Smartphones Killed Budget Cameras: Is Micro Four Thirds Next?
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- Smartphones are slowly killing off more and more categories of cameras. The point and shoot was first. 1 inch sensors can barely keep up. Are professional mirrorless systems next? The smallest sensors are micro four thirds, are these the next to fall? M4/3 first then are smartphones gunning for aps-c and full frame through A.I and computational photography? Let's do some comparisons with smartphones super slow mo 960fps, 1920fps and 7680fps vs mirrorless cameras in 4k 24p and HD 120p.
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When I got my iPhone 13 pro last year I immediately set out to compare it to my Canon R6 so I could prove to my peers (barbers and hairdressers taking haircut photos for Instagram) that the iPhone wasn’t ALL THAT and they’d still benefit from a fancy camera. By the end of my comparisons I put my RF 24-70 F2.8 on eBay. Now I pretty much grab my camera when I need flash or 85 to 135mm, but my damned phone has actually replaced my “real camera” for half of what I do with a camera, and not a damned soul noticed the difference. I don’t know if I’m happy or sad about it. I see the difference, but the average person doesn’t seem to 😔
Still falls short in low light but with lights as you said should take care of that , i still think camera better phones still have the digital compression.
Smartphone blur is like everything being very slightly on fire
Can they build phones with lens equivalents of an 300mm F/4.0 mounted on a m4/3 cameras or 100-400mm ?
They can't build this. Actually they can't offer many things : ergonomy, external flash, viewfinder, aperture control, excelent focus system, a larger range of focal lengths, lens with good glass, dedicated photo functions like "highlights clipping"...etc As soon as you start using the phone for serious things, you find a lot of limitations and realize that it can't replace a dedicated photo system.
Does that lense fit in the pocket?
Also phones have laser autofocus bruh
They can focus in no light
It was easy for smart phones to replace point and shoots. Point and shoots were only for capturing moments - no need to educate yourself on ISO, lens changing etc..
But 4/3rds , apsc etc. are cameras bought by people who want to change lenses, have more control. They won't switch to phone so easily.
Except that compacts like Sony RX100 series and Canon G7X have been selling pretty well for quite a few years and popular with bloggers and photo-journalists (as well as mere "amateurs")
Interesting video. It has slowly dawned on me that many people aren't after what looks or sounds "natural". They often seem to prefer something enhanced. With mics, it's the common preference for boosted bass and in photos it seems to be excessive sharpness and contrast.
Man, I hate contrast in photos. Whatever comes out of the raw looks like real life, with a lot of subtle tonal and gradient changes along surfaces. It's beautiful. I turn the contrast slider up 10% and it stops looking real anymore. A bit of added sharpness in the eyes I don't mind
@@bluecollar8525
I think this opposite. Contrast makes photos interesting but it should be natural, not enhanced. Also way too much sharpening makes it ugly.
When shooting photos, to get best quality it actually need sharpening on two phases. Sharpening on the captured material, and after cropping/scaling etc. need sharpening to optimize for viewing conditions.
Video is different as videocompression isn't that good if material has sharpening. In youtube it causes ugly compression artefacts.
Do u mean over saturation and artificially boosted dynamic range? Bcoz smartphone pics don't have contrast, it just look plain and boring. contrast ,infact is the attribute of superior optics so more is better. it also add “depth" in the subject and make it more interesting.
Smartphones killed budget cameras because they offered results that were 'good enough'. Eons ago, people hung on to their simple Kodak Brownie cameras for a long time for pretty much the same reason. As the saying goes, 'good is the enemy of perfect'.
I doubt M43 cameras will be supplanted by smartphones anytime soon. Absent computational photography tricks, smart phones are pushing the limits of physics with their tiny lenses, sensors and limited dynamic range.
When smartphone makers find a way to put in much larger sensors and lenses that don't add any bulk to the body of the phone, then and only then will traditional camera makers have anything to worry about. I think we'll be in for a long wait on that score, because some kind of truly revolutionary lens technology that overcomes the laws of physics will have to be invented first.
