Jocko Podcast 155 w/ Jordan Peterson: Jordan Peterson and Jocko VS. Evil. The Gulag
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0:00:00 - Opening: Cannibal Island, by Nicolas Werth
0:07:32 - Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Jocko VS. Evil
1:36:35 - Support: How to Stay on the Path
1:57:09 - Closing Gratitude.
*Jocko tucks cute little daughter into bed and proceeds to read her a bedtime story*
Jocko : "the dead were piling up"......
federiche neitzche This is bedtime story #62 with me, Dad.
“The bodies were piling up...”
HAHAHA!
I actually laughed out loud to this one thanks
Hahahaaa!!!
Haaaaa.. brilliant
"Jocko Pocast"
5 seconds in "the dead were piling up"
ThePlatinumMatt oof, 0:12 seconds in.
Okay I’ll leave.
😂😂😂
YES haha
"Aw shit here we go again "
"A SEAL and a shrink were sitting in a bar".
02 stampede I’d kill just to sit next to them, buy them drinks and just listen
"The bodies were piling up"
You better get your act together bucko!!!
That bar better have lobster and serotonin
Sitting in a bar just chewing the fat💀
Peterson has his finger on the pulse of what’s happening in America right now, this should be mandatory listening, great job Jocko.
Hey can you tell me which book are they reading?
Mandatory??? Totalitarianism !!!!! Jk
@@solaveritas2thanks
I would say Australia needs to be taught this stuff in school just as you suggest America does. The people in my country do not know how truly blessed we are in this present time to be at peace and not at war. There is no appreciation for history. It is disrespectful. We are where we are thanks to the history of war!
@@tookyohead New Zealand must be even worse
Thank you for mentioning the imprisonment of red soldiers at 44:30. My wife's grandfather was one of those prisoners. He was taken as a POW by the Nazis, and although he was Jewish, his blonde hair and blue eyes allowed him to pretend he wasn't, and survive. After 3 years, he was liberated from the camp but was then sent to a gulag for 10 years until the death of Stalin...something about being a traitor for not dying in the war.
He lived until 91, always a smile on his face. The man was tough as nails.
The spectrum of what Russia considered "betrayal" in WWII was as broad as the day is long. You can see its remnants today in Putin's hunting and killing of former soviet spies.
TRUTH! Too many people are unaware of how paranoid Stalin was. We of course now have his correspondence records where he mentions the soviet people cannot trust the Red Army POW's because they have now seen the "western spoils" and have now become one of the "bourgeois".
Now historians call this the 1st peek behind the Iron Curtain, because at the time of the conference, which signed over the return of RA POWs, the allied leaders were informed RA soldiers were pleading to remain because they would killed.
Papa Stalin always used to say: "There are no Soviet prisoners of war, only traitors"
The soldiers knew that surviving enemy imprisonment wont make their lifes any better and they most likely will end up beeing executed or working in a gulag in the siberian ice. Even decades after Stalins death these people were still considered second class veterans and in general treated as traitors.
@DJ Xistential dude that is disgusting. By saying this you are just as bad as the nazis. And to have the nerve to write this on a jordan peterson podcast. Disgusting
@@gertalen9616 I hope this is a joke
I'm halfway through the Gulag Archipelago and I'm astonished about how little I really knew about the atrocities that went on in Russia. Why aren't they teaching this in schools? This book should be required to read in schools.
Indoctrination systems despise reality.
I'm thinking it comes down to what Glen says, public education is very left leaning and they wouldn't want to shine a light on socialism.
Hugh Clowers Thompson and his crew were true American heroes for what they did at My Lia.
jergarr3800 It’s not in grade school curriculum because it’s incredibly dark book, and if you don’t have your head about you it will do more harm than good
Because the e xdr education system is left leaning and supports socialism /communisim and wants b.c to keep brainwashing our youth into thinking it's a good thing
I worked with a woman from Bosnia in a bakery many years ago. She told me about sneaking into harvested potato fields across from her home. Her best friend was by her side. She told me, “one minute I was taking to my friend, we were laughing - and the next, she was gone.” Her friend had stepped on a mine that the soldiers had buried in the fields after harvesting was finished. She told me, “It was life, and that’s how life was there. So now I am here.” How I wish those voices of past and present experience could be louder than the ignorant shouts of today.
