so the same as the original as it felt kinda padded in addition to being poorly conveyed and paced. TLDR Great game if u never flayed the first debatable if u have.
I feel that the whole 'game aged poorly' is little more than marketing hyperbole. One peddled by publishers, media covering it and, more perplexing, a majority of the folk who consume it.
My perspective is, if a dude today can't get on with a game from before, make a them a new game that caters to their modern needs and let them have a similar formative experience as us dudes who had that original game. Why so many want the past recreated? We all lose our shit when our fave movies get cynically remade.
Not games, How weird that of all entertainment mediums, none despise its history more than video games.
99% of the time when you hear "Aged poorly" in regards to video games it's code for "I don't fuck with old graphics". That's it. They try and dress it up and coach it in academic think piece verbage but that's just to cover how shallow so many people are. You have people who won't watch old movies because black and white, won't watch foreign movies because subtitles, won't even read books full stop, so when you have an entire generation of people whose video game tastes only started developing post-PS1 it's no surprise that they won't have the tolerance for low fidelity anything because they have never had to in the first place. Games like FF7, RE3, and others haven't aged poorly at all; anyone whose actually played the games can tell you that. That whole term only applies to things like human beings and houses and shit that will actually begin to decay and fall apart as it gets older if not properly maintained. A piece of software can't age, it's exactly what it was the day it was made. All that has changed is people's assumptions about what a video game "should be".
I can relate though. I can't play Atari 2600 games, they look like shit and aren't fun for me 99% of the time. To me they have aged poorly. I can definitely see someone who is 15 or 20 years younger than me being turned off by these older games. The ps1/n64 era in particular is very hard to get into if you weren't around when it was new shit.n IMO first gen 3d console games are harder to enjoy than SNES/GEN era 2d stuff, because 2d was at it's pinnacle at that time. Meanwhile they were still figuring out how to make different genres work in 3d, and it shows, especially in the controls and camera. They are a lot less forgiving and user friendly compared to modern stuff. It doesn't help that most of the graphics are... not as good as I remember them. A lot of imagination is needed to fill in the blanks where the visuals are concerned, whereas with today's games you don't need to do that.
I think it is completely possible for games to age poorly, but it's more a matter of perspective.
@@jokerzwild00 That's certainly interesting. I've always wondered if Atari era stuff can be classified as games, cause I saw them more as toys. Perspective as you say.
Still, my point remains; wouldn't all this effort be better served going into a Final Fantasy 16? Who's to say that couldn't be this generation's FF7? What they've done now, from what I gleam from the video, is done a Star Trek 09 to their biggest game.
No scrap that, it's more like Terminator Genysis. Something familiar cynically changed to try and keep it going indefinitely and milk it to the point where the original work is undermined. Anyone's welcome to call me a snob or whatever, but the world has enough cynicism in it.
Still, I can't get too worked up about this shit. There are far worse things in the world going on right now.
That K7 reference out of nowhere and riiight on Aerith's was just... wow. It was like the KAEDE's to Sephirot's heaven's smiles.
I was expecting this video soo much