Personally, I find smartphone camera interfaces are clumsy and hard to work with. Give me tactile dials and knobs any day.
The old French saying is actually "le mieux est l'ennemi du bien" - "better is the enemy of good" but your interpretation is certainly true and more accurate in this context.
Entry level cameras are dying bcoz they are bulky and hard to use. Not to mention cost suddenly shoots up as u move to the better glasses which are more expensive than the body itself.
You're becoming the Bob Ross of wildlife videography. Very awesome. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I own FF (Sony), M43 (Oly and Pana) and a samsung note smartphone, but i just love shooting with the M43 system. It just feels great and it's fun to use, i really enjoy it. I use FF only for really low light stuff and practically never use the smartphone because of what you just mentioned...it's not good enough.
Every iPhone release all the youtubers are like "OMG it's so amazing" but then you look at the footage they're showing and it looks so oversharpened and ridiculously artifact-y.
How it is fun to use? 😅
Great video Kasey. I just got an iPhone 14 Pro last week. Just in time to record a conference in LA. I took video and stills with the 14 Pro and my A7C with the Sigma Art 24-70 and at times, the iPhone was not in the same league, low-light (which was basically every indoor shot because the lights were not bright), outdoor shots of people (the Sony just had that pro look), landscape detail. The iPhone does a great job on people and nature when you are relatively close-in some cases no one will know that it's a smartphone. The one thing that knocks it out of the park for the iPhone is the walk and talk video. The stabe is phenomenal (I have a gimbal for the Sony but there's no way I'm brining it on a plane in its own friggin case), the colours are great, the detail is very close to the Sony. In the end, it's best to know when to use each one and to have both with you.
I agree with you about the Japanese camera companies. I used to teach business English in Japan at a huge company there and the actual engineers who designed the smartphones almost all had iPhones. Japanese companies are extremely slow to change.
Make a ZV-E10-like camera with Olympus stabe. Make a killer light-weight long zoom lens. Have 6K video with high bitrates, 4K 120, 4K 240, 2.7K 700, forget about slow mo in HD it sucks. Make the menus user friendly and use computational photography to allow a choice of colour science and more dynamic range. Make it at least 10bit video. Price it at $2500USD. They could do it but it will cannibalize sales of the high end cameras like the A7S3 and the Canon R5, the higher-profit models.
All of that tame wildlife is incredible. I cant wait to see what awesome video you create there. It looks like a great testing ground for features like the eye autofocus.
Your rodent cam is mesmerizing. Smart phones have some nice computational tricks; but they'll never replace real cameras for those who know what they're doing.
M43 is a great system, because it allows people to make "micro four thirds is dead" videos every year :D
Top Job. Loved the comparison with the birds, amazing what you can record so quickly with a phone..Use mine for many videos,, Personally I love my MFT, just got a 90D and love it.. Upgrade from 200D.. Such clarity compared to a smartphone. Been watching for a while learn heaps from your videos. Cheers from West Australia Where we have no squirrels :) But we have Quokkas :)
The footage of the wildlife is so cool and amazing. Amazed how close they got to you. Saving this video.
Man that slow mo bird shot was amazing !!
I’m enjoying learning and being entertained by you even more so since you started doing more wildlife videos. I find myself, as an Olympus shooter for events as well as nature trying more video but also liking the convenience of the iPhone 14. That little Huwei or however it’s spelled is cool though.
Hahaha your observations about the ducks and chipmunks had me dead lol
Hahah lol 😂😂😂😂.
I died at the husky dog face session 😂😂. This is why i love your channel man, great content!!!! Keep up the awesome content and don’t change . 👍👍
Your comparisons are SMART...!!!
Fun and amazing video clips!
Kasey is risking his life, his arm and leg for these glorious shots. Imagine these rabid birds could swarm him and pick his bones clean!