What period was this from? WW2, during Yugoslavia or after the fall of Yugoslavia?
@@Moria90 most likely the 90s. There were tons of mines left over from that civil war in the 90s when NATO sent in peacekeeping forces.
@@anthonykaiser974 Makes sense, we in Croatia had a lot of them to deal with as well. Btw, never call Yugoslav wars civil wars in front of Balkan people if you don't want a heated explanation how it was for independence (or preserving Yugoslavia, if you're talking to a Serb) :P
In Kosovo Albanians were not allowed to give birth in the same hospitals as serbs
In fact in some towns and villages serbain soldiers would hide on the mountainside and sniper civilians in the town or shell them. After Bosnia i woukd say Kosovo was the worst affected.
Knowing that there are warriors like Jocko who are willing to die in defense of Western values, and thinkers like Jordan Peterson who are willing to articulate their importance to the layman gives me tremendous peace.
They are both risking their lives. The truth is being outlawed by big tech.
Unfortunately, Peterson lacks the vision to make the connection to current events, made evident by his decision to line up for an experimental medical procedure. How can someone so well versed in the evils and atrocities of human history not make the connection? If you're in it even the most learned can miss the forest for the trees. Requires outside perspective.
Western Values? American military is a defense contractor for Israel, quite the opposite. Read Nietzsche, not this bs
@@craigmathis5856 Remind me where Nietzsche wrote about the American military doing defense contracting with Israel. Also, try not to be a nihilistic prick.
@@craigmathis5856 Nietzche is a goofball. Ill listen to these guys over a man who ended up in a mental hospital.
Saving western civillization one lobster at a time👌👍
Define lobster
noun
1. a large marine crustacean with a cylindrical body, stalked eyes, and the first of its five pairs of limbs modified as pincers.
And they have a hierarchy
@@derekfurreal6784 roughly speaking
Go clean the belly of your father
I’m a simple man, when I see jocks and Peterson in the title, I thumbs up before the ad is done...
Truth.
A Grizzled Veteran Warrior-Poet, and a Wise Worldly profound Scholar...
Truly we live in fortunate times to see such wondrous repeating of the timeless meetings.
Both fortunate and tumultuous times ..
I didn’t see John Lovell here.
yea poet, podcast ... close enough ...
@@stephenj2186 yup sounds like Planet Earth welcome to it
One positive of 2020 for me was discovering these 2 great men
If I get married JP will have full privileges in my home, I will not hide my wife from such a marvel! Someone needs to make this man a crown of diamonds and take pictures of him with it on for GQ! Yes yes it will be most marvelous its time he was photoed in a crown you see!
Every person in the western world should listen to this conversation and PAY attention.
While you still can.
Yes! My emperor!
Thanks Emperor Aurelius!
It's getting harder! Too much distractions and short attention spaaaa
Why specifically the western world?
Newbport I think it’s because the values and ethic that hold the west up are under attack. The culture is showing all the signs of early ussr and maoist doctrine. Kangaroo courts, citizen mob justice. Etc.
I watched all three of these Jocko/Peterson podcasts consecutively over the last week or so. both of these men come from very different back grounds, but have basically came to the same moral conclusions about life. When a really smart tough guy and a really tough smart guy come together to brainstorm!!!!!!!!!!! chilling, thrilling, life changing!!!!!
And these men were not needed for us to know what’s happening. At least for now, the books explain it all for those who are not aware.
@@chitterlingsrtasty We need Men like these Men who Speak Up and use their Voice as a Platform to confront what’s going on in America /World these days.
it's so cool to see the warrior and the professor profoundly connect
There's dragons that need slaying? GOOD.
You're a castrated Monk who's wanting his genitals back? GOOD. Gio get your genitals back. Be a man! When you finally get them back sew them back on! That's what men do! .... Jesus Jocko started off rough there Jesus Jesus jocko jocko
"Get some"
JP always causes controversy when he's interviewed, but not here, Snowflakes don't watch Jocko's podcast. 💪
Macedonian Content Farmers Roger that.
It's too bad they don't, maybe, they could learn something.
@@jonduvall2135 very true.
Any snowflake that watches a Jocko video turns into an ice giant.
Hahha. Good call
Time is the most valuable asset that you have and two hours of listening to JP and Jocko is one of the highest return on assets that you can experience!
Merry Christmas everyone!
Yes!
I’ve recently realized time is NOT the most valuable asset. Character is. Spending serious time and effort developing strong character will change the course of your life.
100% agree
@@adamb8317 you say that time is not the most valuable, character is, then mention spending “time” to build character , how you spend your time is very important
@Adam B so time still is because as you just said you need to spend time before you get the good character
Started watching this eating pizza.
I did not finish it.
The pizza or the podcast?
@@christopherbiondi7397 Yes.
“Yes” 😂
I love pizza too much I couldn't stop, even when listening about how a woman had her fatty parts cannibalized.
I slowed my eating but kept eating.
Thank goodness for Jocko and Peterson and their work toward uncoddling of the American mind
acidraindrops27 wouldn’t say the american mind only, bro
@@matheusaguiar2736 yeah. The western mind more specifically.
Of course, it applies everywhere. But the soviets really did some work on destroying the West.
They are helping the world. I'm Australian and watching and listening to these Men have changed my life. Thank you from Australia!
Jocko, please make Peterson a monthly appearance. He drives home all of your real world experiences from a psychological/historical/religious context that is so enlightening and addicting. I know he's a busy guy, but I'm sure you could make him an offer he couldn't refuse
FUCK YEAH!!!
I'm not sure if that's even possible with their schedules lol
Joe T lol. “Make Peterson......” sure, those that sub and love Jocko are here because we admire his remarkable makeup, but on a broader scale, Dr Peterson is the most consequential thinker that’s been born in the last 50 years. He’s a world wide icon now. Not to mention between his Patreon and his trans continental tour, is making $50 million a year (every penny deserved). In other words, he’s doing Jocko a favor being on the podcast. Be grateful he’s appeared frequently.
Yes, fucking yes to this!
Unrealistic, but I second that notion.
God damn, what an intro, sheesh...
Frank Jesus Christ! I’m half way through the Gulag Archipelago, and it’s nowhere near that graphic!
Jocko does this a lot. It's always something insane and disturbing. This guy could read books for a damned living.
I thought the same thing and then when Peterson was like “that was a rough start” I just busted out laughing. I was so captivated and grossed out by that intro.
615kane I’m aware, the Gulag gets all the hype but that other books sounds intense as fuck!
Daily reminder that socialism always ends in starvation and genocide.
I like how jocko begin every podcast by reading a excerpt that perfectly sets the tone for a podcast. It’s unique
I REALLY enjoy that Jocko has the patience to wait for his guest to finish a lengthy idea. Too many podcasters will interject, because they have an idea and want to share it. Very respectful.
JOCKO PLEASE WE WANT AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVID GOGGINS
From what I understand, seals aren't very fond of Goggins. But then again, what the fuck do I know I'm not a seal.
@Definitely Not A Russian Bot samee bruh that shit wud be epic
Goggins talked on JRE about how the "community" doesn't like him because he was never a team player in the field.
Goggins talks _a lot_ about Hell Week. Jocko talks about how Hell Week was a joke, and that people that constantly harp about Hell Week probably are too [more or less: not a direct quote from Jocko, but if you listen to a lot of his Q & A regarding Hell Week, you're aware of his feelings about it. He found it extremely easy and said it's a joke compared to other training they do. If I remember right, I think he said workups were way harder than BUD/S / Hell Week].
Have you heard Goggins talk about his reputation in the Teams? He was apparently extremely polarizing. A lot of Jocko's lessons explicitly talk about not being polarizing.
In a Facebook or Instagram live, he [Jocko] said something along the lines of, "Goggins is a great athlete, and he had a life-story interview with Rogan, so I don't think there's anything to talk about." Not an exact quote, but that's its essence.
Jocko is aware of David Goggins-I _guarantee_ there's more to why he hasn't had him on. Maybe it's related to Goggins' Teams reputation.
Another awesome guest would be Pat McNamara, or get Big Tony back on!
Rajiv Supra I know right
Wish you guys had more time to talk
I remember a time when the notion of sitting around on a Friday night listening to a couple of guys talk about history and literature was unconsciounable. Hell man, I got the popcorn ready and the lights dimmed down. Let’s roll!