An excellent video with astute observations 🧐
seeing those ducks, chipmunks and squirrels "fighting" for food in slow motion is kinda therapeutic ngl.
I bought a new phone yesterday
Why did you conspire with big phone industry to give me buyers remorse? You were supposed to expose the conspirators, not join them!
You earned that subscribe, my dude. Well done.
High-end phones are good enough for Instagram, but you simply can't compare the dynamic range, toneh, micro-contrast, noise, etc. Cameras are still cameras, wouldn't trade my cameras for a phone even though I love having a decent camera phone on me all the time.
Hello,, love this video,, all that slo mo with the animals, impresionante!!
All i have is a Gro pro 10, and i phone 12, do walking videos, i had a canon m 50 with a gimble and sold everything, to heavy,,
Thank you for your good work,, take care ✌🏼
Hahaha I love your separate tangents. I am constantly learning and laughing with your videos. Thank you.
I know that you have reviewed in the past Sony RX100 and I believe that the RX100 Mark 7 has a zoom range of 24 to 200 mm equivalent I'm curious what your thoughts are on this camera for the price given the frame rates available. I also have Samsung s22 Ultra that shoots some pretty crazy slow motion not exactly sure of the frame rate but it is for a very short burst. That said I have to applaud this footage is amazing. I really need to get out more in nature, I find it incredibly therapeutic
An honest comparison. Well done!
The Sony RX-10 is the bridge camera line that will never die!
The RX10-IV is old enough to go to school.
You hope will never die .
If they ever make one the RX10 mkV could be killer with the features Sony have included in other cameras since then (flip screen animal eye tracking etc.). Still waiting…..
Out of all phone cameras I've seen, I think Sony Xperia is the only one that doesn't give oversaturated, over-sharpened craps. Sadly that's one of the main reasons typical phone crowds don't like it. They hate it when they can't have candy pop color in their photos.
Yeah it wouldn’t be because of it overheating or buggy software.
Awesome footage!
Great video thanks
Is the Olly 40-150mm f2.8 any good for wildlife on the EM1 3?
It is possible to get the combo used in mint condition for less than £1500.
pls review the Hasselblad X2D 100C... is that for photography rather than a cinematic camera? thanks
The camera manufactures today are only concerned about cramming as many megapixels as they can on the sensors. It is so stupid. 40mp on Fuji looks like trash. It has worse dynamic range, tonality, and noise performance than their old sensors. And the video quality at slower frame rates looks worse too. When you have to pixel peep side by side at 200% or more, using the sharpest lenses, and shooting at base iso to see a barely perceivable difference I don't think we can call that a win.
Na. If you compare smart phones to Gopros, they are very comparable. But Action Cameras still exist because they do something you don't want to use your smart phone for. All the smart phone does is its slowly replacing Editing Techniques.
Most Amateur Photographers that I have talked to that have spent 1000's of dollars on their cameras and lens but still have lack luster photos is because none of them want to spend any time playing with editing software. Most people in general, editors alike, dread some of the time it takes to properly edit photos. So there is an incentive for a tool to do this automatically even if its not perfect. Most people don't want to learn photography with their Smart Phone. They just want to take a picture or video of whatever is in front of them. They, and everyone else that watches Smart Phone content accept the Cons of smart phones and take it for what it is. A smartphones will never replace the Professionals that will do Editing can achieve things beyond what an algorithm could do.
What a Smart Phone can do is make more Story Tellers. That is where the value is. Great Story told on a phone is better then a Bad Story told on something else.
Bravo. Solid, intelligent and insightful points.
Why can't we talk to our cameras? "f8, 1/1000, white balance cloudy, single focus, continuous" or "preset 3" and camera responds accordingly.
Ok, subscribed. Finally a guerilla on smarties. Well done.
Wow amazing bird video!! All you need to do now is find a way to connect your 200-600mm to the P40 and bingo!
It wasn't so much that they could take the picture, but that they could share it IMMEDIATELY which killed any pocketable camera, and the fact that any effects or manipulations didn't have to look professionally executed but could look like hammered dog s**t and be acceptable by the crowd. But your not going to shoot any wildlife like Peter Delaney with your smartphone either. Access to the file, in full resolution, now and forever (along with copyright) is a determinative factor for me. Apple's iPhone backup became a nogo for me the first time I used it.
You mean they could screenshot their horizontal photo in portrait orientation and share THAT.
i disagree. I think what killed point and shoot was the flagship phones with F1.6 lenses, IBIS, and built in processing / cropping. This allowed people to take usable pictures indoors. Most of the people i know with a point and shoot couldnt get it to take a good picture because the lens was F4.5-F5.6 or so.
The birds were great...I saw the vast differences coming but wow the camera was so much worse than the phone than I expected LOL
Camera companies will strike back with camera's which can be also used to make a telephone call, check your mail and edit your squirrel instagram account.
videos like this is why im still subscribed!
Man why you got that Olympus tune to where it washes you out
Just thinking back to that time I tried to make my s22 ultra blur the background and it did the foreground instead.
great video Kasey! I loved how you put the thoughts together in this one, and I died hearing the zoo comment, my wife asked me what I was watching, she already knew tho haha
When I had my Pixel 2XL, I used a Moment 58mm lens on it and got some nice looking images. Hmmmm.....maybe some Kaizen will take care of your needs? :-) Have a great weekend.
Need to get a GoPro 11 Cinematic 5.3K 60 + 2.7K 240 video! All I want is the perfect smartphone? UGH....NOOOooooooo! ;). always entertaining and yeah some of the footage is magical!
I feel like the future will be defined by hybrids like the Sony Xperia Pro-I with 1" sensors and they will figure a way to have interchangeable lenses, and that will kill mid-range cameras.
What Canon/Sony/Nikon needs is to keep their cameras like they are now BUT to enhance their capabilities thru really good direct connection to any smartphone app, like, I wish I could USB connect my camera to my phone and use the camera sensor lens but with my phone apps
So you mean a camera that can run apps like a phone / a phone that can have lenses like a camera.
Yeah i can see that happening 10-20 years from now.
@@notacloutchaser7407 exactly, they have the technology to do this now but somehow they refuse to embrace the change.
You have become an accomplished wildlife videographer. IMO. Quote me on that. Duck footage fits the bill!
Yes you have a point. Camera companies make a hard to use, humourless product that is good - takes nice photographs and footage, but they are stuck in 2003 - what about some fun apps that can get kids into photography, share your photo on instagram, do some funky edits and toon me stuff? It's just so clunky and serious...Like you say, not really fun to use...
Go test and Xperia out. The main camera over the last couple of versions of the Xperia 1 and the Xperia 5 haven't changed much over the years so you can grab like a 1iii or a 5iii for pretty cheap and the main cam is almost the same if not the same as the current versions.
Me go home... Classic Kasey moment! :)
Mind blowing slow mo.. Is the output from the phone 720P like I read or full HD?
1920fps and up is 720p.
Well said and what you say is so very true and looks like the future. I'm always going to be into point and shoot cameras 📷. Funny ending 🤣.
whats your opinion on professional cameras running an Android/iOS based operating system? A direction you can see happening or something that will never take off as past attempts haven't been too successful as those who tried either never really marketed it well or tried to do too much, leaving potential users confused
I could see that happening. If Samsung and Huawei decide to dive into this market.
Continue to use your M43 if you own one but not too sure about investing in a newer system when there are full frame cameras at the same price
just take 120fps footage and throw it in Resolve 18 and do optical flow slo mo (or use topaz). It would looke great ! sure some things like insect wings etc would not be super realistic but it's really good with normal motion.
Wow those super slow mos were amazing.
I bet most smart phone users don't know they can even do this.
But as you say the camera companies are way behind.