This is better than any bullshit movie. This is reality and it is comprehensibly important to listen to stuff like this.
50:35 - 53:50
Jordan peterson had me so captivated in his explanation here, and made me get what he was saying so perfectly. You can see why he is truly suited to the profession of a teacher/lecturer
and that 3:15 narrative gets repeated over and over results .. Occupy tent cities, Antifa crowds form, the likes of Sanders and Warren rise...
Ikr I'm often entranced by him when he gets going. I've never encountered another speaker who makes me feel quite like that
🌊 ＧＥＴ ＡＦＴＥＲ ＩＴ ＢＵＣＫＯＳ 🌊
Wassup akira
Gaining clout with A K I R A
Love me some Akira The Don
Boss
He's got clout!! Kill it Akira!!
why isn't this popping in feeds on it's own but needs to be searched.
i had to search too and anything with JP should come up right away
Subscribe. You get a notification.
Popped into my feed this morning.
Amazes me the garbage with similar view counts that pop up in trending
Popped in my feed and I don't even subscribe.
Although the topics discussed here are similar to many of Peterson's discussions, Jocko is able to draw out new lines of thinking and get deeper into Jordan's head space than most of Peterson's interviewers or interlocutors. Jordan brings out the best of Jocko, too.
One thing that makes this conversation great is that they have such different backgrounds but they are both intellectually rigorous and their goals are incredibly closely aligned; so we get a mind-meld that is very interesting and satisfying to watch.
Excellently put.
it’s crazy to see both of my internet dads talking to eachother
Stand by to get some (knowledge).
jp would say (wisdom).
Lol, the word which suddenly has new meaning
Oh wow. I JUST finished re-listening to their prior two podcasts. Part 3 coming up!
Oh wow. Idgaf
@@behindthen0thing thanks for taking the time to comment though! :D God bless!
Extremely important and relevant discussion at the end of 2020
I know it doesnt seem like much, but the fact this episode has 400k views, and not 7 thousand as I expected given the brilliance of the content, is satisfying enough for me.
Thank you for inviting JP again.
The Gulag Archipelago should be required reading in high school.
Cannot agree more. It would really help society appreciate the present.
Well we read:
Animal farm- George Orwell
Night- Elie Wiesel
Night is quite disturbing but definitely not like Gulag Archipelago seems to be
I read animal farm and night. animal farm was a great read but seems pretty entry level for books about the rationale behind the 20th century catastrophes, night was a simple retelling of the Nazi camps and a religious man trying to understand why god would let that happen. I really want to read Ordinary men, the gulag archipelago, man's search for meaning, Faust, 1984, and probably 200 hundred more excellent reads by great authors
But then how would they achieve their terrible goals?
Support comment for algorithm. I want a 4th part of this.
We need more discussions like this now more than ever. We’re nosediving right into the dreadful territory.
just doing a little work, put a little podcast on in the background
"...the dead were piling up"
oh
Jocko showing just how intellectual he is here. My expectations were high for this podcast, I was certainly not disappointed.
It’s May 2021 when I’m listening to.... and this is more relevant than ever to America as it stands right now
Absolutely it just goes to show what happens when corruption stops feigning to care and pulls back the curtain to be obnoxiously in the public face, totally unchecked or even openly supported by those who could care less about empirical & historical facts, regardless of sociopolitical or legal norms while the public outcry reaches a fevered pitch.
"That was a rough beginning Jocko". Understatement of the century.
Thomas Jefferson said “in matters of style swim with the current, in matters of principle stand like a rock” so yeah. Our founders knew what they were doing. Long live freedom, long live liberty and long live the Republic!
Antiluminati 1776 Fuck yes.
Your founding fathers were evil slave owners
Juan Carlos Angulo and your founding fathers got conquered. I know who I’d pick in a fight.
@@berrtusmaximus5212 the slave owners? Nice virtue.
ThePeanutButterCup13 yeah yeah yeah boohoo. I’m not going to feel guilty that my ancestors conquered weaker people’s and established the modern world.
Slavery is over in the US. Why don’t you go bitch at India or Africa? You know....the places where they still have slaves....
Jocko and Jordan. A duo as timeless as Cheetos and coca-cola.
No offense, but I think they are literally the exact opposite of that
Especially Cheetos with hot sauce and lime juice
no cheetos and coke here
This is Jocko's podcast. You mean organ meat and kale. Followed by a ten mile run because don't be a pussy.
STEAK AND MOLK BRO
Wish I could've had one of these guys as an NCO or a Professor.
if you want to know who controls you, OBSERVE those you can not criticize. VOLTAIRE.
LOL what! - you do realize that quote is actually from Kevin Strom, who is a neo-nazi, white supremacist and Holocaust denier right? - considering that it's misattributed to Voltaire (via memes) AND you posted it on this particular video made me chuckle.
Exactly! We need to stand up to those damn kids with leukemia!
I would give you the nice like, but this is so overused.
Truth Untruth That’s not a Voltaire quote, pal...
dilanka Tacitus...
1:20:15
"You don't want to surround yourself with a "yes man - person" when you are in a leadership position. You also don't want to be your own personal "yes man" that just thinks that you're great and agrees with everything you're doing and won't tell yourself the hard truth. You can't lie to yourself." - Jocko Willink.
So good way of putting the "you should feel good about yourself, you are perfect just the way you are mantra" to a halt.
Wow the universe lined up because I listened to the other 2 episodes with you and JP yesterday and boom part three is out, Thanks for being a beast y'all two! I worked out hard today, cleaned my room, and ate badass. God bless.
Love it when that happens
Hell yea. Hope you’re still grinding, I know I am.
How do I learn to articulate my thoughts like Jordan Peterson?
S Mohan Read good book and write. Write about what you’ve read. Review you sentences and improve them.
I shall do that.
S Mohan be Born with a stratospheric IQ over 180, just to start.
Listening to him for hours and hours has truly improved my vocabulary and my ability to express myself. I noticed this at my last contentious discussion. Surprised myself.
Read:
"How to Articulate your thoughts"
by Jordan Peterson
God Jordan Peterson and Jocko are by far some of my absolute top role models. It's such a pleasure to have them in one room. Could listen for hours and hours
I love how every time Jocko opens up with a story/reading something of importance and impact. It's really cool, unique and a great opener.
Geez this podcast is so good. Well done guys
My soul needed this today, thank you Jocko & Jordan
Carolyn Davy same! Autocorrect kept trying to change same to dame! I’m glad I noticed it! Would definitely have felt creepy otherwise!
As a former Communist, former member of Communist Party of Canada... The amount of pure ignorance I had as a teen up till I was 20. I always thought I'd be a benevolent leader, I would do this right because I'm a righteous person.
How naive I was, glad I found JP when I did and others such as Dave Rubin and Sargon of Akkad. Reading of Voltaire, Gulag Archipelago, John Locke and such.
Hey there. We're happy you recovered! But as JP says, it's up to us to change the world and stabilize the state. Canada has a long way to go since we started down this path in 2015!
These 2 men need to run for office, Jordan; PM of Canada. Jocko, president of USA.
I'd vote for him
I wouldn't wish the oval office on my worst enemy. It is a fate worse then death.
Willink and Peterson
These two guys are what’s needed
#upbeforetheenemy
🇺🇸🏴💯💪
I have to say that of all the recurrent people in the Jordan Peterson universe, the Jocko discussions are among the most intense. Very pleasurable and very practical.
Truly enjoyed this one. Thanks!
[edit:] .. and this one made me a subscriber.
Love listening to these two! I swear, the world needs to hear them.
Please keep this series going. I don't get tired of listening to these guys
It’s really scary that we had our own little taste of this when people would call the police on their neighbors for breaking lockdown rules during the pandemic. And what’s even scarier is that I don’t feel like anybody realized just what that leads to.
Thank you for this vital interview. It gave me the courage finally to purchase Gulag Archipelago. I have listened to Dr. Peterson talk about it often, and I recall one time he said something like "By the way I don't recommend it," referring to how grueling the read is. I have been afraid to confront the information it delivers, because I was never sure I had the courage to face it and not collapse into despair. But now I know I must.
One of the best, much appreciated. Especially in the middle parts, unbelievably insightful
They got great chemistry that makes this discussion especially lively
Two of the best voices on podcast ! Looking forward to reading the book.
Hey dude what's the book called at the end that Dr. Peterson was talking about @ 1:32:55
Dr. Peterson reading the abridged Gulag Archipelago? Take my money!