Thom is always saying this for other reasons
I noticed my S21 ultra photos and videos are almost the same with my Canon 80d, m50, g7x and gopro hero 8. I sold all my gears now and just always had my phone with me which I used for vlogging. My friends never even noticed I am just using a smartphone now.
motioncam will help you get rid of the extra contrast and add tons of details, at the cost of massive raw video file size on a external usb ssd
My olympus pm1 mark to just failed out of nowhere. Hardly uses it. It was a back up. Seems the hardware is failing. No response on any buttons. At least olympus has a flat rate on fixing them..
300 bucks and that's less than a iPhone repair most times at this point
I watched this video on a 27 inch monitor so of course the drawbacks of the phone shots were obvious. However, most people look at their pictures on a phone screen too, and the bright saturated over-sharpened images are exactly what these people like, especially when viewing them outside. And, if you take your photos on a $5,000 full frame camera and spend an hour editing them, then still most people will view them on a phone screen. Yes, probably with the phone held in portrait mode so your photo is less than 3 inches wide. That's the way of the world.
Yeah, I think micro 4/3 is in the best position for doing the fun stuff like smart phones because the small sensor gives them the fastest potential read out. Smart phones keep improving but physics is on the side of a bigger sensor. Squeeze them together and we might get the Reese’s peanut butter cup of photography/videography. One device to rule them all.
Samsung GC200, Sony Q1, and Olympus Air all deserve another run.
Problem is I don’t see any way a m4/3 sensor can ever fit with a smartphone without being really annoying. U can probably have a nice flat phone with a m4/3 sensor but then the lens would be a trash f/10 or something tiny.
@@thatsreallyamoon I mean the lens is already like f12 or 16 on these smartphones
@@nickguzman1734 lens is 1.8-2.8 on many smartphones
@@m11kan No they aren't, it's f2.8 for that sensor size. The iphone has a crop factor of 5.62, so f2.8 on that sensor is 2.8 x 5.62 = 15 on full frame.
@@sythanh14 If speaking only about aperture it is what it is. Full frame 2.8 is 2.8 and M4/3 2.8 is 2.8. They are what they are you can't deny that. Crop factor is different story and how much light (or darkness) can sensor handle before you can see it. Of course full frame is always better i'm not denying that but there are very good small sensors that are pretty good as well.
Fight the good fight on the slo mo.
My 12+ years old Casio Exilim point & shoot did 1000fps back in days 😊
Phony Toneh will never take my M43 camera away!
0:20 nice one!
I record my entire CZcams channel using smart phones and for the most part they're fantastic. And your channel was one of my inspirations for getting started... so thanks man 👍
I'm gonna go watch you now!
@@peterat100 Cheers Peter! May not be your kind of channel mate but hopefully you like it. I just use Samsung S8 mobile phones to film it.
If camera companies all close down, you can change your name to David Atttenborough and carry on
Love your love for birds and squirrels. You’re a cutie 😊👍❤️
You sir are a hilarious narrator :-D Thanks for this!
Speaking of Kaizan, check out the new update Fuji pushed out for AF/MF with video....
at 7:59 - wow would you look at that, that is truly awesome and beautiful
The bottleneck for framerates on cameras seems to be readout from the sensor. For instance the FF imx410 can only achieve over 1000 fps in this awful narrow strip readout mode. The maximum for fhd is 156fps in a line skipped fashion. So if the cameras only offer 240fps, I believe that to be current gen max.
waiting for you to walk through the woods of canada, singing along, surrounded bei birds and chipmunks and all that nature shit and doing a remake of famous disney snow white.
kudos! no toxic bread harm in this vid
Hey man have you checked out Sony's Xperia phones like the 5 III, 1 III, 5 IV and 1 IV? They have Sony's sensors in them and use very little computational photography that makes their image more true to life and they also have a headphone jack, microSD slot, dedicated camera button and Sony's own professional-oriented apps for photo, video and audio which I think you might find interesting to experiment with.
Love the bird shots.