These two really need a show together. They compliment each other so well.
Ive put off watching this podcast for a while but im hooked now. Amazing content
Peterson is likely the GREATEST Philosopher of our time! Always a DELIGHT Getting to listen n ponder everything he discusses.
At least approaching the level of Eric Weinstein
Wow.. I have been in a bit of a struggle with one of my older managers and now a new director in our organization. This podcast has given me a new direction to head in to protect my frontline guys and myself! Thank you gentlemen for sharing valuable information like this!
This is my first of your podcasts sir, and I'd like to say, this is amazing. You now have a new subscriber and I'll be consuming all of this podcast. Thank you for your amazing work, and please keep up the awesome.
I've never rewinded a video as many times as this one. Great books. Great podcast
Good evening, Ech... Jordan.
I actually laughed.
@@valentincheval3878 me too😁
Where is echo?!
Davi Mourão mzx
Jocko, Goggins and JP.
Make it happen now, Echo!!!
Podcast like that will turn out to be the navy seal of all podcasts, ultra marathon of all podcast 10hrs long, GO GO GO!!!
Whos bilbo scroggins?
@shugo104 sure kid, nice try.
the thought of that gets you hard huh?
There is this weird need for people to choose sides..especially when dealing with people greater than them...such a feminine trait
Two brilliant men, a privilege to listen to this conversation!
That fact that content like this is free blows my mind.
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson. No other words needed.
Finally!!!! Instantly like before listening.
Thats a good sheeple.
Awesome podcast Jocko. Happened to discover you today while searching for stories on the gulag. Subscribed which I rarely ever do without thoroughly listening to the creators content but your style resonated with me. I purchased the gulag archipelago with several other books some months ago and as yet haven't read. Bloody excited now to delve into the horrors and as JP has said to do so as the perpetrator. Never thought to think that way. Thanks man
Been a fan of both of these men for years and I’m damn happy these podcast will be around forever. The people need to hear them
JP drinking game, take a shot every time he says proclivity.
Nah, I have the proclivity to drink as well as a proclivity to binge drink once I start drinking. Also...... Proclivity.
@Adam Furman lololol... You almost runed me from making me laugh so god damn hard.
@Adam Furman the devil is in the details
Or distribution
Heyyyyyy eaaaasy... Hermit the frog has the proclivity to have feelings.
Next time Jordan is on it’d be cool to have questions submitted by listeners so the conversation can target more specific situations. Anyways great podcast regardless!
Two of my favourite speakers and thinkers together. Please gentlemen, continue the way you do!
My first podcast, Jocko, and I walk away better, smarter, more humble, and testing my parameters.
Thnak you for a gripping interview. Gulag is on my list.
Keep it up , i will try to keep up too.
So excited!!
I love Jocko let's the man speak. No interruptions, just respect.
That intro about the girl being tied up cut up, and the guy returning, is heart wrenching.
This, in my opinion, is easily in the top 10, maybe even top 5 most powerful podcasts/discussions that JBP and Jocko have ever done. Every freshman in college should hear this discussion.
i love jocko's beginning words. they just base you back into the pit of hell life can be
Hellish opening! Slide that into the next warrior kid book!
Thank you Jocko, I was hoping you would do one more with Dr. Jordan Peterson. This got me exited! Okay, I'm listening now.
thanks for the leadership and sense of being responsible that you share with us, Jocko and Echo! we need more of this in this world
Listening while cleaning my room
Good.
Great conversation and perspectives. Actually read day in the life of Ivan Denisovich as a junior high student - will have to check out Gulag archipelago.
This is fire. Watch again from time to time to remind myself
I truly enjoy when Dr. Peterson and you get together. You two communicate so well. Kindred spirits? Soul brothers? Something. It just works. Glad that Echo Charles got in there on the last quarter. If Dr. Peterson does the audiobook of "The Gulag Archipelago", Jocko, you should do the foreword. That would be EPIC. Carry on, gentlemen.
Needs another two hours
"These people... there only as good as the world allows them to be, youll see ill show ya, when the chips are down, these civilized people....they'll eat each other..."
What a great interview! Jocko and Jordan are two of the most deeply self-examining minds on the planet!
Best interview I’ve watched in years.