I swear to your god I will send you an iPhone 13 Pro so you can do a proper comparsion vs M43 before i jump into a pool of lukewarm lava
The bigger the sensor is, the slower the readout and the harder it is to do slow motion without extra cooling and processing etc. Like having a CPU on a smaller process node being able to clock higher while not running as hot etc.
Bro what language are you speaking? Google translate not working. I'm interested to see what your message says
It's not wrong however state of the art technology is already capable of doing 4k60 even more on fullframe professional camera for at least 30m before they get hot. For APS-C and M43 it's just gonna go brrrr
I got an expensive phone after watching a whole bunch of phone camera reviews, and I was convinced that it was worth a shot, to wide angle supplement, my mirrorless cameras with the phone.... It's doing a great job for the once a month unwanted food/friend pictures while eating out (truly amazing clean looking faces).... but that's about it :S was not worth it for me... at least it loads apps faster now though... there is that..
Haha, loads apps faster. I'm in the same boat. Just got the 14 Pro. Stick with it and you'll get to know it better. I'm sure you'll find some uses for it.
The bird would be in focus if the aperture would not be so open. So higher aperture, higher shutter speed would set more stuff in the picture to be in focus...
Polaroids we're popular along side pro cameras, then in the 90's it was the disposable camera. They both sucked, but they were fun and convenient. Cell phone cameras usurped both of those features
Sony fx30 using old Fuji sensor?
Cameras need more powerful chips!
Hi Casey, Cort here. We met earlier today.
Hey buddy! Good to meet ya :)
Wait… your fiancé?! Congrats!! Did that happen a long time ago and I never noticed? 😂
Hi Kasey. Just to be sure - I was just contacted by your logistics manager about a Fujifilm promo, is that a legit thing or some camera conspiracy? 😊
Is APS-C next
Is Full frame next
Are movie cameras next
Are Hasselblad Medium format next
Ari Flex and Red cameras
TV studio cameras
CZcams camera channels?
Is there a smartphone as responsive as a camera ? Sitting at a cafe, something happens quickly in front of you, you reach for a camera or a smartphone, which lets you press the shutter quickest ?
A smartphone company needs to buy Olympus and make micro 4/3 cameras with the smartphone tech built in
Excellent review, I saw some really dumb footage on that topic from other CZcamsrs. Smartphone fanboys. Yours is really balanced
Oh lol I hv the same smartphone case (ringke fusion-X) but different phone
‘Fiancée’? In that case I’m just hoping that you run a worldwide competition between YT camera reviewers, photographers, videographers and content creators for the privilege of being appointed your offical wedding photographer & / or videographer.
The catch would be that if they have more subs than you they (1) choose your honeymoon location being their favourite place for content creation, (2) pay for the honeymoon, and (3) accompany you and your fiancée on the honeymoon and take even more photos and vids! 👍
If they apply, here is how things could stack up:
- Marcuspix: Bora Bora
- Philip Bloom: Skiathos Island
- Hugh Brownstone: some back alley in NYC
- Peter Gregg: The Christmas Room
- Christopher Frost: the Samsung Factory in South Korea
- Peter McKinnon: hanging out with Matti Haapoja somewhere
- Matti Haapoja: hanging out with Peter McKinnon somewhere (with Teppo tagging along too)
- Chris and Jordan: hanging out with Chris and Jordan and their wives, kids and extended family, probably in or near Canmore within earshot of a black bear on heat
- Bob Myers (unsung retiree battler demonstrating old dogs can learn new tricks): his studio room with 1047 cameras (he only has only 12,000 subs so might not be in play)
- Gordon Laing: Brighton Palace Peer
- Etc, etc.
LOL, a honeymoon in the Christmas room. We are all such camera nerds because I caught that reference.
Smartphones are amazing with good lighting but it looks they’re about to reach a point where they can’t really get better. The iPhone is just like the old one with more megapixels and the math formula changed a bit too make it seem like a upgrade
Damn. Caught with my pants down at 12:40. That hurts.